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Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2019, 03:33:04 AM »

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And no, he didn't change much cause I didn't worry about LA until Shaq got there.

Didint Shaq come in with Kobe???

Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2019, 03:36:37 AM »

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Here's the thing, though.

If we DON'T trade for AD and leave the team AS IS - where does THAT leave us?

Would Jaylen be content coming off the bench for the rest of his career? Not fair to him - he has the talent to start on most teams out there.

Same with Jayson...with his star shining so brightly shouldn't he get the opportunity to be the face of another team?

If we keep this team AS IS - can they achieve greatness?

Do we keep GH in a bench role - even though he is CLEARLY trending back to his All-Star level play?

We've got a log-jam here....a critical point in this team's future.

Now - "IF" this team somehow goes on to win Banner 18 THIS YEAR - my argument is a bit moot. I've been wrong before and I'd own it if I were wrong again.

But for the time being you make this trade for Anthony Davis...just my take.

So we're just chopped-liver now? We're one of the few best teams in the league and you don't see that's BECAUSE of Tatum, JB and Smart.

I know y'all can't see that because you're too busy looking at their weaknesses to see their strengths. JB looks more like the second coming of Kobe than any player in the league right now, and he's the one that's given the most crap.

All of y'all have watched the league for years, so I don't know why y'all think 2nd and 3rd year players are peak.  It is never that way.

AD, Gordon and Kyrie are not beating the Warriors...cause that's all you're gonna be able to afford with this direction you wanna go.
Second coming of Kobe??? Seriously? I like our young guys too, but no wonder why other team's fans call Celtics fans delusional. As for the last part, I would take prime AD, prime Kyrie, and Brad Stevens over any other team in the league right now (including our own).

I am for the youth movement but JB aint no Kobe.

Kobe wasn't no Kobe in his third year...that's my point.

Oh yes he was... you better go back and look. Kobe was Kobe his first year in the league.

Kobe was out of high school, young and light in the butt. His game looked Jordanish and was recognized for it, but everyone knew he wouldn't be a game-changer until later.

He wasn't even better than me back then. Stop it :)

better than Kobe? Ruben Patterson, is that you?

Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2019, 08:30:25 AM »

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Here's the thing, though.

If we DON'T trade for AD and leave the team AS IS - where does THAT leave us?

Would Jaylen be content coming off the bench for the rest of his career? Not fair to him - he has the talent to start on most teams out there.

Same with Jayson...with his star shining so brightly shouldn't he get the opportunity to be the face of another team?

If we keep this team AS IS - can they achieve greatness?

Do we keep GH in a bench role - even though he is CLEARLY trending back to his All-Star level play?

We've got a log-jam here....a critical point in this team's future.

Now - "IF" this team somehow goes on to win Banner 18 THIS YEAR - my argument is a bit moot. I've been wrong before and I'd own it if I were wrong again.

But for the time being you make this trade for Anthony Davis...just my take.

So we're just chopped-liver now? We're one of the few best teams in the league and you don't see that's BECAUSE of Tatum, JB and Smart.

I know y'all can't see that because you're too busy looking at their weaknesses to see their strengths. JB looks more like the second coming of Kobe than any player in the league right now, and he's the one that's given the most crap.

All of y'all have watched the league for years, so I don't know why y'all think 2nd and 3rd year players are peak.  It is never that way.

AD, Gordon and Kyrie are not beating the Warriors...cause that's all you're gonna be able to afford with this direction you wanna go.
Second coming of Kobe??? Seriously? I like our young guys too, but no wonder why other team's fans call Celtics fans delusional. As for the last part, I would take prime AD, prime Kyrie, and Brad Stevens over any other team in the league right now (including our own).

I am for the youth movement but JB aint no Kobe.

Kobe wasn't no Kobe in his third year...that's my point.

Oh yes he was... you better go back and look. Kobe was Kobe his first year in the league.

Kobe was out of high school, young and light in the butt. His game looked Jordanish and was recognized for it, but everyone knew he wouldn't be a game-changer until later.

He wasn't even better than me back then. Stop it :)
He was literally already an All-Star at the stage of his career you’re referring to.

Sounds like a game changer to me.

What year do you think Kobe came out? You realize he was 18 out of high school with players like Eddie Jones ahead of him? You realize Jones and other players were real good right?

You really think he had 20 points a game his rookie year? No wonder I'm having such a hard time understanding.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

Maybe I’m having a hard time understanding because your point is inconsistent. You went from JB is looking like the next Kobe, to Kobe being in his 3rd year wasn’t “really Kobe”, to rookie Kobe not being a 20 point scorer.

7points his rookie year, 15 his second, 19 his third...sounds to me like he was becoming "Kobe"

Just like I said.
No, because JB isn’t even close to this level, unlike what you said.

Also, as Moranis says, Shaq was already there, and Kobe was his clearcut #2 in their first championship run - in Kobe’s 4th year.

JB is a better rebounder and defender at this stage and there's not much of a point differential.

If you see him in a lower tier at this stage, it's only cause you must be a Kobe fan.
My god man. How is JB’s marginal rebounding advantage worth mentioning, but Kobe’s 7 more points per game is “not much of a differential”.

How about Kobe, a guy notorious for not passing the ball, averaging approximately triple the assists per game JB does at the same stage in their career.

And no, I’m not. It’s called realism. Almost nobody compares JB to Kobe, for good reason. Kobe at age 20 was an All-Star who was 1 year away from being a crucial part of a 3 peat, while Jaylen Brown is a bench player at age 22. No comparison, and you’re absolutely blinded by homerism if you think there is.

If the comparison was Jimmy Butler it would make sense. Much more similar play styles and developmental arcs.

That turnaround doesn't look similar? The dunks? Only difference is ball handling and JB looks like he's gonna be alright with that.

All this nonsense because you missed my entire point and still never mention it.

This team is resilient for a reason. It has more chemistry than you give them credit for, and key guys stay on the floor without getting hurt.

Give the keys to a couple guys that barely play 60 games a year then.
If that’s the only difference you see then there’s no discussion.

I don’t know when I even talked about chemistry. I wasn’t part of that debate with you, so I’m not sure what poster you’ve got me confused for.

Then why attack me and change the argument when I'm posting to someone else?
Far out dude. You made a post saying JB is the closest thing to young Kobe in the league. I say that that's nonsense. That isn't attacking at all.

The whole point of the forum is so that multiple people can engage on multiple points.

That's funny cause you just said there's no discussion and that was after you failed to grasp my point.

And I don't care enough about Kobe to argue at length about him.

My point was I think it's best to keep the team intact and let it evolve naturally...cause honestly Danny did a good job constructing this team, so looking at the neighbors grass after a job well done makes no sense.

I'm not about to pacify Kobe fans on a Celts board either :) The reactions crack me up...reminds me of arguing with my nephew about him

Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2019, 08:34:17 AM »

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Oh yeah...Lebron will never be Mike :) Or even Pippen

Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2019, 08:41:17 AM »

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And no, he didn't change much cause I didn't worry about LA until Shaq got there.

Didint Shaq come in with Kobe???

I already stated I forgot about that

Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2019, 09:16:03 AM »

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Oh yeah...Lebron will never be Mike :) Or even Pippen
Just so I'm clear - you're saying Pippen is superior to LeBron? Oh man.

Half this thread is just some display of the continued influence effect, lol.
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Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2019, 09:18:24 AM »

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There'll always be folks who get attached to the current version of the team and lash out against trades. Jae Crowder, IT, Al Jefferson, last year's No. 1 pick (i.e. Fultz), even the Pierce/KG trade. There's always sentimentality, belief in the underdog, love for the scrappy... that's a defining characteristic of Boston sports. But you know what? For all the titles this city has won, how many came from the scrappy underdog? A couple, to be sure, but Bird was no underdog, nor was Brady, Ortiz, Russell, etc. You need the best of the best - the all-timers - to win. I love Tatum... LOVE his game. Would LOVE to see him turn into the next Kobe/Pierce/etc. in Boston. I would rather have a top-5 player in his prime because that's the sure thing, and despite Tatum's promise it's not a sure thing until it's here. As for the uncertainty of leaving in free agency, I trust that Danny won't make that trade if he doesn't have some kind of assurance, so that's moot. All the LA talk is fake news, f'real. Only thing that makes it difficult to trade Tatum for AD is if these guys come out of the East and take a couple games in the Finals. In which case.... I'll cross that bridge when we get to it :D
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Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2019, 09:38:36 AM »

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Oh yeah...Lebron will never be Mike :) Or even Pippen
Just so I'm clear - you're saying Pippen is superior to LeBron? Oh man.

Half this thread is just some display of the continued influence effect, lol.

Do you realize how superior Pippen's defense was compared to Lebron?

And you do realize Pippen was the point and controlled the whole show, basically. 

And no team Lebron led to a championship would have any shot at beating those 2 dudes. As much as Chicago was a scoring machine, they suffocated every team with their defense especially in the last 6 minutes...to the point where no matter who it was or what team...they were scared to put the ball in the air in crunch time.

Y'all have to be young...and have no idea.

And quite frankly those 2 dudes were just too intelligent to ever lose to Lebron :)

Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2019, 09:40:50 AM »

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Oh yeah...Lebron will never be Mike :) Or even Pippen
Just so I'm clear - you're saying Pippen is superior to LeBron? Oh man.

Half this thread is just some display of the continued influence effect, lol.

Do you realize how superior Pippen's defense was compared to Lebron?

And you do realize Pippen was the point and controlled the whole show, basically. 

And no team Lebron led to a championship would have any shot at beating those 2 dudes. As much as Chicago was a scoring machine, they suffocated every team with their defense especially in the last 6 minutes...to the point where no matter who it was or what team...they were scared to put the ball in the air in crunch time.

Y'all have to be young...and have no idea.

And quite frankly those 2 dudes were just too intelligent to ever lose to Lebron :)
LOL. Talk about glorifying the past. No point debating anything
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Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2019, 09:55:41 AM »

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Oh yeah...Lebron will never be Mike :) Or even Pippen
Just so I'm clear - you're saying Pippen is superior to LeBron? Oh man.

Half this thread is just some display of the continued influence effect, lol.

Do you realize how superior Pippen's defense was compared to Lebron?

And you do realize Pippen was the point and controlled the whole show, basically. 

And no team Lebron led to a championship would have any shot at beating those 2 dudes. As much as Chicago was a scoring machine, they suffocated every team with their defense especially in the last 6 minutes...to the point where no matter who it was or what team...they were scared to put the ball in the air in crunch time.

Y'all have to be young...and have no idea.

And quite frankly those 2 dudes were just too intelligent to ever lose to Lebron :)
LOL. Talk about glorifying the past. No point debating anything

So you were 2 in 98 or something? That explains a lot :)

Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2019, 10:14:03 AM »

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AD seems like a jerk quitting on his team in the middle of the season.

Pearce never did that, no matter how bad we were.

Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2019, 10:25:31 AM »

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AD seems like a jerk quitting on his team in the middle of the season.

Pearce never did that, no matter how bad we were.

Paul wanted a trade to Dallas at one point.

https://nesn.com/2016/02/paul-pierce-celtics-came-real-close-to-portland-trade-i-wanted-to-go-to-dallas/

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Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2019, 10:42:15 AM »

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AD seems like a jerk quitting on his team in the middle of the season.

Pearce never did that, no matter how bad we were.
He gave them too much time, not too little. They were lucky to have him for so long and for the haul they will get for him, as they are top to bottom one of the worst franchises in the league. Player, performer like that deserves great audience, and not the attendance NOLA is attracting.
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Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2019, 11:23:53 AM »

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AD seems like a jerk quitting on his team in the middle of the season.

Pearce never did that, no matter how bad we were.
He gave them too much time, not too little. They were lucky to have him for so long and for the haul they will get for him, as they are top to bottom one of the worst franchises in the league. Player, performer like that deserves great audience, and not the attendance NOLA is attracting.

Oh please! He signed a contract paying him millions of dollars to play for New Orleans. These players are spoiled brats.

Re: AD is on another level
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2019, 12:23:06 PM »

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There'll always be folks who get attached to the current version of the team and lash out against trades.

You nailed it on the first thought   TP