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Title: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 14, 2018, 11:14:04 AM
Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron James? (Idea is trade for Irving and sign George)

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.silverscreenandroll.com/platform/amp/2018/6/11/17448132/la-lakers-free-agency-trade-rumors-podcast-kyrie-irving-lebron-james-chris-paul

Look at these greedy Laker fans lol

I dont remember the last time these teams made a deal. Highly unlikely

But just for fun, who would you want in return for Irving from the Lakers?

Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: gouki88 on June 14, 2018, 11:17:09 AM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: slamtheking on June 14, 2018, 11:17:31 AM
let them dream.  Kyrie isn't being shipped out, never mind to the Lakers.  no one on that roster I'd want over who we already have.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 14, 2018, 11:22:13 AM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: PhoSita on June 14, 2018, 11:22:33 AM
My goodness, why do people think the Celts are going to trade Kyrie the summer after the Celts' own trade for Kyrie proved to be a disastrous mistake for the team that traded him?
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 14, 2018, 11:24:27 AM
My goodness, why do people think the Celts are going to trade Kyrie the summer after they totally embarrassed a rival who made the stupid mistake of trading Kyrie?

Not sure how legit Jimmy Stewart from Felger and Mazz is but he claims someone from within fed him the info , the Celts are already gauging Irving worth
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: PhoSita on June 14, 2018, 11:25:02 AM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: PhoSita on June 14, 2018, 11:25:48 AM
My goodness, why do people think the Celts are going to trade Kyrie the summer after they totally embarrassed a rival who made the stupid mistake of trading Kyrie?

Not sure how legit Jimmy Stewart from Felger and Mazz is but he claims someone from within fed him the info , the Celts are already gauging Irving worth

I want you to look closely at the bolded phrase and tell me what you think the answer is.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: johnnygreen on June 14, 2018, 11:33:30 AM
I don't understand why everyone assumes all of these high profile players want to play for the Lakers. From what I can remember, Shaq was the last elite free agent to sign with them, and that was 22 years ago. To make matters worse, why would these free agents want to get anywhere near Lavar Ball.

As for Kyrie, the Lakers have nothing to offer to a team like Boston, that is trying to win now.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: PhoSita on June 14, 2018, 11:37:30 AM
I don't understand why everyone assumes all of these high profile players want to play for the Lakers. From what I can remember, Shaq was the last elite free agent to sign with them, and that was 22 years ago. To make matters worse, why would these free agents want to get anywhere near Lavar Ball.

As for Kyrie, the Lakers have nothing to offer to a team like Boston, that is trying to win now.

I know, right?  Does it seem as though players have been having a lot of fun playing for the Lakers lately?
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: slamtheking on June 14, 2018, 11:39:17 AM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.
agreed.  I have difficulty understanding how either of those 2 players are almost revered as young players in terms of trade value yet Brown and Tatum are looked as having to be combined to bring in the value of either of those Lakers. 

from what I've seen, I wouldn't trade Brown or Tatum for a package of Ingram, Kuzma AND Ball.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: footey on June 14, 2018, 11:40:55 AM
Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron James? (Idea is trade for Irving and sign George)

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.silverscreenandroll.com/platform/amp/2018/6/11/17448132/la-lakers-free-agency-trade-rumors-podcast-kyrie-irving-lebron-james-chris-paul

Look at these greedy Laker fans lol

I dont remember the last time these teams made a deal. Highly unlikely

But just for fun, who would you want in return for Irving from the Lakers?

Knight?
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: A Future of Stevens on June 14, 2018, 11:43:20 AM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.
agreed.  I have difficulty understanding how either of those 2 players are almost revered as young players in terms of trade value yet Brown and Tatum are looked as having to be combined to bring in the value of either of those Lakers. 

from what I've seen, I wouldn't trade Brown or Tatum for a package of Ingram, Kuzma AND Ball.


I understand why Ingram is viewed in a similar light to Brown in terms of trade value. I personally would laugh at an offer of Ingram for Brown, but I understand why some people consider them in a similar range of value. Tatum is in a league of his own when it comes to trade value. Kuzma and Ball are likely a tier below or further than Brown.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Roy H. on June 14, 2018, 11:46:21 AM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.

You think Ingram is a borderline starter? 

17 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 39.0% 3PT%?

Which bench players are producing like that, let alone at 20 years old?
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: gouki88 on June 14, 2018, 11:47:05 AM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough
Definitely not for Ingram, or any other pupu platter the Lakers could put together. Kuzma and Ingram could be decent to strong starters on solid teams. But neither would start here.

Ball is garbage
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Donoghus on June 14, 2018, 11:47:51 AM
Yeah, let's do business with the Lakers and help them out.   ::)
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: gift on June 14, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
I don't understand why everyone assumes all of these high profile players want to play for the Lakers. From what I can remember, Shaq was the last elite free agent to sign with them, and that was 22 years ago. To make matters worse, why would these free agents want to get anywhere near Lavar Ball.

As for Kyrie, the Lakers have nothing to offer to a team like Boston, that is trying to win now.

The Lakers have been rejected more lately than desired. But to be fair, Dwight Howard, an old Steve Nash, Chris Paul all wanted to go there. Then they didn't really have money for a while and when they did, they weren't very good. I'm not saying it's the destination it once was, but saying it's not a desirable place to play is sort of like how people were talking about how Boston never signs good free agents. It's all about circumstance.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Csfan1984 on June 14, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Lakers have no shot at trading for Irving.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Moranis on June 14, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
sign and trade for Thomas?

Ha ha.  In all seriousness, trading Irving for prospects just doesn't make sense for this Celtics team.  I think in a vacuum though Ingram and Ball/Kuzma for Irving is probably solid value given the uncertainty with both Irving's knee and contract situation.  Again though, that type o trade makes no sense for Boston in its current position.  Now if there was a 3rd team with a star coming back to Boston in the trade, that would make more sense. 

Something like

Bos - Kawhi, Ball
LAL - Irving,
SAS - Ingram, Morris, Rozier, Bos 19 1st

In a vacuum, that seems like reasonable enough value for all 3 teams.  Though unless Leonard and Irving both ask out, I don't see why either of those teams would make that trade.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Birdman on June 14, 2018, 12:03:45 PM
Lakers be last team in NBA i do business with!
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: PhoSita on June 14, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.

You think Ingram is a borderline starter? 

17 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 39.0% 3PT%?

Which bench players are producing like that, let alone at 20 years old?

On a good team Ingram wouldn't be producing like that.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Donoghus on June 14, 2018, 12:11:56 PM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.

You think Ingram is a borderline starter? 

17 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 39.0% 3PT%?

Which bench players are producing like that, let alone at 20 years old?

On a good team Ingram wouldn't be producing like that.

If you swapped Brown with Ingram last season, you don't think he'd be putting up some pretty solid production?  I think he would.  Maybe not as great as Jaylen did but I don't think the dropoff would be terrible.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: PhoSita on June 14, 2018, 12:15:59 PM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.

You think Ingram is a borderline starter? 

17 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 39.0% 3PT%?

Which bench players are producing like that, let alone at 20 years old?

On a good team Ingram wouldn't be producing like that.

If you swapped Brown with Ingram last season, you don't think he'd be putting up some pretty solid production?  I think he would.  Maybe not as great as Jaylen did but I don't think the dropoff would be terrible.

I don't think he would be able to produce in the same way, no, and I think he'd be much less of an asset defensively compared to Jaylen.


Ingram is more of an isolation scorer than Jaylen, doesn't have the same tools to make the most of limited touches or opportunities. Not as prolific an outside shooter.  Wants to play like a slower poor man's Durant.  I don't think that would fit in the offense of a team with multiple capable scorers.  He would come off the bench.

I think on a good team Ingram is putting up 10-12 points per game with a handful of rebounds and assists in a 25 mpg type of role.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 14, 2018, 12:18:58 PM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.

You think Ingram is a borderline starter? 

17 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 39.0% 3PT%?

Which bench players are producing like that, let alone at 20 years old?

On a good team Ingram wouldn't be producing like that.

If you swapped Brown with Ingram last season, you don't think he'd be putting up some pretty solid production?  I think he would.  Maybe not as great as Jaylen did but I don't think the dropoff would be terrible.

the downside of Ingram though is that he has been injury prone so far (wear and tear).  Brown has been durable for the most part
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Donoghus on June 14, 2018, 12:25:55 PM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.

You think Ingram is a borderline starter? 

17 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 39.0% 3PT%?

Which bench players are producing like that, let alone at 20 years old?

On a good team Ingram wouldn't be producing like that.

If you swapped Brown with Ingram last season, you don't think he'd be putting up some pretty solid production?  I think he would.  Maybe not as great as Jaylen did but I don't think the dropoff would be terrible.

the downside of Ingram though is that he has been injury prone so far (wear and tear).  Brown has been durable for the most part

He had one rough year.  Last season. 

He played 79 games his rookie season & played 36 games in his one season at Duke

To say he's been "injury prone" is a bit disingenuous.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: wiley on June 14, 2018, 12:28:28 PM
sign and trade for Thomas?

Ha ha.  In all seriousness, trading Irving for prospects just doesn't make sense for this Celtics team.  I think in a vacuum though Ingram and Ball/Kuzma for Irving is probably solid value given the uncertainty with both Irving's knee and contract situation.  Again though, that type o trade makes no sense for Boston in its current position.  Now if there was a 3rd team with a star coming back to Boston in the trade, that would make more sense. 

Something like

Bos - Kawhi, Ball
LAL - Irving,
SAS - Ingram, Morris, Rozier, Bos 19 1st

In a vacuum, that seems like reasonable enough value for all 3 teams.  Though unless Leonard and Irving both ask out, I don't see why either of those teams would make that trade.

If Irving asked out of Boston...The Celtics would gladly add Leonard...

But the above trade shafts the Spurs and the Lakers make out like bandits.  So:

To Boston:  Leonard, Lakers 2018 first
To Lakers:  Irving
To Spurs:  Ingram, Ball, Morris, Clippers pick, Memphis pick, Lakers 2020 first

a little better but I think the Spurs still reject it...they'd want Sac pick instead of Memphis/LA picks...then it gets too pricey for Celtics.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: slamtheking on June 14, 2018, 12:31:33 PM
sign and trade for Thomas?

Ha ha.  In all seriousness, trading Irving for prospects just doesn't make sense for this Celtics team.  I think in a vacuum though Ingram and Ball/Kuzma for Irving is probably solid value given the uncertainty with both Irving's knee and contract situation.  Again though, that type o trade makes no sense for Boston in its current position.  Now if there was a 3rd team with a star coming back to Boston in the trade, that would make more sense. 

Something like

Bos - Kawhi, Ball
LAL - Irving,
SAS - Ingram, Morris, Rozier, Bos 19 1st

In a vacuum, that seems like reasonable enough value for all 3 teams.  Though unless Leonard and Irving both ask out, I don't see why either of those teams would make that trade.

If Irving asked out of Boston...The Celtics would gladly add Leonard...

But the above trade shafts the Spurs and the Lakers make out like bandits.  So:

To Boston:  Leonard, Lakers 2018 first
To Lakers:  Irving
To Spurs:  Ingram, Ball, Morris, Clippers pick, Memphis pick, Lakers 2020 first

a little better but I think the Spurs still reject it...they'd want Sac pick instead of Memphis/LA picks...then it gets too pricey for Celtics.
slight problem there --  the Laker's first round pick this year belongs to Philly
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Roy H. on June 14, 2018, 12:40:18 PM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.

You think Ingram is a borderline starter? 

17 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 39.0% 3PT%?

Which bench players are producing like that, let alone at 20 years old?

On a good team Ingram wouldn't be producing like that.

If you swapped Brown with Ingram last season, you don't think he'd be putting up some pretty solid production?  I think he would.  Maybe not as great as Jaylen did but I don't think the dropoff would be terrible.

I also don’t think Ingram’s production is due to being on a “bad” team. The Lakers wentsomething like 16-7 in the last 23 games he played. Him taking a bigger role directly impacted wins.

He’s 20 years old and played really well.  Lakers fans have a right to value him highly.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: wiley on June 14, 2018, 12:45:35 PM
sign and trade for Thomas?

Ha ha.  In all seriousness, trading Irving for prospects just doesn't make sense for this Celtics team.  I think in a vacuum though Ingram and Ball/Kuzma for Irving is probably solid value given the uncertainty with both Irving's knee and contract situation.  Again though, that type o trade makes no sense for Boston in its current position.  Now if there was a 3rd team with a star coming back to Boston in the trade, that would make more sense. 

Something like

Bos - Kawhi, Ball
LAL - Irving,
SAS - Ingram, Morris, Rozier, Bos 19 1st

In a vacuum, that seems like reasonable enough value for all 3 teams.  Though unless Leonard and Irving both ask out, I don't see why either of those teams would make that trade.

If Irving asked out of Boston...The Celtics would gladly add Leonard...

But the above trade shafts the Spurs and the Lakers make out like bandits.  So:

To Boston:  Leonard, Lakers 2018 first
To Lakers:  Irving
To Spurs:  Ingram, Ball, Morris, Clippers pick, Memphis pick, Lakers 2020 first

a little better but I think the Spurs still reject it...they'd want Sac pick instead of Memphis/LA picks...then it gets too pricey for Celtics.
slight problem there --  the Laker's first round pick this year belongs to Philly

Oh..I meant pick 25.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Big333223 on June 14, 2018, 12:53:32 PM
sign and trade for Thomas?

Ha ha.  In all seriousness, trading Irving for prospects just doesn't make sense for this Celtics team.  I think in a vacuum though Ingram and Ball/Kuzma for Irving is probably solid value given the uncertainty with both Irving's knee and contract situation.  Again though, that type o trade makes no sense for Boston in its current position.  Now if there was a 3rd team with a star coming back to Boston in the trade, that would make more sense. 

Something like

Bos - Kawhi, Ball
LAL - Irving,
SAS - Ingram, Morris, Rozier, Bos 19 1st

In a vacuum, that seems like reasonable enough value for all 3 teams.  Though unless Leonard and Irving both ask out, I don't see why either of those teams would make that trade.

TP for the bolded, lol.

But this is where I'm at. We're looking at a championship caliber team this season with everyone healthy. Why would the Celtics take a step back from that?
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: slamtheking on June 14, 2018, 12:57:52 PM
sign and trade for Thomas?

Ha ha.  In all seriousness, trading Irving for prospects just doesn't make sense for this Celtics team.  I think in a vacuum though Ingram and Ball/Kuzma for Irving is probably solid value given the uncertainty with both Irving's knee and contract situation.  Again though, that type o trade makes no sense for Boston in its current position.  Now if there was a 3rd team with a star coming back to Boston in the trade, that would make more sense. 

Something like

Bos - Kawhi, Ball
LAL - Irving,
SAS - Ingram, Morris, Rozier, Bos 19 1st

In a vacuum, that seems like reasonable enough value for all 3 teams.  Though unless Leonard and Irving both ask out, I don't see why either of those teams would make that trade.

If Irving asked out of Boston...The Celtics would gladly add Leonard...

But the above trade shafts the Spurs and the Lakers make out like bandits.  So:

To Boston:  Leonard, Lakers 2018 first
To Lakers:  Irving
To Spurs:  Ingram, Ball, Morris, Clippers pick, Memphis pick, Lakers 2020 first

a little better but I think the Spurs still reject it...they'd want Sac pick instead of Memphis/LA picks...then it gets too pricey for Celtics.
slight problem there --  the Laker's first round pick this year belongs to Philly

Oh..I meant pick 25.
so C's give up Kyrie, Morris, Clips Pick and Memphis pick for Kawhi and a late 1st?

call me crazy but I'd pass unless Kyrie was forcing his way out of town which isn't the case right now.  I'm just not as enamored with Kawhi as many other are.  terrific player but I don't see him as that much better than Kyrie to justify that extra cost especially when we're already in excellent shape on the wings with Hayward, Brown and Tatum. 
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Sophomore on June 14, 2018, 01:01:48 PM
sign and trade for Thomas?

Ha ha.  In all seriousness, trading Irving for prospects just doesn't make sense for this Celtics team.  I think in a vacuum though Ingram and Ball/Kuzma for Irving is probably solid value given the uncertainty with both Irving's knee and contract situation.  Again though, that type o trade makes no sense for Boston in its current position.  Now if there was a 3rd team with a star coming back to Boston in the trade, that would make more sense. 

Something like

Bos - Kawhi, Ball
LAL - Irving,
SAS - Ingram, Morris, Rozier, Bos 19 1st

In a vacuum, that seems like reasonable enough value for all 3 teams.  Though unless Leonard and Irving both ask out, I don't see why either of those teams would make that trade.

If Irving asked out of Boston...The Celtics would gladly add Leonard...

But the above trade shafts the Spurs and the Lakers make out like bandits.  So:

To Boston:  Leonard, Lakers 2018 first
To Lakers:  Irving
To Spurs:  Ingram, Ball, Morris, Clippers pick, Memphis pick, Lakers 2020 first

a little better but I think the Spurs still reject it...they'd want Sac pick instead of Memphis/LA picks...then it gets too pricey for Celtics.
slight problem there --  the Laker's first round pick this year belongs to Philly

Oh..I meant pick 25.

If we are able to send out Irving and two mid-first round picks to get Kawhi (significant upgrade over KI) and Ball (2d pick in last year’s draft) that is a major heist. I know people like to dump on Ball, because Lavar, but he improved over the year and has a good motor and some clear NBA skills.
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Moranis on June 14, 2018, 01:03:34 PM
sign and trade for Thomas?

Ha ha.  In all seriousness, trading Irving for prospects just doesn't make sense for this Celtics team.  I think in a vacuum though Ingram and Ball/Kuzma for Irving is probably solid value given the uncertainty with both Irving's knee and contract situation.  Again though, that type o trade makes no sense for Boston in its current position.  Now if there was a 3rd team with a star coming back to Boston in the trade, that would make more sense. 

Something like

Bos - Kawhi, Ball
LAL - Irving,
SAS - Ingram, Morris, Rozier, Bos 19 1st

In a vacuum, that seems like reasonable enough value for all 3 teams.  Though unless Leonard and Irving both ask out, I don't see why either of those teams would make that trade.

If Irving asked out of Boston...The Celtics would gladly add Leonard...

But the above trade shafts the Spurs and the Lakers make out like bandits.  So:

To Boston:  Leonard, Lakers 2018 first
To Lakers:  Irving
To Spurs:  Ingram, Ball, Morris, Clippers pick, Memphis pick, Lakers 2020 first

a little better but I think the Spurs still reject it...they'd want Sac pick instead of Memphis/LA picks...then it gets too pricey for Celtics.
slight problem there --  the Laker's first round pick this year belongs to Philly

Oh..I meant pick 25.
so C's give up Kyrie, Morris, Clips Pick and Memphis pick for Kawhi and a late 1st?

call me crazy but I'd pass unless Kyrie was forcing his way out of town which isn't the case right now.  I'm just not as enamored with Kawhi as many other are.  terrific player but I don't see him as that much better than Kyrie to justify that extra cost especially when we're already in excellent shape on the wings with Hayward, Brown and Tatum.
Yeah he claims the Spurs were getting shafted and then makes a trade where the Spurs make out like bandits.  Leonard is in the last year of his deal and hasn't played in months.  If he asks out, the Spurs aren't going to be doing all that well in a trade.  I firmly believe the original trade I had would be pretty solid value for them.  They get Ingram, Rozier, a future 1st, as well as a solid vet on a good contract in Morris.  That is a pretty decent return for a player that basically missed the entire season, is in the last year of his contract, and isn't going to return when his contract is up. 
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: CelticSince83 on June 14, 2018, 01:12:16 PM
Def need to trade Kyrie ASAP now that Rozier has careered it at a whopping 40% shooting clip.  Preferably in a deal for a couple nice wings to create more of a log jam for minutes there. 
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Smitty77 on June 14, 2018, 01:28:23 PM
LOL. There is literally nothing they could offer us that would convince Ainge to do this.

They have no guards who would start on this team, no wings and no bigs either. Unless DA and Brad want a team made entirely of wings they’re dreaming

So not even for Ingram?

I do like Kuzma and Hart but these pieces wouldnt be enough


I don't get why anybody would feel that Ingram or Kuzma has more than middle of the road trade value.  Those guys both look like borderline starter material to me.

You think Ingram is a borderline starter? 

17 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 39.0% 3PT%?

Which bench players are producing like that, let alone at 20 years old?

I consider stats from teams winning 35 or less games almost "empty" stats.  Ingram had the 4th highest RPM on the 35-win Lakers last year.  He was 56th in RPM for SF's out of 92.  He was 41st in WINS out of 92 for small forwards.  He was 54th in defensive RPM out of the 92 SF's. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0gtnOXAp-U

His team and his stats do not make him a borderline starter.

Smitty77
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 14, 2018, 01:32:26 PM
Now rumors swirling that the Nuggets are interested in Lebron  ;D

He is going to take the league for hostage come July 1st.   Hopefully he decides quickly
Title: Re: Podcast: Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving if they miss out on LeBron?
Post by: pearljammer10 on June 14, 2018, 01:34:27 PM
They've got nothing that helps us that's equal value to Kyrie right now.