WOJ BOMB, paul george and hayward!!!?

[BitterJim]

Is there any benefit to (assuming Hayward gets signed) trading for George for one year and then having him leave as a free agent?  Is there any cap benefit that might help in 18-19 and beyond?

Having trouble figuring out why they'd do this without being assured he'll sign an extension.

is there anything clearly stating one way or the other if there's an agreement to extend or not?  no extension agreement should lessen the quality of the pick going out to Indy.  still ok with moving AB and Crowder in the deal if we're getting Hayward first

Because the only way to extend George would require too much being sent out in salary to make sense.  (Either every player but Horford and the newly signed Hayward would be traded, including IT, or Horford would have to be moved with at least one other player.)

Are you sure this is right? I've read that it's better for PG to extend now verses after next season so he will get more money in the long run.

It really is dependent upon if Ainge is willing to take a risk and rent him for a year and convince him to stay. Ainge has the assets to either rent him or sign him long term. Indy knows they can't get anything better than that Nets & Lakers pick.

They don't want Love
They don't want Randle, Ingram or Clarkson
They don't want Porter

They are waiting until this weekend...just my opinion.

I don't know where you read that, but that source is wrong

This is why it's better for PG to take extension now.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246460/Paul-Georges-RE-Would-Be-

This is the important part of that:

Boston would be required to keep the cap space necessary to increase George's salary to the max, which is $10.2 million.

The article is confusing an extension with a renegotiation. A renegotiation would be his best bet, no arguments here. But that is the situation saltlover is talking about when he says that we would need to get rid of Horford or everyone but Horford.

The best choice for George would be signing a 4 year max with Bird raises and a 4th year ETO next offseason

[erisred]

It could make the bench thin, but if we could just keep Rozier OR Smart, we should be ok.

IT
Jaylen
Hayward
George
Horford
---------
Rozier or Smart
Tatum
Zizic

Would need to try and pickup a PF with whatever exception we have to use.  Keeping Smart would obviously make that 2nd unit very strong, but he is up for an extension soon. So might need to part with him for luxury tax purposes. Paying 4 players a max contract is gonna make it costly for Wyc to extend Smart. Might be better to keep Rozier instead. (Trade AB, Smart, Crowder all to Indiana)

Remember to include, at least, Nadar, Theis, Ojeleye and maybe Davis and Bird, so you might see...

IT
Brown
Hayward
George
Horford

Rozier or Smart (or both)
Nadar
Tatum
Ojeleye
Zizic
Theis

and room for two to four vet min contracts

plus room for two-way contracts
Bird
Davis
Yabs (or overseas again)

[Snakehead]

If they can do this and keep Smart I am happy.  The roster will be thin but we should have picks still.

[BlackCeltic]

If PG doesn't resign next year I think Cousins would be the target. Nice plan B.

[Snakehead]

If PG doesn't resign next year I think Cousins would be the target. Nice plan B.

I think if they do this there has to be some handshake agreement at least.

[KGBirdBias]

Is there any benefit to (assuming Hayward gets signed) trading for George for one year and then having him leave as a free agent?  Is there any cap benefit that might help in 18-19 and beyond?

Having trouble figuring out why they'd do this without being assured he'll sign an extension.

is there anything clearly stating one way or the other if there's an agreement to extend or not?  no extension agreement should lessen the quality of the pick going out to Indy.  still ok with moving AB and Crowder in the deal if we're getting Hayward first

Because the only way to extend George would require too much being sent out in salary to make sense.  (Either every player but Horford and the newly signed Hayward would be traded, including IT, or Horford would have to be moved with at least one other player.)

Are you sure this is right? I've read that it's better for PG to extend now verses after next season so he will get more money in the long run.

It really is dependent upon if Ainge is willing to take a risk and rent him for a year and convince him to stay. Ainge has the assets to either rent him or sign him long term. Indy knows they can't get anything better than that Nets & Lakers pick.

They don't want Love
They don't want Randle, Ingram or Clarkson
They don't want Porter

They are waiting until this weekend...just my opinion.

I don't know where you read that, but that source is wrong

This is why it's better for PG to take extension now.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246460/Paul-Georges-RE-Would-Be-

Yes, but as I've said about 50 times now, the Celtics can not give him that extension and sign Hayward, unless they trade all of the following players to create cap room:

Bradley
Crowder
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
IT

or Horford and 1-2 of those guys, depending on which.  Neither is an option, so that's why such an extension isn't happening.

The extension that Jim says would be bad for George would have him make his contracted amount next season, about $24 million the following season, and $25 million in season 3, which is far worse than he'd do in free agency.  But that's the only extension George could sign given our cap space.

Please explain that if they move AB, Crowder, Zeller and do not resign IT next year how this deal cannot get done? Oh plus the two draft picks (Nets & Lakers) I'm slow. LOL That is more than enough money going out.

[KGBirdBias]

Yes, the key is keeping $10M in cap space free to resign PG. I think Ainge can do that with all these rookies he has.

[RJ87]

Sources on @TheVertical: Boston working to sequence the acquisitions of Gordon Hayward and Paul George.

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/879766343867912193

I can't open twitter at work.  can someone recap it for me for a TP?

Woj simply stated that Ainge's plan is to trade for George after they sign Hayward, which is contingent on whether or not they can get a handshake agreement with Gordon before hand, so they can make the trade easily after FA.

Woj reports that the only issue is that Pacers may or may not want to wait, and may go ahead and trade for someone else, or that Hayward simply flakes. Which then Woj reports, Griffin may also be a second option just incase Hayward doesn't work out, and that George may stay if involved in a championship caliber kind of team.

That's a point that I brought up in the thread yesterday - we can't really expect Indy to pull him off the table until July 8th when the free agent moratorium ends - that would be a disservice to their franchise. Another team can easily swoop in with a tempting offer and blow up Ainge's master plan.

[celticinorlando]

I think this is why danny did not draft any euro draft and stash players. He needs ready players.

[colincb]

For what it's worth, I'm still a skeptic on this rumor.  It seems much more likely that it's something the Pacers put out there to encourage the Lakers to step up their game than this is actually sourced from the Celtics.

This is very much worth noting. It's always important to ask why a rumor leaks.

Not sure what the Lakers could really add to the pot or the Nuggets/Cavs either. There's really no immediate time limit on this either despite what the Yahoo piece says unless other teams step forward to do something stupid. Cs easily have the most to offer assuming there are rational actors on other teams.

Big questions are what PG will do and whether GH or BG will come first. Those are two major hurdles and I'm still not convinced that PG is willing to commit elsewhere. Cap ramifications down the road would be tough, but Cs are going to face cap/tax problem anyhow. While the added playoff games lessen the luxury tax effect on income, owners really benefit from the increased franchise value. That is where teams really benefit financially. You can borrow against that in the short term if you need to fund operations and take a huge capital gain long-term if/when you sell.

We may need to think of a Big 4 surrounded by a lot of guys on rookie deals and Horford eventually riding off in the future, but there are a lot of moving parts to pull off. While I trust our FO's abilities, there are going to be other actors in the process that can screw this up easily enough, beginning with PG.

[saltlover]

Is there any benefit to (assuming Hayward gets signed) trading for George for one year and then having him leave as a free agent?  Is there any cap benefit that might help in 18-19 and beyond?

Having trouble figuring out why they'd do this without being assured he'll sign an extension.

is there anything clearly stating one way or the other if there's an agreement to extend or not?  no extension agreement should lessen the quality of the pick going out to Indy.  still ok with moving AB and Crowder in the deal if we're getting Hayward first

Because the only way to extend George would require too much being sent out in salary to make sense.  (Either every player but Horford and the newly signed Hayward would be traded, including IT, or Horford would have to be moved with at least one other player.)

Are you sure this is right? I've read that it's better for PG to extend now verses after next season so he will get more money in the long run.

It really is dependent upon if Ainge is willing to take a risk and rent him for a year and convince him to stay. Ainge has the assets to either rent him or sign him long term. Indy knows they can't get anything better than that Nets & Lakers pick.

They don't want Love
They don't want Randle, Ingram or Clarkson
They don't want Porter

They are waiting until this weekend...just my opinion.

I don't know where you read that, but that source is wrong

This is why it's better for PG to take extension now.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246460/Paul-Georges-RE-Would-Be-

Yes, but as I've said about 50 times now, the Celtics can not give him that extension and sign Hayward, unless they trade all of the following players to create cap room:

Bradley
Crowder
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Rozier
IT

or Horford and 1-2 of those guys, depending on which.  Neither is an option, so that's why such an extension isn't happening.

The extension that Jim says would be bad for George would have him make his contracted amount next season, about $24 million the following season, and $25 million in season 3, which is far worse than he'd do in free agency.  But that's the only extension George could sign given our cap space.

Please explain that if they move AB, Crowder, Zeller and do not resign IT next year how this deal cannot get done? Oh plus the two draft picks (Nets & Lakers) I'm slow. LOL That is more than enough money going out.

Because your article, if you actually read the entire thing, is how to sign George to an extension THIS JULY.  So next week.  In order to do that, you need cap room equal to the amount you want to give him.  That's not hard.  Except that you also want to sign Hayward for the exact same amount of money.  So you need just under $60 million of cap space to do so.  If the Celtics let every free agent walk, release their non-guaranteed players, and keep Yabusele overseas, they would have $27.6 million in cap space.  So they need to clear $32 million after letting Olynyk walk, Amir walk, Jerebko walk, Green walk, Young walk, released Zeller, and released Mickey.  Trading away all those other players I listed above get the Celtics up to $60.8 million in cap space.  Maybe they could keep Rozier, depending where the cap ultimately ends up, which would leave them with $59.7 million in cap space, especially if they trade Jackson.

But no, this has nothing to do with letting IT walk NEXT year, because you need the money THIS year.

This is the last time I'm explaining this.  It's gotten tired.

[Alleyoopster]

Don't do it Danny.....giving up too much.

[Valid]

Don't do it Danny.....giving up too much.

You don't even know what the Celtics would be giving up, and they would be landing two All-Star caliber players to join two other All-Star caliber players already on the team.

[Quetzalcoatl]

What I think is going to happen is we'll trade Bradley for a late 1st rounder that hits in 2021 and save the salary that way.  Something like that

[Jvalin]

What I think is going to happen is we'll trade Bradley for a late 1st rounder that hits in 2021 and save the salary that way.  Something like that

If we trade Bradley for future pick(s), how will we match salaries for George?