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Re: #DeflateGate
« Reply #2745 on: September 03, 2015, 12:08:15 PM »

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So does Brady go after the NFL for slander and/or does Kraft go after the NFL for the picks and fine back? 

At the very least, I feel like Brady and Kraft should at least threaten to do both unless Goodell drops any notion of an appeal.
The finding was about the dispute process, not on the facts of the matter. It doesn't comment on that directly though if you read the opinion is pretty clear the Judge didn't think much of the "independent" investigation.

Thus you really aren't given ammo for slander/defamation or anything like that.

Oh, I agree.  But it could definitely be some useful ammunition in at least trying to persuade Goodell to end this now.  After this embarrassment, does he want to risk two more damaging lawsuits? 

Re: #DeflateGate
« Reply #2746 on: September 03, 2015, 12:12:47 PM »

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« Reply #2747 on: September 03, 2015, 12:14:16 PM »

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So does Brady go after the NFL for slander and/or does Kraft go after the NFL for the picks and fine back? 

At the very least, I feel like Brady and Kraft should at least threaten to do both unless Goodell drops any notion of an appeal.
The finding was about the dispute process, not on the facts of the matter. It doesn't comment on that directly though if you read the opinion is pretty clear the Judge didn't think much of the "independent" investigation.

Thus you really aren't given ammo for slander/defamation or anything like that.

Oh, I agree.  But it could definitely be some useful ammunition in at least trying to persuade Goodell to end this now.  After this embarrassment, does he want to risk two more damaging lawsuits?

Conversely, I think Brady is done with lawsuits and just wants to get all this crap behind him.  I doubt he wants to open up the Pandora's box of a slander suit.  He won't.


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Re: #DeflateGate
« Reply #2748 on: September 03, 2015, 12:19:10 PM »

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Goodell just issued statement saying they will appeal.

Re: #DeflateGate
« Reply #2749 on: September 03, 2015, 12:21:35 PM »

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Goodell just issued statement saying they will appeal.

Of course.  Because of "integrity" & "protecting the shield".  SMH.  :P


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Re: #DeflateGate
« Reply #2750 on: September 03, 2015, 12:22:48 PM »

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Was there any doubt, though? There's no way they weren't going to appeal it.
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« Reply #2751 on: September 03, 2015, 12:29:19 PM »

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Re: #DeflateGate
« Reply #2752 on: September 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM »

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« Reply #2753 on: September 03, 2015, 12:40:14 PM »

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The longer this goes, the more I think it means Berman is siding with Brady.  If he were ruling for the NFL I would think his opinion would be short and not terribly complex, possibly just saying upheld and maybe citing a case or two of Courts deferring to arbitration in CBA agreements. 

I don't think he would go through all of the NFLPA's arguments and try to cite why they don't apply with reasoning and cite cases on them. 

If he is siding with Brady and the NFLPA he wouldn't just rest it on one issue, he would set a bunch of failures of the NFL to abide by the CBA and how each of them means the NFL can't win.  That sets up a much more difficult appeal for the NFL because the Appellate Court then has to reject each of the points and that would be hard to do.

That would take his clerks a lot longer to fashion than simply citing a couple cases and saying the Court defers to the arbiter.
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« Reply #2754 on: September 03, 2015, 12:41:55 PM »

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Anything can happen, but I suspect Berman realized a settlement was extremely unlikely before the second hearing and his questions at that hearing indicated which way he was leaning.

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Berman's ruling is remarkably consistent to his mocking of NFL in second Brady hearing. Embarrassing defeat for Goodell

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« Reply #2755 on: September 03, 2015, 12:45:24 PM »

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NFL will appeal.

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« Reply #2756 on: September 03, 2015, 12:49:03 PM »

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No fair. I drank a glass of water and got nine.

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Re: #DeflateGate
« Reply #2757 on: September 03, 2015, 12:52:38 PM »

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Steph Stradley is killing it on twitter.


Stephanie Stradley ?@StephStradley 41s41 seconds ago
Stephanie Stradley retweeted Codfish Johnny
Yes. When I started reading source docs, I was shocked at v+ poor evidence quality. Not at issue on appeal but gross

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@StephStradley J. Berman called infraction "alleged" repeatedly. Strong signal of irrelevant but personal belief in Brady's innocence.
 
FWIW, anyone who didn't see Brady outcome being a good possibility was legally ill-informed: http://www.stradleylaw.com/deflategate-legal-judge-berman-speaks/



That last one was a shot at Munson.
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Re: #DeflateGate
« Reply #2758 on: September 03, 2015, 12:54:13 PM »

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Stradley, McCann, among others were on top of this thing from almost the very start.  Really seemed to nail it start to finish.

As for the ESPN people?  Ummm.... not so much.


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Re: #DeflateGate
« Reply #2759 on: September 03, 2015, 12:58:36 PM »

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Stradley, McCann, among others were on top of this thing from almost the very start.  Really seemed to nail it start to finish.

As for the ESPN people?  Ummm.... not so much.


Munson was way off base.  He initially said that Berman would not take the case, then he said it was a slam dunk in favor of the NFL.

Now he's saying the NFL has a strong argument for appeal.  At what point should people stop listening to him?