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Title: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 19, 2018, 02:25:56 PM
included unlikely outcomes  :P
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: nickagneta on September 19, 2018, 04:03:47 PM
I am very hopeful of Williams becoming a solid NBA starter or better. I am by no means certain he will but I have hope. He definitely has the tools to be really good.

I was very impressed by him his freshman year and thought he might be one of the best players in the NCAA his sophomore year, but playing in a horrid two center system with bad coaching caused him to not develop one bit. He most likely will be brought on slowly with this season dedicated to him learning to be the best defensive player he can be in Stevens' system. So, he probably won't be a starter until his 3rd or 4th year, right around 2022.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: Vermont Green on September 19, 2018, 05:19:19 PM
That is a long time to wait to find out who was right.

My prediction/vote was rotation/starter.  Kind of circa 2012 Larry Sanders.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: Hoopvortex on September 22, 2018, 02:59:35 PM
included unlikely outcomes  :P

I voted, optimistically, for Starter, but Not Playing Professional Ball has a significant chance of happening, too.

I’m not sure that I know which of these outcomes is unlikely.

He’s got a chronic condition an$ it’s not possible to gauge how much it might affect him.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: Ogaju on September 22, 2018, 04:29:30 PM
lol I dont know which is more surprising the two that voted NBA star or the 9 that voted NBA starter.

Oh wait.... question was 2022? Hmmmmm maybe not as laughable as i thought.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: KG Living Legend on September 22, 2018, 05:19:18 PM

 Where is the option for scariest rim protector in th history of Mankind? Or the fastest Rim runner of all time? Or the Easiest person to throw a lob too since Wilt.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: KG Living Legend on September 22, 2018, 05:22:49 PM

 Seriously though don't be surprised if this kids awesome, If there were no red flags he was the 12th rated prospect by some experts.

 We really got hooked up with a lottery talent, it's up to him to seize this golden opportunity he has.
 
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: sdceltsfan on September 22, 2018, 05:44:13 PM
His skill set offers Capela upside as is, if he applies himself and the coaching staff does their job to integrate him. A pg with the passing ability of Kyrie can make a player like him an exceptional rim runner. If he learns the pick and roll, look out. And if he really puts it all together and develops a remotely consistent jumper, I think he has Draymond potential, just not giving off the vibes of the high bball IQ and competitiveness of Green.

Realistically, I think him being the 8th or 9th guy in the rotation and a 8/10/2blk per game player would be awesome.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 15, 2018, 12:36:04 AM
I am hopeful that he will be better than previously overhyped guys like Jordan Bell.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: ozgod on December 15, 2018, 01:20:51 AM
His skill set offers Capela upside as is, if he applies himself and the coaching staff does their job to integrate him. A pg with the passing ability of Kyrie can make a player like him an exceptional rim runner. If he learns the pick and roll, look out. And if he really puts it all together and develops a remotely consistent jumper, I think he has Draymond potential, just not giving off the vibes of the high bball IQ and competitiveness of Green.

Realistically, I think him being the 8th or 9th guy in the rotation and a 8/10/2blk per game player would be awesome.

That's exactly the type of player I was thinking as well. Right now he can't create his own shot or post up but he's been lethal rolling to the rim off pick and rolls. Apparently his focus right now on the offensive end is how to be a better screener because that's how he can immediately contribute. Obviously defensively he's a solid rim protector, just needs to get better when he is switched on quicker, smaller players.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: Kaz on December 15, 2018, 01:36:30 AM
My baseline prediction is a more athletic version of healthy Festus Ezeli - big guy doing big guy things on a 3-chucking team in a situational role.  That probably doesn't sound sexy, but it's how I expect him to progress and such a player would be pretty valuable to the Celtics.

If he becomes the next Capela, awesome, but I'll have to see...
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: PhoSita on December 15, 2018, 02:08:40 AM
On another team, is my prediction.

As for what role, I'm going to say 15-20 minute backup because that's where pretty much all non shooting centers are headed these days.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: gouki88 on December 15, 2018, 02:20:43 AM
On another team, is my prediction.

As for what role, I'm going to say 15-20 minute backup because that's where pretty much all non shooting centers are headed these days.
Except for all the non-shooting big men who are still influential in the league.

Drummond, Gobert, Capela, Whiteside, DeAndre Jordan, Steven Adams & Dwight Howard (this season has been quite a roller coaster for him, but he is still a starter) are all still influential guys with no shooting ability who are big players on their team.

Then there are youngsters like Jarrett Allen, DeAndre Ayton, Mitchell Robinson and our very own TimeLord who all look like they’ll be influential players in the long run. Really not sure where your claim of the extinction of non-shooting big men comes from. Not to mention the growing trend of previously non-shooting big men like Gasol, Aldridge, Lopez & Vucevic developing range.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: Hoopvortex on December 15, 2018, 03:04:36 AM
His upside is higher than Capela’s. He looks like a good, maybe a really good passer, has good feel. A big who can pass out of a roll to the basket is gold.

He’s going to be a badass rebounder on both boards if this keeps up. His block percentage is a ridiculous 13.4%, not including the Atlanta game, where he had five in 16 minutes.  Yes, it’s a small sample size. Does anyone doubt that at least 50% of that is sustainable?

It sounds like he’s a worker and coachable.

A future of starting on a contender is a real possibility.

But I don’t like what I see with his legs - maybe I’m biased because I know he has PAES. There’s a good chance, I call it 33%, that he’s no longer playing in four years.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: mr. dee on December 15, 2018, 05:05:15 AM
He's already much better than both Deandre and Capela when they were rookies. I don't think Capela and DJ have the court vision Timelord has either. The only thing that can hold back his success are injuries and himself.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: playdream on December 15, 2018, 05:28:15 AM
In 2022 he should be better than Capela and D.Jordan by clear margin
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: knuckleballer on December 15, 2018, 05:39:15 AM
He already knows how good he will be in 2022 because Time Lord has already been there.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsbNhSCU0AAggqV.jpg)
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: Green-18 on December 15, 2018, 08:05:47 AM
His skill set offers Capela upside as is, if he applies himself and the coaching staff does their job to integrate him. A pg with the passing ability of Kyrie can make a player like him an exceptional rim runner. If he learns the pick and roll, look out. And if he really puts it all together and develops a remotely consistent jumper, I think he has Draymond potential, just not giving off the vibes of the high bball IQ and competitiveness of Green.

Realistically, I think him being the 8th or 9th guy in the rotation and a 8/10/2blk per game player would be awesome.

That's exactly the type of player I was thinking as well. Right now he can't create his own shot or post up but he's been lethal rolling to the rim off pick and rolls. Apparently his focus right now on the offensive end is how to be a better screener because that's how he can immediately contribute. Obviously defensively he's a solid rim protector, just needs to get better when he is switched on quicker, smaller players.

I completely agree with both of you.  The eye test tells me that Williams is a a more athletic version of Capela.  Sure enough, this appears to be true according to their vertical leap measurements.  Capela registered at 31.5 inches vs Williams at 40 inches.  Capela is a great athlete, whereas the Time Lord falls into freak territory.

I will go out on a limb and say that Williams will be better than Capela and Jordan in 2022.  My reasoning is mostly due to the situation he is in.  Player development is one of Brad Stevens' strongest qualities, and I believe the work ethic of the team will rub off on Williams.

Who really knows though.  Does Williams end up putting in the work for more than the first few seasons, or does he eventually become too comfortable once he establishes himself?  You can't really teach the motivation to be great.   
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: Bobshot on December 19, 2018, 05:02:01 PM
I don't see Williams getting anywhere in Boston with Stevens as the coach. The kid looked great playing 15-20 minutes for a couple of games, blocking a ton of shots.

Then the next game against Detroit, with Horford out, instead of matching him against Drummond, Stevens played him 10 minutes while Drummond was destroying the Celtics. Did I miss something there?

Stevens is going to be around another 6 years--didn't he get a contract extension? So I don't see much future for that kid in Boston.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: PhoSita on December 19, 2018, 05:25:06 PM
On another team, is my prediction.

As for what role, I'm going to say 15-20 minute backup because that's where pretty much all non shooting centers are headed these days.
Except for all the non-shooting big men who are still influential in the league.

Drummond, Gobert, Capela, Whiteside, DeAndre Jordan, Steven Adams & Dwight Howard (this season has been quite a roller coaster for him, but he is still a starter) are all still influential guys with no shooting ability who are big players on their team.

Then there are youngsters like Jarrett Allen, DeAndre Ayton, Mitchell Robinson and our very own TimeLord who all look like they’ll be influential players in the long run. Really not sure where your claim of the extinction of non-shooting big men comes from. Not to mention the growing trend of previously non-shooting big men like Gasol, Aldridge, Lopez & Vucevic developing range.


I didn't say extinction.  If you look at most of these rim-runner / rim-protector type centers, all but the very very best of them are playing 20-28 minutes a night. 

That's not the same thing as being "exctinct," nor is it the same thing as not being important or influential.

A valuable role player that gets 18-24 minutes a game or so --- this seems like a reasonable yet optimistic prediction re: our Celtic from Gallifrey.
Title: Re: Poll Prediction: In September 2022, how good will RWIII be...
Post by: Green-18 on December 19, 2018, 05:27:01 PM
I don't see Williams getting anywhere in Boston with Stevens as the coach. The kid looked great playing 15-20 minutes for a couple of games, blocking a ton of shots.

Then the next game against Detroit, with Horford out, instead of matching him against Drummond, Stevens played him 10 minutes while Drummond was destroying the Celtics. Did I miss something there?

Stevens is going to be around another 6 years--didn't he get a contract extension? So I don't see much future for that kid in Boston.

I don't see how we can come to any conclusions based on a few games in RWIII's rookie season.  Maybe he isn't comfortable enough to execute our offensive sets and/or defensive schemes on a consistent basis.  It's a learning process in Brad's system.  I'm sure he will contribute in certain spots, and look like somewhat of a liability in others. 

We should look no further than Jaylen Brown for an example of a raw prospect in Brad's system.  Jaylen had a 31 game stretch in his rookie year where he only averaged 13 MPG.  Brad often pulled him from the game for missed rotations, regardless of whether or not he made a few shots.