The weirdest thing for me with this is the inconsistency of assets. Oklahoma and Miami pick are somehow assets, but our low first round picks from ourselves and Dallas are basically worthless?
Right now the OKC pick is sitting at 26th and it is unlikely to move a ton from that spot considering how good a team they are and how many teams are under .500 in the west. The Miami pick is tied for 24th.
Are these really worth anything? Personally I would rather have the 76ers second round pick than the 26th because it doesn't lock you into a mediocre player for 3 years and you have more options for overseas players. We don't even mention the 76ers second round pick but here we have the OKC pick mentioned all the time as gold. Maddening.
I don't think anyone called those picks assets, but there is a difference in the two teams, which makes those picks more valuable to a team like the Sixers, because they can actually use the players drafted, while Boston can't really do so. That isn't to say Philly will actually keep the picks or the players drafted, as I don't think they will as they are starting to have the too many player problem (especially if they get the Lakers pick and Embiid and Saric are on the roster next year).
well clearly the biggest factor in this comment coming from you is your longstanding belief that all the fecal brown decay of the 76ers organization is actually gold. So as I have said in the past, pretty hard to take your views on this stuff seriously at all.
aside from the personal snipes, please point out which persons called those picks assets.
it is not really a personal snipe, although perhaps should have used better wording. It is a fact. You only ever say positive things about the 76ers and never say anything negative about them. I have asked you to specifically name anything that a team that is 3-33 has done wrong over the last couple of years and you couldn't do it. So it seems pointless to have debates with you on the 76ers based on that right?
another personal snipe and you still didn't answer the question. I'll take that as you have no answer and just made crap up and used the personal snipe as a deflection to the fact that you made stuff up. Pretty typical.
You can take it as that if you want. Or you cant take it to mean what I said. I am not going to get in debates with you because you don't have a reasonable view of the 76ers and our conversations go nowhere. If I am banging my head against the wall trying to talk to someone on a given topic, it is good a strategy to step back and say name one thing that is bad about this person (or good) whatever the opposite viewpoint is.
If someone just says they absolutely hate Bernie Sanders, and I say well what is one thing you agree on him with or think he has done a good job with. If the person says something, I can take them as informed and have the possibility of a good conversation. Heck, I am not a trump fan and I could at least try to think of a few things to be positive about. When someone can't pass this simple test, it shows the conversation with that person on that topic is not worth having. That's where I am with you and the 76ers.
look the Sixers are a terrible team. Might very well contend for the worst win percentage ever, but that was their intent. They wanted to be bad and tank. They probably didn't expect to be this bad in this season, but the didn't expect Embiid to get re-injured or Saric to not come over last summer. When that happens you are going to be bad again. The simple truth is though, the Sixers fully intended to be bad for three seasons (just not this bad), this is the third season. That was their plan all along. That is why they sold off their veterans and went all in on the tank by playing young players. The fact that you can't understand that, is problematic for your analysis of the Sixers. You can't understand that the Sixers are pretty much where they thought they would be (especially without Embiid and Saric). This was their plan. Period.
I guess I will bite since you are at least trying to have a reasonable conversation here. First a point of clarification. I totally understand that the 76ers have been trying to tank. I also understand for the most, part they are where they would like to be this season given the Embiid setback (I think it is fair to say they would like to have 5-6 wins instead of 3 to reduce media scrutiny but that is a minor point). That being said, that doesn't mean there haven't been things that have gone wrong with the 76ers plan and they haven't gotten bad breaks and a few bad decision mixed in. My problem with your analysis of the 76ers and several other people that discuss them is that they have have a hard time acknowledging these setbacks and poor decisions within the process. They are viewed as being condemming of the whole process when in reality it is just pointing out a few things that they should have done differently. I will list these again for laugh. Some of these are debatable whether they are bad luck/decisions other are not
1) The Embiid reinjury. They selected this guy 3rd and will now have gone 2.5 years without playing in a competitive basketball game when he returns. If all teams knew he would miss two years and have to have two separate surgeries where does he get drafted in that draft. Mid 20's? In retrospect this was not a good pick. Although you personally I don't think have done this, fans that are starting to just blindly list him as a big asset are not really taking historical injury history into effect. Their are very few players that have come back and played NBA basketball after missing two full seasons. Ones that have often seen very reduced effectiveness. Big Z is the biggest success story I can think of and I would never call him a franchise center.
2) Overly investing in protected picks. This is certainly debatable, but I think it makes it very difficult to plan a team when you don't know when and where those picks will be. A month from the end of last season it looked like the 76ers would end up with 2 top ten picks and a few in the mid to late teens. Now a year later those picks are 25 to 27 and we still don't know what will happen with the Lakers. However, whether or not you agree that it was a mistake to get so many, I don't think it is debatable that the swaps with the heat and Thunder have not worked out. The 76ers would be in much better shape with the 16th and 17th pick in last years draft then the 25th and 27th pick this year.
3) Not signing a few veterans this offseason. The coach and team (as well as the NBA itself) has basically acknowledged this was a mistake and their team needed a few veterans to stop the players from going off the rails. In light of what has happened with Okafor and their subsequent moves it is pretty obvious even the 76ers acknowledge this was a mistake. Not acknowledging this was a mistake now as a fan seems ridiculous.
4) Drafting Okafor. In addition to troubles off the court, he does not fit with Noel. If the 76ers had drafted Porzingas their future looks a lot better right now.
Finally this is a little off the point, but you went on like 8 pages of threads last season arguing how great the 76ers role and bench players were mentioning thompson, covington, wroten, marshall and a few others I am forgetting at the time. I realize there was injury involved, but wroten is now out of the league. Marshall can't get on the court. Covington can't even start and Thompson continues to be a guy that can hit 3's at a high percentage and nothing else.
The Sixers have 4 wins (3 since the Ish Smith trade) not 3.
Embiid was and still is the correct selection for the Sixers. Embiid still has star potential albeit with injury bust risk. Exum, Gordon, Smart and Randle haven't shown star potential or even proven themselves to be solid starters yet.
Knocking the Sixers for acquiring protected picks for relatively little is nonsense. I haven't seen you complaining about Ainge acquiring protected picks (T-wolves, Mavs, Grizz). You can add the Kings 2018 protected pick to the list of cheaply acquired Sixers picks.
The Lakers had the 4th worst record and were already tanking when their pick (top 5 protected last year) was acquired by the Sixers so there was little expectation that they'd get that pick last year. Not getting either the Miami or OKC picks last year was unexpected but who did they really miss out on (Oubre?). This year I think Miami's record is inflated since they've played 23 home games and only 12 road games so far. Add to that their players' injury history and the stronger East. I expect their pick will end up mid-1st but I wouldn't be surprised it ended up being late lottery.
I thought not re-signing Ish Smith was a mistake because he worked so well with Noel. They did sign Marshall and they had Wroten. Both were returning from injury but it was reasonable to assume they could hand the PG duties for a tanking team. From a tanking perspective not having Smith and other veterans from the start of the season was a good thing. The Lakers only have 8 wins. The Sixers need to make sure that the Lakers don't out tank them.
Okafor's issues are of his own making. I don't think a couple of veterans would have affected his actions. Okafor was the right pick especially with Embiid's re-injury. Okafor has played well offensively and his defense needs a lot of work as expected. Porzingis was considered a good project but no one expected him to play this well so soon.
Come on man, this is a textbook example of the everything is perfect nothing has gone even slightly wrong viewpoint that makes the 76ers come off as complete fanatics. They have some intriguing pieces, but like all teams they have had some missteps. I could list like 20 things I don't like that the Celtics have done. You mention a few small things the 76ers could have done differently and its like I insulted mother theresa. Also Miami is way more likely to end up the 2 seed than out of the playoffs.
Actually it isn't fanatical. Going into the season I expected the Heat to finish 2nd in the East. Right now, the Heat are only 3 games ahead of being 9th in the East. They've played 23 games at home and only 12 on the road. During January, they play 11 games on the road and only 2 games at home. That includes road games against GSW, OKC, LAC, TOR and CHI and a home game against Atlanta. I think they'll have 6 to 8 losses during that stretch. The Heat have also been quite healthy so far. Wade has only missed 1 game. I doubt they'll continue to remain that healthy. If I had to bet now, I'd say the Heat finish 6th in the East but 9th isn't out of the question.
It certainly would have been better for the Sixers if they got the Heat pick last draft but getting it this draft is still a positive for them. A Sixers fanatic would project the Heat as bottom 10 team this season so the pick wouldn't convey. The Miami pick becomes unprotected in 2017 and the 2017 draft is projected to be better than the 2016 draft.
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