Joakim Noah might be available. (Merged Threads)

[liam]

Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others.  Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens.  Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace.  All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30.  Never would have seen it coming for either.  Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30.  Same thing happened with Luol Deng too. 

Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30.  You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.

Didn't Deng and Noah both get run into the ground by Tibbs? Makes you wonder how Jimmy Butler will hold up.

[saltlover]

Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others.  Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens.  Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace.  All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30.  Never would have seen it coming for either.  Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30.  Same thing happened with Luol Deng too. 

Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30.  You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.

Didn't Deng and Noah both get run into the ground by Tibbs? Makes you wonder how Jimmy Butler will hold up.

People hypothesize that, but in the case of Deng he had two healthy and productive years in Miami after Thibs, and then his game went off a cliff in LA.  There are other examples too (Roy Hibbert) to remind us that even in this generation of improved training and medicine, some guys just crater about 5 years earlier than you might expect.

[indeedproceed]

Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others.  Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens.  Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace.  All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30.  Never would have seen it coming for either.  Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30.  Same thing happened with Luol Deng too. 

Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30.  You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.

Didn't Deng and Noah both get run into the ground by Tibbs? Makes you wonder how Jimmy Butler will hold up.

People hypothesize that, but in the case of Deng he had two healthy and productive years in Miami after Thibs, and then his game went off a cliff in LA.  There are other examples too (Roy Hibbert) to remind us that even in this generation of improved training and medicine, some guys just crater about 5 years earlier than you might expect.

I think the kind of miles and the kind of person is integral to the way they age. D-Wade is a great example of a lot of 'hard miles' early on in his career. Gerald 'Crash' Wallace is another good example. Wade is likely good for a throwback game once in a great while but his body just can't recover as quickly and daily maintenance to maintain peak condition has probably tripled or quadrupled from the time he was 25.

But the kind of person you are and the way you approach changing your game and your body as you age is also critically important. Jamal Crawford is a great example of a person who never stopped recommitting to his craft and his body. Vince Carter is a guy who probably puts in hours we don't believe just to maintain his old man game. Ray Allen of course is immortal.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others.  Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens.  Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace.  All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30.  Never would have seen it coming for either.  Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30.  Same thing happened with Luol Deng too. 

Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30.  You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.

Didn't Deng and Noah both get run into the ground by Tibbs? Makes you wonder how Jimmy Butler will hold up.

People hypothesize that, but in the case of Deng he had two healthy and productive years in Miami after Thibs, and then his game went off a cliff in LA.  There are other examples too (Roy Hibbert) to remind us that even in this generation of improved training and medicine, some guys just crater about 5 years earlier than you might expect.

I dunno. Is Luol Deng's game really that bad? He literally never sees the floor so there is hardly any basis to say if his touch is gone or not. For one I suspect he still has decent enough defensive chops to help LeBron out on undesired defensive assignments. He may not be worth the 18 million a year he is owed but he is worth something

[Big333223]

Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others.  Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens.  Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace.  All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30.  Never would have seen it coming for either.  Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30.  Same thing happened with Luol Deng too. 

Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30.  You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.

Didn't Deng and Noah both get run into the ground by Tibbs? Makes you wonder how Jimmy Butler will hold up.

People hypothesize that, but in the case of Deng he had two healthy and productive years in Miami after Thibs, and then his game went off a cliff in LA.  There are other examples too (Roy Hibbert) to remind us that even in this generation of improved training and medicine, some guys just crater about 5 years earlier than you might expect.

I dunno. Is Luol Deng's game really that bad? He literally never sees the floor so there is hardly any basis to say if his touch is gone or not. For one I suspect he still has decent enough defensive chops to help LeBron out on undesired defensive assignments. He may not be worth the 18 million a year he is owed but he is worth something

The fact that he never saw the floor for a bad team last year is, in itself, reason to conclude he's lost it.

But the year before, he played 26 mpg and was awful in those minutes.

[rondofan1255]

Sources: The Knicks and center Joakim Noah are expected to part ways before training camp; team has continued to work trade calls, although waiving and stretching Noah's contract looms as a route.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1040649426895814656

[konkmv]

The issue is always to see if you need the strengths a guy has.. noah was a good defensive center.. was... you probably play with tatum Horford as frontcourt with baynes morris theis coming from  bench.. and you got yabu and williams too where will he play?find a player to replace bird and we are ok

[SparzWizard]

Sources: The Knicks and center Joakim Noah are expected to part ways before training camp; team has continued to work trade calls, although waiving and stretching Noah's contract looms as a route.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1040649426895814656

Send him to Minnesota. They're becoming the Minnesota Timberbulls after all.

[JSD]

Always thought a Deng for Noah experiment made send for both the Lakers and Knickerbockers. Too late with Deng waived

[GreenWarrior]

is this thread a warning?

[timpiker]

I don't know that Noah's cooked.  I never appreciated his game much but the guy hasn't played in a long time nor with the right team around him.  If I were the C's I'd kick the tires.  I recall Horford saying last year that Noah still had game.  He might become a reliable sub for Horford - good D, passing and rebounding. 

[nickagneta]

I actually always liked Noah's game, especially at his peak. He was one of the best defensive bigs and players in the league, a good rebounder and an excellent passing big man that knew his limitations on offense and played within himself being content to set picks, roll to the basket, be a garbage man and occasionally get hot from mid range.

Sadly, Thibs ran every player into the ground and he lost his athleticism and his game nosedived.

[spikelovetheCelts]

He look terrible in the DLeague game i saw him in against Maine.

[rondofan1255]

Sources on @TheAthleticNBA @WatchStadium: Joakim Noah and the New York Knicks are near agreement on his waive and stretch. Noah will not report to training camp this week as sides part ways before media day.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1043846052854550529?s=21

Noah has worked diligently this offseason, and several teams are monitoring his upcoming entrance in free agency.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1043847528746291201?s=21

[SHAQATTACK]

not even for free