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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: jpotter33 on February 06, 2018, 05:35:37 PM
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758056-lebron-james-reportedly-cursed-at-cavaliers-executives-in-heated-meeting?share=other
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Looking more and more likely that Cleveland is looking toward life after Lebron, and they’re not going to make any big trade deadline splash with the Brooklyn pick.
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My god, what a travesty LOL!
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758056-lebron-james-reportedly-cursed-at-cavaliers-executives-in-heated-meeting?share=other
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Looking more and more likely that Cleveland is looking toward life after Lebron, and they’re not going to make any big trade deadline splash with the Brooklyn pick.
That team is about as big a mess as I can remember seeing in the NBA, at least for a team that was supposed to compete for the finals.
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The Cavs should send James to the G-League for that. That's totally inappropriate behaviour.
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If it weren't for Lebron's NTC, I think CLE would have shipped him out by now. :laugh:
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If it weren't for Lebron's NTC, I think CLE would have shipped him out by now. :laugh:
Yeah, I think this is the most underrated part of the story. He could do Cleveland a HUGE favor and help them kick-start a rebuild, but he is refusing to waive his NTC. And it's not like he would get sent off to SAC - he can choose where wants to go.
This seems bad, but we haven't seen the worst of it yet (Cleveland losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs and then ditching the city/team in FA).
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If it weren't for Lebron's NTC, I think CLE would have shipped him out by now. :laugh:
Yeah, I think this is the most underrated part of the story. He could do Cleveland a HUGE favor and help them kick-start a rebuild, but he is refusing to waive his NTC. And it's not like he would get sent off to SAC - he can choose where wants to go.
This seems bad, but we haven't seen the worst of it yet (Cleveland losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs and then ditching the city/team in FA).
Max Kellerman (although I hate his anti-Boston takes) made a good point, that Lebron would not waive his NTC because he wants to win titles, and so gutting your roster to acquire Lebron does not accomplish that. Better to just wait until FA and join that team with most of it's roster intact (like Houston or San Antonio). But that's assuming he even takes a pay-cut in FA (which I doubt, so we'll see).
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If it weren't for Lebron's NTC, I think CLE would have shipped him out by now. :laugh:
It would be the smart thing to do from a team prospective. Move him for expiring players, a few vets and lots of draft picks. Sadly his clause means he can negate all trades and leave as a free agent , no doubt he is leaving. I think Cleveland needs to step up and post he's available. Let lebron act like a baby. He got Paul Silas fired all those years ago, they should know what he's like by this point
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If it weren't for Lebron's NTC, I think CLE would have shipped him out by now. :laugh:
Yeah, I think this is the most underrated part of the story. He could do Cleveland a HUGE favor and help them kick-start a rebuild, but he is refusing to waive his NTC. And it's not like he would get sent off to SAC - he can choose where wants to go.
This seems bad, but we haven't seen the worst of it yet (Cleveland losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs and then ditching the city/team in FA).
Max Kellerman (although I hate his anti-Boston takes) made a good point, that Lebron would not waive his NTC because he wants to win titles, and so gutting your roster to acquire Lebron does not accomplish that. Better to just wait until FA and join that team with most of it's roster intact (like Houston or San Antonio). But that's assuming he even takes a pay-cut in FA (which I doubt, so we'll see).
The thing with this is he's going to have to join an already gutted roster anyways if the team is to have enough cap space to sign him. How many teams have over $30 mil in cap space next offseason? And how many of them are better than what a "gutted" team would look like that's looking to trade for Lebron?
I dunno. Let's all remember last time this happened, Lebron had a plan in place already and nobody heard a whisper about it until The Decision. Maybe he's got something lined up with PG13 or Cousins or Carmelo? But where? Chicago? LAL? Philly? I dunno.
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I wonder if his ego could handle getting released via waivers?
That would be funny as hell.
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If it weren't for Lebron's NTC, I think CLE would have shipped him out by now. :laugh:
It would be the smart thing to do from a team prospective. Move him for expiring players, a few vets and lots of draft picks. Sadly his clause means he can negate all trades and leave as a free agent , no doubt he is leaving. I think Cleveland needs to step up and post he's available. Let lebron act like a baby. He got Paul Silas fired all those years ago, they should know what he's like by this point
That would be petty and counter-productive. A lot of this is Gilbert’s fault — David Griffin did a very good job with that team and had LeBron’s trust. Letting him go was inane. There are two giant egos in Cleveland, and they’re both at fault. But at this point the best the Cavs can do is make nice, hope playoff LeBron emerges so they have one final run before the divorce. And also help facilitate a sign-and-trade so you get something for him in the summer.
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What I don't get from LBJ's point of view is this: If he leaves in free agency, he looks like a bad guy again. He *chose* to leave. If he gets traded, then it wasn't his choice to leave, it was the team's choice and he saves some face. And behind closed doors, he got to choose his location by having the NTC. It would look really bad on Cleveland to publicly trade him somewhere he doesn't wanna go and then have him use his NTC, so the discussion is had privately where LBJ says what teams he'll accept a trade to.
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I wonder if his ego could handle getting released via waivers?
That would be funny as hell.
Can the Cavs owner’s ego handle paying LeBron $35 million next year while he plays for another team for the minimum?
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Cleveland should suspend him, and see how hard the other guys play when ownership stands up to LeBron thinking he owns the team. Imagine the look on his face when the team wins a few without him.
As for totally absurd trades, LeBron for Hayward & Morris works. Irving would looooooove it.
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I wonder if his ego could handle getting released via waivers?
That would be funny as hell.
Can the Cavs owner’s ego handle paying LeBron $35 million next year while he plays for another team for the minimum?
I'm assuming this means he has a player option. I thought he was just a straight up free agent.
Yeah, that wouldn't work. Otherwise, it'd be friggen awesome.
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Cleveland should suspend him, and see how hard the other guys play when ownership stands up to LeBron thinking he owns the team. Imagine the look on his face when the team wins a few without him.
As for totally absurd trades, LeBron for Hayward & Morris works. Irving would looooooove it.
Beautiful Idea! DO IT! :laugh:
And honestly I kind of hope Isaiah, Crowder, etc. all demand trades out of there LOL. Frankly I think they need to escape that toxic environment.
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Cleveland should suspend him, and see how hard the other guys play when ownership stands up to LeBron thinking he owns the team. Imagine the look on his face when the team wins a few without him.
As for totally absurd trades, LeBron for Hayward & Morris works. Irving would looooooove it.
Beautiful Idea! DO IT! :laugh:
And honestly I kind of hope Isaiah, Crowder, etc. all demand trades out of there LOL. Frankly I think they need to escape that toxic environment.
Can they escape a toxic environment they've contributed to? Particularly IT. His finger pointing isn't doing that team any favors, and the fanbase has completely turned on him. Recently, IT called out their defensive effort. Let that sink in. Isaiah. Calling. Out. Defense. Fans let him have it on reddit. As one fan so eloquently put it:
How tone-deaf can you possibly be. You enter this championship team of established veterans, play like *ss for a month straight and go around calling dudes out? It's not even "we gotta step it up" kind of talk, it's "why do you all suck so much" talk. **** dude.
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I do remember when the Irving/Thomas trade went I had posted something to the effect:
Crowder would be a sub
James would leave when his contract was up
Thomas would leave for better contract
Zizac might not pan out
Draft pick.....
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Cleveland should suspend him, and see how hard the other guys play when ownership stands up to LeBron thinking he owns the team. Imagine the look on his face when the team wins a few without him.
As for totally absurd trades, LeBron for Hayward & Morris works. Irving would looooooove it.
Beautiful Idea! DO IT! :laugh:
And honestly I kind of hope Isaiah, Crowder, etc. all demand trades out of there LOL. Frankly I think they need to escape that toxic environment.
Would be the most glorious tank job ever if they just sent LeBron home to sulk, and had a fire sale on everything else. Their own pick could go as high as #10 or so with Love also out for a long time.
If I'm Cleveland ownership, my dream is to have 2+ lottery picks, clear some bad contracts, and maybe make a play for Anthony Davis + cap room.
Kevin Love + #5 + #10 + more draft picks isn't a terrible start.
But no, I'm sure they'll just keep everything real miserable for a few more months instead.
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I do remember when the Irving/Thomas trade went I had posted something to the effect:
Crowder would be a sub
James would leave when his contract was up
Thomas would leave for better contract
Zizac might not pan out
Draft pick.....
What ever happened to Zizic. Cavs never give him playing time even if the rest of the team is playing trash one night (getting blown out).
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Cleveland should suspend him, and see how hard the other guys play when ownership stands up to LeBron thinking he owns the team. Imagine the look on his face when the team wins a few without him.
As for totally absurd trades, LeBron for Hayward & Morris works. Irving would looooooove it.
Beautiful Idea! DO IT! :laugh:
And honestly I kind of hope Isaiah, Crowder, etc. all demand trades out of there LOL. Frankly I think they need to escape that toxic environment.
Would be the most glorious tank job ever if they just sent LeBron home to sulk, and had a fire sale on everything else. Their own pick could go as high as #10 or so with Love also out for a long time.
If I'm Cleveland ownership, my dream is to have 2+ lottery picks, clear some bad contracts, and maybe make a play for Anthony Davis + cap room.
Kevin Love + #5 + #10 + more draft picks isn't a terrible start.
But no, I'm sure they'll just keep everything real miserable for a few more months instead.
TP....great idea. I'd do it in a heartbeat and let the king play with a bunch of d-Leaguers. Hey, threaten him with that unless he revokes his NTC.
As nick said in the thread on a Cavs/Lakers trade, Gilbert doesn't have the stones to do any of that.
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Cleveland should suspend him, and see how hard the other guys play when ownership stands up to LeBron thinking he owns the team. Imagine the look on his face when the team wins a few without him.
As for totally absurd trades, LeBron for Hayward & Morris works. Irving would looooooove it.
Beautiful Idea! DO IT! :laugh:
And honestly I kind of hope Isaiah, Crowder, etc. all demand trades out of there LOL. Frankly I think they need to escape that toxic environment.
Can they escape a toxic environment they've contributed to? Particularly IT. His finger pointing isn't doing that team any favors, and the fanbase has completely turned on him. Recently, IT called out their defensive effort. Let that sink in. Isaiah. Calling. Out. Defense. Fans let him have it on reddit. As one fan so eloquently put it:
How tone-deaf can you possibly be. You enter this championship team of established veterans, play like *ss for a month straight and go around calling dudes out? It's not even "we gotta step it up" kind of talk, it's "why do you all suck so much" talk. **** dude.
IT will work on defense. His size is a negative but he gives his all. Not all of his teammates can say that
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el oh el! this guy is just trash compared to all the past "best" players in the league.
he runs the team and when it doesn't work out he turns and blames the front office. this right here is why I will never concede the he's "one of the greatest to ever play the game". he's not in my top 5 and I doubt he'd make my top 10.
he's a joke.
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If it weren't for Lebron's NTC, I think CLE would have shipped him out by now. :laugh:
Yeah, I think this is the most underrated part of the story. He could do Cleveland a HUGE favor and help them kick-start a rebuild, but he is refusing to waive his NTC. And it's not like he would get sent off to SAC - he can choose where wants to go.
This seems bad, but we haven't seen the worst of it yet (Cleveland losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs and then ditching the city/team in FA).
Max Kellerman (although I hate his anti-Boston takes) made a good point, that Lebron would not waive his NTC because he wants to win titles, and so gutting your roster to acquire Lebron does not accomplish that. Better to just wait until FA and join that team with most of it's roster intact (like Houston or San Antonio). But that's assuming he even takes a pay-cut in FA (which I doubt, so we'll see).
Well, he went to a loaded Miami squad, and then back to Cleveland once it had reloaded. I've completely expected him to require Cleveland to mortgage its future and then bail when the window passed. Guess it came up a little sooner than expected.
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LeBron is creating and leaking this crap to look less like a monster when he jumps ship again. That's the whole story.
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According to The Athletic's Jason Lloyd, "James cursed toward at least two team executives" during the late January team meeting in which some players questioned the legitimacy of Kevin Love's illness.
Cleveland has two executives?
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Everything's all good now move along. Cavs traded a bunch of washed-up players for newer bloods and they showcased their first game together against a pathetic Celtics team at home with no sense of urgency.
A game that PP34 had to watch in front of him, felt bad.
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Old news. At least for now, their ship is righted.
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Im sure as Lebron experienced the fan appreciation Pierce got in Boston and had to think will I recieve the same one day even if I jump ship again. Now my team is rebuilt . The ball is in my court once again to perform , maybe be loyal ? By winning and the Pierce day surely put confusion in Lebrons mind once again.
Then Lakers fans are on pin and needles whether he ll come if his team picks up too much.