Should Brad Stevens be fired?

[jpotter33]

Lol.  Brad’s fault Tatum took a half off, Smart showed the offensive IQ of a rock, Tyler Herro played like Steph Curry, and the team had 18 turnovers.

Brad needs to shore up his coaching and his coaching bench.

his team having 18+ turnovers is his fault yes - because he lets them do what they want- thats his mantra.

What should he do?  Play Semi more?

no - call a timeout - show them the fundamentals to running an offense - have motion on your plays - come get handoffs etc when you see that you cannot rajon rondo laser pass through 5 metre hands - adjust and make it work for what they want to do - not chug shots like its a playground

This. The people defeindg Brad with 'what do you want him to do' or 'he is not responsible for turnovers or three [point bricks' should tell us exactly what Brad is responsible for. What can fans hold him accountable for? Why do team need coaches if they are not resonsible for the team's lack of preparation.

Yeah, pretty much this. Not sure what many of these people think the coach's job really is.

[Scottiej23]

Threads like these are the silver lining of losses for me, fantastic reading.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Lol.  Brad’s fault Tatum took a half off, Smart showed the offensive IQ of a rock, Tyler Herro played like Steph Curry, and the team had 18 turnovers.

Absolutely.  Tatum is still really young, and it's easy to forget that Smart still sucks at creating his own offense, he's just been playing above his head this playoffs.  I am p---ed that Stevens didn't shift Smart to Herro in the 4th, but the premise of the thread is ridiculous.  Stevens is a great coach with a young team. 

[bdm860]

One of the things that bugs me is that the Stevens and the C's don't seem to have any last second full court plays ready to go.  We have how they just ended game 4, and the same thing in the Game 1 overtime loss, and any other time where the team needed to go the length of the court with minimal time on the clock.  The plan just seems to be throw it down court and pray (while Kemba always calls for the ball 80 feet from the hoop) and it never turns out good.

I guess this isn't Stevens/Celtics specific, because it doesn't seem like any other NBA teams have any of these type of plays ready to go either.  Always bugs me though, always makes me wonder why.  Every year in the NCAA tourney there's usually some miracle buzzer beater, and when they interview the coach/player after the game it's always "we practiced that play all year just in case we were ever in this situation."

Maybe it's because the NBA is too easy to scout (run it once, and the other team will have it in their scouting report for years), along with player movement (Crowder and Olynyk would be familiar with any Stevens plays), and lack of viable options in that scenario (as there's only so many ways to pull off a length of the court catch and shoot), but I still feel like having 2-3 practiced plays in your back pocket would be worth it for when you have no time outs and need to go the length of the court.  The players never seem in sync in those moments.

[Ogaju]

Lol.  Brad’s fault Tatum took a half off, Smart showed the offensive IQ of a rock, Tyler Herro played like Steph Curry, and the team had 18 turnovers.

Brad needs to shore up his coaching and his coaching bench.

his team having 18+ turnovers is his fault yes - because he lets them do what they want- thats his mantra.

What should he do?  Play Semi more?

no - call a timeout - show them the fundamentals to running an offense - have motion on your plays - come get handoffs etc when you see that you cannot rajon rondo laser pass through 5 metre hands - adjust and make it work for what they want to do - not chug shots like its a playground

This. The people defeindg Brad with 'what do you want him to do' or 'he is not responsible for turnovers or three [point bricks' should tell us exactly what Brad is responsible for. What can fans hold him accountable for? Why do team need coaches if they are not resonsible for the team's lack of preparation.

Missing open shots does not indicate an unprepared team

turnovers? effort? not knowing how to attack zone?

[ozgod]

One of the things that bugs me is that the Stevens and the C's don't seem to have any last second full court plays ready to go.  We have how they just ended game 4, and the same thing in the Game 1 overtime loss, and any other time where the team needed to go the length of the court with minimal time on the clock.  The plan just seems to be throw it down court and pray (while Kemba always calls for the ball 80 feet from the hoop) and it never turns out good.

I guess this isn't Stevens/Celtics specific, because it doesn't seem like any other NBA teams have any of these type of plays ready to go either.  Always bugs me though, always makes me wonder why.  Every year in the NCAA tourney there's usually some miracle buzzer beater, and when they interview the coach/player after the game it's always "we practiced that play all year just in case we were ever in this situation."

Maybe it's because the NBA is too easy to scout (run it once, and the other team will have it in their scouting report for years), along with player movement (Crowder and Olynyk would be familiar with any Stevens plays), and lack of viable options in that scenario (as there's only so many ways to pull off a length of the court catch and shoot), but I still feel like having 2-3 practiced plays in your back pocket would be worth it for when you have no time outs and need to go the length of the court.  The players never seem in sync in those moments.

Probably because it's hard to successfully execute a last second full court play. I wouldn't expect them to be successful in practice either. I'd be looking at why you put yourself in a position where you had to rely on a Hail Mary to begin with.

[ozgod]

Threads like these are the silver lining of losses for me, fantastic reading.

Never let it be said that us Celtics fans lack passion or ideas on how to improve things from our living room couches, it's one of the cool things about being a fan   

[bdm860]

One of the things that bugs me is that the Stevens and the C's don't seem to have any last second full court plays ready to go.  We have how they just ended game 4, and the same thing in the Game 1 overtime loss, and any other time where the team needed to go the length of the court with minimal time on the clock.  The plan just seems to be throw it down court and pray (while Kemba always calls for the ball 80 feet from the hoop) and it never turns out good.

I guess this isn't Stevens/Celtics specific, because it doesn't seem like any other NBA teams have any of these type of plays ready to go either.  Always bugs me though, always makes me wonder why.  Every year in the NCAA tourney there's usually some miracle buzzer beater, and when they interview the coach/player after the game it's always "we practiced that play all year just in case we were ever in this situation."

Maybe it's because the NBA is too easy to scout (run it once, and the other team will have it in their scouting report for years), along with player movement (Crowder and Olynyk would be familiar with any Stevens plays), and lack of viable options in that scenario (as there's only so many ways to pull off a length of the court catch and shoot), but I still feel like having 2-3 practiced plays in your back pocket would be worth it for when you have no time outs and need to go the length of the court.  The players never seem in sync in those moments.

Probably because it's hard to successfully execute a last second full court play. I wouldn't expect them to be successful in practice either. I'd be looking at why you put yourself in a position where you had to rely on a Hail Mary to begin with.

But do you know what's even harder to execute?  Going full court, last second, with no play. 

[ozgod]

One of the things that bugs me is that the Stevens and the C's don't seem to have any last second full court plays ready to go.  We have how they just ended game 4, and the same thing in the Game 1 overtime loss, and any other time where the team needed to go the length of the court with minimal time on the clock.  The plan just seems to be throw it down court and pray (while Kemba always calls for the ball 80 feet from the hoop) and it never turns out good.

I guess this isn't Stevens/Celtics specific, because it doesn't seem like any other NBA teams have any of these type of plays ready to go either.  Always bugs me though, always makes me wonder why.  Every year in the NCAA tourney there's usually some miracle buzzer beater, and when they interview the coach/player after the game it's always "we practiced that play all year just in case we were ever in this situation."

Maybe it's because the NBA is too easy to scout (run it once, and the other team will have it in their scouting report for years), along with player movement (Crowder and Olynyk would be familiar with any Stevens plays), and lack of viable options in that scenario (as there's only so many ways to pull off a length of the court catch and shoot), but I still feel like having 2-3 practiced plays in your back pocket would be worth it for when you have no time outs and need to go the length of the court.  The players never seem in sync in those moments.

Probably because it's hard to successfully execute a last second full court play. I wouldn't expect them to be successful in practice either. I'd be looking at why you put yourself in a position where you had to rely on a Hail Mary to begin with.

But do you know what's even harder to execute?  Going full court, last second, with no play. 

I'm guessing they had a play they just executed it bad 

[scaryjerry]

Lol.  Brad’s fault Tatum took a half off, Smart showed the offensive IQ of a rock, Tyler Herro played like Steph Curry, and the team had 18 turnovers.

Absolutely.  Tatum is still really young, and it's easy to forget that Smart still sucks at creating his own offense, he's just been playing above his head this playoffs.  I am p---ed that Stevens didn't shift Smart to Herro in the 4th, but the premise of the thread is ridiculous.  Stevens is a great coach with a young team.

Idk if brad is a great coach..

I know he’s a good coach that can make the playoffs and make the east finals

[tarheelsxxiii]

Lol.  Brad’s fault Tatum took a half off, Smart showed the offensive IQ of a rock, Tyler Herro played like Steph Curry, and the team had 18 turnovers.

Absolutely.  Tatum is still really young, and it's easy to forget that Smart still sucks at creating his own offense, he's just been playing above his head this playoffs.  I am p---ed that Stevens didn't shift Smart to Herro in the 4th, but the premise of the thread is ridiculous.  Stevens is a great coach with a young team.

Idk if brad is a great coach..

I know he’s a good coach that can make the playoffs and make the east finals

You could probably convince me to concede on that.  But if he's good enough to make the ECF, I'm happy to roll with him.  And we are still a very young team.

[ozgod]

https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1308974390269415426

I do fault Brad for not sitting Smart in the 4th...I know Smartacus impacts winning and I want him to be a Celtic for life, but he was starting to grow a cape and thinking he had to make all the plays to bring the Cs home...at that point he probably needed to sit. He turned the ball over a lot and took bad 3s during that period.

The thing with Smart, is he makes winning plays so Brad probably decided to take the bad with the good and he probably wanted to go with his "Best Five" but it didn't work quite as well tonight as it did in Game 3.

[Tr1boy]

https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1308974390269415426

How about Timelord going +10 and instead kept going back to Theis who is Bams puppet.

Is that also not Brad fault?

[ozgod]

https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1308974390269415426

How about Timelord going +10 and instead of keeping going back to Theis who is Bams puppet.

Is that also not Brad fault?

I could be wrong, but I would guess the reason he didn't go to Timelord more was because Timelord was getting roasted by Herro at the perimeter on switches because he was in drop coverage worrying about the Bam roll. Probably also the reason why Kanter never got put in.

Now as to why Brad didn't play Gwill more instead of Theis who's had a bad series, I think that's definitely a valid question. Brad probably wanted to show loyalty to the player.

[SparzWizard]

https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1308974390269415426

I do fault Brad for not sitting Smart in the 4th...I know Smartacus impacts winning and I want him to be a Celtic for life, but he was starting to grow a cape and thinking he had to make all the plays to bring the Cs home...at that point he probably needed to sit. He turned the ball over a lot and took bad 3s during that period.

The thing with Smart, is he makes winning plays so Brad probably decided to take the bad with the good and he probably wanted to go with his "Best Five" but it didn't work quite as well tonight as it did in Game 3.

Wonder if Marcus Smart is gonna start another shouting match in the locker room and throw things across the room?

Maybe they're gonna quietly pack their bags and get ready to leave after Game 5.