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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: johnnygreen on June 13, 2018, 08:49:54 AM
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The following is an excerpt from an article by Adrian Wojnarowski:
The Boston Celtics made a trade offer to San Antonio before the February deadline, but the Spurs turned it down --- and never made a counterproposal, league sources said. San Antonio wasn't willing to discuss deals for Leonard in February. So far this spring, the Spurs remain resistant to trades.
If reconciliation talks don't go well with Leonard, San Antonio has time to reconsider that stance. For example, Boston has the most appealing assets: starry young players and Sacramento's No. 1-protected 2019 first-round pick.
Only four months since the trade deadline, the Celtics find themselves in a different organizational space. GM Danny Ainge can stay on course with forwards Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown on rookie contracts, sparing Boston the financial pressure of re-signing two maximum-contract players with injury histories -- Kyrie Irving and Leonard -- in 2019.
Boston could still consider Leonard on a distressed, discounted deal -- the way it secured Irving last summer -- but that has become a far less likely scenario than keeping its young core.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23770525/what-next-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-nba-free-agency-trades
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I wonder for who.... Brown? Tatum?
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
I think it's more of Leonard exercising his power to secure a super max deal. He's going to get it by basically not playing last year. SA will offer it to him., he will accept it, and they will move forward. I don't think SA ever and would consider a deal for him.its nearly impossible to replace a top 5 player. They know that, especially in a small market like SA.
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Glad it didn’t happen
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23770525/what-next-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-nba-free-agency-trades
Most interesting bit for us is that the C's made an offer at the deadline for him.
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
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TP for the article.
Is it just me, or is Woj and ESPN literally just trying to create tension within the Spurs. We start hearing that things are getting better for them and then Woj posts this. This comment by a reader under ESPN caught my eye and sort of emphasizes my thoughts:
Amazing, absolutely amazing. In this entire piece, Adrian cites exactly one source, one time: a “Spurs alum”. And that’s exactly how this whole story has run. The only quotes from either the Spurs or Leonard himself say that he is simply trying to get healthy, it’s frustrating that it’s taking so long, and that the plan is for him to re-sign with the Spurs. Both sides have said exactly that. Yet ESPN and Woj have spun this epic drama around it. Just... amazing.
Jalen Rose will also look like a fool once Kawhi signs that super-max extension lol.
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TP for the article.
Is it just me, or is Woj and ESPN literally just trying to create tension within the Spurs. We start hearing that things are getting better for them and then Woj posts this. This comment by a reader under ESPN caught my eye and sort of emphasizes my thoughts:
I think its just you. ESPN has multiple people who are reliable talking about this, Woj/Lowe/etc.
Other outlets have also caught the tension, hell you could see the tension if you listened to Pop talk about Kawhi's "camp" and what Tony/Manu said in various interviews.
The tension is real, there is a reason many well sourced NBA reporters think he might end up in LA as a Laker or Clipper if things don't improve in SA.
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TP for the article.
Is it just me, or is Woj and ESPN literally just trying to create tension within the Spurs. We start hearing that things are getting better for them and then Woj posts this. This comment by a reader under ESPN caught my eye and sort of emphasizes my thoughts:
I think its just you. ESPN has multiple people who are reliable talking about this, Woj/Lowe/etc.
Other outlets have also caught the tension, hell you could see the tension if you listened to Pop talk about Kawhi's "camp" and what Tony/Manu said in various interviews.
The tension is real, there is a reason many well sourced NBA reporters think he might end up in LA as a Laker or Clipper if things don't improve in SA.
I get that, but my point is right now, or at least for the past week, numerous sites and reporters are posting/tweeting that Kawhi and Pop are set to meet, that they may be at a "healing stage" now, and that it's becoming unlikely Kawhi gets dealt.
Then Woj posts this article today and ESPN posts a "7 trades we'd like to see for Kawhi" article too. Kind of sounds like an attempt at some sabotage. Idk, just how I see it.
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
On the contrary, doesn't sound like enough, especially if we think we can re-sign him.
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
On the contrary, doesn't sound like enough, especially if we think we can re-sign him.
Maybe, but I think Tatum is untouchable in a Kawhi-trade, and frankly I think it's pointless trading Kyrie in a package for Kawhi (are we really improving a ton with that kind of trade?). Another possibility is doing a Smart S&T kind of deal at 14M/Year (counts as 7M in the trade), and that + Brown + Morris easily gets it done. Maybe SAS sees the defense and grit and thinks Smart could fit their team well (along with Murray and others) going forward.
But yeah it's unlikely any team makes a Godfather offer for Kawhi unless LAL gives up BOTH Ingram + Kuzma (and probably Hart, too). And no, Fultz + Saric in a package is NOT a "King's ransom" kind of offer lol.
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
You're assuming this rumour is true. More likely, DA called about Kawhi without offering a structured deal.
As I'm sure Woj is only too aware, DA isn't going to come out and deny this so he's on pretty safe ground speculating. Seen it all before..
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
or Maybe it was Smart
I doubt Danny included either of Brown or Tatum in the initial proposal (more you think about it)
But likely something like the 2019 kings pick , 2019 clips 1st, 2019 memphis 1st, Smart, Rozier, Morris
Was waiting to hear back with a counter offer and didn't get one (which then Danny perhaps throws in Brown to seal the deal)
IF the Spurs are really interested in trading Leonard (relationship can't be repaired) then you can bet the Spurs will callback the Celtics and ask for more. But Danny now might just hang up the phone , unless they take the initial like offer (no Brown, Tatum)
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I think its pretty simple that going into the meeting both sides have interest in setting it up for a recovery of the relationship. Kahwi wants the super-max and the Spurs want a MVP caliber player fully engaged and on board with their team.
No tension has been taken care of yet. The actual meeting has to happen and work out.
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I like the idea that Danny and ownership made the offer, which makes it seem like they want the Celtics to be a great team, and not just a ECF contender. I assume Danny and ownership must have had a conversation about being willing to pay multiple max players and being put into the luxury tax, before making the offer for Kawhi.
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Non-story without knowing what he offered IMO.
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This rumor to me signals the end of KL in SA. This is a fire stoker to get people to submit offers to jumpstart trade options.
I rarely believe trades were proposed when no specific details were highlighted. Such BS.
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I've seen clickbait articles and made-up stories of Kawhi being traded to Boston for Gordon Hayward and Kings pick as if it had just happened and I had a good laugh.
I don't trust Kawhi to return to his dominating form, and he's been long absent so I'll pass on him. I love what our guys are currently producing though.
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
On the contrary, doesn't sound like enough, especially if we think we can re-sign him.
Yeah. I really like Jaylen Brown, but if Kawhi is healthy this would be a serious upgrade. Kyrie-Kawhi-Hayward-Tatum-Horford is a champion. Kawhi is a top-five player - in the conversation with LeBron, Durant, Davis, Harden.
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There's a rumor that Pop might retire after the 2020 Olympics (about 2 seasons from now)
Idk if it's legit but it could play a factor in what Kawhi decides going forward
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Without knowing the offer I gave no idea what to make of this. Was it picks and lower level guys like Smart, Morris, Baynes? Tjat c would be my guess. The kind of ask where you see if you can get a guy for a steal. Or maybe Brown and Tatum were in there. Right now I have a hard time seeing them getting deal or Kawhi miving. Think he gets the super Max offer and signs it.
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Even if you're not including Irving, Hayward, or Horford in a deal for Leonard, making a trade for him essentially means you're losing one of those three guys, because of the impossibility of having four max players on your roster without hitting the luxury tax year after year.
The other problem with trading for him is that it throws off the positional balancing of your roster. If you include Brown you lose someone who can defend 2s, for instance. If you include Kyrie than you still need to find a PG, and would need to find space to start Brown, Leonard, Hayward, Horford, and Tatum. Honestly he only way it would work is if you traded either Tatum or Hayward for him, and I don't see the organization parting with either.
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Even if you're not including Irving, Hayward, or Horford in a deal for Leonard, making a trade for him essentially means you're losing one of those three guys, because of the impossibility of having four max players on your roster without hitting the luxury tax year after year.
The other problem with trading for him is that it throws off the positional balancing of your roster. If you include Brown you lose someone who can defend 2s, for instance. If you include Kyrie than you still need to find a PG, and would need to find space to start Brown, Leonard, Hayward, Horford, and Tatum. Honestly he only way it would work is if you traded either Tatum or Hayward for him, and I don't see the organization parting with either.
Yeah Leonard can guard literally 1-3 easily, and occasional 4/5 on switches, although obviously not advisable... So the question of replacing Jaylen Brown is a non-issue.
Have you ever seen him shut down Curry, Westbrook, CP3?..
The question is not whether or not Kawhi can fit on a team. He fits seamlessly... He's the best two way player in the league when healthy... But as you said, someone has to go... That's the tricky part.
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Kyrie
Hayward
Lenorad
Tatum
AL
= AWESOME
Brown, Morris, Rozier, Smart and all the picks we need to get a return of KL would be awesome. But not enough for the Spurs and Brown leaving is too much for this BLog....
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Danny doing his diligence. Maybe he low-balled them to see where the Spurs heads are at right now. Either way, I'm glad an offer was extended and I'm glad it didn't happen. I like this team.
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Kyrie
Hayward
Lenorad
Tatum
AL
= AWESOME
Brown, Morris, Rozier, Smart and all the picks we need to get a return of KL would be awesome. But not enough for the Spurs and Brown leaving is too much for this BLog....
Could they even bring Leonard in without moving a max salary?
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Brown, Morris, Rozier, Smart and all the picks we need to get a return of KL would be awesome.
And Kyrie could get hurt and who you playing at guard? Ridiculous.
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I think no actual offers were made. Probably that's just Danny asking for the price of Kawhi.
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I think no actual offers were made. Probably that's just Danny asking for the price of Kawhi.
I also think other teams may have made offers or contacted the Spurs for sure, but not sure why just Boston was "leaked" as a team that "made an offer" for him by Woj. Interesting. Maybe driving the price up a bit for PHI and LAL to make a run for him if he is available?
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I think no actual offers were made. Probably that's just Danny asking for the price of Kawhi.
I also think other teams may have made offers or contacted the Spurs for sure, but not sure why just Boston was "leaked" as a team that "made an offer" for him by Woj. Interesting. Maybe driving the price up a bit for PHI and LAL to make a run for him if he is available?
Buford/Ainge both have great relationships and past history, so maybe they were working together to drive up the price? Who knows? Rumors that Pop isn't coming back after 2020 should raise some red flags.
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Wow...
from the super max rumors to now officially wanting out...
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I believe San Antonio will continue to try to make amends with Kawhi, in hopes that an extension can be signed. I also believe that most teams will not offer much based on the rumor of Kawhi bolting for LA in one year. Can San Antonio allow select teams to talk to Kawhi, so that other team can get a better feel of his intentions and if he is willing to sign an extension when he hits free agency (so that he can sign for the extra year and more money)? Boston can make a recruitment pitch with Danny, Brad, Wyc, Kyrie, Gordon, Al and even Pierce (who was also born in LA and could relate to Kawhi).
If teams can't talk to Kawhi, I would think San Antonio could only expect to get back maybe 40-50% of a return. If teams are allowed to sit down with Kawhi, maybe the rate of return goes up to 75%. Since Kawhi is a top 5 player, it is almost impossible to get back equal value.
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I think no actual offers were made. Probably that's just Danny asking for the price of Kawhi.
I also think other teams may have made offers or contacted the Spurs for sure, but not sure why just Boston was "leaked" as a team that "made an offer" for him by Woj. Interesting. Maybe driving the price up a bit for PHI and LAL to make a run for him if he is available?
Buford/Ainge both have great relationships and past history, so maybe they were working together to drive up the price? Who knows? Rumors that Pop isn't coming back after 2020 should raise some red flags.
why? Pop will be 70 during the season. That is very old for a coach and a coach's lifestyle.
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
It definitely doesn’t sound like a lot. I love Brown, but I still think that’s a skimpy offer.
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
It definitely doesn’t sound like a lot. I love Brown, but I still think that’s a skimpy offer.
whos offering more for a 1 year rental of kahwi
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
It definitely doesn’t sound like a lot. I love Brown, but I still think that’s a skimpy offer.
whos offering more for a 1 year rental of kahwi
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
It definitely doesn’t sound like a lot. I love Brown, but I still think that’s a skimpy offer.
No way is that skimpy. A one year rental of a potentially gimpy Kawhi is not worth Jaylen Brown alone.
In order to want that trade, you must think that a) you can re-sign Kawhi and/or b) Jaylen stinks.
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
It definitely doesn’t sound like a lot. I love Brown, but I still think that’s a skimpy offer.
That’s a huge offer. One I wouldn’t do without some sort of open-mindedness from Kawhi about resigning.
Brown is about as good a 21 year old as there is in this league. Uber-athletic, cerebral, elite defender, and can shoot the 3. The ballhandling and midrange will follow. He’s going to be a complete player.
Rozier has the potential to be a good starting PG or a super sub capable of taking over games.
Morris is a tough vet on a good contract.
I really don’t think they get a better offer (Ingram/Kuzma included). But should we do it? I’d wait and see how the LeBron/George/CP3 drama unfolds first. If the Lakers nab two of them, they won’t have cap space for next summer. If Jordan stays with the Clippers, would they have enough space next summer? That may only leave the Knicks or a smaller market than Boston. Ugh, could you imagine if Kawhi and Kyrie BOTH left us for the Knicks! Haha. I’d be done with basketball.
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I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more)
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I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more)
Answer: Because Buford and Pop HATE the Fakers and don’t want to trade with them unless they can get the moon....So, they ask for the moon...
The price for any WC team will be higher, but the price for the Fakers will be highest.
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I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more)
Answer: Because Buford and Pop HATE the Fakers and don’t want to trade with them unless they can get the moon....So, they ask for the moon...
The price for any WC team will be higher, but the price for the Fakers will be highest.
How doesn't Jerry West for the Clippers capitalize on this. They can't risk becoming non-existent again. They need a star.
Harris + Beverly
+
Evans or Wallace or Thornwell
+
Shai or Robinson
+
future firsts
Sneak in. Get Leonard. Get out.
Keep building and try to get another big name to join Leonard next year.
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The pick swaps are irrelevant. Is there anyway the Spurs finish with a better record than the Lakers in the next few years? If the Lakers can get it to 1 first with the pick swaps, they should jump at that deal.
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I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more)
Answer: Because Buford and Pop HATE the Fakers and don’t want to trade with them unless they can get the moon....So, they ask for the moon...
The price for any WC team will be higher, but the price for the Fakers will be highest.
How doesn't Jerry West for the Clippers capitalize on this. They can't risk becoming non-existent again. They need a star.
Harris + Beverly
+
Evans or Wallace or Thornwell
+
Shai or Robinson
+
future firsts
Sneak in. Get Leonard. Get out.
Keep building and try to get another big name to join Leonard next year.
TP.....thinking the same.
Just saw something (reddit or ReALGM) that said Clips and Suxers were KL’s teams of choice over the Fakers, but over us too.
If that’s the case, sure hope the Clips get him....maybe we can facilitate?
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I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more)
Answer: Because Buford and Pop HATE the Fakers and don’t want to trade with them unless they can get the moon....So, they ask for the moon...
The price for any WC team will be higher, but the price for the Fakers will be highest.
How doesn't Jerry West for the Clippers capitalize on this. They can't risk becoming non-existent again. They need a star.
Harris + Beverly
+
Evans or Wallace or Thornwell
+
Shai or Robinson
+
future firsts
Sneak in. Get Leonard. Get out.
Keep building and try to get another big name to join Leonard next year.
TP.....thinking the same.
Just saw something (reddit or ReALGM) that said Clips and Suxers were KL’s teams of choice over the Fakers, but over us too.
If that’s the case, sure hope the Clips get him....maybe we can facilitate?
I'll say this - I'd certainly trust Jerry West more than Magic Johnson when it comes to building a contender.
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I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more)
Answer: Because Buford and Pop HATE the Fakers and don’t want to trade with them unless they can get the moon....So, they ask for the moon...
The price for any WC team will be higher, but the price for the Fakers will be highest.
Yep. And because they're trading an MVP candidate in his prime. It sounds like a lot but 3 prospects and 4 picks isn't unheard of. Orlando got 6 players, 2 firsts, and 2 seconds for Dwight Howard and washed up Jason Richardson.
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A couple of thoughts: this must mean that Ainge doesn't believe that Leonard is injured, but then wouldn't that make him a head case?
And what could the offer be? Is Brown and Morris enough to match salaries? I assume all the future picks were on the table too. This was also during Tatum's swoon, so was he offered?
Hypothetically, Brown + Morris + Rozier + Nader could get it done. Nader is solely just there to match salaries. Might sound like a lot but if Kawhi is relatively healthy and the C's ensure they keep Smart, then that's a deadly team next year. Would absolutely suck to lose Jaylen though, but either way I doubt it happens, b/c Kawhi stays in San Antonio and signs the super-max.
It definitely doesn’t sound like a lot. I love Brown, but I still think that’s a skimpy offer.
No way is that skimpy. A one year rental of a potentially gimpy Kawhi is not worth Jaylen Brown alone.
In order to want that trade, you must think that a) you can re-sign Kawhi and/or b) Jaylen stinks.
It's all about perspective gentlemen. From our end. You're correct. But like most Celtics fans on Celticsblog you weren't thinking about the Spurs perspective. We learned a few posts later what the Spurs demanded of LA from eja:
"I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts."
Now, I don't want to trade Brown. But what the Spurs are asking is a lot more than just Brown + Rozier, so to them, it's skimpy.
That would be why I don't think a deal makes sense. That and the lux tax implications.