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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: rollie mass on April 12, 2018, 02:24:46 PM
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How insulting no minutes in last game
Can he be that bad that gets no time with Nets or they saving him for next years tank.
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who......?
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He isn't in their future plans so it is kind of a waste to give his minutes to guys they are thinking of bringing back. I honestly am not sure that he gets a guaranteed contract next year. He may end up in China.
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He isn't in their future plans so it is kind of a waste to give his minutes to guys they are thinking of bringing back. I honestly am not sure that he gets a guaranteed contract next year. He may end up in China.
Someone will definitely take a chance on him as their 3rd string center if he would accept that role.
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He isn't in their future plans so it is kind of a waste to give his minutes to guys they are thinking of bringing back. I honestly am not sure that he gets a guaranteed contract next year. He may end up in China.
Someone will definitely take a chance on him as their 3rd string center if he would accept that role.
Hell I'd be fine with him having that role in Boston, especially if it can't keep both Baynes and Monroe.
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Backup plan for some teams backup C role.
I agree, if Boston doesn't keep both of Monroe and Baynes (and does find a replacement/upgrade in the draft), he could carve out a spot on the Celtics bench based on matchups.
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who......?
He's the guy that half of the board traded Marcus Smart for.
Mike
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It is disgraceful that Emeka Okafor is a better player right now that Jahlil
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
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Booker (cut by 76ers) for Okafor (not in the rotation) and Knicks 2019 2nd
Overseas next season is my guess.
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It is disgraceful that Emeka Okafor is a better player right now that Jahlil
Hilarious but true!
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
What are people still into with him? The nets, one of the worst teams in the league, could not find a way to play him. Their coach also said he was out of shape. I get the belief in Brad and all, but this seems like really hoping for two much for a guy that doesn't seem to want it.
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So Darko.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
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who......?
He's the guy that half of the board traded Marcus Smart for.
Mike
TP ..... ;)
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Booker (cut by 76ers) for Okafor (not in the rotation) and Knicks 2019 2nd
Overseas next season is my guess.
Makes sense. He could become a legend in China. I doubt he makes it in the more competitive Euro- leagues.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years .....the blind squirrel method of finding star players ...throw darts and not play basketball for years.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
Sad but true, TP.
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who......?
He's the guy that half of the board traded Marcus Smart for.
Mike
lol TP
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I think every player you just mentioned got at least one more contract in the NBA and Olynyk is playing a big role for a playoff team and just got a million dollar bonus for playing a certain number of games for the 1st time in his career.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I think every player you just mentioned got at least one more contract in the NBA and Olynyk is playing a big role for a playoff team and just got a million dollar bonus for playing a certain number of games for the 1st time in his career.
Doesn't change the fact they didn't get any better while playing under Brad Stevens. All it means is that teams were willing to pay for a player to play for them at the level those players were playing at when they left the Celtics.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I think every player you just mentioned got at least one more contract in the NBA and Olynyk is playing a big role for a playoff team and just got a million dollar bonus for playing a certain number of games for the 1st time in his career.
Doesn't change the fact they didn't get any better while playing under Brad Stevens. All it means is that teams were willing to pay for a player to play for them at the level those players were playing at when they left the Celtics.
I think they all got better.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
i don't disagree with you at all, but the levels you always go to defend 76ers whenever someone says something negative about them is pretty hilarious
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I think every player you just mentioned got at least one more contract in the NBA and Olynyk is playing a big role for a playoff team and just got a million dollar bonus for playing a certain number of games for the 1st time in his career.
Doesn't change the fact they didn't get any better while playing under Brad Stevens. All it means is that teams were willing to pay for a player to play for them at the level those players were playing at when they left the Celtics.
I think they all got better.
I am guessing the opinion that all of those players got better under Stevens would be in the vast minority.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I think every player you just mentioned got at least one more contract in the NBA and Olynyk is playing a big role for a playoff team and just got a million dollar bonus for playing a certain number of games for the 1st time in his career.
Doesn't change the fact they didn't get any better while playing under Brad Stevens. All it means is that teams were willing to pay for a player to play for them at the level those players were playing at when they left the Celtics.
I think they all got better.
I am guessing the opinion that all of those players got better under Stevens would be in the vast minority.
Yea there are obviously some players that were just not NBA players under Stevens. He isn't a magician. Okafor may just not be an NBA player for various reasons (perhaps some of them just effort and conditioning)>
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
i don't disagree with you at all, but the levels you always go to defend 76ers whenever someone says something negative about them is pretty hilarious
The fact that folks on here are still complaining about the Sixers tanking and "screwing their fans" is hilarious to me. It doesn't take much effort or thought to respond to those "ostrich with his head in the sand" type of arguments. Fans of at least half the league would kill to be in the Sixers position.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I think every player you just mentioned got at least one more contract in the NBA and Olynyk is playing a big role for a playoff team and just got a million dollar bonus for playing a certain number of games for the 1st time in his career.
Doesn't change the fact they didn't get any better while playing under Brad Stevens. All it means is that teams were willing to pay for a player to play for them at the level those players were playing at when they left the Celtics.
I think they all got better.
I am guessing the opinion that all of those players got better under Stevens would be in the vast minority.
I'm not saying they all even became rotational players or anything like that but I did see improvement in all of those players including James Young and RJ Hunter. I believe they were all better than when they left then when they got here.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
This is the 5th year of the Sixers rebuild. So they had 4 bad seasons which is not a long time in the NBA for a rebuild. The TWolves just made the playoffs for the 1st time in 14 years. The Kings have now missed the playoffs for 12 seasons. Charlotte has only made 3 times in the last 15 seasons. The Knicks have only made the playoffs 4 times in the last 16 seasons. Bad teams in the NBA generally stay bad. Mediocre teams generally plateau at mediocre. Jumping from really bad (10 wins) to good (52 wins) in two seasons is rather rare.
You bringing up lesser talent shows you really don't understand the Process. The Process was about maximizing their chances to get star talent via any means in order to become a true championship contender. Here's a good article with Hinkie explaining the Process.
http://www.businessinsider.com/sam-hinkie-explains-sixers-tanking-plan-2015-2
At his press conference, Hinkie explained his thinking.
He said that the only way to win an NBA title is to have a team that can win 55+ games every year. And the only way to have a team that can win 55+ games every year is to get great players. And the only way to get great players is to have enough picks to either 1) draft a great player, or 2) put together a trade package for a great player that can help you make a "big leap."
Here's what he said when asked why he doesn't try to get a little bit better every year:
"What we look at is, how do we add to what we're doing in a way that gets us closer to our goal? We don't think that it will necessarily be linear — that every year you will add five wins and after 10 years you will get to 50. That's not the way we think about the world. We think that it comes at fits and starts, and you have to be prepared to put yourself in a position that you might be able to make big leaps."
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
i don't disagree with you at all, but the levels you always go to defend 76ers whenever someone says something negative about them is pretty hilarious
The fact that folks on here are still complaining about the Sixers tanking and "screwing their fans" is hilarious to me. It doesn't take much effort or thought to respond to those "ostrich with his head in the sand" type of arguments. Fans of at least half the league would kill to be in the Sixers position.
Meh you constantly defend them and talk about how great just about anyone associated with them is. I think they are good and exciting and think embiid and Simmons are really great exciting players. I think overreacting to fultz having a triple double against bucks backups when about 10 I drafted players had 20+ points in meaningless games is pretty extreme. The zealots are ignoring the fact they are under .500 against eastern playoff teams and were fortunate to play 13 out of 17 lottery teams that were literally hardcore tanking and sitting players at end of season (NBA needs to fix). I think they are 50 50 to win their first round series. I don't know if they can cut their turnovers down
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
This is the 5th year of the Sixers rebuild. So they had 4 bad seasons which is not a long time in the NBA for a rebuild. The TWolves just made the playoffs for the 1st time in 14 years. The Kings have now missed the playoffs for 12 seasons. Charlotte has only made 3 times in the last 15 seasons. The Knicks have only made the playoffs 4 times in the last 16 seasons. Bad teams in the NBA generally stay bad. Mediocre teams generally plateau at mediocre. Jumping from really bad (10 wins) to good (52 wins) in two seasons is rather rare.
You bringing up lesser talent shows you really don't understand the Process. The Process was about maximizing their chances to get star talent via any means in order to become a true championship contender. Here's a good article with Hinkie explaining the Process.
http://www.businessinsider.com/sam-hinkie-explains-sixers-tanking-plan-2015-2
At his press conference, Hinkie explained his thinking.
He said that the only way to win an NBA title is to have a team that can win 55+ games every year. And the only way to have a team that can win 55+ games every year is to get great players. And the only way to get great players is to have enough picks to either 1) draft a great player, or 2) put together a trade package for a great player that can help you make a "big leap."
Here's what he said when asked why he doesn't try to get a little bit better every year:
"What we look at is, how do we add to what we're doing in a way that gets us closer to our goal? We don't think that it will necessarily be linear — that every year you will add five wins and after 10 years you will get to 50. That's not the way we think about the world. We think that it comes at fits and starts, and you have to be prepared to put yourself in a position that you might be able to make big leaps."
Nope, I got it.
They had the space to get better by signing a max guy. Or two. A team can surely get better that way. We did. Miami did. Stars move. Happens most off seasons. They decided to not try. Maybe this year they do.
What they didn't do with their lesser assets was get much value, and that is about basic asset management, nothing to do with the process. So I doubt their ability to make the tweaks down the road.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
This is the 5th year of the Sixers rebuild. So they had 4 bad seasons which is not a long time in the NBA for a rebuild. The TWolves just made the playoffs for the 1st time in 14 years. The Kings have now missed the playoffs for 12 seasons. Charlotte has only made 3 times in the last 15 seasons. The Knicks have only made the playoffs 4 times in the last 16 seasons. Bad teams in the NBA generally stay bad. Mediocre teams generally plateau at mediocre. Jumping from really bad (10 wins) to good (52 wins) in two seasons is rather rare.
You bringing up lesser talent shows you really don't understand the Process. The Process was about maximizing their chances to get star talent via any means in order to become a true championship contender. Here's a good article with Hinkie explaining the Process.
http://www.businessinsider.com/sam-hinkie-explains-sixers-tanking-plan-2015-2
At his press conference, Hinkie explained his thinking.
He said that the only way to win an NBA title is to have a team that can win 55+ games every year. And the only way to have a team that can win 55+ games every year is to get great players. And the only way to get great players is to have enough picks to either 1) draft a great player, or 2) put together a trade package for a great player that can help you make a "big leap."
Here's what he said when asked why he doesn't try to get a little bit better every year:
"What we look at is, how do we add to what we're doing in a way that gets us closer to our goal? We don't think that it will necessarily be linear — that every year you will add five wins and after 10 years you will get to 50. That's not the way we think about the world. We think that it comes at fits and starts, and you have to be prepared to put yourself in a position that you might be able to make big leaps."
Nope, I got it.
They had the space to get better by signing a max guy. Or two. A team can surely get better that way. We did. Miami did. Stars move. Happens most off seasons. They decided to not try. Maybe this year they do.
What they didn't do with their lesser assets was get much value, and that is about basic asset management, nothing to do with the process. So I doubt their ability to make the tweaks down the road.
First off you don't know what they tried. I know there were rumors that they tried to trade for Paul George at last season's trade deadline. Second, star movement in free agency is dictated by the stars not the teams and is not nearly as frequent as you indicate. The Lakers have been trying to get stars via free agency for years and have so far struck out.
As far as lesser talents go, Covington is a good starting SF now. Holmes and McConnell are still on the team contributing. MCW was flipped for the Lakers 1st in an absolute steal. Grant was flipped for Ilyasova and a protected 1st. They just picked up two of the best available players (Ilyasova and Belinelli) after the trade deadline.
The question in my mind is will Colangelo waste their available cap space on mediocre players if he strikes out on top free agents. They don't need anymore Bayless type contracts or worse. He needs to hold onto the cap space for 2019 if he can't get a star in 2018 free agency.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
This is the 5th year of the Sixers rebuild. So they had 4 bad seasons which is not a long time in the NBA for a rebuild. The TWolves just made the playoffs for the 1st time in 14 years. The Kings have now missed the playoffs for 12 seasons. Charlotte has only made 3 times in the last 15 seasons. The Knicks have only made the playoffs 4 times in the last 16 seasons. Bad teams in the NBA generally stay bad. Mediocre teams generally plateau at mediocre. Jumping from really bad (10 wins) to good (52 wins) in two seasons is rather rare.
You bringing up lesser talent shows you really don't understand the Process. The Process was about maximizing their chances to get star talent via any means in order to become a true championship contender. Here's a good article with Hinkie explaining the Process.
http://www.businessinsider.com/sam-hinkie-explains-sixers-tanking-plan-2015-2
At his press conference, Hinkie explained his thinking.
He said that the only way to win an NBA title is to have a team that can win 55+ games every year. And the only way to have a team that can win 55+ games every year is to get great players. And the only way to get great players is to have enough picks to either 1) draft a great player, or 2) put together a trade package for a great player that can help you make a "big leap."
Here's what he said when asked why he doesn't try to get a little bit better every year:
"What we look at is, how do we add to what we're doing in a way that gets us closer to our goal? We don't think that it will necessarily be linear — that every year you will add five wins and after 10 years you will get to 50. That's not the way we think about the world. We think that it comes at fits and starts, and you have to be prepared to put yourself in a position that you might be able to make big leaps."
Nope, I got it.
They had the space to get better by signing a max guy. Or two. A team can surely get better that way. We did. Miami did. Stars move. Happens most off seasons. They decided to not try. Maybe this year they do.
What they didn't do with their lesser assets was get much value, and that is about basic asset management, nothing to do with the process. So I doubt their ability to make the tweaks down the road.
First off you don't know what they tried. I know there were rumors that they tried to trade for Paul George at last season's trade deadline. Second, star movement in free agency is dictated by the stars not the teams and is not nearly as frequent as you indicate. The Lakers have been trying to get stars via free agency for years and have so far struck out.
As far as lesser talents go, Covington is a good starting SF now. Holmes and McConnell are still on the team contributing. MCW was flipped for the Lakers 1st in an absolute steal. Grant was flipped for Ilyasova and a protected 1st. They just picked up two of the best available players (Ilyasova and Belinelli) after the trade deadline.
The question in my mind is will Colangelo waste their available cap space on mediocre players if he strikes out on top free agents. They don't need anymore Bayless type contracts or worse. He needs to hold onto the cap space for 2019 if he can't get a star in 2018 free agency.
exactly. If they don't get James or trade for someone like Leonard, then they should just bring Redick back on another 1 year contract and try to get someone like Klay Thompson in 2019.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I will give you James Young, although he, I believe, is STILL on an NBA roster, and one COULD argue that he would NOT be without the influence of Brad. I will give you Sully. Brad simply could NOT be with him every second of the day and night to smack the donuts out of his hands!! But KO had about an 18 PER this year and is a LARGE REASON WHY the Heat are IN the playoffs this year!! You simply cannot deny the development of Smart's defense under Brad's tutelage and the FACT that his eFG% has gone up EVERY year under Brad (except for the first year):-)))
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
RJ Hunter was simply a bad draft choice by Danny. To put that on Brad is horrifically unfair, and I realize that you are NOT putting that on Brad!!
Smitty77
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I will give you James Young, although he, I believe, is STILL on an NBA roster, and one COULD argue that he would NOT be without the influence of Brad. I will give you Sully. Brad simply could NOT be with him every second of the day and night to smack the donuts out of his hands!! But KO had about an 18 PER this year and is a LARGE REASON WHY
per36 KO's career best this season are just assists, FTA, DRB, PER, TS%, USG, and that is it. He also has his career worst for TOV. In fact, his per minute production is pretty similar every single season he has been in the league. This idea that KO is a vastly different player in Miami is just silly nonsense. He plays a few more minutes a game and shoots more from 3 point range, but those are the only real differences in KO. His actual on court production is almost identical.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I will give you James Young, although he, I believe, is STILL on an NBA roster, and one COULD argue that he would NOT be without the influence of Brad. I will give you Sully. Brad simply could NOT be with him every second of the day and night to smack the donuts out of his hands!! But KO had about an 18 PER this year and is a LARGE REASON WHY
per36 KO's career best this season are just assists, FTA, DRB, PER, TS%, USG, and that is it. He also has his career worst for TOV. In fact, his per minute production is pretty similar every single season he has been in the league. This idea that KO is a vastly different player in Miami is just silly nonsense. He plays a few more minutes a game and shoots more from 3 point range, but those are the only real differences in KO. His actual on court production is almost identical.
This is just flat out wrong!! Kelly's eFG% increased EVERY year EXCEPT a slight .2% decrease from 2014-2015 to 2015-2016.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olynyke01.html
His eFG% has increased from 50.6% in his first year to 58% this year. Yes, Brad did not coach him THIS year, so last year he shot 57.9% in eFG%. I would argue that KO might be playing in Europe right NOW had he NOT had Brad as his coach for 4 years!!
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
i don't disagree with you at all, but the levels you always go to defend 76ers whenever someone says something negative about them is pretty hilarious
The fact that folks on here are still complaining about the Sixers tanking and "screwing their fans" is hilarious to me. It doesn't take much effort or thought to respond to those "ostrich with his head in the sand" type of arguments. Fans of at least half the league would kill to be in the Sixers position.
You conveniently forgot to mention that the Sixers got incredibly lucky. It was not a given their draft picks would be as high as they ended up.
There was no strategy, it was simply a gamble.
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For once, I was right about a player. I have not wanted anything to do with this player since the beginning and always got sick to my stomach with the thought of us trading anyone for him. It is super rare for a player who shows bad judgement and discipline off the court, to thrive in the NBA, especially when you see bad signs right out of the gate. That incident outside the club was all I needed to see. Danny and Steven's have not shown a desire to bring any malcontents to our team so far and I would expect that to stay the same.
Okafor and Sully could be teammates someday soon. I would much rather take a flyer on Sully then Okafor as well as I actually like Sully.
Players like Dennis Rodman are rare in the NBA and that is because his talent at rebounding and defending was undeniable. Cousin's is another player with an unreal amount of talent as well but he has not put it together for his team yet as well.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I will give you James Young, although he, I believe, is STILL on an NBA roster, and one COULD argue that he would NOT be without the influence of Brad. I will give you Sully. Brad simply could NOT be with him every second of the day and night to smack the donuts out of his hands!! But KO had about an 18 PER this year and is a LARGE REASON WHY
per36 KO's career best this season are just assists, FTA, DRB, PER, TS%, USG, and that is it. He also has his career worst for TOV. In fact, his per minute production is pretty similar every single season he has been in the league. This idea that KO is a vastly different player in Miami is just silly nonsense. He plays a few more minutes a game and shoots more from 3 point range, but those are the only real differences in KO. His actual on court production is almost identical.
This is just flat out wrong!! Kelly's eFG% increased EVERY year EXCEPT a slight .2% decrease from 2014-2015 to 2015-2016.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olynyke01.html
His eFG% has increased from 50.6% in his first year to 58% this year. Yes, Brad did not coach him THIS year, so last year he shot 57.9% in eFG%. I would argue that KO might be playing in Europe right NOW had he NOT had Brad as his coach for 4 years!!
eFG% is based on 2PT and 3PT%. This year is not KO's career high in either 2PT or 3PT percentage, though collectively he shot enough 3's at a good enough percentage this year to slightly edge his eFG% of last year.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
It was definitely a good deal for philly given what mcw has become. However trading the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later overall is pretty a lateral move if you think about it. For example if the lottery did not exist and you knew the slots ahead of time I doubt Cleveland would trade the 8th pick for the 7th pick 5 years from now. Mcw was also a pretty bad pick at that slot given adams and ga were taken immediately after
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
It was definitely a good deal for philly given what mcw has become. However trading the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later overall is pretty a lateral move if you think about it. For example if the lottery did not exist and you knew the slots ahead of time I doubt Cleveland would trade the 8th pick for the 7th pick 5 years from now. Mcw was also a pretty bad pick at that slot given adams and ga were taken immediately after
Absolutely. But it sure as hell wasn't a "whiff". You can't say that when the kid is rookie of the year in his rookie year. It's asinine.
Philly actually got unlucky when you consider what ultimately happened with the the pick but they still got a lottery pick out of it. They sold high on MCW.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
There is a VERY STRONG argument that he was the WEAKEST ROY in NBA history!! He was fed UNearned minutes and got unlimited control of a HORRIBLE team and unlimited shot attempts. He is a TERRIBLE player. I live about 45 minutes from the Spectrum Center, home of the Hornets, and you can ask any true Hornets' fan just how BAD he really is.
Smitty77
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
It was definitely a good deal for philly given what mcw has become. However trading the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later overall is pretty a lateral move if you think about it. For example if the lottery did not exist and you knew the slots ahead of time I doubt Cleveland would trade the 8th pick for the 7th pick 5 years from now. Mcw was also a pretty bad pick at that slot given adams and ga were taken immediately after
Absolutely. But it sure as hell wasn't a "whiff". You can't say that when the kid is rookie of the year in his rookie year. It's asinine.
Philly actually got unlucky when you consider what ultimately happened with the the pick but they still got a lottery pick out of it. They sold high on MCW.
I CAN say that and I DID say that and I stand by it!! MCW = the WEAKEST ROY in NBA history!! A total JOKE!!! Just like he is a total JOKE of a player currently. He only has a job due to his unusual length for a PG which makes him a decent defender, but not due to his effort.
Smitty77
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
It was definitely a good deal for philly given what mcw has become. However trading the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later overall is pretty a lateral move if you think about it. For example if the lottery did not exist and you knew the slots ahead of time I doubt Cleveland would trade the 8th pick for the 7th pick 5 years from now. Mcw was also a pretty bad pick at that slot given adams and ga were taken immediately after
Absolutely. But it sure as hell wasn't a "whiff". You can't say that when the kid is rookie of the year in his rookie year. It's asinine.
Philly actually got unlucky when you consider what ultimately happened with the the pick but they still got a lottery pick out of it. They sold high on MCW.
Now, about NOEL and OKAFOR?????
Smitty77
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
It was definitely a good deal for philly given what mcw has become. However trading the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later overall is pretty a lateral move if you think about it. For example if the lottery did not exist and you knew the slots ahead of time I doubt Cleveland would trade the 8th pick for the 7th pick 5 years from now. Mcw was also a pretty bad pick at that slot given adams and ga were taken immediately after
Absolutely. But it sure as hell wasn't a "whiff". You can't say that when the kid is rookie of the year in his rookie year. It's asinine.
Philly actually got unlucky when you consider what ultimately happened with the the pick but they still got a lottery pick out of it. They sold high on MCW.
I CAN say that and I DID say that and I stand by it!! MCW = the WEAKEST ROY in NBA history!! A total JOKE!!! Just like he is a total JOKE of a player currently. He only has a job due to his unusual length for a PG which makes him a decent defender, but not due to his effort.
Smitty77
It doesn't matter how strong or weak the rookie class is that year. The fact of the matter is
A) MCW won the rookie of the year which means, even in a weak draft year, Phily used good judgement with the pick
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B) Then they turned around and actually got something of legitimate value for MCW. Getting value is not a whiff nor a bust.
It's really that simple. You seem to have a tough time removing your emotion from the equation here.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
It was definitely a good deal for philly given what mcw has become. However trading the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later overall is pretty a lateral move if you think about it. For example if the lottery did not exist and you knew the slots ahead of time I doubt Cleveland would trade the 8th pick for the 7th pick 5 years from now. Mcw was also a pretty bad pick at that slot given adams and ga were taken immediately after
Absolutely. But it sure as hell wasn't a "whiff". You can't say that when the kid is rookie of the year in his rookie year. It's asinine.
Philly actually got unlucky when you consider what ultimately happened with the the pick but they still got a lottery pick out of it. They sold high on MCW.
Now, about NOEL and OKAFOR?????
Smitty77
What about them?
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
It was definitely a good deal for philly given what mcw has become. However trading the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later overall is pretty a lateral move if you think about it. For example if the lottery did not exist and you knew the slots ahead of time I doubt Cleveland would trade the 8th pick for the 7th pick 5 years from now. Mcw was also a pretty bad pick at that slot given adams and ga were taken immediately after
They didn't trade the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later. They traded Michael Carter-Williams for the 10th pick.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
It was definitely a good deal for philly given what mcw has become. However trading the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later overall is pretty a lateral move if you think about it. For example if the lottery did not exist and you knew the slots ahead of time I doubt Cleveland would trade the 8th pick for the 7th pick 5 years from now. Mcw was also a pretty bad pick at that slot given adams and ga were taken immediately after
They didn't trade the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later. They traded Michael Carter-Williams for the 10th pick.
lol. They drafted MCW with the 11th pick. He should have the value of the 11th pick a short time after he was drafted. You really are on a mission today eh? Lets split some more hairs.
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
It was definitely a good deal for philly given what mcw has become. However trading the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later overall is pretty a lateral move if you think about it. For example if the lottery did not exist and you knew the slots ahead of time I doubt Cleveland would trade the 8th pick for the 7th pick 5 years from now. Mcw was also a pretty bad pick at that slot given adams and ga were taken immediately after
They didn't trade the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later. They traded Michael Carter-Williams for the 10th pick.
lol. They drafted MCW with the 11th pick. He should have the value of the 11th pick a short time after he was drafted. You really are on a mission today eh? Lets split some more hairs.
I know he was the 11th pick, but they didn't trade him as a pick, they traded the player. MCW was not worth a lottery pick when he was traded and yet the Sixers got a lottery pick for him. That is a great trade.
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I think he's two years away...from being two years away...from being two years away...and so on and so on...
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Jeez man. This is really splitting hairs. So then it was a bad pick for a good trade? Versus an average pick for an average trade? What's the difference? Just arguing for the sake of it?
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Still young but man, what a bust.
Such a waste of (offensive) talent.
Philly went though a bunch of lottery picks to finally settle on Embiid , Fultz and Simmons . Thats a boat load of screwing fans and not playing basketball for years.
In only 5 seasons, their team was torn down and rebuilt into a top team in the league (5th best record, 4th best point differential). Their lottery picks from the Hinkie era until now (5 drafts) were Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons and Fultz. So two stars, a solid starter and a work in progress all under 25 plus MCW was recycled into this year's Lakers pick. To top it off, they can make cap space to get a Max free agent this offseason. As for their fans, they are packing their arena (3rd best attendance) not sulking about a few down years.
That sounds nice when you put it that way, but I do think 5 years is a long time in the modern NBA when contracts usually only run 4 years. They had enough cap space to have potentially signed some great players if their team wasn't such a wreck. No top players were signing on to that mess.
The Process was basically about not only not competing on the floor, but admitting franchise incompetence in rebuilding in any other way, e.g. FA and trades, or finding and developing someone not named Covington (whose talent and role remind me of #34: Kevin Gamble). Now maybe they finally have enough to pieces to work with, but they didn't do much with their lesser assets I don't think, so I'm not sure they can do the difficult good-to-great transformative work. And even after all that, they need to keep and pay those guys. The Clippers drafted quite a few good players over the years, and their franchise made money too. They sucked.
Grant is a rotation player for the Thunder. Smith found his groove in Philly and is playing well on the Pistons. Tim Frazier seems to be playing well. Dedmon went through Philly. McConnell and Holmes were undrafted and a 2nd rounder, both in their 3rd year and playing well. Not stars but quality role players all given a chance to prove it in Philly and they did just that.
All that being said, they completely WHIFFED on MCW (#11 pick), Noel (#6 pick), and Okafor (#3 pick)!!!!!
Smitty77
How do you whiff on someone who became rookie of the year in Carter-Williams? That makes no sense. Then they managed to capitalize on it and gets a LAL first rounder out of selling on him?
It was definitely a good deal for philly given what mcw has become. However trading the 11th pick for the 10th pick 5 years later overall is pretty a lateral move if you think about it. For example if the lottery did not exist and you knew the slots ahead of time I doubt Cleveland would trade the 8th pick for the 7th pick 5 years from now. Mcw was also a pretty bad pick at that slot given adams and ga were taken immediately after
Absolutely. But it sure as hell wasn't a "whiff". You can't say that when the kid is rookie of the year in his rookie year. It's asinine.
Philly actually got unlucky when you consider what ultimately happened with the the pick but they still got a lottery pick out of it. They sold high on MCW.
Now, about NOEL and OKAFOR?????
Smitty77
What about them?
Did Philly WHIFF on them????????????????????
Smitty77
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Did Philly WHIFF on them????????????????????
Smitty77
So you failed on the MCW "whiff" call & now want to say 2 out of 3 ain't bad?
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Did Philly WHIFF on them
I think so, and they whiffed on Fultz to some degree.
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MCW was obviously not a whiff. You really can't argue that he was. Philly used the #11 pick in a historically bad draft to get the ROY, and then flipped him for an incredibly valuable Lakers pick, that has been actually pretty unlucky to not have converted by now. They're still likely to get the 10th pick in a stacked draft this year.
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Seriously would not be surprised if the Cs looked at Okafor as a cheaper option than Greg Monroe as a bench inside scorer.
Zeller used to fill that role. Monroe does now. Crafty scorers inside are valuable, and Okafor has that ability.
its everything else that's a concern.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I think every player you just mentioned got at least one more contract in the NBA and Olynyk is playing a big role for a playoff team and just got a million dollar bonus for playing a certain number of games for the 1st time in his career.
Doesn't change the fact they didn't get any better while playing under Brad Stevens. All it means is that teams were willing to pay for a player to play for them at the level those players were playing at when they left the Celtics.
I think they all got better.
I am guessing the opinion that all of those players got better under Stevens would be in the vast minority.
Three of them didn't have NBA talent. If Danny had drafted me in 2015 I probably would have been a vastly improved player under Brad's tutelage, but still would have been a universe away from being an NBA player.
Not sure why you aren't seeing any development in Kelly or Marcus -- especially Marcus who, when healthy, is an impact player.
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Considering we likely won't be able to keep BOTH Baynes + Monroe after this year (probably just 1), see if Okafor is willing to come here on a 1 year, vet. min deal to build his value. Best case scenario, he's an above average big for us off the bench. Low risk, but potentially high reward. I think Okafor would legitimately consider it since it's not like a team is willing to hand him a big contract now obviously, and who better than CBS to increase his stock while also being able to play for a contender.
Brad Stevens hasn't been able to raise the value or play of James Young, RJ Hunter, Jordan Mickey, Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk or Marcus Smart. None of those players got really, any much better while playing under Stevens. They came in as one player and after bei g around Stevens, sometimes for 4 years, were still pretty much the same player.
Sometimes players just aren't good or don't really develop any. I tend to think Ojafor is one of those players and Stevens isn't going to make any difference in his development.
I think every player you just mentioned got at least one more contract in the NBA and Olynyk is playing a big role for a playoff team and just got a million dollar bonus for playing a certain number of games for the 1st time in his career.
Doesn't change the fact they didn't get any better while playing under Brad Stevens. All it means is that teams were willing to pay for a player to play for them at the level those players were playing at when they left the Celtics.
I think they all got better.
I am guessing the opinion that all of those players got better under Stevens would be in the vast minority.
Three of them didn't have NBA talent. If Danny had drafted me in 2015 I probably would have been a vastly improved player under Brad's tutelage, but still would have been a universe away from being an NBA player.
Not sure why you aren't seeing any development in Kelly or Marcus -- especially Marcus who, when healthy, is an impact player.
Smart is an impact defender. That hasn't changed since he came into the league. His offense is awful and has been since he got into the league. I see little growth from Smart. As for Olynyk, just look at his stats. They're basically the same all four years he was here.
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Did Philly WHIFF on them????????????????????
Smitty77
So you failed on the MCW "whiff" call & now want to say 2 out of 3 ain't bad?
There is ZERO debate to be had on whether they whiffed on Okafor AND Noel!! Glad to see you acknowledge that.
Smitty77
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Did Philly WHIFF on them
I think so, and they whiffed on Fultz to some degree.
I agree. Fultz will be a decent player, but likely never an All-Star. Especially for a #1 pick.
Smitty77
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Embiid’s injury history is frightening. Scarier than any of the ones that are considered worrisome (including AD, Griffin, Kawhi).
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Who knows about Fultz -- he could be great, way to early to tell. But it's Embiid who holds the key to the franchise. Simmons could definitely be a great player (top 5 possibly), but very young and will need a top guy with him. If not Embiid, then who? If the Sixers strike out in free agency, they need Embiid to stay healthy. If he doesn't, I think the greatest Tank in sports history will go down the drain.
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totally can see Danny picking him up on the cheap and revitalizing his career
Not sure what the Nets were thinking to trade for him when all they did at the end was bench him
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I don't think guys like him are useful players in the NBA anymore if they don't develop some other NBA skills. Rebounds and post scoring aren't enough anymore. Need to rim run, screen really well, pass some, team defend, etc, etc.
Look Greg Monroe is a really gifted passer as a big man and knows where to be on defense (even though he cannot get there against a lot of lineups) and he's still a 10-15 minute bench guy who might not play some matchups.
Isn't Okafor's best case at this point Monroe? And to even get there he needs to make a ton of strides as a passer and learn to have a clue on D.
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Smart is an impact defender. That hasn't changed since he came into the league. His offense is awful and has been since he got into the league. I see little growth from Smart. As for Olynyk, just look at his stats. They're basically the same all four years he was here.
Various media members are weirdly touting Olynyk's improvement in Miami, overall he seems to be the same when I've watched them (which isn't a ton). His numbers across the board seem to be the same too when I've looked them up.
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Smart is an impact defender. That hasn't changed since he came into the league. His offense is awful and has been since he got into the league. I see little growth from Smart. As for Olynyk, just look at his stats. They're basically the same all four years he was here.
Various media members are weirdly touting Olynyk's improvement in Miami, overall he seems to be the same when I've watched them (which isn't a ton). His numbers across the board seem to be the same too when I've looked them up.
I've noticed this too. The change in scenery and big contract give him more limelight, but his game is basically the same.
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I've noticed this too. The change in scenery and big contract give him more limelight, but his game is basically the same.
Which is still really good. Versatile bigs like him are amazing to have on your team, he's been really good in the playoffs.
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Kelly seems to be a better defender and rebounder than he was here, don't know if the ## bear this out or not. He also seems to be in really good shape; no longer flabby.