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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: jpotter33 on January 31, 2017, 05:56:34 PM
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Woah, this is potentially big news if Cousins might actually hit the market. That Brooklyn pick is the most valuable asset in the league right now, so hopefully Danny waves that in front of the Kings to entice them for a trade.
With the Sacramento Kings still outside of a top-eight seed in the Western Conference and little hope for improvement, it may be a matter of time before the team parts ways with DeMarcus Cousins.
Continue for updates.
Arizona Sports' John Gambadoro reported Tuesday the Kings have had discussions with the Phoenix Suns about a possible trade.
It would be an odd deal for both teams.
According to Gambadoro, Phoenix isn't prepared to send either Eric Bledsoe or Devin Booker—the team's two best assets—to Sacramento. Instead, the Kings would acquire some combination of Alex Len, T.J. Warren and draft picks. The Suns own the Miami Heat's first-rounders in 2018 and 2021.
Arizona Sports' John Gambadoro reported Tuesday the Kings have had discussions with the Phoenix Suns about a possible trade.
It would be an odd deal for both teams.
According to Gambadoro, Phoenix isn't prepared to send either Eric Bledsoe or Devin Booker—the team's two best assets—to Sacramento. Instead, the Kings would acquire some combination of Alex Len, T.J. Warren and draft picks. The Suns own the Miami Heat's first-rounders in 2018 and 2021.
Phoenix, meanwhile, would be banking on Cousins signing an extension after the 2017-18 season—far from a guarantee at this stage. The Suns have the worst record in the league (15-33), and their ceiling with Cousins would likely be an early playoff exit next season.
After putting up with the dysfunctional Kings for seven seasons, the three-time All-Star may have reservations about committing long term to a team that is headed in the right direction but remains well outside title contention.
The Kings continue to lose trade leverage every day Cousins gets closer to free agency, so they may eventually settle for what the Suns are reportedly presenting. For now, Phoenix will likely either have to increase its offer or wait and wear down the Suns' resolve.
Uh, yeah, we can offer a much, much better package than that, especially if they're looking for draft picks and young prospects rather than more established players.
And let me remind you guys of what Cousins did yesterday:
46 points on 11-16 fgs, 4-6 3pfgs, 20-22 fts (!!), along with 15 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block, 1 steal, though with 8 TOs.
EDIT: I thought this deserved it's own thread since the report wasn't necessarily regarding our own "Boogie Watch," but please merge with that thread if necessary.
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Chriss
One of len, bender
Tj warren, Knight
2 1sts
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This is definitely good news. My biggest hope us that we win the lottery and then deal the #1 pick + filler for Cousins
Even if that doesn't make us instant contenders, it puts us within spitting distance (and with the assets and young players to improve via trade or one of our young guys making a leap)
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Chriss
One of len, bender
Tj warren, Knight
2 1sts
I can't see the Suns making a Cousins deal without including Tyson Chandler (even if they have to throw in an extra asset alike with Gerald Wallace)
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I want Cousins.
Like seriously.
I don't think people understand how good this guy is. He developed his mid range, stretches out to the 3, can block, steal, and only big man that runs up and down the court with a crossover reverse slam.
And agreed, that is a puny offer...
We can offer Rozier, Smart, Bradley... If their mainly looking for guards, and if we can get the 1st round that should trump any offer the Suns could offer.
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I want Cousins.
Like seriously.
I don't think people understand how good this guy is. He developed his mid range, stretches out to the 3, can block, steal, and only big man that runs up and down the court with a crossover reverse slam.
And agreed, that is a puny offer...
We can offer Rozier, Smart, Bradley... If their mainly looking for guards, and if we can get the 1st round that should trump any offer the Suns could offer.
He scores 46 last night and they still lose
Where is the defense?
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Besides our former players and the spurs, cousins is the only box score i check every game besides the celtics.
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I want Cousins.
Like seriously.
I don't think people understand how good this guy is. He developed his mid range, stretches out to the 3, can block, steal, and only big man that runs up and down the court with a crossover reverse slam.
And agreed, that is a puny offer...
We can offer Rozier, Smart, Bradley... If their mainly looking for guards, and if we can get the 1st round that should trump any offer the Suns could offer.
Cousins has a team?
Fixed.
And are you commenting on Cousin's lack of defense, because I can assure you that is not the issue.
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What's the most you give up for Cousins?
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If this report has any basis in truth then it means that Cousins is on the market.
If Cousins is on the market, then nobody who would reasonably be interested in him should have the ability to out-bid Ainge. He's simply got too large a pile of movable assets including the singularly most valuable draft pick at the moment in the NBA. And I can't imagine any GM gauging interest in his wares without checking in on Ainge.
So IF this report is true and IF Ainge wants DMC, he should be able to get him.
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This is definitely good news. My biggest hope us that we win the lottery and then deal the #1 pick + filler for Cousins
Even if that doesn't make us instant contenders, it puts us within spitting distance (and with the assets and young players to improve via trade or one of our young guys making a leap)
Will we have such fillers? With the new CBA, non-guaranteed money doesn't count in trades (Zeller's 8 million for next year are team option). And Amir-JJ will have expired. Maybe using Kelly as S&T material?
If Cousins is on the market, we must get it done now.
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What's the most you give up for Cousins?
Well, we start with the assumption that we want to immediately be a contender after the trade, right? So that means that we rule out any trade the moves the non-Center starters you want to put around Cousins (Isaiah, Avery, Jae & Al). That gives you your starting 5 that you intend to contend with.
I'd resist sending more than two out of the threesome of {Jaylen, BKN17, BKN18}. They can have two of those, but not all three. I take it as a given that they'd get the BKN17 so it then becomes whether they want last year's #3 over the mystery box of BKN18.
Then they can have two or three out of a any of the other bodies or lower value picks in Danny's stable of assets.
Add filler going either way to balance as needed.
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If this report has any basis in truth then it means that Cousins is on the market.
If Cousins is on the market, then nobody who would reasonably be interested in him should have the ability to out-bid Ainge. He's simply got too large a pile of movable assets including the singularly most valuable draft pick at the moment in the NBA. And I can't imagine any GM gauging interest in his wares without checking in on Ainge.
So IF this report is true and IF Ainge wants DMC, he should be able to get him.
Well, after doing some more research, the report is definitely legit, and the guy who reported it actually has a good reputation and has broke news for the Suns before.
The question is this - how serious are the Kings in potentially moving Cousins? Because this very well could've just been the Suns calling them about Cousins and them refusing when they heard the package, which is significantly different than actual trade negotiations and discussions.
Still, the fact that they actually picked up the phone is improvement from the rumors that Vivek was dead set against trading him at all. Currently, they're in a three-way tie for the 10th spot, but after losing to the Rockets tonight, they could very well be alone in 12th place in the West four full games out from a playoff spot. Further, they have a difficult schedule until the trade deadline, and they should be firmly out of the playoff race by then. Hopefully that will be enough to finally convince them to move on from Cousins finally.
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I want Cousins.
Like seriously.
I don't think people understand how good this guy is. He developed his mid range, stretches out to the 3, can block, steal, and only big man that runs up and down the court with a crossover reverse slam.
And agreed, that is a puny offer...
We can offer Rozier, Smart, Bradley... If their mainly looking for guards, and if we can get the 1st round that should trump any offer the Suns could offer.
He scores 46 last night and they still lose
Where is the defense?
Right, he's the only one on the court wearing Sac's jersey ::)
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This is definitely good news. My biggest hope us that we win the lottery and then deal the #1 pick + filler for Cousins
Even if that doesn't make us instant contenders, it puts us within spitting distance (and with the assets and young players to improve via trade or one of our young guys making a leap)
I'd rather just get the deal done at the trade deadline. I think Boogie added to this roster (for mostly picks and Amir Johnson) puts us at least on par with Cleveland this year. I can't wait to see Kevin Love have to guard Boogie or Horford an entire game, not to mention Cleveland having to play 4-on-5 offense with Thompson on the court at the end of games.
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What's the most you give up for Cousins?
Here's what I offer at most:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gt4shg9
Sacramento: Zeller, Brown, Olynyk, Rozier, 2017 Brooklyn pick, 2019 Memphis pick
Boston: Boogie, Collison
That leaves you with the following rotation:
PG: IT, Collison (who is an excellent two-way guard off the bench)
SG: Bradley, Smart
SF: Crowder, Green
PF: Horford, JJ
C: Cousins, Amir
That's a really solid 10-man rotation for the rest of the season to win games, possibly overtake the Cavs at the number one spot, and get rest to guys who need it for the playoffs. Then you have a really strong 8-9 man rotation of IT, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, Cousins, Collison, and JJ/Amir for the playoffs.
EDIT: Or Amir, Zeller, Brown, Rozier, the 2017 Brooklyn pick, and the 2019 Memphis pick for Boogie, Collison, and Casspi would also be a good deal for us.
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I just posted a Cousins trade idea under the "Just For Fun.." Thread.
Check it out. ;D
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Man, I want Cousins. I want him badly.
I can't seriously contend with the idiotic notion that Cousins don't make us a contender. The path to securing permanence in mediocrity is to look forward to some college kid to pan out 4 to 6 years from now. If there are choices, then those choices needs to be explored. Cousins not only fill our desperate need for a capable center but also a scoring big. That is huge. Yes, we'd be contenders without a doubt.
The way our team is structured at the moment ONLY favors trading that pick for someone like Cousins. Going the draft route would open up many holes in the near future that we won't be able to fill.
Needless to say, I don't want Cousins today, I want Cousins yesterday.
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What's the most you give up for Cousins?
Here's what I offer at most:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gt4shg9
Sacramento: Zeller, Brown, Olynyk, Rozier, 2017 Brooklyn pick, 2019 Memphis pick
Boston: Boogie, Collison
That leaves you with the following rotation:
PG: IT, Collison (who is an excellent two-way guard off the bench)
SG: Bradley, Smart
SF: Crowder, Green
PF: Horford, JJ
C: Cousins, Amir
That's a really solid 10-man rotation for the rest of the season to win games, possibly overtake the Cavs at the number one spot, and get rest to guys who need it for the playoffs. Then you have a really strong 8-9 man rotation of IT, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, Cousins, Collison, and JJ/Amir for the playoffs.
EDIT: Or Amir, Zeller, Brown, Rozier, the 2017 Brooklyn pick, and the 2019 Memphis pick for Boogie, Collison, and Casspi would also be a good deal for us.
Wouldnt it be better to wait until we got the number 1 or 2 pick. We wouldn't have to offer much if it was Fultz and filler.
Then again the top two guys in this draft are slated as future all stars so it's hard to make this trade.
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This is definitely good news. My biggest hope us that we win the lottery and then deal the #1 pick + filler for Cousins
Even if that doesn't make us instant contenders, it puts us within spitting distance (and with the assets and young players to improve via trade or one of our young guys making a leap)
Will we have such fillers? With the new CBA, non-guaranteed money doesn't count in trades (Zeller's 8 million for next year are team option). And Amir-JJ will have expired. Maybe using Kelly as S&T material?
If Cousins is on the market, we must get it done now.
Do you have a source on that? I haven't seen anything saying that
A large amount of the salary would be the rookie contract of the #1 overall pick (similar to how Wiggins was traded after being signed, allowing his salary to count), and then filler like Zeller (if possible) or smaller salaries added together
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This is definitely good news. My biggest hope us that we win the lottery and then deal the #1 pick + filler for Cousins
Even if that doesn't make us instant contenders, it puts us within spitting distance (and with the assets and young players to improve via trade or one of our young guys making a leap)
Will we have such fillers? With the new CBA, non-guaranteed money doesn't count in trades (Zeller's 8 million for next year are team option). And Amir-JJ will have expired. Maybe using Kelly as S&T material?
If Cousins is on the market, we must get it done now.
Do you have a source on that? I haven't seen anything saying that
A large amount of the salary would be the rookie contract of the #1 overall pick (similar to how Wiggins was traded after being signed, allowing his salary to count), and then filler like Zeller (if possible) or smaller salaries added together
Non-guaranteed money doesn't count for contracts signed under the new CBA. Zeller is still good.
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This is definitely good news. My biggest hope us that we win the lottery and then deal the #1 pick + filler for Cousins
Even if that doesn't make us instant contenders, it puts us within spitting distance (and with the assets and young players to improve via trade or one of our young guys making a leap)
I'd rather just get the deal done at the trade deadline. I think Boogie added to this roster (for mostly picks and Amir Johnson) puts us at least on par with Cleveland this year. I can't wait to see Kevin Love have to guard Boogie or Horford an entire game, not to mention Cleveland having to play 4-on-5 offense with Thompson on the court at the end of games.
I'd definitely prefer it this season, but I can't see SAC being willing to trade Cousins for just a chance at the #1 pick (unless we include other assets, which I'd rather not do)
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This is definitely good news. My biggest hope us that we win the lottery and then deal the #1 pick + filler for Cousins
Even if that doesn't make us instant contenders, it puts us within spitting distance (and with the assets and young players to improve via trade or one of our young guys making a leap)
I'd rather just get the deal done at the trade deadline. I think Boogie added to this roster (for mostly picks and Amir Johnson) puts us at least on par with Cleveland this year. I can't wait to see Kevin Love have to guard Boogie or Horford an entire game, not to mention Cleveland having to play 4-on-5 offense with Thompson on the court at the end of games.
I'd definitely prefer it this season, but I can't see SAC being willing to trade Cousins for just a chance at the #1 pick (unless we include other assets, which I'd rather not do)
You do the deal as soon as you can. Sacramento is highly unpredictable, and you don't need Boogie tempted by the supermax deal this summer.
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Keep in mind Cousins only has 1.5 years left on his contract.
No way Ainge makes a big Cousins trade unless he has that long term commitment from Cousins.
I mean can you imagine giving away guys like Bradley or Brown + Nets Picks only to see Cousins leave after 2018...
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Maybe Phoenix is Sacramentos leverage to negotiate with the celts
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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jrdnruc
Add Miamis 1st and their own this year and both teams make out crazy....
Knight, TJ Warren, Len and Benders plus Ulis (decent) plus three future 1st rounders with top ten potential.
Bledsoe
Booker
Dudley
Cuz
Chandler
Bench of Barbosa, Caspi, Collison, Tucker and Chriss.... Win Win I think for PHX
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Keep in mind Cousins only has 1.5 years left on his contract.
No way Ainge makes a big Cousins trade unless he has that long term commitment from Cousins.
I mean can you imagine giving away guys like Bradley or Brown + Nets Picks only to see Cousins leave after 2018...
There are certain players you take that risk on. Cousins is one of them.
Also, the Celtics would be able to offer Cousins a max extension this summer (including a pay raise with a renegotiated contract) that would pay him more than he could get in free agency in 2018.
If Ainge thinks Cousins is a good long-term fit, then he should do what he can to make a trade, and not worry about free agency.
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Keep in mind Cousins only has 1.5 years left on his contract.
No way Ainge makes a big Cousins trade unless he has that long term commitment from Cousins.
I mean can you imagine giving away guys like Bradley or Brown + Nets Picks only to see Cousins leave after 2018...
There are certain players you take that risk on. Cousins is one of them.
Also, the Celtics would be able to offer Cousins a max extension this summer (including a pay raise with a renegotiated contract) that would pay him more than he could get in free agency in 2018.
If Ainge thinks Cousins is a good long-term fit, then he should do what he can to make a trade, and not worry about free agency.
Wowzer. How can you be sure?
Also how long can extensions be?
Celtics visit Kings next week by the way!
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If i were the Kings i wouldn't even talk with the Suns if Devon Booker isn't the first name they mention
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If i were the Kings i wouldn't even talk with the Suns if Devon Booker isn't the first name they mention
I agree but I assume the Suns want to keep him...if I were the suns, I want to be able to build around a star and an up and coming star rather than throw all our assets to build around just one star
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If this report has any basis in truth then it means that Cousins is on the market.
If Cousins is on the market, then nobody who would reasonably be interested in him should have the ability to out-bid Ainge. He's simply got too large a pile of movable assets including the singularly most valuable draft pick at the moment in the NBA. And I can't imagine any GM gauging interest in his wares without checking in on Ainge.
So IF this report is true and IF Ainge wants DMC, he should be able to get him.
This.
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Keep in mind Cousins only has 1.5 years left on his contract.
No way Ainge makes a big Cousins trade unless he has that long term commitment from Cousins.
I mean can you imagine giving away guys like Bradley or Brown + Nets Picks only to see Cousins leave after 2018...
There are certain players you take that risk on. Cousins is one of them.
Also, the Celtics would be able to offer Cousins a max extension this summer (including a pay raise with a renegotiated contract) that would pay him more than he could get in free agency in 2018.
If Ainge thinks Cousins is a good long-term fit, then he should do what he can to make a trade, and not worry about free agency.
Oh wow I never knew that.
Hmm that changes everything lol.
It still depends on whether Ainge/Stevens ultimately want him though.
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Suns offer no more than
Chriss, Len, TJ Warren, Knight and multiple 1sts (2017 lakers 1st (top 3 protected, unprotected in 2018), 2019 suns 1st)
that is not a bad return for the boogieman
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Keep in mind Cousins only has 1.5 years left on his contract.
No way Ainge makes a big Cousins trade unless he has that long term commitment from Cousins.
I mean can you imagine giving away guys like Bradley or Brown + Nets Picks only to see Cousins leave after 2018...
There are certain players you take that risk on. Cousins is one of them.
Also, the Celtics would be able to offer Cousins a max extension this summer (including a pay raise with a renegotiated contract) that would pay him more than he could get in free agency in 2018.
If Ainge thinks Cousins is a good long-term fit, then he should do what he can to make a trade, and not worry about free agency.
Wowzer. How can you be sure?
Also how long can extensions be?
Celtics visit Kings next week by the way!
From all that I've heard, the Celtics can renegotiate Cousins' contract this summer up to the 7-9 max using cap room and then extend him for an additional four years. If he were given max raises in the new deal, he would make $179 million over the next five years. If he instead played out his final season and then signed a four-year deal elsewhere with max raises, he would get $156 million over the next five years. (These numbers are based on salary cap projections of $103 million next year and $107 million the following year, which are the most recent I've seen.)
In other words, Boston can put a very competitive offer on the table for him to forego free agency. It's less than the supermax deal the Kings can offer this summer if they don't end up trading him, but it's still 15% more than the open market.
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Not sure how this has turned into a Celtics Cousins trade thread
but it's not going to happen
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Ryan Mcdonough on the other hand is fighting for his job and needs to do something
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Not sure how this has turned into a Celtics Cousins trade thread
but it's not going to happen
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Ryan Mcdonough on the other hand is fighting for his job and needs to do something
I will say again. If the Suns are not planning to include Booker in the talks there is 0% chance that they will get Cousins
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Not sure how this has turned into a Celtics Cousins trade thread
but it's not going to happen
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Ryan Mcdonough on the other hand is fighting for his job and needs to do something
I will say again. If the Suns are not planning to include Booker in the talks there are 0% chance that they will get Cousins
who says??
what is the point of the suns trading booker and acquiring cousins? The Suns pretty much turn into the king with such a swap
i think the deal I proposed is pretty good (especially the lakers 1st should be a good one on top of their own top 5-7 pick for 2017)
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Not sure how this has turned into a Celtics Cousins trade thread
but it's not going to happen
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Ryan Mcdonough on the other hand is fighting for his job and needs to do something
I will say again. If the Suns are not planning to include Booker in the talks there are 0% chance that they will get Cousins
who says??
what is the point of the suns trading booker and acquiring cousins? The Suns pretty much turn into the king with such a swap
i think the deal I propose is pretty good (especially the lakers 1st should be a good one on top of their own top 5 pick for 2017)
I'm talking from Kings perspective. Why then trade Cousins? For Chriss, Warren, Bender??? Booker is the guy who will be a star in the future.
But from Suns point of view i agree with you that Suns want to keep Booker for the same reason.
This trade doesn't make sense to me...
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If i were the Kings i wouldn't even talk with the Suns if Devon Booker isn't the first name they mention
TP.....I just got home, and as I'm reading this thread, I can't believe that it took 3 hours for someone to say this.
I know the focus is on us getting him (hopefullY), but you guys are slipping.
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Not sure how this has turned into a Celtics Cousins trade thread
but it's not going to happen
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Ryan Mcdonough on the other hand is fighting for his job and needs to do something
I will say again. If the Suns are not planning to include Booker in the talks there are 0% chance that they will get Cousins
who says??
what is the point of the suns trading booker and acquiring cousins? The Suns pretty much turn into the king with such a swap
i think the deal I propose is pretty good (especially the lakers 1st should be a good one on top of their own top 5 pick for 2017)
I'm talking from Kings perspective. Why then trade Cousins? For Chriss, Warren, Bender??? Booker is the guy who will be a star in the future.
But from Suns point of view i agree with you that Suns want to keep Booker for the same reason.
This trade doesn't make sense to me...
don't forget Knight who is a pretty good PG coming off the bench right now
suns know they have a surplus in many positions.... and can make an addition by subtraction
Cousins
Bender
Tucker
Booker
Bledsoe
looks like an interesting lineup that could make some noise
The kings on the other hand (for next season)
Georgios Papagiannis (for Divac sake he better turn out to be decent)
Chriss
Warren
?
Knight
you can add 2 of Monk, Smith, Isaac etc. This is a pretty deep draft....
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Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Because you say so? I'm not the biggest Cousins fan around, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make a serious attempt to obtain him.
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we all saw no key free agents wanted to go near the kings
not even any draft pick prospects....there was only one or two lotto bound prospects that worked out for the ghost town kings... think about that...no wonder they chose Georgios Papagiannis lol
So you lock up cousins and stay at the basement (because by the time any prospects become decent, kings will prob be rebuilding again)
Better chance at success in starting out fresh imo.
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To be fair, Ainge hasn't said many nice things about Cousins over the years.
Not explicitly but he's said stuff like "Cousins looks like he's having problems" and "we don't want locker room cancers" when referencing or answering a Cousins question from the media.
Things can change, yes, but it doesn't look like Ainge wants to risk it with a boneheaded move (if Cousins doesn't pan out at all and he whines).
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I'd do the Nets '17, Celtics '18, Clippers '19.
As much as I want the kid to stay in green and see what he becomes, I include Jaylen.
You want one of our stashes? Pick anyone you like.
Fancy Olynyk? He's yours.
Oh and Zeller to match.
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don't forget Knight who is a pretty good PG coming off the bench right now
suns know they have a surplus in many positions.... and can make an addition by subtraction
Cousins
Bender
Tucker
Booker
Bledsoe
looks like an interesting lineup that could make some noise
The kings on the other hand (for next season)
Georgios Papagiannis (for Divac sake he better turn out to be decent)
Chriss
Warren
?
Knight
you can add 2 of Monk, Smith, Isaac etc. This is a pretty deep draft....
So the Kings trade Cousins for solid players and solid pick? I'm not buying. Knight, Warren, Chriss all solid players but no one will be a star and the pick will probably not be top 3. Solid return but no star or star in making for the Kings. I find hard to believe that Kings will do such a trade.
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Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Because you say so? I'm not the biggest Cousins fan around, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make a serious attempt to obtain him.
He has attitude problems, talks back to his coaches, does not play hard on the defensive end... technical fouls left and right
you think CBS is going to accept this behaviour?
Most players on the Celtics roster are hard working, defensive responsible , mature players... there are no troublemakers
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HA HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Alex Len and T.J. Warren?!? AHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH.
Though that would be a very Kings-ian trade. :o
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HA HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Alex Len and T.J. Warren?!? AHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH.
Though that would be a very Kings-ian trade. :o
And then you see the ESPN article tomorrow:
"DeMarcus Cousins traded for Alex Len, T.J. Warren, and a second rounder"
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I'm with you on this. He goes against everything we stand for. His attitude could take away from this TEAM. Our super intelligent coach could be constantly undermined by this extremely talented, but proven locker room cancer.
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Not sure how this has turned into a Celtics Cousins trade thread
but it's not going to happen
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Ryan Mcdonough on the other hand is fighting for his job and needs to do something
I will say again. If the Suns are not planning to include Booker in the talks there are 0% chance that they will get Cousins
who says??
what is the point of the suns trading booker and acquiring cousins? The Suns pretty much turn into the king with such a swap
i think the deal I proposed is pretty good (especially the lakers 1st should be a good one on top of their own top 5-7 pick for 2017)
The Suns don't own the Lakers pick. They own Miami's 2018 protected first and 2021 Miami first.
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Not sure how this has turned into a Celtics Cousins trade thread
but it's not going to happen
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Ryan Mcdonough on the other hand is fighting for his job and needs to do something
I will say again. If the Suns are not planning to include Booker in the talks there are 0% chance that they will get Cousins
who says??
what is the point of the suns trading booker and acquiring cousins? The Suns pretty much turn into the king with such a swap
i think the deal I proposed is pretty good (especially the lakers 1st should be a good one on top of their own top 5-7 pick for 2017)
The Suns don't own the Lakers pick. They own Miami's 2018 protected first and 2021 Miami first.
is this page inaccurate then?
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Suns.htm
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Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Because you say so? I'm not the biggest Cousins fan around, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make a serious attempt to obtain him.
He has attitude problems, talks back to his coaches, does not play hard on the defensive end... technical fouls left and right
For a second there I thought you were talking about this guy.
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/2011/01/Rasheed_Wallace_Icon.jpg)
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Not sure how this has turned into a Celtics Cousins trade thread
but it's not going to happen
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Ryan Mcdonough on the other hand is fighting for his job and needs to do something
I will say again. If the Suns are not planning to include Booker in the talks there are 0% chance that they will get Cousins
who says??
what is the point of the suns trading booker and acquiring cousins? The Suns pretty much turn into the king with such a swap
i think the deal I proposed is pretty good (especially the lakers 1st should be a good one on top of their own top 5-7 pick for 2017)
The Suns don't own the Lakers pick. They own Miami's 2018 protected first and 2021 Miami first.
is this page inaccurate then?
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Suns.htm
It's correct you're just reading it incorrectly. The team on the left (Suns) had it, but traded it to the team on right (Sixers) as part of that Knight deal.
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I'm with you on this. He goes against everything we stand for. His attitude could take away from this TEAM. Our super intelligent coach could be constantly undermined by this extremely talented, but proven locker room cancer.
exactly
i mean if the team is winning, CBS might bite the bullet
but if the team starts losing, goes on a funk.........Cousins starts to lose it, CBS will lose it
because what CBS does when the Celts go on a funk is makes sure the team crosses the x's and o's to the tee.... i doubt cousins will abide
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Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Because you say so? I'm not the biggest Cousins fan around, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make a serious attempt to obtain him.
He has attitude problems, talks back to his coaches, does not play hard on the defensive end... technical fouls left and right
For a second there I thought you were talking about this guy.
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/2011/01/Rasheed_Wallace_Icon.jpg)
CBS never had to coach Wallace. And BTW Rasheed Wallace is a saint compared to Cousins
yeah he had some attitude but he was a good teammate and played the game the right way
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Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Because you say so? I'm not the biggest Cousins fan around, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make a serious attempt to obtain him.
He has attitude problems, talks back to his coaches, does not play hard on the defensive end... technical fouls left and right
For a second there I thought you were talking about this guy.
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/2011/01/Rasheed_Wallace_Icon.jpg)
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
CBS never had to coach Wallace. And BTW Rasheed Wallace is a saint compared to Cousins
yeah he had some attitude but he was a good teammate and played the game the right way
I realize that, but as bolded above you said that Cousins wasn't Ainge's type of player. However, Wallace is akin to Cousins in terms of volatile personality.
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Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Because you say so? I'm not the biggest Cousins fan around, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make a serious attempt to obtain him.
He has attitude problems, talks back to his coaches, does not play hard on the defensive end... technical fouls left and right
For a second there I thought you were talking about this guy.
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/2011/01/Rasheed_Wallace_Icon.jpg)
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
CBS never had to coach Wallace. And BTW Rasheed Wallace is a saint compared to Cousins
yeah he had some attitude but he was a good teammate and played the game the right way
I realize that, but as bolded above you said that Cousins wasn't Ainge's type of player. However, Wallace is akin to Cousins in terms of volatile personality.
even if that was true...Wallace could be "controlled". He usually played hard on both ends, doing the little things to make it easier on his teammates
vs cousins half effort picks, pouting/walking back to provide no defensive help (transition)... its unbelievable
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i don't know maybe winning , celtics rich tradition, leadership from horford, hard work from Crowder, Smart could influence Cousins the right way... but its a risk (and for Brown and 2017 Nets pick, is alot to give up)
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The suns getting Boogie without giving up Bledsoe or Booker...Dreaming.
Pathetic Rumour.
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Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
Because you say so? I'm not the biggest Cousins fan around, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make a serious attempt to obtain him.
He has attitude problems, talks back to his coaches, does not play hard on the defensive end... technical fouls left and right
For a second there I thought you were talking about this guy.
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/2011/01/Rasheed_Wallace_Icon.jpg)
Cousins is not neither Danny nor CBS type of player
CBS never had to coach Wallace. And BTW Rasheed Wallace is a saint compared to Cousins
yeah he had some attitude but he was a good teammate and played the game the right way
I realize that, but as bolded above you said that Cousins wasn't Ainge's type of player. However, Wallace is akin to Cousins in terms of volatile personality.
even if that was true...Wallace could be "controlled". He usually played hard on both ends, doing the little things to make it easier on his teammates
vs cousins half effort picks, pouting/walking back to provide no defensive help (transition)... its unbelievable
Wallace didn't try hard on either end when he was in Boston. He was lazy as can be during the regular season.
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Just so everyone knows, Rasheed Wallace has the most money spent in NBA fines in $205,000. That's nearly $100,000 more than the 2nd place finisher of Stephen Jackson at $108,000.
https://www.nbamixes.com/nbas-7-most-fined-players-ever/7
There's also this little nugget:
Rasheed Wallace, who played with numerous NBA teams, including the Detroit Pistons and the Portland Trailblazers, holds the NBA record for most technical fouls. At the close of the 2012-2013 season, he had amassed 317 technical fouls in his career.
Rasheed Wallace also holds the single season technical foul record, which he obtained while playing with the Trailblazers during the 2000-2001 NBA season. He received 41 total technical fouls and was ejected seven times during the course of the season. He also holds second place on the same NBA record list for obtaining 38 total technical fouls during the 1999-2000 season.
https://www.reference.com/sports-active-lifestyle/received-technical-fouls-nba-history-b7b5c626406d40f5#
I think it might be hyperbole to say that Cousins was worse than Sheed...
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Are there any big men out there that are the "Celtics type of player"? Seems like Bill Russell wouldn't fit these days because he couldn't shoot the 3. Russell wouldn't be caught dead outside the key in his day. And Parish and Cowens lived pretty close to it.
I think it's up to the coach to take these guys and fit them into the system, taking advantage of their strengths to correct team weaknesses.
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That is a pile of garbage offer.
Avery, Rozier, KO, Jerebko, BKN 2018, LAC 2019
That's 3 players who likely start for them, expiring money, and two solid 1st rounders. If it took throwing in Boston 2018 I would do that too. Every piece we send is expendable except Avery. Smart and Brown will have to fill the void until we get to the draft this summer.
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That is a pile of garbage offer.
Avery, Rozier, KO, Jerebko, BKN 2018, LAC 2019
That's 3 players who likely start for them, expiring money, and two solid 1st rounders. If it took throwing in Boston 2018 I would do that too. Every piece we send is expendable except Avery. Smart and Brown will have to fill the void until we get to the draft this summer.
That's a super weak offer, too. Avery has 1 year on his contract, KO + Jerebko are free agents, and Rozier has barely cracked the rotation. Clippers picks aren't worth much. They could be staring at zero players, a late lottery pick and a late 1st for a top-20 player.
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Are there any big men out there that are the "Celtics type of player"? Seems like Bill Russell wouldn't fit these days because he couldn't shoot the 3. Russell wouldn't be caught dead outside the key in his day. And Parish and Cowens lived pretty close to it.
I think it's up to the coach to take these guys and fit them into the system, taking advantage of their strengths to correct team weaknesses.
Cowers had a sweet jumper from 15-20 feet. He would have been a stretch 4 in today's game. Banger inside too.
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Cousins is a game changer..
Strong Coaching and a Strong Organization can work on any player. See the Patriots