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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #240 on: July 02, 2018, 05:02:00 PM »

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Quote from: GreenEnvy on July 02, 2018, 04:42:02 PM
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I'm could be completely wrong. I have no information. But I did come up with an interesting narrative about the Noel move.

The Thunder intend to trade Steven Adams and stretch Melo in order to get under the tax.

Then, their big rotation would be Noel, Grant, Patterson, and another vet minimum guy.

My trade destinations are:

to Portland for CJ McCullom
to San Antonio with Abrines and multiple 1sts for Kawhi
to Cleveland with Singler for Love
to Washington with Singler for Porter

How can they swap out Adams for some of those contracts and get out of the tax? I didn’t check any of them but some may not even be legal trades. Stretching Melo still has them $13M over the tax. They would have to ship out like $45M+ in salary (just a guesstimate, others will know the exact number) just to save that $13M,m.

Not gonna happen. They are paying the tax for the foreseeable future.

According to shamsports (my new favorite thing), they could stretch Melo, then trade Adams and Singler for Dedmon (which would include a pretty sizeable trade exception going back to OKC).

That would leave them with 10 players, 7 million under the luxury tax, and a 24 million dollar trade exception.

Then they could trade for a guy on a large expiring contract into the trade exception. Wes Matthews, Demarre Carroll, Robin Lopez, Tyson Chandler, Kenneth Faried, Marcin Gortat, and more solid players are all available and if they were traded into the trade exception, they wouldn't count against the cap.

Not saying its likely. I'm just saying its possible.
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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #241 on: July 02, 2018, 05:02:42 PM »

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Quote from: Fafnir on July 02, 2018, 04:36:41 PM
Quote from: Monkhouse on July 02, 2018, 04:32:59 PM
You really think someone like Noel can replicate 1/4 of what Steven Adams brings to the table? Noel barely played any minutes the past few years, and stretching Melo would always help them accomplish their goal.
There isn't cap space for them to ship Adams off to for this year anyways. They'd have to take salary back.

None of the teams who want to contend have that much space, and the teams who are still tanking wouldn't want Adams at that number. It'd remove their flexibility to rebuild properly.

So they're not ducking the tax this year, I do think they could end up trading Adams in a payroll move after this year though.

I agree, that was sort of my point. Who can they realistically take back to replace what Adams brings to the table without having issues/warts themselves, or even not getting the under the tax? Stretching Melo, and trying to sign some 1-2 year vet deals with team friendly options later this year would be more favorable since they can convince some teams next year to take on some of their other unnecessary contracts. Or just eat the cost of Melo's one year, and move forward with some more flexibility/ability to engineer different moves.
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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #242 on: July 02, 2018, 05:03:08 PM »

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Quote from: GreenEnvy on July 02, 2018, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 04:27:49 PM
I'm could be completely wrong. I have no information. But I did come up with an interesting narrative about the Noel move.

The Thunder intend to trade Steven Adams and stretch Melo in order to get under the tax.

Then, their big rotation would be Noel, Grant, Patterson, and another vet minimum guy.

My trade destinations are:

to Portland for CJ McCullom
to San Antonio with Abrines and multiple 1sts for Kawhi
to Cleveland with Singler for Love
to Washington with Singler for Porter

How can they swap out Adams for some of those contracts and get out of the tax? I didn’t check any of them but some may not even be legal trades. Stretching Melo still has them $13M over the tax. They would have to ship out like $45M+ in salary (just a guesstimate, others will know the exact number) just to save that $13M,m.

Not gonna happen. They are paying the tax for the foreseeable future.

I mean, yes, they can ultimately not pay the tax, but the cost in draft picks could be very high.  They are in the repeater tax level, and will likely be there for this season and two more.  If they don’t move Adams, it’s very easy to project the Thunder to a $40 million tax both this year and next, assuming they stretch both Carmelo and Singler.  For a top 4 team in the conference at best.
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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #243 on: July 02, 2018, 05:04:32 PM »

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Quote from: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 05:02:00 PM
Quote from: GreenEnvy on July 02, 2018, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 04:27:49 PM
I'm could be completely wrong. I have no information. But I did come up with an interesting narrative about the Noel move.

The Thunder intend to trade Steven Adams and stretch Melo in order to get under the tax.

Then, their big rotation would be Noel, Grant, Patterson, and another vet minimum guy.

My trade destinations are:

to Portland for CJ McCullom
to San Antonio with Abrines and multiple 1sts for Kawhi
to Cleveland with Singler for Love
to Washington with Singler for Porter

How can they swap out Adams for some of those contracts and get out of the tax? I didn’t check any of them but some may not even be legal trades. Stretching Melo still has them $13M over the tax. They would have to ship out like $45M+ in salary (just a guesstimate, others will know the exact number) just to save that $13M,m.

Not gonna happen. They are paying the tax for the foreseeable future.

According to shamsports (my new favorite thing), they could stretch Melo, then trade Adams and Singler for Dedmon (which would include a pretty sizeable trade exception going back to OKC).

That would leave them with 10 players, 7 million under the luxury tax, and a 24 million dollar trade exception.

Not saying its likely. I'm just saying its possible.

Once again, signing PG-13 pretty much denies that innate ability to move contracts, because they already committed to trying to win a championship. If they trade Adams to get under the tax, that would not only alienate Russ, but also frustrate PG-13 in the same process. Not smart negotiation.
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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #244 on: July 02, 2018, 05:09:38 PM »

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« Reply #245 on: July 02, 2018, 05:20:39 PM »

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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #246 on: July 02, 2018, 05:23:57 PM »

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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #247 on: July 02, 2018, 05:25:57 PM »

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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #248 on: July 02, 2018, 05:38:02 PM »

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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #249 on: July 02, 2018, 05:44:52 PM »

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"Lakers certainly have cleared the path to @boogiecousins with their moves."

What do they have for space?
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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #250 on: July 02, 2018, 05:49:48 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on July 02, 2018, 05:44:52 PM
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What do they have for space?

$13.8 mil per Bobby Marks

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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #251 on: July 02, 2018, 05:50:40 PM »

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I'm not positive, Roy. But Bobby Marks tweeted waiving Randle created 13.8 where another tweet from Mike Bresnahan reported it created 12.5M. So why sign Rondo right afterward at 9m if you're going for Boog?
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Re: Summer 2018 Rumored Moves
« Reply #252 on: July 02, 2018, 05:52:19 PM »

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Quote from: Mike Pemulis on July 02, 2018, 05:50:40 PM
I'm not positive, Roy. But Bobby Marks tweeted waiving Randle created 13.8 where another tweet from Mike Bresnahan reported it created 12.5M. So why sign Rondo right afterward at 9m if you're going for Boog?

I don't know about the money, but I know Boogie has long been a fan of Rondo.
So the fit might make sense between those two.

The fit with Lebron and all the rest...smh lol.
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« Reply #253 on: July 02, 2018, 06:04:30 PM »

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« Reply #254 on: July 02, 2018, 06:05:44 PM »

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