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Title: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 01, 2017, 10:11:37 AM
I think it's time people take notice of this kid.
He's a score first point guard at Oklahoma yet keeps his teammates involved. He's putting up video game numbers.
29 ppg, 4 rbg, almost 9 ast/pg and 2.2 steals. He's shooting 42% from 3.
He dropped 43 on Oregon.
Not a bad start to a freshman campaign.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on December 03, 2017, 10:44:31 AM
Not as athletic the other guys in the lottery, but he does have a Curry-esque game.  Similar build and athleticism.  Not many with that game ever develop, but he's off to a good start.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 03, 2017, 01:59:54 PM
Pretty out of control most of the time.

Some amazing flashes in the vid below v. Oregon, and a VERY Curry-like release on his jumpshot. Clearly an NBA talent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhEZSA7zMNk
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 16, 2017, 06:42:56 PM
Did not expect him to be this good. Literally carrying the team.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: blink on December 16, 2017, 07:01:19 PM
young was pretty unstoppable today against #3 WSU.  he def seems to be a 1 and done player.
crazy 3 point shooting today.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 18, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
This kid is moving up draft boards. The highest I've seen so far is no. 6 on tankathon. He shoots it from anywhere on the floor, averaging 28.8 ppg but also 8.9 apg. Half of his shots are from 3 point land. I think he wants to be the next Steph Curry. Good luck, kid. The only real negative is he turns the ball over about 4 times per game. I don't think he'll be a true point guard. Not that we need him but he's an interesting player to follow.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: TA9 on December 18, 2017, 12:28:05 PM
Jimmer Fredette was also a good scorer literally carrying his team in the NCAA. Let's see how this turns out.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: Big333223 on December 18, 2017, 01:09:38 PM
Pretty out of control most of the time.

Some amazing flashes in the vid below v. Oregon, and a VERY Curry-like release on his jumpshot. Clearly an NBA talent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhEZSA7zMNk
I know nothing about the kid beyond this highlight package and what I just read on nbadraft.net. My first impression is he looks like a raw combination of Curry and Iverson. If he/a good coach can refine that kind of game he could really be something.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 18, 2017, 01:23:52 PM
This kid is as close to Kyrie Irving as I've seen. He's not Curry or Iverson or anyone else.

He is a good-not-great athlete, but he doesn't necessarily rely heavily on his athleticism anyway. He shows potential to finish with both hands. He can shoot a variety of step-backs, floaters, and pull-ups. He has a herky-jerky driving style, without Kyrie's handles, but with the crafty feel for the balance of the defender.

The kid is legit. In a guard-weak draft, he is probably the first guard taken. Depending on how he finishes the season against top competition, he may even be in the conversation for a top 3 pick, depending on what teams end up in the top 3 and their roster needs.

If Doncic and Bagley are off the board, I'd be alright with Young. I don't think Porter will declare this year and I'm not a fan of Ayton.

He's like a mix between Kyrie and De'Angelo Russell.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 18, 2017, 01:26:04 PM
Jimmer Fredette was also a good scorer literally carrying his team in the NCAA. Let's see how this turns out.
Jimmer Fridette could really shoot but that was about it. I wouldn't say he was a scorer as he wasn't really good at creating his own shot. He was a one trick pony and couldn't get his shot off in the bigs. I don't think their games are similar. Plus, this kid is a freshman dropping 29 ppg. ALL of Young's stats are better now (though I can't see how he can sustain them through the whole season, especially in the Big 12) as a freshman than Fridette had as a senior.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: konkmv on December 18, 2017, 01:54:48 PM
I dream the day that we get the 3rd pick choose a player like donsic... and Danny trades him to suns for no.6 no11 and a future pic.. Danny picks Otto porter (Tatum n
2) and trae who becomes the next curry... then I woke ... but with Danny everything is possible
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 20, 2017, 11:34:16 AM
Trae Young was slacking his last game. I knew he couldn't sustain the 28.8 ppg.

He only dropped 26 on N'Western State on 9-16 shooting but had 22, that's right, 22 assists.

He is now up to #5 on the NBADraft.net website mock draft.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on December 20, 2017, 12:52:20 PM
Trae Young was slacking his last game. I knew he couldn't sustain the 28.8 ppg.

He only dropped 26 on N'Western State on 9-16 shooting but had 22, that's right, 22 assists.

He is now up to #5 on the NBADraft.net website mock draft.

For those not aware, that’s a Division I record.  Northwestern State is far from the best opponent ever, but posting a record number of assists is impressive no matter the opponent.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 20, 2017, 01:27:51 PM
Trae Young was slacking his last game. I knew he couldn't sustain the 28.8 ppg.

He only dropped 26 on N'Western State on 9-16 shooting but had 22, that's right, 22 assists.

He is now up to #5 on the NBADraft.net website mock draft.

For those not aware, that’s a Division I record.  Northwestern State is far from the best opponent ever, but posting a record number of assists is impressive no matter the opponent.
Thanks for pointing that out.
The others are Tony Fairley and two very familiar names, Avery Johnson and Sherman Douglas.
Title: The Trae Young thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on January 02, 2018, 02:48:26 AM

 I'm now secretly hoping for Trae Young. Currently the only player in NCAA history to lead the league in points per game 30 and assists per game 10.7 the only people in the company of Trae Young and the last 20 years are Kevin Durant Michael Beasley and Carmelo Anthony.

https://youtu.be/l7R6qCedbEQ
Title: Re: The Trae Young thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on January 02, 2018, 03:09:34 AM

 December highlights here https://youtu.be/0tnuVQTwnd4

 Horford
 Tatum
 Hayward
 Kyrie
 Trae Young

 Offensively that team is unstoppable. Defensively, bring back Smart, Plus Jaylen Brown, Rozier, Morris, Semi

 Young shoots 10 3s per game at .413% Plus Young is an amazing passer. He's twice the passer Lonzo Ball is and he scores 30 PPG. He's incredible.

 Right now he's the second best player in the draft IMO.
Title: Re: The Trae Young thread
Post by: gouki88 on January 02, 2018, 03:28:08 AM

 December highlights here https://youtu.be/0tnuVQTwnd4

 Horford
 Tatum
 Hayward
 Kyrie
 Trae Young

 Offensively that team is unstoppable. Defensively, bring back Smart, Plus Jaylen Brown, Rozier, Morris, Semi

 Young shoots 10 3s per game at .413% Plus Young is an amazing passer. He's twice the passer Lonzo Ball is and he scores 30 PPG. He's incredible.

 Right now he's the second best player in the draft IMO.
I am not a fan of that team at all on defence. Horford and Tatum would get slaughtered inside by legitimate bigs, and Kyrie and Young wouldn't be able to defend any of the good back-courts in the NBA (GSW, Washington, Portland, Houston etc.)

I wouldn't pick him over Doncic, Ayton, or Bagley. He's on the same tier as Porter and Bamba for me.

Title: Re: The Trae Young thread
Post by: trickybilly on January 02, 2018, 03:33:29 AM
Yeah, Trae could be a great NBA ready PG back up, in the event Marcus and or Terry get traded.

Looks like the order of preference at this stage should be:

Ayton*
Bamba*
Bagley
Young
Porter
Doncic
Jaren J..

*If we can't trade for an established big man
Title: Re: The Trae Young thread
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 02, 2018, 04:18:18 AM
He is like Kyrie 2.0 as far as his handle, passing ability, and court vision. Although I would much prefer Ayton, Bagley, Porter, Doncic, and Bamba ahead of him, I would definitely not be upset to wind up with this guy as a real and true backup PG, and even to share the floor with Kyrie at times.
Title: Re: The Trae Young thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on January 02, 2018, 04:35:06 AM
Yeah, Trae could be a great NBA ready PG back up, in the event Marcus and or Terry get traded.

Looks like the order of preference at this stage should be:

Ayton*
Bamba*
Bagley
Young
Porter
Doncic
Jaren J..

*If we can't trade for an established big man


 I would say most draft boards would look like this at the top

#1Bagley
#2 Luka
#3 Ayton
#4 Young
#5 Porter Jr
#6 Bamba


 More Positives on Young

 https://youtu.be/qhm39eCP0Jg
Title: Re: The Trae Young thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 02, 2018, 06:53:43 AM
Can the mods merge this thread with the already going "Trae Young Awareness Thread"?
Thanks!
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=94608.msg2434880#msg2434880
Title: Re: The Trae Young thread
Post by: kne on January 02, 2018, 07:41:15 AM
He is like Kyrie 2.0 as far as his handle, passing ability, and court vision.

I'm not so sure about the handle. If you look at the NWSU highlights, it seems like he always drives to the right. I think NBA scouting and defense would make life on the court a lot more difficult for him.
Title: Re: The Trae Young thread
Post by: chilidawg on January 02, 2018, 08:58:08 PM

 I'm now secretly hoping for Trae Young. Currently the only player in NCAA history to lead the league in points per game 30 and assists per game 10.7 the only people in the company of Trae Young and the last 20 years are Kevin Durant Michael Beasley and Carmelo Anthony.

https://youtu.be/l7R6qCedbEQ

You're not too familiar with the concept of secrets are you? ;D
Title: Re: The Trae Young thread
Post by: chilidawg on January 02, 2018, 08:59:50 PM
Yeah, Trae could be a great NBA ready PG back up, in the event Marcus and or Terry get traded.

Looks like the order of preference at this stage should be:

Ayton*
Bamba*
Bagley
Young
Porter
Doncic
Jaren J..

*If we can't trade for an established big man


 I would say most draft boards would look like this at the top

#1Bagley
#2 Luka
#3 Ayton
#4 Young
#5 Porter Jr
#6 Bamba


 More Positives on Young

 https://youtu.be/qhm39eCP0Jg

I think the top 3 is going to be very fluid, as is the next 3.  Two clear tiers to me.
Title: 2018 draft prospect Trae Young - Apparently the next coming of Steph Curry
Post by: Tr1boy on January 03, 2018, 04:38:27 PM
I only seen highlights and looked at his stats and game logs...   (so if anybody else know more chime in)

per eye test ...yes looks like and plays almost identical to Curry.   He is really quick to the basket but not much of a leaper.   Super quick, compact jump shot stroke but again doesn't jump very high.   He has climbed into top 5 pick conversations


here are highlights of his play so far....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tnuVQTwnd4
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on January 03, 2018, 04:41:28 PM
Jimmer Fredette was also a good scorer literally carrying his team in the NCAA. Let's see how this turns out.

Fredette never moved like Curry nor Young

different potential
Title: Re: 2018 draft prospect Trae Young - Apparently the next coming of Steph Curry
Post by: chilidawg on January 03, 2018, 06:24:37 PM
I only seen highlights and looked at his stats and game logs...   (so if anybody else know more chime in)

per eye test ...yes looks like and plays almost identical to Curry.   He is really quick to the basket but not much of a leaper.   Super quick, compact jump shot stroke but again doesn't jump very high.   He has climbed into top 5 pick conversations


here are highlights of his play so far....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tnuVQTwnd4

Stop watching highlights, and start watching games.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 06, 2018, 11:54:11 PM
Nbadraft.net has us taking trae young at #2
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on January 07, 2018, 12:50:58 AM
Nbadraft.net has us taking trae young at #2

I don't see Danny taking Young at 2. Maybe at 3 or 4.

I think Bagley/Ayton is the guy at #2, at least at this point. I think the Celtics could use a Ray Allen/Klay Thompson shooter and another talented big man to partner with Al Horford as he winds down his career.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 07, 2018, 02:41:33 AM
Nbadraft.net has us taking trae young at #2

I don't see Danny taking Young at 2. Maybe at 3 or 4.

I think Bagley/Ayton is the guy at #2, at least at this point. I think the Celtics could use a Ray Allen/Klay Thompson shooter and another talented big man to partner with Al Horford as he winds down his career.
That Ray Allen/Klay Thompson type could probably be of some use. Ainge should look into acquiring one of the 3 or 4 best shooters ever.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on January 07, 2018, 06:58:55 AM
Nbadraft.net has us taking trae young at #2

I don't see Danny taking Young at 2. Maybe at 3 or 4.

I think Bagley/Ayton is the guy at #2, at least at this point. I think the Celtics could use a Ray Allen/Klay Thompson shooter and another talented big man to partner with Al Horford as he winds down his career.
That Ray Allen/Klay Thompson type could probably be of some use. Ainge should look into acquiring one of the 3 or 4 best shooters ever.
Except there's a huge difference between Young and those two. Allen was an apt defender, and Thompson is one of the better guard defenders in the NBA. Young is trash
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 09, 2018, 05:07:39 PM
"Trashy" Trae Young and his Sooners welcome the Texas Tech team tonight. Should be a good game to watch. It's at 7 o'clock on BSPNU. I hope Trae drops 40 tonight. He's fun to follow.
They should have moved this game or the Kentucky/A&M game to 9 p.m.
Title: Re: The Trae Young thread
Post by: trickybilly on January 09, 2018, 08:18:05 PM
Yeah, Trae could be a great NBA ready PG back up, in the event Marcus and or Terry get traded.

Looks like the order of preference at this stage should be:

Ayton*
Bamba*
Bagley
Young
Porter
Doncic
Jaren J..

*If we can't trade for an established big man


 I would say most draft boards would look like this at the top

#1Bagley
#2 Luka
#3 Ayton
#4 Young
#5 Porter Jr
#6 Bamba


 More Positives on Young

 https://youtu.be/qhm39eCP0Jg

I think the top 3 is going to be very fluid, as is the next 3.  Two clear tiers to me.

So fluid in the sense that players can move between tiers? Who do you have in each tier?
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on January 09, 2018, 08:26:37 PM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on January 09, 2018, 08:41:34 PM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Someone will try, and conveniently forget his complete lack of defensive ability
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on January 09, 2018, 09:08:55 PM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?

Maybe because he's leading the ncaa in scoring and assists, as a freshman?  That at least makes him worth considering.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 10, 2018, 06:55:16 AM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Watch some Oklahoma games (plural) and you will see why. Last night he wasn't hitting ANYTHING in the first half but had some very nice passes to WIDE OPEN guys but they couldn't  hit anything either. His range is half-court so there's that and he can get his shots off and can drive and finish.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 10, 2018, 06:59:54 AM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Someone will try, and conveniently forget his complete lack of defensive ability
You already pointed out that you think Trae is trash on defense. It's going to get old if that's all you're going to post in this thread. BTW, he plays defense a lot like Kyrie so he'll get a lot of steals but he's not a very good defender right now. If he winds up on this team (likely as the 5th pick, depending on who else is available) it will be to come off the bench and drop 15-20 and not to come in and be a defensive stopper. I can live with that. We need bench scoring badly and Tatum may not be that guy next year as he may still be in the starting line-up.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 10, 2018, 07:03:41 AM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Because only Ayton, Bagley, Doncic and Porter (if he comes out) are likely the only players who'll be picked before him. No one else is a sure thing to be picked in front of him.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 14, 2018, 10:36:51 AM
"Trashy" Trae Young and his Sooners welcome the Texas Tech team tonight. Should be a good game to watch. It's at 7 o'clock on BSPNU. I hope Trae drops 40 tonight. He's fun to follow.
They should have moved this game or the Kentucky/A&M game to 9 p.m.
I guess he was one by game off. He dropped 43 on #16 TCU yesterday, making 10 3's in the process. I didn't see the game but that's not bad at all. He just keeps pouring them in.
One stat that still needs mentioning is his high number of turnovers. He had 9 of them.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on January 14, 2018, 10:55:42 AM
Is this guy this year's version of Malik Monk?
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on January 14, 2018, 06:16:04 PM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Someone will try, and conveniently forget his complete lack of defensive ability

How many PGs in today’s league play good defense? Unless you are way undersized like IT it really doesn’t if you can score as well as make those around you better. Trae Young has those qualities.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 14, 2018, 06:18:40 PM
I think the Mike Bibby comparison is dead on.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: Birdman on January 14, 2018, 06:20:27 PM
I pass on young..we need bigs, not more guards
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: IDreamCeltics on January 14, 2018, 06:55:16 PM
I pass on young..we need bigs, not more guards

We'll need someone to replace Smart... Not that that's Trae Young necessarily, but we'll need another guard.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: wiley on January 14, 2018, 07:04:43 PM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Because only Ayton, Bagley, Doncic and Porter (if he comes out) are likely the only players who'll be picked before him. No one else is a sure thing to be picked in front of him.

Not necessarily for C's, but in general I think I'd take Young before Doncic. 

Ayton
Bagley
Young
Bamba
Doncic

With Porter anywhere from 3-5 if deemed healthy enough to gamble.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 15, 2018, 11:20:51 AM
Per reports, Michael Porter's injury is not that serious, even though it has to do with the back, and there are reports he could be back with the team this month.
If he does decide to come out this year there is no way he slides out of the top 4. Not. A. Chance.
I was also advocating picking Young if the LA pick falls 5th exactly. Not sure I take anyone, not even Bamba, ahead of Young. His range is sick right now and I think Bamba will take a couple of years to be productive. I don't think he can get enough minutes to make any kind of impact if drafted this year by the C's.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: footey on January 15, 2018, 12:40:45 PM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Because only Ayton, Bagley, Doncic and Porter (if he comes out) are likely the only players who'll be picked before him. No one else is a sure thing to be picked in front of him.

Not necessarily for C's, but in general I think I'd take Young before Doncic. 

Ayton
Bagley
Young
Bamba
Doncic

With Porter anywhere from 3-5 if deemed healthy enough to gamble.

I would not take Bamba with top 5 pick. I'd rather trade down and take Robinson.

Ayton
Porter
Bagley
Doncic
Trade Down and Grab Robinson
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: IDreamCeltics on January 15, 2018, 03:12:58 PM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Someone will try, and conveniently forget his complete lack of defensive ability

1. What PG scored 30 pts a night and averaged 10 assists and was a good defender?

2. If you're drafting a PG for defense you should be drafting at the end of the first round... not the beginning.

3.  People like Trae Young because he's leading the NCAA in ppg and apg while shooting 40% from 3...
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 17, 2018, 06:38:16 AM
VERY poor showing from Trae Young last night. I saw very little of the game but seeing the stats almost made me throw up. Other than 20 points on 8-21 shooting, he had 12 (12!) turnovers. Is that some kind of record? Yikes!
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 17, 2018, 07:00:14 AM
This guy is a turnover machine. It'll get worse in the nba since he's undersized
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: vjcsmoke on January 17, 2018, 08:40:56 AM
This guy is a turnover machine. It'll get worse in the nba since he's undersized

Isn't he the same size as Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry?
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: playdream on January 17, 2018, 09:46:41 AM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Someone will try, and conveniently forget his complete lack of defensive ability

How many PGs in today’s league play good defense? Unless you are way undersized like IT it really doesn’t if you can score as well as make those around you better. Trae Young has those qualities.
KI and Smart both top10 in WS and this is our identity, if you only wants to score go to the Suns
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: Atzar on January 17, 2018, 10:42:16 AM
This guy is a turnover machine. It'll get worse in the nba since he's undersized

Isn't he the same size as Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry?

He's 6'2", but he doesn't have much length or athleticism.

His turnovers are a real concern.  He'll never provide value on defense unless he does it the AI way by playing passing lanes, so he has to be pretty close to flawless as an offensive player to compensate. 

I'm not a big fan.  IMO he's more in the 6-9 range than the 1-5 range.  And I could be wrong - maybe he IS Curry - but I'm content to let somebody else take that chance. 

Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 17, 2018, 10:55:30 AM
This guy is a turnover machine. It'll get worse in the nba since he's undersized

Isn't he the same size as Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry?

I'm the same size as Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry, does that mean I wouldn't have turnover issues in the NBA?  Comparing a come-outta-nowhere college player who routinely has 8+ turnover games to 2 of the most skilled players of all time (kyrie best dribbler, steph best shooter) seems shaky.  IMO, this guy is more likely to be Jimmer Fredette than Steph Curry.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: Humble G on January 17, 2018, 11:09:17 AM
This guy is a turnover machine. It'll get worse in the nba since he's undersized

Isn't he the same size as Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry?

I'm the same size as Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry, does that mean I wouldn't have turnover issues in the NBA?  Comparing a come-outta-nowhere college player who routinely has 8+ turnover games to 2 of the most skilled players of all time (kyrie best dribbler, steph best shooter) seems shaky.  IMO, this guy is more likely to be Jimmer Fredette than Steph Curry.
He has had 2 games with more than 8 turnovers(9& 12). He averages 5.2 through 17 games. while that is double steph and kyrie in college, but we are not half way through the year.

He is 19 and still learning and forming his game.... but he is avg 29.5 pts and 9.8 assists a game.
Kyrie= 17.5 pts and 4.3 ast with 2.5 TO
Steph= 21.5 pts and 2.8 ast with 2.8 TO
Trae= 29.5pts and 9.8 ast with 5.2 TO
AND Jimmer was not a standout freshman at all

SO lets see how he finishes the year but I think he def has potential
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 17, 2018, 12:56:35 PM
This guy is a turnover machine. It'll get worse in the nba since he's undersized

Isn't he the same size as Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry?

I'm the same size as Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry, does that mean I wouldn't have turnover issues in the NBA?  Comparing a come-outta-nowhere college player who routinely has 8+ turnover games to 2 of the most skilled players of all time (kyrie best dribbler, steph best shooter) seems shaky.  IMO, this guy is more likely to be Jimmer Fredette than Steph Curry.
He has had 2 games with more than 8 turnovers(9& 12). He averages 5.2 through 17 games. while that is double steph and kyrie in college, but we are not half way through the year.

He is 19 and still learning and forming his game.... but he is avg 29.5 pts and 9.8 assists a game.
Kyrie= 17.5 pts and 4.3 ast with 2.5 TO
Steph= 21.5 pts and 2.8 ast with 2.8 TO
Trae= 29.5pts and 9.8 ast with 5.2 TO
AND Jimmer was not a standout freshman at all

SO lets see how he finishes the year but I think he def has potential

I see your point. I need to watch more of the kid but I’m wary. I’d be willing to bet Young is shooting the ball a hell of a lot more than Kyrie was, and it’s a lot easier to average 29 as the one guy on Oklahoma than it is as a freshman on the perenniallly loaded Duke ‘franchise’.

His TOs, height, athleticism and some seemingly chucker tendencies give me pause. I wouldn’t want to spend a top 5 pick on him at this time.

Edit: I’d also expect him to turn the ball over more in the 2nd half of the year against better teams, not less. But I could very well be wrong about him.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 17, 2018, 03:31:03 PM
Some of you need to watch him play instead of watching his stats. Granted, I didn't see last nights game as it interfered with the C's game so I don't know how many BAD turnovers he had. But I just don't see many players right now that are better than him that will likely come out in this draft other than the 4 I already mentioned before. I would still take him over Bamba but not over Bagley, Porter, Ayton or Doncic.
He can really shoot (and get his shot off) and score and we all know how badly we need bench scoring. The turnovers just aren't sustainable at this rate. And he has very good vision, getting MANY open looks for his teammates who just don't knock down a high rate of WIDE OPEN shots they get because of the attention he gets on defense.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on January 17, 2018, 04:41:09 PM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Someone will try, and conveniently forget his complete lack of defensive ability

How many PGs in today’s league play good defense? Unless you are way undersized like IT it really doesn’t if you can score as well as make those around you better. Trae Young has those qualities.
KI and Smart both top10 in WS and this is our identity, if you only wants to score go to the Suns

Did I ever say the C's should draft him? Drafting someone top 5 just to come off the bench isn't Ainge's style. FYI: Kyrie isn't a good defender either.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 18, 2018, 07:22:58 AM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Someone will try, and conveniently forget his complete lack of defensive ability

How many PGs in today’s league play good defense? Unless you are way undersized like IT it really doesn’t if you can score as well as make those around you better. Trae Young has those qualities.
KI and Smart both top10 in WS and this is our identity, if you only wants to score go to the Suns

Did I ever say the C's should draft him? Drafting someone top 5 just to come off the bench isn't Ainge's style. FYI: Kyrie isn't a good defender either.
We pretty much don't have any openings so no matter if draft someone at 2 or at 5 they are not going to crack the starting line-up. If the pick conveys and DA doesn't trade it then there is no other way for the pick to get playing time BUT to come off the bench.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on January 18, 2018, 06:10:29 PM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Someone will try, and conveniently forget his complete lack of defensive ability

How many PGs in today’s league play good defense? Unless you are way undersized like IT it really doesn’t if you can score as well as make those around you better. Trae Young has those qualities.
KI and Smart both top10 in WS and this is our identity, if you only wants to score go to the Suns

Did I ever say the C's should draft him? Drafting someone top 5 just to come off the bench isn't Ainge's style. FYI: Kyrie isn't a good defender either.
We pretty much don't have any openings so no matter if draft someone at 2 or at 5 they are not going to crack the starting line-up. If the pick conveys and DA doesn't trade it then there is no other way for the pick to get playing time BUT to come off the bench.

A starting spot at C will probably be available next season.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 20, 2018, 11:00:19 AM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Someone will try, and conveniently forget his complete lack of defensive ability

How many PGs in today’s league play good defense? Unless you are way undersized like IT it really doesn’t if you can score as well as make those around you better. Trae Young has those qualities.
KI and Smart both top10 in WS and this is our identity, if you only wants to score go to the Suns

Did I ever say the C's should draft him? Drafting someone top 5 just to come off the bench isn't Ainge's style. FYI: Kyrie isn't a good defender either.
We pretty much don't have any openings so no matter if draft someone at 2 or at 5 they are not going to crack the starting line-up. If the pick conveys and DA doesn't trade it then there is no other way for the pick to get playing time BUT to come off the bench.

A starting spot at C will probably be available next season.
I can only see Ayton cracking a spot but this offense may be too complicated for him, especially early on and since the training camps are much shorter now,  to getting significant minutes. He could be getting similar minutes as Baynes.
It's also nice to him knocking down a few three's this year but most of his offense comes from down low with his overpowering smaller defenders and easy putbackc. At least he's physically ready. Can't say that about any other big at the top of the draft.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on January 20, 2018, 11:28:28 AM
Jaylen Brown was drafted at 3 and came off the bench last year.  If Morris and Hayward were healthy to start the year Tatum probably would be coming off the bench.  Marcus Smart was drafted at 6 and is still coming off the bench.  The notion that Ainge won't draft guys top 5 to come off the bench is just absurd.  They'll play where they fit best, and like it.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on January 20, 2018, 03:51:35 PM
Jaylen Brown was drafted at 3 and came off the bench last year.  If Morris and Hayward were healthy to start the year Tatum probably would be coming off the bench.  Marcus Smart was drafted at 6 and is still coming off the bench.  The notion that Ainge won't draft guys top 5 to come off the bench is just absurd.  They'll play where they fit best, and like it.

You can only get away with that for so long. I think some guys will be consolidated next summer. Players need minutes and we are entering luxury cap territory now.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 20, 2018, 04:38:40 PM
I don't get why you guys think Young is even worth a top 5 pick...

Can someone breakdown it for me?
Someone will try, and conveniently forget his complete lack of defensive ability

How many PGs in today’s league play good defense? Unless you are way undersized like IT it really doesn’t if you can score as well as make those around you better. Trae Young has those qualities.
KI and Smart both top10 in WS and this is our identity, if you only wants to score go to the Suns

Did I ever say the C's should draft him? Drafting someone top 5 just to come off the bench isn't Ainge's style. FYI: Kyrie isn't a good defender either.
We pretty much don't have any openings so no matter if draft someone at 2 or at 5 they are not going to crack the starting line-up. If the pick conveys and DA doesn't trade it then there is no other way for the pick to get playing time BUT to come off the bench.

A starting spot at C will probably be available next season.

Perhaps a "starting" spot will be open, but I'd assume it'll be pretty tough for any rookie big man to beat out Horford, Tatum, Hayward, Brown and Irving for minutes.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on January 20, 2018, 04:43:25 PM
That 3 pointer that Young took against Oklahoma State was just very dumb. I hated that shot and I hated how confident he was in taking it.. No hesitation, with plenty of time left on the shot clock. Ugh. Sometimes I despise the 3 ball point era, because sometimes players don't even attempt to force the defense to hedge or switch.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 21, 2018, 11:02:19 AM
That 3 pointer that Young took against Oklahoma State was just very dumb. I hated that shot and I hated how confident he was in taking it.. No hesitation, with plenty of time left on the shot clock. Ugh. Sometimes I despise the 3 ball point era, because sometimes players don't even attempt to force the defense to hedge or switch.
I agree. He was just past the half court line. Still, if it wasn't for his 48 points (8 3-pointers) Okie wouldn't have been close in the game. His turnovers are killing me though.
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on March 22, 2018, 07:16:17 PM
Good breakdown of Young's game from Mike Schmitz.

http://www.espn.com/nba/
Title: Re: Trae Young Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on June 19, 2018, 02:47:52 PM
Nice article about Trae in ESPN.  I'm rooting for him, sounds like a good kid.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23831582/nba-draft-trae-young-wants-do-never-done