I hope the guys have something left in the tank after last night! Go Celtics!!Luckily Utah is facing us after playing yesterday, so they should be flat
Hoping Gordon plays great and we win by 30. Stick it to the Jazz fans for their treatment.
Best thing about back to back home games is we get back to back Tommy!
Refs miss the walk!As per usual sadly
Jaylen's D so far has been outstanding.
Jaylen's D so far has been outstanding.
Hayward has twice passed up shots near the rim to kick it out. I want him shooting those.
Jaylen's D so far has been outstanding.
He's a really good defender...
Mitchell has become quite the gunner, launching shots with no conscience
The Ingles-Gobert PnR is half their offence, lolDidn't Ingles score like a billion points vs us last game?
The Ingles-Gobert PnR is half their offence, lolDidn't Ingles score like a billion points vs us last game?
I would appreciate if Brown would please stop shooting 3sHa, ikr
I would appreciate if Brown would please stop shooting 3sHah. Funny that the next play was a 3 point attempt by him. (And a make. But I agree.)
I would appreciate if Brown would please stop shooting 3s
How does Gobert not think that is a foul? He clearly knocked Smart off balance in mid-air after he grabbed the rebound
Smart's bringing it tonight
For the most part, it seems like we've finally got it into our heads to go to the basket. We've been attacking the rim much more tonight than other games.
Man Rozier is just so average
I’m trying my best to be less negative.Man Rozier is just so average
That's being way too kind if we're talking about this season.
The Celtics are getting some calls tonight...
FT shooting been bad tonight so farIt’s infectious
Man Rozier is just so average
what is that now? 4 or 5 missed free throws?
Gordon has to start taking some shoots sooner rather than later, the defense is just waiting for those kickoout passesYeah, I’d rather he just force it to the ring
Speak of the devilGordon has to start taking some shoots sooner rather than later, the defense is just waiting for those kickoout passesYeah, I’d rather he just force it to the ring
TurnoversIn what world is terrible defence normal?
Terrible defense
Lazy offense
Celtics back to normal
TurnoversIn what world is terrible defence normal?
Terrible defense
Lazy offense
Celtics back to normal
Yet still I think the top ranked defence in the league. It’s not our DTurnoversIn what world is terrible defence normal?
Terrible defense
Lazy offense
Celtics back to normal
Western Road trip...how many times did they get down double digits? And tonight it is pretty bad
Brad continues to give Rozier and Brown extended minutes and sits Kyrie for long stretches
wow, cetlics 11 for 28, and 1 for 11 in three point shots. :P
Wow...what was Burks thinking?His best Vince Carter impression
Need Kyrie to win another one. Nobody else is stepping up.Tatum was showing flashes, but not enough shots
Brad continues to give Rozier and Brown extended minutes and sits Kyrie for long stretches
Yeah, this continued fascination with Rozier regardless of all his continuous poor play this season is just amazing. And once again Brad throwing some real stinker lineups out there that make no sense together whatsoever.
Need Kyrie to win another one. Nobody else is stepping up.
Need Kyrie to win another one. Nobody else is stepping up.Tatum was showing flashes, but not enough shots
Baynes really does have bricks for hands sometimesmark blount hands
Baynes really does have bricks for hands sometimesmark blount hands
I don't like the clear path call there, Brown was going to be down the court before their guys
Kyrie shouldn't have fouled, though
Baynes really does have bricks for hands sometimesmark blount hands
I don't like the clear path call there, Brown was going to be down the court before their guys
Kyrie shouldn't have fouled, though
I think so, despite Rondo’s best efforts to make him look like an NBA-caliber playerBaynes really does have bricks for hands sometimesmark blount hands
Was it Sheldon Williams who couldn't catch a pass?
I don't like the clear path call there, Brown was going to be down the court before their guys
Kyrie shouldn't have fouled, though
Ya I don't think so. There is no Celtic between the ball and hoop. Thats the right call.
I don't like the clear path call there, Brown was going to be down the court before their guys
Kyrie shouldn't have fouled, though
Ya I don't think so. There is no Celtic between the ball and hoop. Thats the right call.
I don't like the clear path call there, Brown was going to be down the court before their guys
Kyrie shouldn't have fouled, though
Ya I don't think so. There is no Celtic between the ball and hoop. Thats the right call.
That may follow the letter of the rule, but that just makes the rule pretty stupid. Brown had a full head of steam going down the court, while the ball handler hadn't really gotten started. Brown would have clearly beat their guy(s) down the court
I don't like the clear path call there, Brown was going to be down the court before their guys
Kyrie shouldn't have fouled, though
Ya I don't think so. There is no Celtic between the ball and hoop. Thats the right call.
That may follow the letter of the rule, but that just makes the rule pretty stupid. Brown had a full head of steam going down the court, while the ball handler hadn't really gotten started. Brown would have clearly beat their guy(s) down the court
I don't think theres any chance hes stopping a lay up there.
Tatum’s continuing tendency to take hard shots when easy ones are available is so frustratingIt would be so nice to have some catch and shoot players.
Tatum’s continuing tendency to take hard shots when easy ones are available is so frustrating
Why can’t JB just be Klay Thompson ;DTatum’s continuing tendency to take hard shots when easy ones are available is so frustratingIt would be so nice to have some catch and shoot players.
I also think he had a layup if he’d spun hard baseline. Obviously easy to say that from here, but stillTatum’s continuing tendency to take hard shots when easy ones are available is so frustrating
He rushed that shot. I like that he recognized that he had Rubio on him and tried to post him, but he needed to slow it down a bit.
You have to like Kyrie's effort on d this year.
Kyrie is not human
That call is so soft. My Lord
That call is so soft. My Lord
That call is so soft. My Lord
Gobert gets so many calls. GoodnessAnd Kyrie gets none
Gobert gets so many calls. GoodnessAnd Kyrie gets none
Boy...for a superstar...Kyrie does not get many calls inside
Well, the fact that we're only down five after playing as poorly as we have is encouraging, I guess.Lol, this has been the case more times than I can remember this season
We did not play well at all but are only down 5. I'll take it I guess, but the inconsistency of this team is maddening.
We did not play well at all but are only down 5. I'll take it I guess, but the inconsistency of this team is maddening.
That's what happens when you rely on jump shots. They play so much better when aggressively going to the rim. Tommy won't stop talking about it tonight. He's right.
We did not play well at all but are only down 5. I'll take it I guess, but the inconsistency of this team is maddening.
That's what happens when you rely on jump shots. They play so much better when aggressively going to the rim. Tommy won't stop talking about it tonight. He's right.
The amount of minutes Smart and Rozier get in crunch time of quarters is a little odd. I want to have Hayward on the floor thereI’d rather have almost anyone over Terry
The amount of minutes Smart and Rozier get in crunch time of quarters is a little odd. I want to have Hayward on the floor there
The amount of minutes Smart and Rozier get in crunch time of quarters is a little odd. I want to have Hayward on the floor there
But then he's in an about half the time he looks like a 90 year old. Its tough.
We did not play well at all but are only down 5. I'll take it I guess, but the inconsistency of this team is maddening.
That's what happens when you rely on jump shots. They play so much better when aggressively going to the rim. Tommy won't stop talking about it tonight. He's right.
One thing I didn't hear many people saying after last night's game is how much Boston went inside against Toronto and how much they benefitted from it. I don't know why they don't stick with that.
Not sure I agree with this. Hayward has been much quicker and bouncier the last 3 games or so. He has been getting a bunch of deflections and steals, boxing out well and leading the break. He is not looking anything like a 90 year old anymore.The amount of minutes Smart and Rozier get in crunch time of quarters is a little odd. I want to have Hayward on the floor there
But then he's in an about half the time he looks like a 90 year old. Its tough.
The amount of minutes Smart and Rozier get in crunch time of quarters is a little odd. I want to have Hayward on the floor there
But then he's in an about half the time he looks like a 90 year old. Its tough.
Not true at all. Hayward looks great out there, he just needs to shoot more. He's making excellent plays on defense and finding open guys on offense while moving very well
Not sure I agree with this. Hayward has been much quicker and bouncier the last 3 games or so. He has been getting a bunch of deflections and steals, boxing out well and leading the break. He is not looking anything like a 90 year old anymore.The amount of minutes Smart and Rozier get in crunch time of quarters is a little odd. I want to have Hayward on the floor there
But then he's in an about half the time he looks like a 90 year old. Its tough.
Bad dunk attempt, but at least he clobbered Gobert
Brown really needs to come off the bench for a bit. He just adds zero on offense. Can't score. Does not rebound.
Bad dunk attempt, but at least he clobbered Gobert
Yeah lol That's one of those ones that's clearly got no chance, but he went hard and made it look cool anyways lol
Brown really needs to come off the bench for a bit. He just adds zero on offense. Can't score. Does not rebound.
He is looking really rough in this one...
I mena, if Brown can't even hit wide open corner threes like that, why is he out there? It's even worse given that he's taken the second most amount of shots on the team thus far >:(
Sorta like the Embiid one, except that one somehow got inBad dunk attempt, but at least he clobbered Gobert
Yeah lol That's one of those ones that's clearly got no chance, but he went hard and made it look cool anyways lol
Bench Brown for Smart. He’s trash today
Bench Brown for Smart. He’s trash today
GenuinelyBench Brown for Smart. He’s trash today
I might prefer Semi at this point.
This team be 4th seed i be happy..be a fight between them and pacers for 4th seed
How do you get a clear path in the front court?
That was an idiotic drive by Smart. A 1 on 3 drive with Gobert as one of the 3 backHis shot IQ has never really been a strong suit
We’re Kyrie’s Cavs before Lebron.
Any plans to run anything to the hoop, Brad, or are you content with just sitting on your hands and watching them continue to chuck up crap from the perimeter?even when they attack the rim they miss. :P
I really, really, really hate Rozier. Trade him for peanuts for all I care. Dude just is killing us this year.If only we could trick the Clips into taking Rozier and their 1st for SGA
This might be the worst offensive display I’ve ever seen.
This might be the worst offensive display I’ve ever seen.40% shooting
Under 60 points deep into the 3rd quarter? When is this going to get fixed?on the bright side, the celtics are holding the jazz to only 73 points. ;D
This could get ugly. We need to come to the realization that Brown may never get there.Not one player on this team has played well tonight. Not one. If we have to come to accept Brown won't reach his potential based on a slow start to the season in which he is being asked to take on a completely different role, then we gotta look at the fact Tatum may not reach his potential given his start of season and that he is used as a #2 scoring option. That Hayward will never get all the way back from injury. That Horford is in a major downswing in his career and that Rozier just isn't good.
My patience with Rozier and Brown has expired. Any time you want to trade those two feel free Dannywe all love them last year lol
dont worry bout clippers, grizzlies or kings picks, we going to be higher then them lol
yelpdont worry bout clippers, grizzlies or kings picks, we going to be higher then them lol
Do you copy and paste this into every game thread?
Before they regressed to rookie level playMy patience with Rozier and Brown has expired. Any time you want to trade those two feel free Dannywe all love them last year lol
TRAVELING!!!???
It's a long season and we beat the best team in the East last night in overtime...
More 3s. More. I want more.
Just keep chucking them, guys. Brad is going to let you without impunity, so why not?there are a lot of wide open shots. the celtics should take them. now, if they could just make those wide open shots. ;D
I don't see how you can watch this game tonight and not think that Robert Williams should get some burn against these really long centers...Is he even active. He wasn't last night. That Stevens doesn't use him or activate him for games is telling. The kid isn't ready. Some of you guys just need to accept that. The coaching staff knows infinitely more than you guys do from seeing him in 15 minutes of garbage time this year.
Just keep chucking them, guys. Brad is going to let you without impunity, so why not?there are a lot of wide open shots. the celtics should take them. now, if they could just make those wide open shots. ;D
I don't see how you can watch this game tonight and not think that Robert Williams should get some burn against these really long centers...Is he even active. He wasn't last night. That Stevens doesn't use him or activate him for games is telling. The kid isn't ready. Some of you guys just need to accept that. The coaching staff knows infinitely more than you guys do from seeing him in 15 minutes of garbage time this year.
I don't see how you can watch this game tonight and not think that Robert Williams should get some burn against these really long centers...Is he even active. He wasn't last night. That Stevens doesn't use him or activate him for games is telling. The kid isn't ready. Some of you guys just need to accept that. The coaching staff knows infinitely more than you guys do from seeing him in 15 minutes of garbage time this year.
Jazz fans now in full-effect "WE SWEPT THE CELTICS WE DON'T NEED HAYWARD!!!" or "Celtics can't beat the Jazz." :(If only they could make the Finals so we could meet them. Shame that they’re 1st or 2nd round fodder though :/
Browns inability to both shoot from range and make layups is not fun
Brad making a statement with this lineup.It’s actually working too
Brad making a statement with this lineup.
I am not sure what Brown adds to this team anymore. He has absolutely no offensive game at all. Doesn't board. Defense has been suspect. Guy needs to go Maine to get his game figured out
Jazz fans now in full-effect "WE SWEPT THE CELTICS WE DON'T NEED HAYWARD!!!" or "Celtics can't beat the Jazz." :(If only they could make the Finals so we could meet them. Shame that they’re 1st or 2nd round fodder though :/
And worse....can't understand why people don't take that possibility into consideration. Some players if used too much when they aren't ready can lose their confidence for good. You can ruin a guy by playing them when they aren't ready and they only suck when they are put out there. Trust this coaching staff. They are one of the best in the league. And it's not like they are afraid of giving young guys minutes. Smart, Brown, and Tatum all played big minutes as rookies and we're/are playing 30+ MPG as sophomores.I don't see how you can watch this game tonight and not think that Robert Williams should get some burn against these really long centers...Is he even active. He wasn't last night. That Stevens doesn't use him or activate him for games is telling. The kid isn't ready. Some of you guys just need to accept that. The coaching staff knows infinitely more than you guys do from seeing him in 15 minutes of garbage time this year.
Maybe so, I'm not seeing practice or anything but something different could still be something different....
I am not sure what Brown adds to this team anymore. He has absolutely no offensive game at all. Doesn't board. Defense has been suspect. Guy needs to go Maine to get his game figured out
And worse....can't understand why people don't take that possibility into consideration. Some players if used too much when they aren't ready can lose their confidence for good. You can ruin a guy by playing them when they aren't ready and they only suck when they are put out there. Trust this coaching staff. They are one of the best in the league. And it's not like they are afraid of giving young guys minutes. Smart, Brown, and Tatum all played big minutes as rookies and we're/are playing 30+ MPG as sophomores.I don't see how you can watch this game tonight and not think that Robert Williams should get some burn against these really long centers...Is he even active. He wasn't last night. That Stevens doesn't use him or activate him for games is telling. The kid isn't ready. Some of you guys just need to accept that. The coaching staff knows infinitely more than you guys do from seeing him in 15 minutes of garbage time this year.
Maybe so, I'm not seeing practice or anything but something different could still be something different....
DefinitelyAnd worse....can't understand why people don't take that possibility into consideration. Some players if used too much when they aren't ready can lose their confidence for good. You can ruin a guy by playing them when they aren't ready and they only suck when they are put out there. Trust this coaching staff. They are one of the best in the league. And it's not like they are afraid of giving young guys minutes. Smart, Brown, and Tatum all played big minutes as rookies and we're/are playing 30+ MPG as sophomores.I don't see how you can watch this game tonight and not think that Robert Williams should get some burn against these really long centers...Is he even active. He wasn't last night. That Stevens doesn't use him or activate him for games is telling. The kid isn't ready. Some of you guys just need to accept that. The coaching staff knows infinitely more than you guys do from seeing him in 15 minutes of garbage time this year.
Maybe so, I'm not seeing practice or anything but something different could still be something different....
I agree but every time I've seen Robert Williams play he's looked good....
why is Robert Williams always in street clothes?
why is Robert Williams always in street clothes?
because he isn't good enough to contribute yet
Lol, TPwhy is Robert Williams always in street clothes?
because he isn't good enough to contribute yet
That doesn't stop Brown or Rozier
why is Robert Williams always in street clothes?
because he isn't good enough to contribute yet
why is Robert Williams always in street clothes?
because he isn't good enough to contribute yet
That doesn't stop Brown or Rozier
The more points we get beaten by the better tonight, the Celts needs something to light a fire under them most nights.Weren’t we supposed to have a fire lit under us already
The more points we get beaten by the better tonight, the Celts needs something to light a fire under them most nights.Weren’t we supposed to have a fire lit under us already
The more points we get beaten by the better tonight, the Celts needs something to light a fire under them going forward.
why is Robert Williams always in street clothes?
because he isn't good enough to contribute yet
That remains to be seen...
The more points we get beaten by the better tonight, the Celts needs something to light a fire under them most nights.Weren’t we supposed to have a fire lit under us already
Quinn Snyder looks like a suspect from SVUI’ve always thought he snuck out of the Mafia to coach basketball
why is Robert Williams always in street clothes?
because he isn't good enough to contribute yet
That remains to be seen...
from the last few years with Smart, Rozier, Brown and Tatum if the young guys are good they play. why would we always assume that all of us know more than the coaches? I like seeing williams play too, he is fun to watch, he has special abilities. But the handful of minutes we see Williams play is just a small sliver of what the team sees. I hope he gets into the rotation sometime this year. It doesn't mean he won't contribute this year.
You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
why is Robert Williams always in street clothes?
because he isn't good enough to contribute yet
That doesn't stop Brown or Rozier
and the master of panic feels like Brown should go to Maine. That is totally a reasonable solution.
Quinn Snyder looks like a suspect from SVUI’ve always thought he snuck out of the Mafia to coach basketball
Go Yabu!
well, if it is any consolation, the lakers got beaten like a gong and ball went scoreless in 20 minutes.That is nice indeed
Kyrie's going to need to average 40 a game for this team to win.they did try, but utah clogged up the lane, forcing the celtics to shot from outside. the celtics, as usual this year, had a ton of open shots but simply missed them. but then again, they missed a bunch of lay ups as well.
Ok, maybe not but we need to quit starting games out half arsed all the time. Also, when the 3 isn't dropping can we please change up the strategy a bit?
well, if it is any consolation, the lakers got beaten like a gong and ball went scoreless in 20 minutes.That does soothe.
All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.
It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
There better be some shake-ups in the lineups on Monday. Brown just hasn't earned the starting spot, and we need a change. Put either Smart or Morris in the starting lineup for now. We have to start setting a better tempo and precedent in starting games and stop either getting down early or setting a passive tone that carries over the rest of the game.Agree entirely. Moranis was the first one to call this, as far as I remember. Smart is a better defender than Brown, and they’re pretty comparable shooters at this stage
All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.
It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.
is RW really street clothes bad????I think it’s just because our 3 bigs are all solid vets
is RW really street clothes bad????
is RW really street clothes bad????
No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.
All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.
It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.
that must be it. god forbid its because he might know more than we do. ::)is RW really street clothes bad????
No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.
is RW really street clothes bad????
No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.
that must be it. god forbid its because he might know more than we do. ::)is RW really street clothes bad????
No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.
i think i just entered non sequitur world. ;Dthat must be it. god forbid its because he might know more than we do. ::)is RW really street clothes bad????
No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.
he is the coach...so the buck stops with him..His team is under performing.
For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.
Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.
For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.Tonight’s ugliness
Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.
The more points we get beaten by the better tonight, the Celts needs something to light a fire under them going forward.
The more points we get beaten by the better tonight, the Celts needs something to light a fire under them going forward.
The ugly loss to Portland was supposed to have lit a fire. So much for that notion.
Yeah, one, you're wrong about Jaylen's defense, he has been this team's best defender. After the first few minutes of each half, he wasn't even on Mitchell tonight. In the first 4 minutes of this game he shut down Mitchell and forced Utah to miss two layups because of his defensive pressure on the drive. Then he went to the bench and didn't come back until the second quarter.For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.
Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.
Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.
Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.
EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.
With Jpotter wholeheartedly on this oneFor you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.
Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.
Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.
Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.
EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.
i think i just entered non sequitur world. ;Dthat must be it. god forbid its because he might know more than we do. ::)is RW really street clothes bad????
No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.
he is the coach...so the buck stops with him..His team is under performing.
Yeah, there's about 5 guys on the site that say the same thing over and over again. It doesn't mean it's true. I don't know how anyone can see how Brown played as a rookie and how much he has improved his overall game and think this kid has a low BBIQ. I can't see how anyone could have watched Brown in the playoffs last year and think he has a low BBIQ. That is just astonishing to me.With Jpotter wholeheartedly on this oneFor you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.
Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.
Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.
Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.
EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.
what is BB1Q?
what is BB1Q?
Basketball IQ,
It’s pretty obviously a sentiment that stems from his consistently bad decision making on offence, his routinely poor reads of opposition defences and his overall bad feel for the game and tendency to disappear completely.Yeah, there's about 5 guys on the site that say the same thing over and over again. It doesn't mean it's true. I don't know how anyone can see how Brown played as a rookie and how much he has improved his overall game and think this kid has a low BBIQ. I can't see how anyone could have watched Brown in the playoffs last year and think he has a low BBIQ. That is just astonishing to me.With Jpotter wholeheartedly on this oneFor you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.
Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.
Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.
Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.
EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.
Yeah, one, you're wrong about Jaylen's defense, he has been this team's best defender. After the first few minutes of each half, he wasn't even on Mitchell tonight. In the first 4 minutes of this game he shut down Mitchell and forced Utah to miss two layups because of his defensive pressure on the drive. Then he went to the bench and didn't come back until the second quarter.For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.
Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.
Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.
Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.
EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.
Also, you are completely wrong about his basketball IQ. Players with low BBIQs don't play great defense, aren't the best cutters off the ball on the team, don't improve their handle every year he is in the league, doesn't improve his passing off the drive as much as he has, doesn't miss defensive switches at all. He is doing what he is coached to do....shoot the open three when you have it and be aggressive to the basket and pass to the open shooter on the outside when the drive isn't able to be finished.
Hell, Scal was just saying the same things I have been saying. You can't point to just one or two guys when the whole team sucks. You can't concentrate on one or two games when he was playing better a bunch of games before that. And that it's up to the whole team, coaching staff and other players to help maximizing Jaylen's ability. He barely touches the ball when playing with the starters. Most of the time he sits in a corner waiting for a kick out open three. That's on the coaching staff to use him better and his team mates to get him involved more.
Stevens saying the early missed free throws caused the team to lose their defensive focus and if you can't hit free throws you can't expect to hit open threes.
Brown shot 40% from three while shooting 5threes a game last year. Bad shooters don't shoot like that. He has had a terrible shooting start to the season. A hot month will even things out and make him the same shooter he was last year. His form is excellent. He is just struggling. But the only way to get out of a bad shooting stretch is to keep shooting. Any pro ball player will tell you that.what is BB1Q?
Basketball IQ,
Thanks.... I think you either understand the game or you do not. Brown makes boneheaded plays and misses too many layups. Is that low BB1Q? I dunno seems like lack of execution. Brown is smart enough, he just is not a good shooter. I do not think you need any special IQ for BB.
Kyrie stressing there are multiple guys who aren't following the game plan
It’s pretty obviously a sentiment that stems from his consistently bad decision making on offence, his routinely poor reads of opposition defences and his overall bad feel for the game and tendency to disappear completely.Yeah, there's about 5 guys on the site that say the same thing over and over again. It doesn't mean it's true. I don't know how anyone can see how Brown played as a rookie and how much he has improved his overall game and think this kid has a low BBIQ. I can't see how anyone could have watched Brown in the playoffs last year and think he has a low BBIQ. That is just astonishing to me.With Jpotter wholeheartedly on this oneFor you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.
Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.
Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.
Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.
EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.
Kyrie Irving said the start of the game was an indicator of how the night would go.
"We get a switch with (Jayson Tatum) out on Derrick Favors and we kind of expected him to attack and then that's our first possession of the game."
Kyrie Irving: "Coach just wants us to go play hard for him, and he deserves that. So I don’t blame him for saying we’re lacking toughness at that point."
Kyrie Irving said young guys need to get used to the amount of pressure on them to perform as “part of a great team.”
“If you’re not playing to the standard then as a team we just don’t all click. I think that once we get there and we find that consistency we’ll be great.”
All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.
It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.
Brown shot 40% from three while shooting 5threes a game last year. Bad shooters don't shoot like that. He has had a terrible shooting start to the season. A hot month will even things out and make him the same shooter he was last year. His form is excellent. He is just struggling. But the only way to get out of a bad shooting stretch is to keep shooting. Any pro ball player will tell you that.what is BB1Q?
Basketball IQ,
Thanks.... I think you either understand the game or you do not. Brown makes boneheaded plays and misses too many layups. Is that low BB1Q? I dunno seems like lack of execution. Brown is smart enough, he just is not a good shooter. I do not think you need any special IQ for BB.
1. He came in at 15th for DPOY voting last year....ahead of Smart. He held the man he was guarding to like 6+% below his average shooting percentage, and was one of the best in the league on that. And he watches the ball to call switches when guarding off ball because he knows he has the physical ability to get back and guard the guy. Horford does the same thing.Yeah, one, you're wrong about Jaylen's defense, he has been this team's best defender. After the first few minutes of each half, he wasn't even on Mitchell tonight. In the first 4 minutes of this game he shut down Mitchell and forced Utah to miss two layups because of his defensive pressure on the drive. Then he went to the bench and didn't come back until the second quarter.For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.
Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.
Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.
Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.
EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.
Also, you are completely wrong about his basketball IQ. Players with low BBIQs don't play great defense, aren't the best cutters off the ball on the team, don't improve their handle every year he is in the league, doesn't improve his passing off the drive as much as he has, doesn't miss defensive switches at all. He is doing what he is coached to do....shoot the open three when you have it and be aggressive to the basket and pass to the open shooter on the outside when the drive isn't able to be finished.
I'm legitimately awe-struck that anyone can watch Brown and think his BBIQ is adequate.
1) He's a pretty good individual defender, though I wouldn't say great. But he's primarily an individual defender, not a team defender, which is largely due to his measurables and athleticism. He's completely lost off the ball. Watch him the next game; he regularly gets caught watching the ball and loses his man, along with overhelping at times. He's no Smart or Horford, who actively lead the team from the defensive side of the ball.
2) He's not that good at off-ball movement offensively, so I'm not sure what you're seeing there. If he was, our offense would be much better. In fact, I rarely see him moving off the ball, and he rarely scores off of backdoor cuts or anything of that nature.
3) Uh, it's easy to improve your ballhandling every year when you start at such a low bar. He could barely dribble and chew gum at the same time when he entered the league, and at best right now he is an average ballhandler, likely still below average for his position. That's one of the main factors that limits his ceiling.
4) See above. Brown is still not a good passer. Like the cutting aspect, not sure where you're pulling this stuff from.
5) He's definitely missed on some switches, but with how much we switch that's not really a criticism I can make of him.Hell, Scal was just saying the same things I have been saying. You can't point to just one or two guys when the whole team sucks. You can't concentrate on one or two games when he was playing better a bunch of games before that. And that it's up to the whole team, coaching staff and other players to help maximizing Jaylen's ability. He barely touches the ball when playing with the starters. Most of the time he sits in a corner waiting for a kick out open three. That's on the coaching staff to use him better and his team mates to get him involved more.
I mean, I like Scal, but Scal is an overly positive pushover who is just trying to keep his job. He's not giving any objective analysis.
And I'm not pointing to just one or two guys. Pretty much everyone outside of Kyrie shares some blame, as he's the only one who has really been giving any consistent effort and play lately.
For whatever reason, I think you're overprotecting/giving too much credit to Brown here, pointing outward on all of his issues rather than giving him any of the blame whatsoever, even though he's seemingly not improved his game at all since last year, even in the areas that shouldn't be affected by him adjusting to a new role.
Hell, Scal was just saying the same things I have been saying. You can't point to just one or two guys when the whole team sucks. You can't concentrate on one or two games when he was playing better a bunch of games before that. And that it's up to the whole team, coaching staff and other players to help maximizing Jaylen's ability. He barely touches the ball when playing with the starters. Most of the time he sits in a corner waiting for a kick out open three. That's on the coaching staff to use him better and his team mates to get him involved more.
You're assuming the rest of the year they play at this level. That's naive. There is no reason to believe that this team won't cruise through easy parts of the schedule and rack up tons of wins. They have had a very difficult schedule this far, one of the hardest in the league.All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.
It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.
Agree, but that is also very naive because they will be playing on someone else's court in the playoffs, and they will likely lose because of that.
Everyone played like crap tonight. From Kyrie on down. And Brown was pretty bad last night as well. But he was pretty good for the 6 games or so before that.Hell, Scal was just saying the same things I have been saying. You can't point to just one or two guys when the whole team sucks. You can't concentrate on one or two games when he was playing better a bunch of games before that. And that it's up to the whole team, coaching staff and other players to help maximizing Jaylen's ability. He barely touches the ball when playing with the starters. Most of the time he sits in a corner waiting for a kick out open three. That's on the coaching staff to use him better and his team mates to get him involved more.
Again, I agree with most of the points, but I was at the game and Jaylen Brown was awful tonight. Not just that, there was no fire as he was getting worked by Mitchell. How about getting p---ed off when you play like crap?
You're assuming the rest of the year they play at this level. That's naive. There is no reason to believe that this team won't cruise through easy parts of the schedule and rack up tons of wins. They have had a very difficult schedule this far, one of the hardest in the league.All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.
It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.
Agree, but that is also very naive because they will be playing on someone else's court in the playoffs, and they will likely lose because of that.
The large majority of their games this year have been against playoff teams with a bunch on the road. Who have they played that are truly bad teams? Phoenix, Orlando, NY, and Chicago? That's like it. The other 13 games have been against good to great teams. Over the next 9-10 games they play one playoff team, NOP at New Orleans. Other than that they play the poor sisters of the league. My guess is they will not be close to a .500 team 10 games from now.You're assuming the rest of the year they play at this level. That's naive. There is no reason to believe that this team won't cruise through easy parts of the schedule and rack up tons of wins. They have had a very difficult schedule this far, one of the hardest in the league.All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.
It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.
Agree, but that is also very naive because they will be playing on someone else's court in the playoffs, and they will likely lose because of that.
Dude they are 9-7. That is a .500 team through 1/5 of the season, and they are FAR from dominant in any wins. No way this team is #1 in the East as currently constructed, I would be everything on that.
The large majority of their games this year have been against playoff teams with a bunch on the road. Who have they played that are truly bad teams? Phoenix, Orlando, NY, and Chicago? That's like it. The other 13 games have been against good to great teams. Over the next 9-10 games they play one playoff team, NOP at New Orleans. Other than that they play the poor sisters of the league. My guess is they will not be close to a .500 team 10 games from now.You're assuming the rest of the year they play at this level. That's naive. There is no reason to believe that this team won't cruise through easy parts of the schedule and rack up tons of wins. They have had a very difficult schedule this far, one of the hardest in the league.All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.
It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.
Agree, but that is also very naive because they will be playing on someone else's court in the playoffs, and they will likely lose because of that.
Dude they are 9-7. That is a .500 team through 1/5 of the season, and they are FAR from dominant in any wins. No way this team is #1 in the East as currently constructed, I would be everything on that.
If they get to the playoffs and win 60+% of each of their playoff series games each series, they are World Champs. It's not like this team has been awful versus good to great teams. They beat Toronto, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, OKC, and Detroit twice. Some of their losses have come to Toronto, Utah, Indiana, Denver and Portland all on the road and Utah at home.The large majority of their games this year have been against playoff teams with a bunch on the road. Who have they played that are truly bad teams? Phoenix, Orlando, NY, and Chicago? That's like it. The other 13 games have been against good to great teams. Over the next 9-10 games they play one playoff team, NOP at New Orleans. Other than that they play the poor sisters of the league. My guess is they will not be close to a .500 team 10 games from now.You're assuming the rest of the year they play at this level. That's naive. There is no reason to believe that this team won't cruise through easy parts of the schedule and rack up tons of wins. They have had a very difficult schedule this far, one of the hardest in the league.All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.
It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.
Agree, but that is also very naive because they will be playing on someone else's court in the playoffs, and they will likely lose because of that.
Dude they are 9-7. That is a .500 team through 1/5 of the season, and they are FAR from dominant in any wins. No way this team is #1 in the East as currently constructed, I would be everything on that.
Let's say they do, in fact, start beating up on the lesser teams, as they did Chicago the other night; that'll help their record, but my concern is that it doesn't mean they'll finally start playing consistently well against good and great teams. And how far down in the standings will they be by the time they figure things out?
He was projected to be what Donovan Mitchell is to the Jazz but man JaB is just as much worst... No improvement what so ever from summer...
People are getting crazy over Brown struggling to adjust going from a 1st/2nd option in the playoffs to a 4th/5th option this season...he was always a rhythm shooter that needed a few shots to settle into the game mentally, it also doesn't help that Stevens yanks him out of the game whenever he gets hot. Please remember that he's the youngest Celtic to ever get 30+ in a playoff game, and he did it TWICE on good efficiency against an excellent 3 and D player in Middleton. I'm more p---ed at Stevens' infatuation for small ball from the get go against centers like Gobert, it just doesn't work...He's taking more shots in less time on the court, so needing shots isn't the problem at all. It's his inability to make them.
People are getting crazy over Brown struggling to adjust going from a 1st/2nd option in the playoffs to a 4th/5th option this season...he was always a rhythm shooter that needed a few shots to settle into the game mentally, it also doesn't help that Stevens yanks him out of the game whenever he gets hot. Please remember that he's the youngest Celtic to ever get 30+ in a playoff game, and he did it TWICE on good efficiency against an excellent 3 and D player in Middleton. I'm more p---ed at Stevens' infatuation for small ball from the get go against centers like Gobert, it just doesn't work...He's taking more shots in less time on the court, so needing shots isn't the problem at all. It's his inability to make them.
Also, if a guy is disengaged mentally because he's not getting shots then that's a problem in itself
It’s definitely a possibility. In this day and age it would be hard to avoid all the raving by media outlets about how he’s one of the best young wings in the league and how impressive his playoff performances were - all of which is true - but it may have gotten to his head a bit.People are getting crazy over Brown struggling to adjust going from a 1st/2nd option in the playoffs to a 4th/5th option this season...he was always a rhythm shooter that needed a few shots to settle into the game mentally, it also doesn't help that Stevens yanks him out of the game whenever he gets hot. Please remember that he's the youngest Celtic to ever get 30+ in a playoff game, and he did it TWICE on good efficiency against an excellent 3 and D player in Middleton. I'm more p---ed at Stevens' infatuation for small ball from the get go against centers like Gobert, it just doesn't work...He's taking more shots in less time on the court, so needing shots isn't the problem at all. It's his inability to make them.
Also, if a guy is disengaged mentally because he's not getting shots then that's a problem in itself
Does anyone think overconfidence might have lead to Jaylen not putting as much effort into the off-season? I'm not saying he didn't work hard. I just think the reality is that Jaylen needs to work twice as hard on his offensive game. Sometimes we forget how much of a raw prospect he was coming out of college. Advanced analytics ranked Brown as one of the worst offensive prospects in the draft. As I mentioned in another thread, I really hope this is a humbling experience that motivates Jaylen to put in the same work as the summer of 2017.
Personally I'm willing to remain patient as long as the team is committed to getting better without pointing fingers.
It’s definitely a possibility. In this day and age it would be hard to avoid all the raving by media outlets about how he’s one of the best young wings in the league and how impressive his playoff performances were - all of which is true - but it may have gotten to his head a bit.People are getting crazy over Brown struggling to adjust going from a 1st/2nd option in the playoffs to a 4th/5th option this season...he was always a rhythm shooter that needed a few shots to settle into the game mentally, it also doesn't help that Stevens yanks him out of the game whenever he gets hot. Please remember that he's the youngest Celtic to ever get 30+ in a playoff game, and he did it TWICE on good efficiency against an excellent 3 and D player in Middleton. I'm more p---ed at Stevens' infatuation for small ball from the get go against centers like Gobert, it just doesn't work...He's taking more shots in less time on the court, so needing shots isn't the problem at all. It's his inability to make them.
Also, if a guy is disengaged mentally because he's not getting shots then that's a problem in itself
Does anyone think overconfidence might have lead to Jaylen not putting as much effort into the off-season? I'm not saying he didn't work hard. I just think the reality is that Jaylen needs to work twice as hard on his offensive game. Sometimes we forget how much of a raw prospect he was coming out of college. Advanced analytics ranked Brown as one of the worst offensive prospects in the draft. As I mentioned in another thread, I really hope this is a humbling experience that motivates Jaylen to put in the same work as the summer of 2017.
Personally I'm willing to remain patient as long as the team is committed to getting better without pointing fingers.
He doesn’t seem to have made any real significant strides, especially when compared to his rookie-sophomore jump. His handle looks the same, his shooting is worse, and his ability to get to where he wants on the court with the ball is the same. Very weird
If they get to the playoffs and win 60+% of each of their playoff series games each series, they are World Champs. It's not like this team has been awful versus good to great teams. They beat Toronto, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, OKC, and Detroit twice. Some of their losses have come to Toronto, Utah, Indiana, Denver and Portland all on the road and Utah at home.The large majority of their games this year have been against playoff teams with a bunch on the road. Who have they played that are truly bad teams? Phoenix, Orlando, NY, and Chicago? That's like it. The other 13 games have been against good to great teams. Over the next 9-10 games they play one playoff team, NOP at New Orleans. Other than that they play the poor sisters of the league. My guess is they will not be close to a .500 team 10 games from now.You're assuming the rest of the year they play at this level. That's naive. There is no reason to believe that this team won't cruise through easy parts of the schedule and rack up tons of wins. They have had a very difficult schedule this far, one of the hardest in the league.All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.
This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.
It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.
Agree, but that is also very naive because they will be playing on someone else's court in the playoffs, and they will likely lose because of that.
Dude they are 9-7. That is a .500 team through 1/5 of the season, and they are FAR from dominant in any wins. No way this team is #1 in the East as currently constructed, I would be everything on that.
Let's say they do, in fact, start beating up on the lesser teams, as they did Chicago the other night; that'll help their record, but my concern is that it doesn't mean they'll finally start playing consistently well against good and great teams. And how far down in the standings will they be by the time they figure things out?
They have had exactly one bad loss all season. One. They have proven they can beat good to great teams, especially at home, during a grueling part of their schedule where the best part of their schedule was three straight home games.......IN 4 DAYS!!!! And have been doing this while trying to integrate two stars into the lineup after injury plagued seasons last year while asking three young players like Brown, Tatum and Rozier to play much more limited roles than they exceeded at last year in much bigger roles.
I actually think it's a miracle they aren't 5-11 right now, especially given how poorly Steven's has handled this team this year.
I think it's way too soon to give up on a guy with his talent. However, what does concern me about him is his ball handling. it's poor and he to me looks like a guy who just has bad hands. If that's the case that will prevent him from ever becoming an all star.People are getting crazy over Brown struggling to adjust going from a 1st/2nd option in the playoffs to a 4th/5th option this season...he was always a rhythm shooter that needed a few shots to settle into the game mentally, it also doesn't help that Stevens yanks him out of the game whenever he gets hot. Please remember that he's the youngest Celtic to ever get 30+ in a playoff game, and he did it TWICE on good efficiency against an excellent 3 and D player in Middleton. I'm more p---ed at Stevens' infatuation for small ball from the get go against centers like Gobert, it just doesn't work...He's taking more shots in less time on the court, so needing shots isn't the problem at all. It's his inability to make them.
Also, if a guy is disengaged mentally because he's not getting shots then that's a problem in itself
I’m definitely not giving up on him, but my expectations are definitely tempered compared to at the end of the last playoffs. He just hasn’t made any noticeable jumps on offence, and like you say, he’ll find it very difficult to be an All-Star if he doesn’t change thatI think it's way too soon to give up on a guy with his talent. However, what does concern me about him is his ball handling. it's poor and he to me looks like a guy who just has bad hands. If that's the case that will prevent him from ever becoming an all star.People are getting crazy over Brown struggling to adjust going from a 1st/2nd option in the playoffs to a 4th/5th option this season...he was always a rhythm shooter that needed a few shots to settle into the game mentally, it also doesn't help that Stevens yanks him out of the game whenever he gets hot. Please remember that he's the youngest Celtic to ever get 30+ in a playoff game, and he did it TWICE on good efficiency against an excellent 3 and D player in Middleton. I'm more p---ed at Stevens' infatuation for small ball from the get go against centers like Gobert, it just doesn't work...He's taking more shots in less time on the court, so needing shots isn't the problem at all. It's his inability to make them.
Also, if a guy is disengaged mentally because he's not getting shots then that's a problem in itself