Jimmy Butler (Merged Threads)

[KGs Knee]

Does anyone know why no one really likes butler?

There are plenty of players that like Butler, but Butler seems to have a serious disdain for players he views as not working at their craft as hard as he does. It stands to reason a guy like that is going to make it difficult to like him if he doesn't respect you.

[MJohnnyboy]

My guess is Miami. Butler's philosophy fits with Riley's culture, Butler is friends with Wade (as far as I know), Miami has some nice young assets (Winslow, Richardson), and they can acquire Gorgui Dieng's contract for Hassan Whiteside, who's currently a malcontent in Miami.

The Heat are short on options since they are capped out. May as well use this time to their advantage with what they have left of Dragic's prime.

Also, I really don't want that unprotected pick Miami owes Philly to pan out well for the Sixers.

[PAOBoston]

Part of me wants him to go to Philly for the pure drama aspect of it for the Atlantic Division. But I got a wierd feeling Miami ends up with him.

[liam]

Anyone else think the Spurs could get in on this Butler action? Butler and Pop seem like a fit.

[KG Living Legend]

Anyone else think the Spurs could get in on this Butler action? Butler and Pop seem like a fit.

 Cool idea. although it looks like he's wants to play in Los Angeles New York or Los Angeles

[MattyIce]

So far, Pat Riley and Miami have been as aggressive as any team in pursuit of a Jimmy Butler trade with Minnesota, league sources tell ESPN. Ownership still prefers to find a deal by early this week, sources said.

[gouki88]

Does anyone know why no one really likes butler?

There are plenty of players that like Butler, but Butler seems to have a serious disdain for players he views as not working at their craft as hard as he does. It stands to reason a guy like that is going to make it difficult to like him if he doesn't respect you.

A lot of those players that like Butler have never played with him, which is interesting

[Moranis]

I went with Brooklyn because I think they need the juice acquiring a guy like him provides.

Butler, Dieng for Crabbe, Dudley, Dinwiddie

Other players could be included to strengthen the offer, but by taking on Dieng for an expiring and significantly decreasing the Wolves overall salary, I think that is probably about as good as the Wolves are going to do.  Instead of Dudley, Carroll or Faried could be added, though they cost more and wouldn't give the Wolves the same level of savings.

[Celtics4ever]

I am just glad he won't be coming here, I think he would have messed up our chemistry.

[Moranis]

Dan Gilbert and Glen Taylor apparently had conversations about Butler at the Owner's meeting.  It seems the Cavs want to be in on the discussions and may try to really go for it this year.  Cavs also have a number of varying size salaries so plenty of deals could be worked out where the Cavs take on Dieng (and anyone else the Wolves would want to dump). 

Something like this makes some sense for both teams

Butler, Dieng for Thompson, Korver, Dekker, Zizic

Wolves save a ton of money and get out of the tax and get some toughness and rebounding next to Towns in Thompson (who is 1 less year than Dieng), a shooter off the bench in Korver, and 2 young players.  Cavs add a top level player to go for it for a year and don't lose anyone they can't afford to lose while taking on Dieng's contract. 


Now maybe Butler's market is great and the Wolves can do a lot better than that, but that is at least a credible package that serves a number of goals for the Wolves and if they don't want Thompson, the Cavs have Smith, Hill, and Clarkson with large contracts available that can be swapped in. 

[BitterJim]

I went with Brooklyn because I think they need the juice acquiring a guy like him provides.

Butler, Dieng for Crabbe, Dudley, Dinwiddie

Other players could be included to strengthen the offer, but by taking on Dieng for an expiring and significantly decreasing the Wolves overall salary, I think that is probably about as good as the Wolves are going to do.  Instead of Dudley, Carroll or Faried could be added, though they cost more and wouldn't give the Wolves the same level of savings.

I wonder if the Nets would consider throwing in an unprotected 1st rounder (or three)

[liam]

Dan Gilbert and Glen Taylor apparently had conversations about Butler at the Owner's meeting.  It seems the Cavs want to be in on the discussions and may try to really go for it this year.  Cavs also have a number of varying size salaries so plenty of deals could be worked out where the Cavs take on Dieng (and anyone else the Wolves would want to dump). 

Something like this makes some sense for both teams

Butler, Dieng for Thompson, Korver, Dekker, Zizic

Wolves save a ton of money and get out of the tax and get some toughness and rebounding next to Towns in Thompson (who is 1 less year than Dieng), a shooter off the bench in Korver, and 2 young players.  Cavs add a top level player to go for it for a year and don't lose anyone they can't afford to lose while taking on Dieng's contract. 


Now maybe Butler's market is great and the Wolves can do a lot better than that, but that is at least a credible package that serves a number of goals for the Wolves and if they don't want Thompson, the Cavs have Smith, Hill, and Clarkson with large contracts available that can be swapped in.

That's a terrible trade for the Wolves...

[makaveli]

Dan Gilbert and Glen Taylor apparently had conversations about Butler at the Owner's meeting.  It seems the Cavs want to be in on the discussions and may try to really go for it this year.  Cavs also have a number of varying size salaries so plenty of deals could be worked out where the Cavs take on Dieng (and anyone else the Wolves would want to dump). 

Something like this makes some sense for both teams

Butler, Dieng for Thompson, Korver, Dekker, Zizic

Wolves save a ton of money and get out of the tax and get some toughness and rebounding next to Towns in Thompson (who is 1 less year than Dieng), a shooter off the bench in Korver, and 2 young players.  Cavs add a top level player to go for it for a year and don't lose anyone they can't afford to lose while taking on Dieng's contract. 


Now maybe Butler's market is great and the Wolves can do a lot better than that, but that is at least a credible package that serves a number of goals for the Wolves and if they don't want Thompson, the Cavs have Smith, Hill, and Clarkson with large contracts available that can be swapped in.

That's a terrible trade for the Wolves...

how, just how do people come up with this stuff

wolves will get something nice in return, sure it will be a salary dump, but it will most surely include a top 10 pick from the last three drafts.

[Moranis]

Dan Gilbert and Glen Taylor apparently had conversations about Butler at the Owner's meeting.  It seems the Cavs want to be in on the discussions and may try to really go for it this year.  Cavs also have a number of varying size salaries so plenty of deals could be worked out where the Cavs take on Dieng (and anyone else the Wolves would want to dump). 

Something like this makes some sense for both teams

Butler, Dieng for Thompson, Korver, Dekker, Zizic

Wolves save a ton of money and get out of the tax and get some toughness and rebounding next to Towns in Thompson (who is 1 less year than Dieng), a shooter off the bench in Korver, and 2 young players.  Cavs add a top level player to go for it for a year and don't lose anyone they can't afford to lose while taking on Dieng's contract. 


Now maybe Butler's market is great and the Wolves can do a lot better than that, but that is at least a credible package that serves a number of goals for the Wolves and if they don't want Thompson, the Cavs have Smith, Hill, and Clarkson with large contracts available that can be swapped in.

That's a terrible trade for the Wolves...

how, just how do people come up with this stuff

wolves will get something nice in return, sure it will be a salary dump, but it will most surely include a top 10 pick from the last three drafts.

Depends on how soon they want the trade, how many teams are interested, and if they get rid of Dieng in the trade.  Dieng has a terrible contract (not like Noah or Deng bad, but still bad), if they want to move Dieng, it will take significant value away from Butler to move him.  If they just move Butler, then yeah they probably get a fairly recent somewhat high draft pick, if they attach Dieng, I'm not so sure they will get that sort of value as Dieng clearly has negative value.

[rondofan1255]

Minnesota Timberwolves President/Coach Tom Thibodeau met with All-Star forward Jimmy Butler on Monday and tried to convince him to eventually rejoin the team in the preseason, league sources tell ESPN. Butler is sitting out, awaiting the organization to honor his trade request.

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