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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Ogaju on February 11, 2018, 05:53:29 PM
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especially on Paul Pierce night.
Anyone still want to trade Marcus Smart?
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The games ALL week. Four games and they were crap in all of them
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Feels like their Finals hopes were buried and they just accepted it.
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especially on Paul Pierce night.
Anyone still want to trade Marcus Smart?
If you think Marcus Smart will help this team's rotation in the paint... well, you'll probably be disappointed.
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The games ALL week. Four games and they were crap in all of them
terrible gutless trend. i say assistants need to be run off. they're useless coaches. If i am DA i am telling CBS run some of ur clown coavhes off or............you had best start getting some BBIQ into these fools.
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especially on Paul Pierce night.
Anyone still want to trade Marcus Smart?
If you think Marcus Smart will help this team's rotation in the paint... well, you'll probably be disappointed.
Because he haven't proven he can't shut down all-star bigs like Gasol, Davis, Milsap and Cousins, right? He's the de facto team captain on the defensive end. He tells his team mates where to position themselves and immediately rotates to help if he sees it fits. May still have beaten by the Cavs, but the margin wouldn't be so big
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I just don't see why Baynes or Semi get a lot of PT
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I just don't see why Baynes or Semi get a lot of PT
semi sux
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The games ALL week. Four games and they were crap in all of them
terrible gutless trend. i say assistants need to be run off. they're useless coaches. If i am DA i am telling CBS run some of ur clown coavhes off or............you had best start getting some BBIQ into these fools.
Micah Shrewberry and Walter can stay. The rest needs to go.
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Its not about effort more than it is about the coaching, preparation, rotation
Basically CBS should bear most of the blame for the 2nd part of the season meltdown
teams know how to guard this team.... all they do is chuck up 3s. If you can execute a semi zone kind of D, Celtics offense can be contained...especially when the team can't hit a bucket from the outside
On defense the team is running around instead of identifying which players to lay off (non 3 pt shooters), not having Brown guard Lebron? ....falling for Lebrons mind games (drive and kick)
CBS after 3 years now still can't figure out Lebron....he is basically Lebrons beetch
As much as I blame CBS for the teams recent struggles....Danny also deserves blame
Just so cheap. Doesn't want to pony up picks (cavs gave up their 2017 #1) and brings in slow , non effective players like Monroe bc he doesn't have to give up anything
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Definitely should be ashamed of that... All-star break can't come soon enough.
There is one change that I love though and that's putting Morris into the starting lineup... not because he's more skilled than Tatum, but because on the first unit he has to play more measured and respect the other talent on the floor.
Tatum on the second unit with Smart and Rozier's slashing, Munroe in the post and Tatum picking his spots to move in for the kill will pay much longer term dividends beyond losing a single game. I wish Tatum would play with a bit more nasty to his game and get downright disrespectful to his defenders... this kid's got everything except the killer instinct... that's the biggest separator between him and other rookies like Dennis Smith JR and Donovan Mitchell
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I just don't see why Baynes or Semi get a lot of PT
semi sux
Stevens needs to start catching some heat. His rotations are horrible and he sticks with horrible players like Semi and Baynes. LOL at our "offense". Jack 38 3s and can't even break 100 FFS
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I'm not sure what to make of this team anymore. To play like that in front of all those Celtics greats is pathetic. The Cavs haven't even played together and they ran us off the court.
I've said for years Stevens needs better assistants.
Stevens rotations are bewildering
When is Tatum going to get plays run through him
Ainge has to make a move...got torched by Toronto and the Cavs...not good.
Irving has to be a better leader, not just in scoring.
I think the team has hit a wall.
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Frankly, I think they needed that kind loss. Learn from this, realize that the flaws exist, and maybe change up how you go about some of the things (like creating offensive plays inside instead of jacking up 3s, etc.).
It's just unfortunate this loss happened on Paul Pierce's day, and in front of all those Celtic greats... :(
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Frankly, I think they needed that kind loss. Learn from this, realize that the flaws exist, and maybe change up how you go about some of the things (like creating offensive plays inside instead of jacking up 3s, etc.).
It's just unfortunate this loss happened on Paul Pierce's day, and in front of all those Celtic greats... :(
They just had this kind of loss on Tuesday vs the Raptors and then again Friday getting down 26. This team has no pride and it is embarrassing.
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Wait. There was an effort?
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I just don't see why Baynes or Semi get a lot of PT
semi sux
Stevens needs to start catching some heat. His rotations are horrible and he sticks with horrible players like Semi and Baynes. LOL at our "offense". Jack 38 3s and can't even break 100 FFS
I am totally in agreement with you. start firing asisstants if they cannot convey simple messages to the foolish players. it all lies at brads feet. he is the head man. i find it hard to believe we have so much lack of cognitive ability at times on the floor.
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Frankly, I think they needed that kind loss. Learn from this, realize that the flaws exist, and maybe change up how you go about some of the things (like creating offensive plays inside instead of jacking up 3s, etc.).
It's just unfortunate this loss happened on Paul Pierce's day, and in front of all those Celtic greats... :(
They just had this kind of loss on Tuesday vs the Raptors and then again Friday getting down 26. This team has no pride and it is embarrassing.
amen. this crap is past getting old.
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I was so hoping during the ceremony Paul and KG would absolutely give the team the business
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Brown and Tatum were our early supplemental scorers.
Lately Brown seems to be settling for 3 pointers. He needs to attack the hoop more. Probably worried that he will get fouled, where he continues to short arm his foul shots. Headcase. Needs therapy.
Teams have learned to guard Tatum at the 3 point. He has settled into becoming a long jump shot shooter. As a rookie, he doesn't get a lot of calls going to the hoop. That should not dissuade him from attacking. Eventually he will get the calls.
Rozier is about the only guy who continues to get better, or at least not digress.
I continue to check the news feeds about Hayward. Man do we miss his skill set.
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I would have liked to see a better effort on PP night!
We played crappy and shot bad. But hey at least we have our own draft pick! JK.
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I would have liked to see a better effort on PP night!
We played crappy and shot bad. But hey at least we have our own draft pick! JK.
I mean, if you saw how they played, do you really think Tyreke Evans would have changed the result of this game?
Defense was awful and the effort/hustle just wasn't there for much of the 3rd quarter (where things got ugly). Also jacked up way too many 3s without success... smh :(
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I was so hoping during the ceremony Paul and KG would absolutely give the team the business
Me too, me too
I figure that's why they didn't give KG the microphone
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We looked like the Cavaliers looked a week ago - uninterested, uninspired, flat-footed with no bounce to our step. A tired basketball team - mentally tired.
Obviously this Celtics team has to shoot well to win, but the turnovers were concerning.
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especially on Paul Pierce night.
Anyone still want to trade Marcus Smart?
They just don't have any answers on offense.
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I just don't see why Baynes or Semi get a lot of PT
The move by Stevens to play Semi 24 mins tonight is baffling. He is a black hole on offense.
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I just don't see why Baynes or Semi get a lot of PT
The move by Stevens to play Semi 24 mins tonight is baffling. He is a black hole on offense.
When he's in there with Baynes, its no wonder why we struggle to score.
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I just don't see why Baynes or Semi get a lot of PT
semi sux
That sums it up perfectly.
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Frankly, I think they needed that kind loss. Learn from this, realize that the flaws exist, and maybe change up how you go about some of the things (like creating offensive plays inside instead of jacking up 3s, etc.).
It's just unfortunate this loss happened on Paul Pierce's day, and in front of all those Celtic greats... :(
Agree. Losses suck, but they are teaching opportunities and we have a lot of young kids in the team that need these lessons. They need to go through a bit of adversity (as do we, as fans) to appreciate the successes more.
The hustle just wasn't there tonight. That and not taking care of the basketball. Three turnovers in a row in the 2nd quarter that were totally avoidable that the Cavs converted was when they started to pull away.
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Frankly, I think they needed that kind loss. Learn from this, realize that the flaws exist, and maybe change up how you go about some of the things (like creating offensive plays inside instead of jacking up 3s, etc.).
It's just unfortunate this loss happened on Paul Pierce's day, and in front of all those Celtic greats... :(
Agree. Losses suck, but they are teaching opportunities and we have a lot of young kids in the team that need these lessons. They need to go through a bit of adversity (as do we, as fans) to appreciate the successes more.
Yeah. It's better to have these kind of losses now and to realize you "aren't as good as you could be" now than to have these kind of losses in early April.
I don't think this C's team is bad at all and they certainly can beat CLE, but yes it will come down to execution from every player, and in today's game, they didn't execute well and looked awful. That's the reality from today.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
Effort? What effort??
And frankly our defense was horrible too. They had a ton of open looks and seemed to get inside the paint pretty easily.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
Effort? What effort??
And frankly our defense was horrible too. They had a ton of open looks and seemed to get inside the paint pretty easily.
They shot 53% from three, we shot 26%.
That was the game.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
Effort? What effort??
And frankly our defense was horrible too. They had a ton of open looks and seemed to get inside the paint pretty easily.
Our defense was by far the worst part of it today. The effort on defense was inexcusable. Something's wrong with this team, coming out with such poor effort and execution consistently in the past 4-5 games.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
That's exactly why they need to be aggressive to the hoop, instead of chucking prayer 3s. So no, there only minimal effort.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
That's exactly why they need to be aggressive to the hoop, instead of chucking prayer 3s. So no, there only minimal effort.
I disagree. We had plenty of open threes that we missed.
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I'll throw in the towel IF they beat us in the playoffs this year - once we get Marcus back.
I'll "REALLY" throw in the towel IF they beat us with GTime once he returns.
As good as CLE looked today they'll regress to the mean - and we'll play better.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
Effort? What effort??
And frankly our defense was horrible too. They had a ton of open looks and seemed to get inside the paint pretty easily.
The effort that they all dressed up and stepped on the court yeah.
The effort of going in the paint, shooting and defense was abysmal. Looked like I was watching a Patriots Superbowl game from last Sunday with the bad offense added into the equation.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
Effort? What effort??
And frankly our defense was horrible too. They had a ton of open looks and seemed to get inside the paint pretty easily.
The effort that they all dressed up and stepped on the court yeah.
The effort of going in the paint, shooting and defense was abysmal. Looked like I was watching a Patriots Superbowl game from last Sunday with the bad offense added into the equation.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
That's exactly why they need to be aggressive to the hoop, instead of chucking prayer 3s. So no, there only minimal effort.
I disagree. We had plenty of open threes that we missed.
Can't just blame effort...other teams simply have better players.
Just knew when Cleveland made those trades the season was over for all the teams in the Eastern Conference.
None of those moves made sense from a value perspective for any of Cleveland's trading partners....none. (Yeah, LA's looking to land LeBron...good luck after giving away the farm.)It wasn't even close to being fair trade value.
Kudos to the Cleveland brass. On the other hand - worst GM's of the year awards for those taking in players Cleveland cast off. Can't think of one that was worth more than a 2nd round pick. Yet, they received top line talent in return.
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Jaylen is starting to annoy me. He's just so freaking passive for long stretches of games. Beta. He talks like he wants to out work everybody and be a great player then just stands around like a limp dick while Marcus Morris takes more shots.
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Jaylen is starting to annoy me. He's just so freaking passive for long stretches of games. Beta. He talks like he wants to out work everybody and be a great player then just stands around like a limp dick while Marcus Morris takes more shots.
Your description here is hilarious
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
That's exactly why they need to be aggressive to the hoop, instead of chucking prayer 3s. So no, there only minimal effort.
I disagree. We had plenty of open threes that we missed.
Can't just blame effort...other teams simply have better players.
Just knew when Cleveland made those trades the season was over for all the teams in the Eastern Conference.
None of those moves made sense from a value perspective for any of Cleveland's trading partners....none. (Yeah, LA's looking to land LeBron...good luck after giving away the farm.)It wasn't even close to being fair trade value.
Kudos to the Cleveland brass. On the other hand - worst GM's of the year awards for those taking in players Cleveland cast off. Can't think of one that was worth more than a 2nd round pick. Yet, they received top line talent in return.
This is an overreaction. The cavs got some role players that fit better, but let's not act like they added Paul George and deandre Jordan here. The Celtics were completely flat after the first quarter, and yes, it was effort. I think our young guys need the break badly. Tatum and brown are wiped
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Jaylen is starting to annoy me. He's just so freaking passive for long stretches of games. Beta. He talks like he wants to out work everybody and be a great player then just stands around like a limp dick while Marcus Morris takes more shots.
Negged, brah.
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I mean, if you saw how they played, do you really think Tyreke Evans would have changed the result of this game?
I think he could have help score in our ever present scoring droughts much more than the 27+ pick of next year will ever help the team.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
That's exactly why they need to be aggressive to the hoop, instead of chucking prayer 3s. So no, there only minimal effort.
I disagree. We had plenty of open threes that we missed.
Can't just blame effort...other teams simply have better players.
Just knew when Cleveland made those trades the season was over for all the teams in the Eastern Conference.
None of those moves made sense from a value perspective for any of Cleveland's trading partners....none. (Yeah, LA's looking to land LeBron...good luck after giving away the farm.)It wasn't even close to being fair trade value.
Kudos to the Cleveland brass. On the other hand - worst GM's of the year awards for those taking in players Cleveland cast off. Can't think of one that was worth more than a 2nd round pick. Yet, they received top line talent in return.
That's just an excuse. No way Cleveland team is better than last year's, even the most diehard Cavs fans admit that. In fact, some Cavs fans I know arent contented with the moves. In fact GS are probably less scared of them now. The potential of their team pre-deadline was much better than this new one. Its like they sacrificed ceiling for the floor.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
That's exactly why they need to be aggressive to the hoop, instead of chucking prayer 3s. So no, there only minimal effort.
I disagree. We had plenty of open threes that we missed.
Can't just blame effort...other teams simply have better players.
Just knew when Cleveland made those trades the season was over for all the teams in the Eastern Conference.
None of those moves made sense from a value perspective for any of Cleveland's trading partners....none. (Yeah, LA's looking to land LeBron...good luck after giving away the farm.)It wasn't even close to being fair trade value.
Kudos to the Cleveland brass. On the other hand - worst GM's of the year awards for those taking in players Cleveland cast off. Can't think of one that was worth more than a 2nd round pick. Yet, they received top line talent in return.
Not sure I agree - let's just look at what those other teams received, individually:
Lakers acquired IT4 and a 1st round pick (and an expiring Frye) while escaping Jordan Clarkson's bad deal and clearing tons of cap space after THIS season. They had to let go of Nance to do so, but he wasn't make or break here. IT4, if he ever gets healthy, is by far the best player in this deal. Lakers now have options for next year including a try-out with IT4.
Sacramento did an incredible job getting out of that HORRIBLE George Hill contract ($37M owed after this season) and only took on Iman Shumpert (just $11M owed next season) to do it. Shumpert is a decent player when healthy. I consider this a huge win for SAC.
For years, we talked about how great of a contract Jae Crowder had. Well, Utah, a small market team, was able to turn an expiring Rodney Hood into two additional years of a two-way player they coveted during the Hayward negotiations. They weren't going to re-sign Hood so I think they did a great job here.
Miami and Wade had mutual interest in coming back together. I was pleasantly surprised by this deal since I don't like Wade and I especially don't like Wade and Lebron together. A protected 2nd won't be missed here.
So let's not be fooled by how 'amazing' Cleveland is now. They essentially turned Kyrie Irving into Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance, Rodney Hood, Ante Zizic, and the BKN 1st. Yikes! They may be feeling good now and that could carry through to the playoffs, but they gave up a 1st and took on a lot of long-term money just to re-shuffle the deck chairs a bit.
tl;dr - I can totally see why these other teams made these deals. For the most part, they greatly benefited from them!
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
That's exactly why they need to be aggressive to the hoop, instead of chucking prayer 3s. So no, there only minimal effort.
I disagree. We had plenty of open threes that we missed.
Can't just blame effort...other teams simply have better players.
Just knew when Cleveland made those trades the season was over for all the teams in the Eastern Conference.
None of those moves made sense from a value perspective for any of Cleveland's trading partners....none. (Yeah, LA's looking to land LeBron...good luck after giving away the farm.)It wasn't even close to being fair trade value.
Kudos to the Cleveland brass. On the other hand - worst GM's of the year awards for those taking in players Cleveland cast off. Can't think of one that was worth more than a 2nd round pick. Yet, they received top line talent in return.
Not sure I agree - let's just look at what those other teams received, individually:
Lakers acquired IT4 and a 1st round pick (and an expiring Frye) while escaping Jordan Clarkson's bad deal and clearing tons of cap space after THIS season. They had to let go of Nance to do so, but he wasn't make or break here. IT4, if he ever gets healthy, is by far the best player in this deal. Lakers now have options for next year including a try-out with IT4.
Sacramento did an incredible job getting out of that HORRIBLE George Hill contract ($37M owed after this season) and only took on Iman Shumpert (just $11M owed next season) to do it. Shumpert is a decent player when healthy. I consider this a huge win for SAC.
For years, we talked about how great of a contract Jae Crowder had. Well, Utah, a small market team, was able to turn an expiring Rodney Hood into two additional years of a two-way player they coveted during the Hayward negotiations. They weren't going to re-sign Hood so I think they did a great job here.
Miami and Wade had mutual interest in coming back together. I was pleasantly surprised by this deal since I don't like Wade and I especially don't like Wade and Lebron together. A protected 2nd won't be missed here.
So let's not be fooled by how 'amazing' Cleveland is now. They essentially turned Kyrie Irving into Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance, Rodney Hood, Ante Zizic, and the BKN 1st. Yikes! They may be feeling good now and that could carry through to the playoffs, but they gave up a 1st and took on a lot of long-term money just to re-shuffle the deck chairs a bit.
tl;dr - I can totally see why these other teams made these deals. For the most part, they greatly benefited from them!
The return doesn't look bad for a player who demanded to be traded, especially if the Brooklyn pick is in the top 3. Their own 1st round pick most likely wouldn't land a player better than Hood or Clarkson. The trades were good for all parties involved.
I really like the deal for the Cavs even if/when LeBron bails after the season.
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I turned it off after the third quarter but knew we were dead early when Smith hit a a running fall away 3 from the corner. C's IMO didn't play all that bad Cavs were on fire!
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I mean, if you saw how they played, do you really think Tyreke Evans would have changed the result of this game?
I think he could have help score in our ever present scoring droughts much more than the 27+ pick of next year will ever help the team.
But he's just only a rental for this season. Ainge wouldn't be trading a "future asset" for a rental whose not bound to win a championship this season without Gordon Hayward.
Although I would've killed to get another scorer off the bench.
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Should have gone all in to get TEvans AND LWilliams! This team needs/needed firepower in the worst way, especially on the second unit.
If we play GREAT D, we can usually scrounge up enough points to win, but anything less makes it very hard to win. With alot better bench scoring you'd still be able to get by on those days where the D isn't quite as good.
When you get to the playoffs everybodys D is really good, or the offenses great, or both, so depending soley on defense is dubious at best!
Thing DA really blew it, as aquiring those two could have been accomplished with a couple of picks and reserves.
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Should have gone all in to get TEvans AND LWilliams! This team needs/needed firepower in the worst way, especially on the second unit.
If we play GREAT D, we can usually scrounge up enough points to win, but anything less makes it very hard to win. With alot better bench scoring you'd still be able to get by on those days where the D isn't quite as good.
When you get to the playoffs everybodys D is really good, or the offenses great, or both, so depending soley on defense is dubious at best!
Thing DA really blew it, as aquiring those two could have been accomplished with a couple of picks and reserves.
Yes likely two first round picks (including next year's MEM Pick) and other pieces for two guys who do not guarantee we even beat CLE based on the moves they made, AND could easily bolt a summer from now....
Also the Clippers extended Lou Williams at 3/24M earlier, so basically he was unavailable in trades, period.
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
effort was there???
(https://i.imgur.com/yXN4uvf.gif)
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
That's exactly why they need to be aggressive to the hoop, instead of chucking prayer 3s. So no, there only minimal effort.
(https://i.imgur.com/79pPaGk.jpg)
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The effort was there, the shooting was not.
That's exactly why they need to be aggressive to the hoop, instead of chucking prayer 3s. So no, there only minimal effort.
I disagree. We had plenty of open threes that we missed.
and it is exactly why they are BB stupid because nobody adjusted to then ATTACK THE BASKET!
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Just curious to those blaming the assistant coaches: How do you parse the responsibility from head coach, players, assistants? Are we just looking for scapegoats? I just don't know how to blame the assistant coaches for anything. Their roles and performance are just not that transparent to me personally. I wouldn't know where to start if I wanted to measure their performance or impact.
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When Hayward went down most believed we would fall to 7th or 8th. We looked that way yesterday. We are young expect Al and Monroe. Cleveland played like everyone was new at park game. It happens. I am accept wait till next year when Lebron is on the Lakers, I hope.
I will watch but expect no ECF.