CelticsStrong
Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: krook on February 11, 2013, 04:17:58 AM
-
7 Game Winning Streak With Rajan Rondo Out
Heat Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass
13:54min
4 Rebounds
Kings Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass
37:36min
4 Rebounds
Orlando Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass
26:27min
7 Rebounds
Clippers Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass
29:40min
8 Rebounds
Raptors Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass
23:50min
3 Rebounds
Lakers Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass
25:18min
4 Rebounds
Denver Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass
32:33min
4 Rebounds
Is That OK For A Power Forward?
-
Nope, I've been wanting him out for a while, we need some rebounding presence.
-
He's terrible.
-
and yet, we are completely over a barrel. We need him desperately.
-
Remember last season when we were so giddy with excitement over how awesome the baby for bass deal was?
LOL
Granted baby went out this year(magic can't win without him) but wow baby was never this bad.....and this is how I remember bass and why he was always buried on done I ones bench or in some ones dog house.....last year was actually the aberration
-
I thought he was a trade chip the moment we signed him. Rumor on hoopshype is Millsap will be traded, love to somehow turn Bass into Millsap, Danny needs to be creative here.
-
How has our overall rebounding been without Sully? It seems like its been better whether its a coincidence or not.
I still think I prefer Bass to Baby. Bass at least plays his role whether he is succeeding or not. Baby just jacks up inefficient shots.
-
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.
-
Unfortunately with that contract, Bass isn't going anywhere.
-
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.
Yeah I don't get the complaints about Bass or Green when it comes to rebounding. They have never been good at rebounding. So they either have never given effort in their career or more likely they are just not talented rebounders.
Its like pointing out Rondos free throw shooting every game, but worse.
-
I think Bass' terrible hands adds to his rebounding woes. Rebounds just slip through his fingers. He touches the ball, but can't keep hold of it. It either slips through his fingers or someone takes it away. :-\ It's just like trying to throw a difficult pass to him, you should never do it because he's never going to catch it.
-
He needs to go. He's not gonna step his game up.
-
Remember last season when we were so giddy with excitement over how awesome the baby for bass deal was?
LOL
Granted baby went out this year(magic can't win without him) but wow baby was never this bad.....and this is how I remember bass and why he was always buried on done I ones bench or in some ones dog house.....last year was actually the aberration
Davis was exactly this bad for us.
Bass's rebound rate this year: 11.1
Davis's rebound rate last year in BOS: 11.4
Bass TS% this year: .500
Davis TS% last year in BOS: .499
Bass's rebounding hasn't surprised me (it was just 11.5 last year), its his overall poor jump shooting. He was a 50% catch and shoot guy last year, this year I think he's under 40% or something close to that.
-
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.
Yeah I don't get the complaints about Bass or Green when it comes to rebounding. They have never been good at rebounding. So they either have never given effort in their career or more likely they are just not talented rebounders.
Its like pointing out Rondos free throw shooting every game, but worse.
Yeah, its Bass's shooting that's been so shockingly bad compared to his career make rate.
-
Brandon Bass is my least concern right now. I'm way more worried by the fact that he doesn't have a legitimate backup.
-
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.
Yeah I don't get the complaints about Bass or Green when it comes to rebounding. They have never been good at rebounding. So they either have never given effort in their career or more likely they are just not talented rebounders.
Its like pointing out Rondos free throw shooting every game, but worse.
Yeah, its Bass's shooting that's been so shockingly bad compared to his career make rate.
It looked like it was dropping.a bit more when Rondo was put but not so much the past couple games.
I also love this.notion that now guys like Green and Terry are playing well so don't trade them but trade Bass who's been terrible. Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too
-
Bass has the effort, he lacks the hands or skill to actually "grab" the rebound.
Bass is pretty good about wanting to rebound, he just doesn't have box out , positioning skills of say Larry Bird or Sully.
Bass gets a finger or touch on alt of rebounds.........he needs to rebound with both hands......
Bass can jump, he just has awful technic :'(
-
Unfortunately with that contract, Bass isn't going anywhere.
Probably right.
If we moved another asset along with him like a first rounder or fab then we might be able to get a guy on a similarly lengthed contract who is annually paid a little more.
Likely needs to be from a lottery team with little hope of contending in the immediate future.
-
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.
Yeah I don't get the complaints about Bass or Green when it comes to rebounding. They have never been good at rebounding. So they either have never given effort in their career or more likely they are just not talented rebounders.
Its like pointing out Rondos free throw shooting every game, but worse.
Yeah, its Bass's shooting that's been so shockingly bad compared to his career make rate.
It's so out of line that it looks more like this season is an outlier rather than this season being Bass showing his true colors, in the absence of any obvious age or injury concerns.
-
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.
Yeah I don't get the complaints about Bass or Green when it comes to rebounding. They have never been good at rebounding. So they either have never given effort in their career or more likely they are just not talented rebounders.
Its like pointing out Rondos free throw shooting every game, but worse.
Yeah, its Bass's shooting that's been so shockingly bad compared to his career make rate.
It's so out of line that it looks more like this season is an outlier rather than this season being Bass showing his true colors, in the absence of any obvious age or injury concerns.
He looks like he's trying to do too much to justtify his new contract. Someone has to pull him over to say it's ok to just hit an open 18-footer and play solid defense.
-
It might be that Bass is trying to justify his spot in the starting lineup. He's shooting at a somewhat higher percentage since Sullinger went out and he has a higher shooting percentage in games where he starts.
-
He looks like he's trying to do too much to justtify his new contract. Someone has to pull him over to say it's ok to just hit an open 18-footer and play solid defense.
This.
I think this nails the problem down short and sweet. It's not that he's goofing off like Blount. He looks like he's overthinking things and trying a little too hard on offense. if he just did what he did last year and shoot his open jumpers (and make them), there'd be less complaints about his game. (there'll always be complaints about his rebounding)
-
If by out, you mean out of the rotation, well at least that is logical. If by out you mean, traded for something better, then why should another team give us something better? If you consider him garbage, then don't expect anything but garbage in return.
-
He looks like he's trying to do too much to justtify his new contract. Someone has to pull him over to say it's ok to just hit an open 18-footer and play solid defense.
This.
I think this nails the problem down short and sweet. It's not that he's goofing off like Blount. He looks like he's overthinking things and trying a little too hard on offense. if he just did what he did last year and shoot his open jumpers (and make them), there'd be less complaints about his game. (there'll always be complaints about his rebounding)
Yup.
Last year, he took open jumpers with no hesitation, and he made them with great efficiency.
This year, there always seems to be a shade of hesitation about whether to take it to the rack for a lay-in. And while taking it to the rack is theoretically producing easier looks, it's the hesitation that's turned Bass from a prolific shooter into a mediocre one.
-
He has no excuse anymore Sully isn't breathing down his back, last night the one he took was outside his range.
I would prefer to see him dealt though.
-
He just does not have a big man skill set. He's a sf according to Charles Barkley.
-
He just does not have a big man skill set. He's a sf according to Charles Barkley.
A very slow, clumsy SF.
I wish we could just take his strength and rebounding and put it into Jeff Green. Then we'd have a complete combo forward on this team.
-
He just does not have a big man skill set. He's a sf according to Charles Barkley.
Chuck apparently missed the memo saying that in the NBA, you are what you can defend. Not going to be the first time he'd be talking out of the wrong end.
-
he is too slow for sf, better just stay in pf, even if you cant rebounds
-
He has that bad combo of low bball iq, poor rebounding, no inside game, no 3 point shot, and poor passing. That's not getting you far, lol
-
To me I think he is the player most likely to move. I think he could have some use to a young team trying to make it in the playoffs.
Maybe something like this http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cffk2ut
-
To me I think he is the player most likely to move. I think he could have some use to a young team trying to make it in the playoffs.
Maybe something like this http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cffk2ut
trade machine don't work
-
He is a mediocre rebounder and he does not protect the rim well. Other than that he is a decent albeit small PF.
-
Agreed but at this rate who would want him.
-
7 Game Winning Streak With Rajan Rondo Out
Heat Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass
13:54min
4 Rebounds
Orlando Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass
26:27min
7 Rebounds
Clippers Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass
29:40min
8 Rebounds
Is That OK For A Power Forward?
Um, yes. Actually that is perfectly fine for a PF. Players like Serge Ibaka, David West, Paul Millsap and Marc Gasol average under 8 rebounds per game. Notice how few minutes he played in the first 2 games here. He can't be to blame for that.
And its an interesting theory, but I rarely subscribe to theories that when a team is on a 7 game winning streak, one of their starting 5 "has to go" because of below average production in a single statistic in 4/7 of those games.
That and also, he's grabbed 7 and 9 rebounds in the 2 next games against Charlotte and Chicago.
If there's one players' rebounding who I'm concerned about its Jeff Green.
-
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game. He put in work big time.
I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar. If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
-
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game. He put in work big time.
I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar. If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
You'll never be able to trade someone for their upgraded version. Bass isn't going anywhere -- and that's ok.
-
If there's one players' rebounding who I'm concerned about its Jeff Green.
Yeah despite getting more minutes at "PF" his rebounding has remained blah, a lot of sub 6 TRB% games since Sullinger went out.
Part of that though is that Pierce has been busting his but on the glass. It'd be nice if Green showed that he could step up in the same manner.
-
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game. He put in work big time.
I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar. If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
You'll never be able to trade someone for their upgraded version. Bass isn't going anywhere -- and that's ok.
Right now, I'm just hoping he can step up his game in the second half of the season.
-
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game. He put in work big time.
I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar. If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
You'll never be able to trade someone for their upgraded version. Bass isn't going anywhere -- and that's ok.
Right now, I'm just hoping he can step up his game in the second half of the season.
If he can get back to high 40s for his catch and shoot chances that alone would be a big boost.
-
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game. He put in work big time.
I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar. If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
You'll never be able to trade someone for their upgraded version. Bass isn't going anywhere -- and that's ok.
Right now, I'm just hoping he can step up his game in the second half of the season.
If he can get back to high 40s for his catch and shoot chances that alone would be a big boost.
He's been much better in February (.500 from the field with 2 assists per game). Let's hope he can build on that.
-
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game. He put in work big time.
I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar. If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
You'll never be able to trade someone for their upgraded version. Bass isn't going anywhere -- and that's ok.
Right now, I'm just hoping he can step up his game in the second half of the season.
If he can get back to high 40s for his catch and shoot chances that alone would be a big boost.
He's been much better in February (.500 from the field with 2 assists per game). Let's hope he can build on that.
Agreed. He has looked like a different player showing a ton more hustle and effort. Something inspired him as of late. He looks like a bit of the player he was turning out to be last year in flashes lately.
-
I think that if anyone gets traded, it will be some combination of Lee, Green and/or Bradley. I just don't think that Bass has very much value in a trade right now.
It was nice to see him have one of his better games in recent memory right before the all star break. Hopefully, this gives him some confidence to come out and play better more consistently when the team returns to action.
-
I think that if anyone gets traded, it will be some combination of Lee, Green and/or Bradley. I just don't think that Bass has very much value in a trade right now.
It was nice to see him have one of his better games in recent memory right before the all star break. Hopefully, this gives him some confidence to come out and play better more consistently when the team returns to action.
Yes, I agree with all these sentiments.
He doesn't "have to go" if he plays poorly -- rather, no one will take him. And its not worth it for the Cs to "pay" someone to take him (ie with a draft pick).
And if he starts playing lights out, well then thats a reason to trade him, no? Because then his value will be higher?
In short, I think its not: "Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go"
but rather "Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up So As To Increase His Value (to the Cs or to a potential trade partner)"
-
If Phoenix offered Bass for Beasley, would you do it? They have very similar contracts so the money is a wash, it comes down to preference on the player. So what do you do if that deal is on the table.
I probably take the deal because for all of Beasley's flaws, he does have immense talent and maybe coming here with this team will get him to focus. Since the dollars are the same, I say it is worth the risk.
What say you?
And for the record that is about the only deal I can see for Bass, where he isn't just in there for dollars, and where no other assets are going out with him.
-
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
-
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.
This, and we don't need a third SF.
-
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.
This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
-
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.
This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
His problem at PF is that he's a pathetic rebounder (and if you thought Bass was bad -- Beasley is actually worse). I don't think he'll be any more useful at PF that Bargnani is, and I want no part of Bargs either.
-
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.
This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
His problem at PF is that he's a pathetic rebounder (and if you thought Bass was bad -- Beasley is actually worse). I don't think he'll be any more useful at PF that Bargnani is, and I want no part of Bargs either.
They are pretty similar, the difficulty with Beasley is that he has played SF a lot more and thus is further away from the hoop. As a PF, Beasley is actually a better rebounder than Bass if you look at RB% (and discount Bass' first two seasons when he barely played).
-
If Phoenix offered Bass for Beasley, would you do it? They have very similar contracts so the money is a wash, it comes down to preference on the player. So what do you do if that deal is on the table.
I probably take the deal because for all of Beasley's flaws, he does have immense talent and maybe coming here with this team will get him to focus. Since the dollars are the same, I say it is worth the risk.
What say you?
And for the record that is about the only deal I can see for Bass, where he isn't just in there for dollars, and where no other assets are going out with him.
Oh my...
When people say they want to throw up when they read certain posts, I now know how they feel.
Bass is a GOOD fit for this team. Beasley would be a bad fit. I can't see him possibly learning our system and our team defense schemes.
-
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.
This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
His problem at PF is that he's a pathetic rebounder (and if you thought Bass was bad -- Beasley is actually worse). I don't think he'll be any more useful at PF that Bargnani is, and I want no part of Bargs either.
They are pretty similar, the difficulty with Beasley is that he has played SF a lot more and thus is further away from the hoop. As a PF, Beasley is actually a better rebounder than Bass if you look at RB% (and discount Bass' first two seasons when he barely played).
Assuming that his low TRR is an artifact of a position shift after he left Miami -- sure. I'll grant you that they're somewhat comparable.
One way or the other though, I don't think it's a clever long-term plan to invest resources in a PF who rebounds at the rate of Brandon Bass.
-
There's a non-negligible chance that Beasley will be a more infuriating player than Vin Baker. He's a soft pothead with a reputation for complaining if he doesn't get enough touches on offense and playing atrocious defense. I would try to avoid him even if he was available as a minimum salary gamble.
-
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.
This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
His problem at PF is that he's a pathetic rebounder (and if you thought Bass was bad -- Beasley is actually worse). I don't think he'll be any more useful at PF that Bargnani is, and I want no part of Bargs either.
They are pretty similar, the difficulty with Beasley is that he has played SF a lot more and thus is further away from the hoop. As a PF, Beasley is actually a better rebounder than Bass if you look at RB% (and discount Bass' first two seasons when he barely played).
Assuming that his low TRR is an artifact of a position shift after he left Miami -- sure. I'll grant you that they're somewhat comparable.
One way or the other though, I don't think it's a clever long-term plan to invest resources in a PF who rebounds at the rate of Brandon Bass.
The investment in Beasley is actually a bit less than the investment in Bass. So I fail to see what point you are getting at.
-
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.
This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
His problem at PF is that he's a pathetic rebounder (and if you thought Bass was bad -- Beasley is actually worse). I don't think he'll be any more useful at PF that Bargnani is, and I want no part of Bargs either.
They are pretty similar, the difficulty with Beasley is that he has played SF a lot more and thus is further away from the hoop. As a PF, Beasley is actually a better rebounder than Bass if you look at RB% (and discount Bass' first two seasons when he barely played).
Assuming that his low TRR is an artifact of a position shift after he left Miami -- sure. I'll grant you that they're somewhat comparable.
One way or the other though, I don't think it's a clever long-term plan to invest resources in a PF who rebounds at the rate of Brandon Bass.
The investment in Beasley is actually a bit less than the investment in Bass. So I fail to see what point you are getting at.
i'd better take my guy luis scola, best player in pheonix suns in a bad team
-
As a player claimed on amnesty waivers, Scola can't be traded until July 1.
-
The investment in Beasley is actually a bit less than the investment in Bass. So I fail to see what point you are getting at.
I didn't mean money. I expect you the idea is to bring Beasley in order to groom him as some sort of a critical piece of the starting lineup, because he certainly isn't (and won't be) a roleplayer. That's, chiefly, a waste of time -- I'd stick with the known commodity, even if he wasn't picked second in the draft.
-
Bass been Thumpin
trade talks stop
-
You guys don't see when he IS stepping up. Sigh. Trades, trades, trades are all you want!
-
The investment in Beasley is actually a bit less than the investment in Bass. So I fail to see what point you are getting at.
I didn't mean money. I expect you the idea is to bring Beasley in order to groom him as some sort of a critical piece of the starting lineup, because he certainly isn't (and won't be) a roleplayer. That's, chiefly, a waste of time -- I'd stick with the known commodity, even if he wasn't picked second in the draft.
No I just think he has more upside and a better chance to actually contribute in an effective manner. He is a much more gifted all around offensive player, which is what the C's could use from the 4 spot. Bass is pretty much a spot up shooter that has been unfortunately not hitting the broad side of a barn much this year. I also think that if Beasley was actually in a good situation with a strong presence like KG that he might actually be a bit less of a knucklehead.