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Title: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: johnk.grooms on January 07, 2018, 02:08:05 AM
What if we traded Marcus Smart, Al Harford, the Lakers pick, and 3 other first round picks for AD, like our own in 2018 and the two highest of ours and the conditionals in 2019? I think both teams would seriously consider it. It gives the pelicans a good young player in smart, an all star, and the peices to build around in the future. For us, we get a starting lineup of next year of Irving, brown, Hayward, Tatum , and Davis. Our bench still includes Rozier, bathes, Morris, semi, and Theis. Why not?
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: gouki88 on January 07, 2018, 07:11:02 AM
Giving up Horford would be terrible in terms of what prospective FA's would think of us, I think. It's also a lot of picks to give up for a somewhat injury prone guy in AD.

Hard to say no, but it would definitely have serious repercussions
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Surferdad on January 07, 2018, 07:13:01 AM
Both teams say no.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on January 07, 2018, 07:42:30 AM
What if we traded Marcus Smart, Al Harford, the Lakers pick, and 3 other first round picks for AD, like our own in 2018 and the two highest of ours and the conditionals in 2019? I think both teams would seriously consider it. It gives the pelicans a good young player in smart, an all star, and the peices to build around in the future. For us, we get a starting lineup of next year of Irving, brown, Hayward, Tatum , and Davis. Our bench still includes Rozier, bathes, Morris, semi, and Theis. Why not?

Is that you Billy King?
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Csfan1984 on January 07, 2018, 10:16:44 AM
There are just too many negatives to trade for AD. His cost is just too high.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: JBcat on January 07, 2018, 10:32:15 AM
There are just too many negatives to trade for AD. His cost is just too high.

I’m thinking this more as well.  Keep Horford and fingers crossed groom Ayton or Bagley maybe Bamba, but I really like Doncic too. Lol
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Moranis on January 07, 2018, 11:07:56 AM
Hey another week and another AD trade thread.  Pretty much clock work one of these will pop up weekly on here
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 07, 2018, 11:09:26 AM
There are just too many negatives to trade for AD. His cost is just too high.

Agreed. Let another team overpay and gut their assets.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: biggs on January 07, 2018, 12:15:10 PM
What if we traded Marcus Smart, Al Harford, the Lakers pick, and 3 other first round picks for AD, like our own in 2018 and the two highest of ours and the conditionals in 2019? I think both teams would seriously consider it. It gives the pelicans a good young player in smart, an all star, and the peices to build around in the future. For us, we get a starting lineup of next year of Irving, brown, Hayward, Tatum , and Davis. Our bench still includes Rozier, bathes, Morris, semi, and Theis. Why not?

Is that you Billy King?

Harsh! 😉

To beat other teams offers we would probably have to give up Tatum/Brown or both. Plus the Lakers pick, plus Memphis/our own. The question is- does our big four with AD Trump GS, and is that a window of opportunity that you are comfortable with?
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on January 07, 2018, 12:21:27 PM
The assumption that AD would want to play in Boston is an empty one. 
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: footey on January 07, 2018, 12:27:06 PM
Danny will never include Tatum in a trade for AD.

Nor should he.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: kozlodoev on January 07, 2018, 12:37:36 PM
Any Davis talks start with Tatum + Brown + Lakers pick.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Sketch5 on January 07, 2018, 01:17:32 PM
Any Davis talks start with Tatum + Brown + Lakers pick.

I  like Davis, but Brown,Tatum and if that Lakers pick falls could be better going forward than Davis. Browns becoming a really good 3 and D guy who can really run the floor. Tatum is becoming a really good all around player at 19, and has shown the clutch gene. And there are some bigs that by the time Horford is done with his first contract they will be ready, and who better to teach them how to play the big position than Horford.

If it was Brown OR Tatum and LA pick then you consider it, but I think Tatum is becoming off limits even to Davis. Just the way the NBA is shaping, you win with wings and swings.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: konkmv on January 07, 2018, 02:48:57 PM
Whoever trades Brown or Tatum does not know anything about basketball
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Celts Fan 508 on January 07, 2018, 02:54:35 PM
AD was a nice thought when we had picks, now that we see the potential in the players we drafted there is no need to trade for AD.  Let’s role with our team for the next 5+ years (plus who we draft with the Lakers pick) and trade players when they start the decline to Brooklyn for more picks and just keep this going until Brad is 70. 
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 07, 2018, 03:47:06 PM
If we were to trade for AD, makes more sense to wait for a lot of reasons.

1. Wait until we have Hayward back to have a missing key piece to the roster to make a legitimate push against any team in the league.

2. The value of any trade chips we would likely include all seem to be trending upwards. Tatum is flirting with "untradeable" status. If he continues on his trajectory, wins ROY, it could get to a point where a player like Tatum would be almost enough to fetch any available superstar, IE Davis, without having to include mich more.

Brown is a little further behind "untradeable," and at the moment, speculative trade proposals are Tatum/Brown AND picks??? I would cringe to have to give up any two of Brown/Tatum/LA pick for AD. At this point in time a trade offer of Brown and LA pick is not enough for NO to say yes, but by the time the draft comes along, with some luck and actually locking in say the #4 pick to have an actual name attached to the pick, NO might have to consider this, knowing AD might eventually leave or request a trade. Then Tatum stays here.

Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: footey on January 07, 2018, 04:58:27 PM
Any Davis talks start with Tatum + Brown + Lakers pick.

That may be how NOP starts the discussion but Danny shoots that down. No way he gives up a 19 year old budding star. Not gonna happen. Brown, picks, sure. But not Tatum. I wouldn’t do it. And believe Danny wouldn’t either.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Ogaju on January 07, 2018, 06:16:11 PM
Tatum is the future.... he is not going anywhere. By the way, AD is not worth Tatum, Brown, and the Laker pick.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: green_bballers13 on January 07, 2018, 09:38:56 PM
Anything but Tatum.

But I imagine Tatum will need to be included. He alone should bring back most of the value in an AD trade.

Tatum + contract filler for AD seems right.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: iadera on January 11, 2018, 10:04:31 AM
No Tatum please.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 11, 2018, 10:16:54 AM
Let me ask this, how good would Jayson Tatum have to eventually become for the Celtics to regret a trade for Anthony Davis?

Special considerations: Davis' injury history, Davis' inability to help his team win consistently, Tatum's guaranteed to be a Celtic for at least 7.5 more years, but Davis would only be guaranteed to be a Celtic for 3.5
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: SparzWizard on January 15, 2018, 02:16:42 AM
Anthony Davis with a monster night performance. 48 points and 17 rebounds. Are we sure we don't want this guy?
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on January 15, 2018, 02:25:02 AM
Anthony Davis with a monster night performance. 48 points and 17 rebounds. Are we sure we don't want this guy?

Of course we do.  But he's also the best asset in the league.  The ask would be huge, and it'd be tough to move Tatum or Brown with how great they've been so early on.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: SparzWizard on January 15, 2018, 03:33:50 AM
Anthony Davis with a monster night performance. 48 points and 17 rebounds. Are we sure we don't want this guy?

Of course we do.  But he's also the best asset in the league.  The ask would be huge, and it'd be tough to move Tatum or Brown with how great they've been so early on.

I'd easily trade Brown in a package for Davis. Tatum is the guy to roll with in the long run!
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Big333223 on January 15, 2018, 06:48:47 AM
Anthony Davis with a monster night performance. 48 points and 17 rebounds. Are we sure we don't want this guy?

Of course we do.  But he's also the best asset in the league.  The ask would be huge, and it'd be tough to move Tatum or Brown with how great they've been so early on.
This. Everybody wants Davis and that includes New Orleans, who isn't going to give him up for less than a gross overpay. Maybe things change in a year or two is Davis becomes disgruntled and his free agency gets closer, but as of now, Davis isn't going anywhere. I mean, in addition to his 48 and 16 last night he had 4 steals and 3 blocks.

BTW, Cousins' stat line last night: 15 points, 16 rebounds, 5 assists, 7 steals, and 3 blocks! And I still don't want the guy.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: dreamgreen on January 15, 2018, 08:51:19 AM
I would think Smart alone with some filler for salary reasons would be enough!! ;)
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: csfansince60s on January 15, 2018, 10:12:05 AM
Let's spank AD and his Pels tomorrow night!

Love AD, but

1.not at what he will cost and

2. The fact that he is SO injury prone (esp. regarding his left knee, which ended two of his seasons prematurely and caused him to miss games early this year) makes this too big of a gamble, irrespective of his perfect fit.

Trading for what AD will cost is putting too many of our eggs in one basket. If he gets injured(which he will, it's just the severity and frequency which are in question), much of Danny's great work will be undone.

Say NO to AD.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Surferdad on January 15, 2018, 11:35:16 AM
Let me ask this, how good would Jayson Tatum have to eventually become for the Celtics to regret a trade for Anthony Davis?

Special considerations: Davis' injury history, Davis' inability to help his team win consistently, Tatum's guaranteed to be a Celtic for at least 7.5 more years, but Davis would only be guaranteed to be a Celtic for 3.5
Well, he would have become almost as good as AD himself, and I think he will be if not better.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: mef730 on January 15, 2018, 12:12:11 PM
I would think Smart alone with some filler for salary reasons would be enough!! ;)

Maybe Smart, Jeff Green and a couple of seconds?

I know Jeff Green hasn't been on the team in years, but he was included in so many Celticsblog trade proposals when he was here that it just seems natural to throw him in.

Mike
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: footey on January 15, 2018, 12:32:50 PM
These Anthony Davis trade ideas are getting so tired and irrelevant. Dude is playing great for the Pels, and they are finally looking like a play-off team. Why on earth would they even think of trading him?  Not gonna happen unless he makes a trade demand.  Last I heard, that's not happening. Now if they suddenly went south, or he made such a demand, then we can start making trade proposals. But until then, why don't we all give it a rest, and enjoy what we have.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: mef730 on February 06, 2018, 11:16:50 AM
In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see

76ers get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick


A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...

Mike
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Monkhouse on February 06, 2018, 11:18:22 AM
In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see

76ers get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick


A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...

Mike

They don't get paid to make intelligent articles and broadcasting fantastic point of views with eye-catching dialogue, I'll tell you that.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: kozlodoev on February 06, 2018, 11:20:27 AM
In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see

76ers get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick


A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...

Mike
Don't we own that pick?
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Moranis on February 06, 2018, 11:26:19 AM
It isn't a terrible trade (Saric and Fultz are high level young players and Amir is expiring, plus that pick is going to be pretty good), but I can't see NO trading Davis without multiple draft picks and dumping some poor contracts.  Philly though can easily sweeten that trade and still end up with a great team.  I mean just adding Hill and sending back Booker makes it a lot more appealing for NO, but Philly has a lot of other picks, including their own this summer to add and a bunch of other young players like Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, McConnell, Anderson, and Korkmaz they can add.  They also have Bayless (who they could swap for Moore).  Lots of potential options and a lot more flexibility than Boston can offer (since Boston doesn't have a lot of easily tradeable contracts to take back bad NO contracts).
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Moranis on February 06, 2018, 11:27:04 AM
In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see

76ers get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick


A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...

Mike
Don't we own that pick?
nope.  those are the reverse protections
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Fan from VT on February 06, 2018, 11:30:13 AM
In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see

76ers get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick


A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...

Mike
Don't we own that pick?

We own the opposite of that pick.
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: kozlodoev on February 06, 2018, 11:33:44 AM
In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see

76ers get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick


A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...

Mike
Don't we own that pick?

We own the opposite of that pick.
So remind me, what are we getting if it doesn't convey?
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 06, 2018, 11:35:48 AM
In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see

76ers get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick


A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...

Mike
Don't we own that pick?

We own the opposite of that pick.
So remind me, what are we getting if it doesn't convey?

Top 1 protected Kings 2019 1st, if Kings are #1 then C’s get Philly 2019 1st
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Atzar on February 06, 2018, 12:12:56 PM
In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see

76ers get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick


A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...

Mike

Actually, I don't see why Philly would do that either.  Davis isn't the best fit for them.  Their three best players would be Simmons (who doesn't shoot from outside ten feet), Embiid (currently a bad three-point shooter) and Davis (a mediocre three-point shooter).  Have fun running an offense with that spacing. 

I think they'd be better off going after a wing who can open up the floor for them.  Paul George and Klay Thompson come to mind. 

Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Moranis on February 06, 2018, 01:17:02 PM
In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see

76ers get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick


A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...

Mike

Actually, I don't see why Philly would do that either.  Davis isn't the best fit for them.  Their three best players would be Simmons (who doesn't shoot from outside ten feet), Embiid (currently a bad three-point shooter) and Davis (a mediocre three-point shooter).  Have fun running an offense with that spacing. 

I think they'd be better off going after a wing who can open up the floor for them.  Paul George and Klay Thompson come to mind.
I think they would be ok.  Davis shoots at 34.4% and while Embiid is bad, he does shot a fair amount.  Covington is good and Redick is great.  I think they would be ok spacing the floor because only Simmons doesn't really shoot them at all (I mean they are basically just swapping Davis for Saric in the lineup, which is a drop in 3 point shooting, but not a huge drop). 
Title: Re: Anthony Davis trade proposal
Post by: Sophomore on February 06, 2018, 04:46:04 PM
In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see

76ers get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick


A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...

Mike

Yeah that was nuts. Fultz is a total unknown. He might shake whatever is bothering him or he might be an all-time bust. Amir and Saric have very limited value. The only “sure” thing is a high pick.

A better Cs offer would be Jaylen (a very good young 2-way player who’s actually shown all-star potential), the Lakers/King’s pick (about at good as the Sixers’ pick offer) plus filler (what Philly is offering). Even that’s too little for Davis.