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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: slightly biased bias fan on November 12, 2017, 09:00:07 PM
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I still wonder if Celtics got the first pick, 76ers 2nd and Lakers the 3rd in that draft, how much everybody's fate could have changed. Brown actually seems like the perfect Stevens guy similar to Kawhi Leonard in Pop's system but I wonder how different the Celtics would operate if they got Simmons? Stevens is a coaching genius but I wonder if the team would still function the way it does now or more revolved around Simmons passing. With the second pick Philly most probably picks Ingram and 'the process' looks much more of a failure than now. Lakers luck into picking Brown who would be their best player and almost guaranteed 2016 rookie of the year and may have saved Mitch Kupchak's job. If you look further into the Celtics future, does Danny still make the Irving trade given Simmons is a primary ball handler and does Kyrie want to come given he is a Lebron clone?
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Then Boston trades down again the way they did in the last draft. DA is not very enamored with Simmons as good as he has been right now...there were red flags when he came out and Jaylen who was very raw and so was Ingram...maybe DA tries to get Ingram and extraxt anymore asset...really it would be diffrent the qay it all turned out but Im not complaining...Never been a Simmons guy myself.
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Then Boston trades down again the way they did in the last draft. DA is not very enamored with Simmons as good as he has been right now...there were red flags when he came out and Jaylen who was very raw and so was Ingram...maybe DA tries to get Ingram and extraxt anymore asset...really it would be diffrent the qay it all turned out but Im not complaining...Never been a Simmons guy myself.
i'm not so sure we will do the same thing. I feel if we had the 2016 1st, we would've drafted Simmons
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The Celtics would have selected Simmons and would be a different but better team. I love Jaylen and think he has a stellar career ahead of him, but Simmons can do so much more, even if jump shooting is not currently on that list.
But it would be a different team. Can’t imagine they’d have traded Bradley, for example.
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I think we might have drafted Brown anyway. Simmons is a rich man's Evan Turner.
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I think we might have drafted Brown anyway. Simmons is a rich man's Evan Turner.
Considering Turner is currently on the TrailBlazers, which has one of the richest owners in the NBA (Paul Allen), Simmons would be a very, very, very rich man’s Evan Turner.
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C's woukd have drafted Simmons and probably would have made a trade last year at the deadline because Simmons would have given the C's a much better shot last year, enough so that Ainge would have gone all in last year.
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If DA passed on Simmons it would have been for Ingram, not Brown. I still think Ingram is a better prospect than Brown.
That said, I think DA probably drafts Simmons.
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1st overall pick makes 6.1 million, 3rd makes 4.95. Not sure how that equates into the Bradley/Marcus trades or subsequent moves thereafter. I remember it was close.
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It's hard to argue against Simmons being the best prospect. He's been great so far.
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The Celtics would have selected Simmons and would be a different but better team. I love Jaylen and think he has a stellar career ahead of him, but Simmons can do so much more, even if jump shooting is not currently on that list.
But it would be a different team. Can’t imagine they’d have traded Bradley, for example.
Simmons will handle the ball and AB can guard PGs.
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1st overall pick makes 6.1 million, 3rd makes 4.95. Not sure how that equates into the Bradley/Marcus trades or subsequent moves thereafter. I remember it was close.
I think saltlover meant that Ainge would have found a way to keep Avery because they wouldn't have had Jaylen to step in as their two way guard replacement.
Do you think DA still makes the Irving trade?
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1st overall pick makes 6.1 million, 3rd makes 4.95. Not sure how that equates into the Bradley/Marcus trades or subsequent moves thereafter. I remember it was close.
I think saltlover meant that Ainge would have found a way to keep Avery because they wouldn't have had Jaylen to step in as their two way guard replacement.
Do you think DA still makes the Irving trade?
No, he wouldn't have traded for Kyrie. Simmons is going to be a better PG than Lonzo, Markelle, Dennis Smith, etc. If they had the #1 pick, Danny would have picked Simmons and started him on Day 1 when healthy.
I think they wouldn't have traded Avery this year if they didn't pick up Kyrie's big salary.
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Nothing is ever certain, especially with DA. I am almost certain he would have taken Simmons. At this point the best player from the last two drafts. I would have Tatum at two, he will get closer as he matures too. Long run though Simmons looks to have the greatest potential from the last two drafts.
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C's woukd have drafted Simmons and probably would have made a trade last year at the deadline because Simmons would have given the C's a much better shot last year, enough so that Ainge would have gone all in last year.
Are we assuming he would not have sat out the year if he were drafted by the Celtics?
Separately from that, I understand its popular to not be enamored with other teams prospects but Simmons is, even without an outside shot, the clear best prospect from that draft. He's incredible, you folks need to watch more 76ers games if you're low on him.
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C's woukd have drafted Simmons and probably would have made a trade last year at the deadline because Simmons would have given the C's a much better shot last year, enough so that Ainge would have gone all in last year.
Are we assuming he would not have sat out the year if he were drafted by the Celtics?
Separately from that, I understand its popular to not be enamored with other teams prospects but Simmons is, even without an outside shot, the clear best prospect from that draft. He's incredible, you folks need to watch more 76ers games if you're low on him.
He didn't enter the draft hurt, so yeah I'm assuming he wouldn't have gotten hurt and sat out the year. He obviously still might have, but it certainly shouldn't be assumed since he got hurt in a Sixers team scrimmage.
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1st overall pick makes 6.1 million, 3rd makes 4.95. Not sure how that equates into the Bradley/Marcus trades or subsequent moves thereafter. I remember it was close.
I think saltlover meant that Ainge would have found a way to keep Avery because they wouldn't have had Jaylen to step in as their two way guard replacement.
Do you think DA still makes the Irving trade?
My point was to sign Hayward we needed to cut salary. With the 1st overall pick, whomever that may have been, they would've needed to clear even more salary and I'm not sure the salary they cleared in the Bradley trade would've done it.
Do we still do the Kyrie trade? 100%. Not a doubt in my mind.
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Nothing is ever certain, especially with DA. I am almost certain he would have taken Simmons. At this point the best player from the last two drafts. I would have Tatum at two, he will get closer as he matures too. Long run though Simmons looks to have the greatest potential from the last two drafts.
Good thing we could have had both. We wouldn't have JB as Simmons is from his draft.
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“What if” scenarios are fun, But I don’t think you can assume massively different injury scenarios
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“What if” scenarios are fun, But I don’t think you can assume massively different injury scenarios
why? He was 100% healthy and got hurt in a freak injury in a scrimmage. This wasn't a pre-existing thing that at some point was going to give out. Now sure maybe he still has the Jones fracture on a different team in a different scenario, but I think that just seems unlikely.
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“What if” scenarios are fun, But I don’t think you can assume massively different injury scenarios
why? He was 100% healthy and got hurt in a freak injury in a scrimmage. This wasn't a pre-existing thing that at some point was going to give out. Now sure maybe he still has the Jones fracture on a different team in a different scenario, but I think that just seems unlikely.
Frankly because it makes debate impossible if you can take that many liberties with reality.
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“What if” scenarios are fun, But I don’t think you can assume massively different injury scenarios
why? He was 100% healthy and got hurt in a freak injury in a scrimmage. This wasn't a pre-existing thing that at some point was going to give out. Now sure maybe he still has the Jones fracture on a different team in a different scenario, but I think that just seems unlikely.
Frankly because it makes debate impossible if you can take that many liberties with reality.
I mean, with just as much confidence you could say “ if simmons played for us he would have blown out his achilles and never lived up to his draft hype” or “if he played for us he wouldnt have been injured and in fact he would have saved wear and tear on IT and even more he would have juked lebron so bad he tore his acl and we end up in the finals.”
If you are going to change injury history, its just too much butterfly effect stuff.
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Then Ainge wouldn't have gone after Gordon Hayward, and paid Avery Bradley and those guys.
IDK about that IT4 situation though.
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GS has so many great player s , not sure how you match em up without going over the cap. Aren't most contenders all ready there or on the brink . suppose its what you do to win a banner , until NBA puts a hard cap with no exceptions period . ....get the best and win
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“What if” scenarios are fun, But I don’t think you can assume massively different injury scenarios
why? He was 100% healthy and got hurt in a freak injury in a scrimmage. This wasn't a pre-existing thing that at some point was going to give out. Now sure maybe he still has the Jones fracture on a different team in a different scenario, but I think that just seems unlikely.
Frankly because it makes debate impossible if you can take that many liberties with reality.
no it doesn't. The reality is if Simmons isn't in that particular practice at that particular time he doesn't get hurt