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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rollie mass on December 03, 2017, 05:33:10 PM
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The Celtics have been very pleased with Semi and his defense and in the last 4 games he has shot 41% from three up from 28.6% prior.
Semi is a very disciplined hard worker and has a very good three point shot-he shot over 40% from three in college.I believe he will revert to a much higher rate-
Another 22 year old rookie playing in 4th quarter for his defense against Philly.
Brad is developing these kids on the fly
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He shows like he might give us some quality minutes down the road. Brad bringing him along slowly, his defense and strength should be an X factor at some point
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The Celtics have been very pleased with Semi and his defense and in the last 4 games he has shot 41% from three up from 28.6% prior.
Semi is a very disciplined hard worker and has a very good three point shot-he shot over 40% from three in college.I believe he will revert to a much higher rate-
Another 22 year old rookie playing in 4th quarter for his defense against Philly.
Brad is developing these kids on the fly
Three rookies are getting rotation minutes. That's amazing.
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I like Semi. I think has real potential to be a top notch 3 and D guy in this league. He is a tremendous athlete and an above average defender already as a rookie. Kid also seems to have great confidence in his shot. Just a great 2nd round pick up.
Pretty cool we have three rookies in the rotation:
1 rookie starting that is a top of the draft draftee.
1 rookie coming off the bench that was a 2nd round pick.
1 rookie that has started and come off the bench that was an undrafted free agent signed from Europe.
That is a great infusion of youth and a tremendous off season from Danny and that doesn't even include the Kyrie trade or the Hayward signing.
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Probably convinced me he's better than Shane Larkin at this point.
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Semi could be very, very valuable moving forward as we ramp up to contend for titles in upcoming seasons with his 3 & D ability on a cheap contract. He's only shooting 32% from 3 overall but I expect that to improve with more reps.
Brad said before the season started that Semi could help right away because of his defense. We're seeing that now - I'm sure that I'm not the only person that has been impressed with his D. Great 2nd round pick by Ainge.
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I think people are overstating his value. He's done a good job for a second rounder, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he will be a regular rotation player going forward. If Gordon were healthy Semi wouldn't be playing at all. When Gordon comes back next season, I expect Semi's playing time to drop to practically nothing.
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Semi has been forced to be a spot up shooter....but can do other things
he has solid shooting touch but I wonder if he is "stuck" right now as other parts of his game is not allowed to fly
i guess he has to pay his dues first
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People are going to stop describing 2nd round steals as ‘the next Jae Crowder’, they’ll start saying ‘The next Semi Ojeleye’. If they were the type of people to say ‘the next Draymond Green’, they’ll still say that.
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People are going to stop describing 2nd round steals as ‘the next Jae Crowder’, they’ll start saying ‘The next Semi Ojeleye’. If they were the type of people to say ‘the next Draymond Green’, they’ll still say that.
Semi is basically the SF equivalent of Gilbert Arenas (hopefully minus all the ... y'know)
Draymond who?
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Tonight should be another test against Giannis the one attribute that will hold back Semi is his wingspan..
This is one strong guy that is an athletic freak
You can see his defensive game improving as things slow down a bit ,
Rollie Massimino always said there is room on his teams for a guy who plays defense.
Add his work ethic to Jaylen and Tatum and what a defensive culture is being nurtured.
Not to jump too much, add Theis and newly acquired Marcus Morris and Ainges fingerprints are all over this blueprint-GRITTY EAST CONFERENCE BASKETBALL
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Semi has been forced to be a spot up shooter....but can do other things
he has solid shooting touch but I wonder if he is "stuck" right now as other parts of his game is not allowed to fly
i guess he has to pay his dues first
He doesn't look at all comfortable putting the ball on the floor. He does ok if he has a wide open lane to the rim. I think Stevens is using him perfectly right now.
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Crowder vol. 2
Their pre-draft measurements are almost identical
Semi
Height w/o Shoes 6'5 ¼"
Height w/ Shoes 6'6 ¾"
Weight 241
Wingspan 6'9 ¾"
Standing reach 8'6"
Crowder
Height w/o Shoes 6'4 ¾"
Height w/ Shoes 6'6 ½"
Weight 241
Wingspan 6'9 ¼"
Standing reach 8'6 ¾"
Seems like Semi is more athletic than Crowder.
Semi
no step vert 35''
max vert 40.5''
Crowder
no step vert 31''
max vert 34.5''
Having said all that, imo Crowder is nothing more than a role player. The reason he was sought-after around the league was his amazing contract. If Crowder were paid let's say 14+ million a year, no one would be talking about him. Remember DeMarre Carroll in his Atlanta days? He got paid 14.5 million per year in 2015 and no one is talking about him ever since.
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Semi has been forced to be a spot up shooter....but can do other things
he has solid shooting touch but I wonder if he is "stuck" right now as other parts of his game is not allowed to fly
i guess he has to pay his dues first
He doesn't look at all comfortable putting the ball on the floor. He does ok if he has a wide open lane to the rim. I think Stevens is using him perfectly right now.
About to say the exact same thing.
It doesn't look like Semi has anything close to the handles required to even be average at taking the ball to the basket.
How about we at least see if he can drive on a closing out defender? Until then, I certainly wouldn't be putting him up against any type of defense.
Stevens is using him perfectly as a shoot or drive if you're open, otherwise keep the ball moving type of guy. He'll probably continue earning minutes for his defense, even if his offense doesn't make a leap any time soon. Improve slow and steady.
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Brad complimenting Semi up to almost elite status is a testament to his BBIQ and his physical attributes.Semi can shoot and has a proven record from three.It is starting to climb in last several games but to get those accolades from Brad as a rookie.This has to be a huge confidence boost.a huge bonus for the hard working kid.
AND to have Theis performing as well as he has is beyond comprehension -and i watched his work in Germany-
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Crowder vol. 2
Their pre-draft measurements are almost identical
Semi
Height w/o Shoes 6'5 ¼"
Height w/ Shoes 6'6 ¾"
Weight 241
Wingspan 6'9 ¾"
Standing reach 8'6"
Crowder
Height w/o Shoes 6'4 ¾"
Height w/ Shoes 6'6 ½"
Weight 241
Wingspan 6'9 ¼"
Standing reach 8'6 ¾"
Seems like Semi is more athletic than Crowder.
Semi
no step vert 35''
max vert 40.5''
Crowder
no step vert 31''
max vert 34.5''
Having said all that, imo Crowder is nothing more than a role player. The reason he was sought-after around the league was his amazing contract. If Crowder were paid let's say 14+ million a year, no one would be talking about him. Remember DeMarre Carroll in his Atlanta days? He got paid 14.5 million per year in 2015 and no one is talking about him ever since.
Demarre Carroll is having an excellent season for NJ. Being an efficient role player like Crowder is a highly valuable asset for a good team.
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. Remember DeMarre Carroll in his Atlanta days? He got paid 14.5 million per year in 2015 and no one is talking about him ever since.
Knee surgery is a Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline., isn't it? Especially for a professional basketball player.
Looks like he's finally back to the productivity of his Atlanta days.
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http://www.telegram.com/news/20171204/celtics-notes-rookie-semi-ojeleye-making-impact-but-can-be-elite-defensively
Scott Souza's piece on Semi
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http://www.telegram.com/news/20171204/celtics-notes-rookie-semi-ojeleye-making-impact-but-can-be-elite-defensively
Scott Souza's piece on Semi
“I think he can be elite defensively,” Celtics coach Brad Stevens said before the game. “I’m not sure he’s far from it now. He’s able to guard one through five. He guarded Booker for a couple of possessions and I was kicking myself for not trying it earlier."
Rare combination of leverage and laterals - added to which he's got quick shoulders to contest and get deflections; he stays in front and above all without fouling.
Great to see, posters are seeing a 3-and-D future for him - but his ceiling is higher than that. He's the ultimate plug-and-play guy because of his extraordinary versatility and the range on his jumper, and as fans will eventually discover, he's a finisher with a wide repertoire in the lane.
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Rare combination of leverage and laterals - added to which he's got quick shoulders to contest and get deflections; he stays in front and above all without fouling.
Not to mention brute strength to reduce being pushed and deny position
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I think people are overstating his value. He's done a good job for a second rounder, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he will be a regular rotation player going forward. If Gordon were healthy Semi wouldn't be playing at all. When Gordon comes back next season, I expect Semi's playing time to drop to practically nothing.
He won't be on any all-star rosters but you have to admit the way he moves his body on defense is fun to watch. It's like he is mimicking what the coaches do in practice. Wide base shuffling feet its all a thing of beauty to see someone do in today's NBA as a rookie.
He has a decent stroke too but man the way he walls up his guy is something I enjoy watching.
However he does seem to over help at time but that's a rookie thing and he'll figure out over time when to help, when to rotate and when to just hang on his guy.
Teams need a guy like this in the rotation not everyone has potential to be a superstar and that's ok with me for a 2nd round guy.
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Brad is the anti-Doc when it comes to developing players.
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Rare combination of leverage and laterals - added to which he's got quick shoulders to contest and get deflections; he stays in front and above all without fouling.
Not to mention brute strength to reduce being pushed and deny position
You could say that he checks all the boxes - except wingspan.
And for someone with his strength, anticipation, and hops, he's been a mediocre rebounder.
Iirc, they've got a ludicrously favorable contract for four years.
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His handle has looked pretty awful thus far. Seems everytime he goes to the basket he is turning the ball over. If he works on that, I think we could see what an athletic finisher he is.
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he needs to just be a 3 and D kind of guy. I see him as a crowder type
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His handle has looked pretty awful thus far. Seems everytime he goes to the basket he is turning the ball over. If he works on that, I think we could see what an athletic finisher he is.
You see any college tape on him? He’s got a skill set I think one of the reasons Brad trusts him is because he stays within his role. That’s just speculation though.
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His handle has looked pretty awful thus far. Seems everytime he goes to the basket he is turning the ball over. If he works on that, I think we could see what an athletic finisher he is.
You see any college tape on him? He’s got a skill set I think one of the reasons Brad trusts him is because he stays within his role. That’s just speculation though.
I have seen his college highlights. Some of his alley oops and throw downs were Lebron strength impressive. His athletism can make him a beast inside. The guy has tremendous potential. Just think he needs to improve his handle more to show all that off. I can't wait to see him in the open floor on a fast break. It will be awesome. Guy is a physical freak.
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His handle has looked pretty awful thus far. Seems everytime he goes to the basket he is turning the ball over. If he works on that, I think we could see what an athletic finisher he is.
You see any college tape on him? He’s got a skill set I think one of the reasons Brad trusts him is because he stays within his role. That’s just speculation though.
I have seen his college highlights. Some of his alley oops and throw downs were Lebron strength impressive. His athletism can make him a beast inside. The guy has tremendous potential. Just think he needs to improve his handle more to show all that off. I can't wait to see him in the open floor on a fast break. It will be awesome. Guy is a physical freak.
Just being a guy who shoots 37%+ from 3 and can fake and do a straight line drive on a close out, and make average level passes, with his defense, that’s a top 50 player.
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His handle has looked pretty awful thus far. Seems everytime he goes to the basket he is turning the ball over. If he works on that, I think we could see what an athletic finisher he is.
You see any college tape on him? He’s got a skill set I think one of the reasons Brad trusts him is because he stays within his role. That’s just speculation though.
I have seen his college highlights. Some of his alley oops and throw downs were Lebron strength impressive. His athletism can make him a beast inside. The guy has tremendous potential. Just think he needs to improve his handle more to show all that off. I can't wait to see him in the open floor on a fast break. It will be awesome. Guy is a physical freak.
Just being a guy who shoots 37%+ from 3 and can fake and do a straight line drive on a close out, and make average level passes, with his defense, that’s a top 50 player.
If that describes your game then you have to do all those things at a very high level to be a top 50 player. Semi is so far from that.
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His handle has looked pretty awful thus far. Seems everytime he goes to the basket he is turning the ball over. If he works on that, I think we could see what an athletic finisher he is.
You see any college tape on him? He’s got a skill set I think one of the reasons Brad trusts him is because he stays within his role. That’s just speculation though.
I have seen his college highlights. Some of his alley oops and throw downs were Lebron strength impressive. His athletism can make him a beast inside. The guy has tremendous potential. Just think he needs to improve his handle more to show all that off. I can't wait to see him in the open floor on a fast break. It will be awesome. Guy is a physical freak.
Just being a guy who shoots 37%+ from 3 and can fake and do a straight line drive on a close out, and make average level passes, with his defense, that’s a top 50 player.
If that describes your game then you have to do all those things at a very high level to be a top 50 player. Semi is so far from that.
Elite defender that can switch 1-5, decent 3pt shooter, can straight line drive, makes good passes. There are like 3 guys in the NBA who can do that.
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. Remember DeMarre Carroll in his Atlanta days? He got paid 14.5 million per year in 2015 and no one is talking about him ever since.
Knee surgery is a ****, isn't it? Especially for a professional basketball player.
Looks like he's finally back to the productivity of his Atlanta days.
Demarre Carroll is having an excellent season for NJ. Being an efficient role player like Crowder is a highly valuable asset for a good team.
Sure, but he isn't outperforming his contract anymore. He's an average player on an above average contract. Nothing special about that.
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Its extremely special when he's helping Brooklyn win games.
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I like how he is in weight room for speed and film room learning opposing players moves and what to be ready for-This is another character guy Academic all america parents are both DRs-he has a rep of being a tireless worker with discipline-fits in Boston and the Celtics
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I have seen his college highlights. Some of his alley oops and throw downs were Lebron strength impressive. His athletism can make him a beast inside. The guy has tremendous potential. Just think he needs to improve his handle more to show all that off. I can't wait to see him in the open floor on a fast break. It will be awesome. Guy is a physical freak.
Just to add to what you've said here - he has the balance and strength to finish through contact as well (we've gotten to see that maybe once so far?), and finesse moves (like a drive from the right deep along the baseline where he finishes with a reverse, getting the ball way up on the backboard - did that twice in the Lakers game, making one of them...).
Perhaps more pick and pops to add to his spot-ups would be his next growth area, though I think you're definitely right that developing his dribble drive would exponentially improve his value. PnP was a staple of his in college, and he was highly efficient at it. Or how about as the roll man with two spread bigs to clear out the lane? He's too strong for most small forwards - he'd be "living at the line".
Just big kudos to Brad Stevens, getting these three rookies meaningful minutes in October/November/December - and it hasn't slowed down the winning, like, at all. Wow. This will pay dividends in April and May, the way Jaylen's early court time did last season.
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Just big kudos to Brad Stevens, getting these three rookies meaningful minutes in October/November/December - and it hasn't slowed down the winning, like, at all. Wow. This will pay dividends in April and May, the way Jaylen's early court time did last season.
It can't be understated enough what a great job Stevens has done with all these new players. He has 6 regular players who are in their 1st year with the Celtics - Kyrie, Baynes, Theis, Tatum, Ojeyle, Morris and they have the best record in the NBA. Note we aren't even counting the injured Hayward. Half of those guys are rookies in the NBA - Tatum, Theis, Ojeyle.
Remember how Doc favored vets and we complained he wasn't really the kind to develop young talent? Well those days are over. We have the best of both worlds -- a coach who can win now AND develop young talent at the same time.
Danny hit a home run signing Brad Stevens out of college. BS has made DA look very, very good. And Stevens is actually now a selling point to players wanting to come to Boston -- see Horford, Hayward, Kyrie, etc.
Ojeyle has been solid and earning his minutes with his defense. And he chips in a few threes here and there. A good roleplayer who will hopefully continue to grow for us.
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Remember how Doc favored vets and we complained he wasn't really the kind to develop young talent? Well those days are over. We have the best of both worlds -- a coach who can win now AND develop young talent at the same time.
That's funny, because Doc has developed plenty of young talent. People just think that somehow your age should make you exempt from the simple rule that "if you can play, you play". This was true under Doc and is true under Stevens.
Doc developed guys like Rondo, Perkins, Powe, and Davis just fine (to name a few). He couldn't develop guys that couldn't play, but neither can Stevens (hello, James Young).
This whole argument is nonsense.
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Remember how Doc favored vets and we complained he wasn't really the kind to develop young talent? Well those days are over. We have the best of both worlds -- a coach who can win now AND develop young talent at the same time.
That's funny, because Doc has developed plenty of young talent. People just think that somehow your age should make you exempt from the simple rule that "if you can play, you play". This was true under Doc and is true under Stevens.
Doc developed guys like Rondo, Perkins, Powe, and Davis just fine (to name a few). He couldn't develop guys that couldn't play, but neither can Stevens (hello, James Young).
This whole argument is nonsense.
Been making this argument on this site for years but it just falls on deaf ears
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I'm not a stats guy, so I don't what they say about Semi's defense, but to my eye it's been okay, but hardly near elite. Don't get me wrong, okay defense from a second round pick is impressive, most of them can't get close to staying in front of NBA scorers, and Semi has played well enough for Brad to keep in the line up and give him real mpg. Offensively he brings almost nothing at this point. Poor handle, poor 3 point shooting, doesn't finish around the rim. Of course these things could improve, at this point I don't see any reason to think they will. That's not saying its impossible, but I'm not expecting it. To me, his ceiling is bench defensive specialist, I don't see him being a starter or major contributor on a playoff team. Those kind of players have value, but not as much as some here seem to think. I really think that when Gordon comes back next year, he will not see much playing time.
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Remember how Doc favored vets and we complained he wasn't really the kind to develop young talent? Well those days are over. We have the best of both worlds -- a coach who can win now AND develop young talent at the same time.
That's funny, because Doc has developed plenty of young talent. People just think that somehow your age should make you exempt from the simple rule that "if you can play, you play". This was true under Doc and is true under Stevens.
Doc developed guys like Rondo, Perkins, Powe, and Davis just fine (to name a few). He couldn't develop guys that couldn't play, but neither can Stevens (hello, James Young).
This whole argument is nonsense.
Been making this argument on this site for years but it just falls on deaf ears
The three of us have argued this. Yet, poster after poster makes the same flawed argument.
Perhaps we need to create a thread that debunkes Celtic myths and pin it.
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I'm not a stats guy, so I don't what they say about Semi's defense, but to my eye it's been okay, but hardly near elite. Don't get me wrong, okay defense from a second round pick is impressive, most of them can't get close to staying in front of NBA scorers, and Semi has played well enough for Brad to keep in the line up and give him real mpg. Offensively he brings almost nothing at this point. Poor handle, poor 3 point shooting, doesn't finish around the rim. Of course these things could improve, at this point I don't see any reason to think they will. That's not saying its impossible, but I'm not expecting it. To me, his ceiling is bench defensive specialist, I don't see him being a starter or major contributor on a playoff team. Those kind of players have value, but not as much as some here seem to think. I really think that when Gordon comes back next year, he will not see much playing time.
May I direct you to his college stats? Ojeleye shot 41.5% from three point land in college.he shot 78.5% at the free throw line. Both of these give me hope that he will be a decent 3 point shooting.
You don’t have to be a stats guy to find these out.
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Now that we have NBA stats to look at, I think college stats are not particularly relevant. As I said, maybe he will develop, but I haven't seen anything so far that makes me think he will be an impact player. It's early, and he's young, although years older than Brown and Tatum, and there was a reason he slipped to the second round, teams clearly don't think he's a big time prospect. Some second rounders become impact players, but not many. Semi could end up being one of them, the trust Brad has shown is a big positive, but I still think if Hayward were healthy he wouldn't be playing. Nothing I have seen so far makes me think he will play much next year when Hayward is back.
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Heating up must mean going scoreless in 4 out of your last 5 games.
This board would be laughing it up if there was a fanbase getting giddy over a guy averaging:
PPG 2.5
RPG 2.0
APG 0.2
SPG 0.3
BPG 0.0
FG% 30
FT% 62
3PT% 28
His advanced numbers are also awful:
Pts per 40 7.2
Reb per 40 5.6
Ast per 40 0.7
PER 4.79
True % 45
O-Rating 95
D-Rating 105
3PT% 28
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this post was started dec3-
11-25-.400 from 3
11-27 1.000 from three
11-30-no attempts
12-2 ,667
12- 3 the topic posted after going 2 for three .667 the night before
Semi is tasked first to play defense,no turnovers and make the right play--
Going after Brad for not playing Baynes in 4th quarter and not even on the bench and putting the loss on Brad for that
Now attacking a post that is 6 days old.
Gloating that semi wasn't shooting well
Semi is playing close to ELITE DEFENSE states Brad if not already elite!!!
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I guess Semi is either ice cold or fell asleep again. Or maybe he's just an end of the bench guy that isn't very good.
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Now that we have NBA stats to look at, I think college stats are not particularly relevant. As I said, maybe he will develop, but I haven't seen anything so far that makes me think he will be an impact player. It's early, and he's young, although years older than Brown and Tatum, and there was a reason he slipped to the second round, teams clearly don't think he's a big time prospect. Some second rounders become impact players, but not many. Semi could end up being one of them, the trust Brad has shown is a big positive, but I still think if Hayward were healthy he wouldn't be playing. Nothing I have seen so far makes me think he will play much next year when Hayward is back.
You are so wrong...
Semi is a very good shooter and will definetly be better than crowder soon enough , and he will have at least bench player time like Rozier last year even when Hayward came back
You can take it to the bank
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Now that we have NBA stats to look at, I think college stats are not particularly relevant. As I said, maybe he will develop, but I haven't seen anything so far that makes me think he will be an impact player. It's early, and he's young, although years older than Brown and Tatum, and there was a reason he slipped to the second round, teams clearly don't think he's a big time prospect. Some second rounders become impact players, but not many. Semi could end up being one of them, the trust Brad has shown is a big positive, but I still think if Hayward were healthy he wouldn't be playing. Nothing I have seen so far makes me think he will play much next year when Hayward is back.
You are so wrong...
Semi is a very good shooter and will definetly be better than crowder soon enough , and he will have at least bench player time like Rozier last year even when Hayward came back
You can take it to the bank
That's bold. Semi certainly has talent and shows sign of being a solid 3-and-D NBA player but he's got to put in the work and improve a lot before he gets to were Crowder was his two full seasons in Boston.
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danny has picked a few NBA rotation players from the second round. Semi is the first in a while. Glen Davis,
Gomes, and ETwuan Moore are examples. Semi seems like he can play NBA defense and hit the 3. Proving that and staying healthy should keep him around long enough to vest in the pension plan at least.
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danny has picked a few NBA rotation players from the second round. Semi is the first in a while. Glen Davis,
Gomes, and ETwuan Moore are examples. Semi seems like he can play NBA defense and hit the 3. Proving that and staying healthy should keep him around long enough to vest in the pension plan at least.
Moore is still in league and last i saw giving good minutes
If semi can give us good minutes for his time here then a +
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Now that we have NBA stats to look at, I think college stats are not particularly relevant. As I said, maybe he will develop, but I haven't seen anything so far that makes me think he will be an impact player. It's early, and he's young, although years older than Brown and Tatum, and there was a reason he slipped to the second round, teams clearly don't think he's a big time prospect. Some second rounders become impact players, but not many. Semi could end up being one of them, the trust Brad has shown is a big positive, but I still think if Hayward were healthy he wouldn't be playing. Nothing I have seen so far makes me think he will play much next year when Hayward is back.
You are so wrong...
Semi is a very good shooter and will definetly be better than crowder soon enough , and he will have at least bench player time like Rozier last year even when Hayward came back
You can take it to the bank
That's bold. Semi certainly has talent and shows sign of being a solid 3-and-D NBA player but he's got to put in the work and improve a lot before he gets to were Crowder was his two full seasons in Boston.
I won't argue he needs time to improve, but he already shut down Greek Freak in short period in his what? 6th NBA game?, something Crowder can never do in his career, also that finish versus Lakers too.
And i am confident his 3 will be very serviceable come THIS year playoff time, like Rozier last year, which yeah, means better than Crowder..
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... maybe he's just an end of the bench guy that isn't very good.
Actually he's in the rotation.
Or are you making a prediction?
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... maybe he's just an end of the bench guy that isn't very good.
Actually he's in the rotation.
Or are you making a prediction?
Only due to necessity because Hayward is hurt. Hell, he might be out of rotation if we fill the remaining roster spot with someone decent.
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... maybe he's just an end of the bench guy that isn't very good.
Actually he's in the rotation.
Or are you making a prediction?
Only due to necessity because Hayward is hurt. Hell, he might be out of rotation if we fill the remaining roster spot with someone decent.
You seem sure of yourself. Would you care to predict how many minutes he plays this season?
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... maybe he's just an end of the bench guy that isn't very good.
Actually he's in the rotation.
Or are you making a prediction?
Only due to necessity because Hayward is hurt. Hell, he might be out of rotation if we fill the remaining roster spot with someone decent.
You seem sure of yourself. Would you care to predict how many minutes he plays this season?
With a healthy Hayward, he'd be in the spot minute boat along with Larkin, and ahead of Yabu and Nader. This isn't exactly going out on a limb, though. Talent wise Semi is an end of the bench guy and there is an argument to be made that he wouldn't be getting minutes on many teams.
The argument for Semi actually being a good player is a little weird.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3056602/semi-ojeleye
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... maybe he's just an end of the bench guy that isn't very good.
Actually he's in the rotation.
Or are you making a prediction?
Only due to necessity because Hayward is hurt. Hell, he might be out of rotation if we fill the remaining roster spot with someone decent.
You seem sure of yourself. Would you care to predict how many minutes he plays this season?
With a healthy Hayward, he'd be in the spot minute boat along with Larkin, and ahead of Yabu and Nader. This isn't exactly going out on a limb, though. Talent wise Semi is an end of the bench guy and there is an argument to be made that he wouldn't be getting minutes on many teams.
The argument for Semi actually being a good player is a little weird.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3056602/semi-ojeleye
So. Would you be willing to back up your scouting with a minutes prediction?
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... maybe he's just an end of the bench guy that isn't very good.
Actually he's in the rotation.
Or are you making a prediction?
Only due to necessity because Hayward is hurt. Hell, he might be out of rotation if we fill the remaining roster spot with someone decent.
You seem sure of yourself. Would you care to predict how many minutes he plays this season?
With a healthy Hayward, he'd be in the spot minute boat along with Larkin, and ahead of Yabu and Nader. This isn't exactly going out on a limb, though. Talent wise Semi is an end of the bench guy and there is an argument to be made that he wouldn't be getting minutes on many teams.
The argument for Semi actually being a good player is a little weird.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3056602/semi-ojeleye
So. Would you be willing to back up your scouting with a minutes prediction?
I'm not sure how to quantify that when you factor in the uncertainty of injuries. I'm guessing you think Semi is a good player. Sorry, I don't. There are many other limited players across the league and abroad that bring as much to table as he does.
Semi's best skill is his ability to move his feet laterally and play sound positional defense. However, he's not going to rebound for you or play passing lanes defensively. Offensively he's negligible in every facet. I'm not sure there is one thing he does well at an NBA level on offense. The adage "looks like Tarzan plays like Jane" is what I think of when I see Semi. On looks alone you expect an athletic beast with a high motor that creates havoc in transition and around the basket. Semi just isn't that.
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He is a better than good defensive player as Brad has stated bordering elite and he is a rookie that can shoot, just not yet-
You have some serious hate for Semi eddie as he is good enough to play 4th quarter or guard the best in league-
by the playoffs his defense will be needed against Lebron.
A rookie second round elite athlete playing minutes against the best and has got time in 4th quarters.Sounds like your missing the point DEFENSE and he can shoot well above average just not dropping yet
You claim to be an ex d level player and can't recognize his defensive excellence as a rookie and his usage because of it-it shows how bad you must have been to not to see and appreciate what most see or are you simply a hater disguised as a critical fan.
Every time you post his shooting stats you just strengthen the case of his defense.
You have stated Semi sucks and doesn't hustle and is a paper athlete and your poor ego will not let you see his defense but Brad does ,Danny does and his teammates do, as well as fans.
He is gifted defensively
-He is gifted athletically and his lateral agility and strength are un matched as a rookie-and his ability to switch and play multiple defenders is unmatched.
Nobody can teach what he has.
Plus his work ethic and character. AND HE CAN SHOOT
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As a ROOKIE that will not get calls and have them go against him-Why would he throw himself around-the hardest part of defense early is playing positionally and you give that as his strength,another is lateral agility something you can't teach and critical in which he is elite
-He is in the gym daily working out for quickness and speed-unmatched work ethic and character
The list of all stars he has guarded is unmatched as a rookie.And they get star calls
His sprint time and vertical was elite at combine yet you claim no motor.Guards 1-5 go figure it.
He was number one pick and pop in NCAA and 3rd iso- and 40% from three.
He is a rookie and will draw fouls throwing himself around-
No motor from your TV set.I think you need a Jane-
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Semi is not a borderline elite defensive player, at least not right now. His defense so far is okay, not great. He had some terrific plays against Giannis earlier in the year, but those have been few and far between. In most games his defense has been average at best. He could get better, but also it is possible he won't. I tend to think that he won't have much of a chance once Hayward gets back. There simply won't be that many mpg for him. I'm not rooting against Semi, no one would be happier than me if ended up being an impact player. I simply haven't seen anything that makes me expect that from him. Right now he is not a good player. I hope he gets better, but I'm not convinced it's likely.
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I think i'll listen to Brad on that
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Semi is not a borderline elite defensive player, at least not right now. His defense so far is okay, not great. He had some terrific plays against Giannis earlier in the year, but those have been few and far between. In most games his defense has been average at best. He could get better, but also it is possible he won't. I tend to think that he won't have much of a chance once Hayward gets back. There simply won't be that many mpg for him. I'm not rooting against Semi, no one would be happier than me if ended up being an impact player. I simply haven't seen anything that makes me expect that from him. Right now he is not a good player. I hope he gets better, but I'm not convinced it's likely.
I'll just chalk it up to the shiny new toy syndrome. It happens yearly. A new player, usually a prospect, latches on our team and is instantly overrated. Last year a certain someone (cough, Rollie, cough) was also overrating Nader based on D-League play. The year before it was Mickey, before him it was Young, and before them it was Faverani. Next year it'll be someone else. Rinse and repeat on the forum.
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Baiting again Eddie-Semi replaced Nader forme because of his athleticism and defense-Nader comps were when we had young-i started watching semi at Hoops House in his draft interviews and a Boy Scout video on you tube before he was drafted in May--how did you like semis eurostep.
Nothing like a failed low level player to take pot shots at our rookies
Seems Brad had plans for baynes after all.
I'll listen to Brad on Semis defense as you sit watching your TV-no girlfriend -home alone again.
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Rollie, you can make good basketball points without any personal attacks. You really are better than this.
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Baiting again Eddie-Semi replaced Nader forme because of his athleticism and defense-Nader comps were when we had young-i started watching semi at Hoops House in his draft interviews and a Boy Scout video on you tube before he was drafted in May--how did you like semis eurostep.
Nothing like a failed low level player to take pot shots at our rookies
Seems Brad had plans for baynes after all.
I'll listen to Brad on Semis defense as you sit watching your TV-no girlfriend -home alone again.
You use the term "baiting" and then you type the above? No GF? Ok, lol, you definitely don't know me. Speaking of GF's, you're a little old there, pal, so that's a topic you probably don't want to "bring up".
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Okay let's knock it off. Little advice for both of you, ignore the others' posts because if you don't there will be repercussions.
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Gladly-i have been posting to the moderator about his stalking and baiting-
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... maybe he's just an end of the bench guy that isn't very good.
Actually he's in the rotation.
Or are you making a prediction?
Only due to necessity because Hayward is hurt. Hell, he might be out of rotation if we fill the remaining roster spot with someone decent.
You seem sure of yourself. Would you care to predict how many minutes he plays this season?
With a healthy Hayward, he'd be in the spot minute boat along with Larkin, and ahead of Yabu and Nader. This isn't exactly going out on a limb, though. Talent wise Semi is an end of the bench guy and there is an argument to be made that he wouldn't be getting minutes on many teams.
The argument for Semi actually being a good player is a little weird.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3056602/semi-ojeleye
So. Would you be willing to back up your scouting with a minutes prediction?
I'm not sure how to quantify that when you factor in the uncertainty of injuries.
You can't. But if you have any sporting blood, you can make a prediction. I'm disappointed that you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is... or TP's, which would be appropriate to wager in a situation like this.
Actually, you did make a prediction - you said that he's an end-of-the bench player, despite the fact that he's already getting rotation minutes; in fact he's ninth on the team.
I'm guessing you think Semi is a good player. Sorry, I don't.
No problem. It's looking like you'll get plenty of time to change your mind.
Semi's best skill is his ability to move his feet laterally and play sound positional defense.
You're not quite getting how remarkable he is - but his coach does. He's got the strength to stand his ground with bigger stronger players and the speed to stay with quicker ones, and to do it without fouling; in fact, Brad has put him on some of the league's toughest covers, big and small. Brad's remark about putting him on Devin Booker (!) is telling; he said he was "kicking himself" for not doing it sooner. But Ojeleye also smothered Porzingis and Greek Freak. This is in November and December of his rookie year.
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I agree that Brad has confidence in Semi, and that means a lot. But to say that he's smothering players on D just isn't true. He has had a few good moments on D, but for the most part his D has not been special. It's been okay. Now, for a rookie, and a second round pick, okay D is pretty impressive. But he is not the defensive force people are trying to make him out to be. As far as mpg go, that is mostly a matter of injuries. With a healthy Hayward and Morris I don't think Semi sees much time at all.
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semi was garbage tonight
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semi was garbage tonight
He's garbage every night and he's part of the problem with our bench scoring. Him playing alongside Smart, and to a lesser degree Rozier, compounds our bench scoring/shooting issues. It's just more of an issue because unlike those two, he brings nothing else to the table offensively.
Playing 14 MPG and only averaging 2.6 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 0.2 APG, 0.0 BPG, and 0.4 SPG is pretty hard to do, but Semi's making it look really easy. Statistically speaking he's also our worst shooter. His FG% is a team worst 31.6% (worse than Smart by a hair), his 3PT% is a team worst 27% (Smart's is at 28%), and his FT% is also a team worst at 58% (Brown is 2nd at 60%).
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Semi's been disappointing offensively. Last night had a great opportunity to hit an open corner 3 that would have put the C's in the game and energized team and crowd. As he's been doing consistently, he missed. That's a shot he should be making regularly. On defense he's looking like he belongs and can make positive contributions. But he needs to hit the 3.
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That's just it, his defense is not as good as people are saying. For a rookie second round draft pick it's better than you would expect, but he regularly gets beat. He has had a few really impressive moments, like against Giannis, but those are few and far between. What's really going on is the Celts are short-handed and he can step in and play okay defense at the wing, but if Hayward and Morris were healthy he wouldn't be playing at all. Right now he's not good. He's bad. Maybe he'll get better, I hope so, but I haven't seen anything to make me expect it. I also think people are putting too much emphasis on his college stats. Now that we have NBA stats to look at those are meaningless. Yes, he shot the three well in college. But it's a shorter 3 and he didn't play against top competition. It's not surprising that it is not translating.
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I think Semi will be fine.
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It depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean back of the rotation guy, limited mpg off the bench, fill in for injured wings, then yes he will be fine. If you mean starter or impact player off the bench then I don't agree. I don't see him as an important part of a playoff team.
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It depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean back of the rotation guy, limited mpg off the bench, fill in for injured wings, then yes he will be fine. If you mean starter or impact player off the bench then I don't agree. I don't see him as an important part of a playoff team
I, think Semi will be fine. He is, without doubt, the best overall athlete on the team, in terms of being the total package of strength, speed, lateral movement and jumping. So physically he has the tools.
I think a lot of his issues stem from an adjustment to the pro game and confidence in his ability. He is also a rookie and unlike Nader, Semi can stay in front of his man, isn't a black hole on offense and tries on defense.
He has some nice price lockin and he is here to stay. CBS loves him, forgive me if I trust him over you.
And BTW how is Pegasus doing? No ill feelings after that fall?
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This is you on Semi...
I, think Semi will be fine. He is, without doubt, the best overall athlete on the team, in terms of being the total package of strength, speed, lateral movement and jumping. So physically he has the tools.
I think a lot of his issues stem from an adjustment to the pro game and confidence in his ability.
This is you on Bender...
Perhaps there is an opening in a ballet?
The NBA does not rate guys how they move, they rate them by how they contribute to winning and stat production.
I guess you aren't above being hypocritical since the things you are praising in the 23-year-old Semi are the SAME things you criticize in the much more talented and younger 20-year-old Bender. At least be consistent, man.
Here's a comparison between the two that might ease your troubles in objectivity...
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Dragan+Bender&player_id1_select=Dragan+Bender&y1=2018&player_id1=bendedr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Semi+Ojeleye&player_id2_select=Semi+Ojeleye&y2=2018&player_id2=ojelese01&idx=players
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semi was garbage tonight
Brilliant analysis.
I'll bet you changed a lot of people's minds with this pithy, insightful declaration. Truly, this is a golden nugget worthy of Red Auerbach and the great tradition of Boston Celtics basketball.
I'd give you a TP, but it just doesn't seem adequate... like giving Beethoven a $5 tip for playing his last piano sonata, or giving Michelangelo a box of Girl Scout cookies to honor his Pieta.
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It depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean back of the rotation guy, limited mpg off the bench, fill in for injured wings, then yes he will be fine. If you mean starter or impact player off the bench then I don't agree. I don't see him as an important part of a playoff team
For now, ninth/eighth man. The future looks bright, though, and I would not rule out a future as an NBA starter.
He is, without doubt, the best overall athlete on the team, in terms of being the total package of strength, speed, lateral movement and jumping. So physically he has the tools.
We could add that he has picture-perfect shot mechanics and a veteran's feel for the game. The upside is big, the opportunity is there for him. Too bad about Hayward and Morris; if those guys were healthy there might not be much court time for Ojeleye, but rotation minutes for him are the silver lining of their loss.
I think a lot of his issues stem from an adjustment to the pro game and confidence in his ability. He is also a rookie...
Yes, let's keep some perspective here. Jayson Tatum is a prodigy who is the very unusual exception to the rule of rookie mediocrity.
He has some nice price lockin and he is here to stay. CBS loves him...
Yes, kudos to Brad for getting him consistent developmental minutes. It's a marathon, not a sprint; and as he did with Jaylen last year, coach is putting up with the inevitable rookie mistakes and adjustment to team defense and the pace of the pro game - looking ahead to what Semi and Theis could contribute come playoff time.
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Semi has got time in 31 games and he can quard 1-5 not many can do that-i have seen Brad use him in 4th quarter Some guys watching from a TV set or looking at some stats. while Semi is playing for Boston Celtics and is averaging 14 minutes .
Semi has to play 1-5 and with a mixture of players.Defense is so much more than running up the floor with all the screens and switching and the timing.There has been little continuity or experience to draw from.Getting used NBA strength,speed and length and guarding multiple positions with timing and help coverage so critical.Team defense is crucial to Bostons success
Brad has praised semi's defense as almost elite.AND BRAD IS TRUTHFUL
Semi can shoot and has a history of hitting threes at high % in college and after at Hoops House and tryouts-just aren't falling yet for whatever reason
I think i trust Brad and his staff rather than some critics-Semi is a rookie sometimes guarding all stars,some times even superstars and he will be needed over the season and in the playoffs
-I think Brad is telling him to shoot and his teammates are supportive.
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I found this pre-draft analysis to be pretty interesting and echoes many of my thoughts.
His shooting is really the only thing that intrigues me about him and even that I'm not super high on. Pretty clean mechanics, but stiff and I don't think he has great natural touch plus I've seen enough really bad misses that I don't think it's a guarantee it translates to being more than an average spot 3 shooter down the road w/limited versatility to his shot. Not sure how much off the dribble stuff he'll be able to do, but his pull-up jumper could help him out here.
He get's labeled as a good finisher, but I think he's going to be limited to open transition opportunities and cuts in the half court here. Whenever I saw him matched up against a team with size/athleticism, he looked pretty bad when he'd either have to dribble and finish or didn't have clear sight of the rim. Pretty rigid and seems to have poor ball+body control and lacks a left hand which leads to some pretty ugly finishes. Much better athlete in space vs traffic too which is troubling for a guy his size and considering those other issues.
Defensively, I'm not sure how his movement will translate to guarding high level perimeter players. Looks like he has pretty good feet and can get into a stance but just doesn't look that fluid changing direction and I think his lack of length limits his versatility here.
And as an interior defender, he really lacks a presence on floor. Fine positionally, but is often flat footed and overall just not very disruptive. Needs to learn to play harder and overall just compete at a higher level. He's a good athlete and has a strong frame, but really doesn't use it much at all right now. Distinct lack of effort/energy plays from him. This could be looked at as some untapped potential, or it could pigeon hole him into being a situational player who doesn't really have a defensive position and isn't dynamic enough offensively to make up for it.
His production and tools probably make him a fine pick somewhere in the 2nd round--I'd lean mid/late--but just a few too many skill/size translation question marks for me to get that excited about his role potential at the next level.
Great breakdown, this is why I come to this subreddit. I agree with everything you said here. Originally I was super high on him as a late round pick because of his size, versatility, age, and skill set but then diving into the numbers he's really only a good shooter who dominated lesser competition. He still has some value in the second round, but that's about it.
This is extremely late (just catching up to see what people think of SMU players), but this could not be more spot on.
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I think people are overstating his value. He's done a good job for a second rounder, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he will be a regular rotation player going forward. If Gordon were healthy Semi wouldn't be playing at all. When Gordon comes back next season, I expect Semi's playing time to drop to practically nothing.
... you have to admit the way he moves his body on defense is fun to watch. It's like he is mimicking what the coaches do in practice. Wide base shuffling feet its all a thing of beauty to see someone do in today's NBA as a rookie.
... man the way he walls up his guy is something I enjoy watching.
However he does seem to over help at time but that's a rookie thing and he'll figure out over time when to help, when to rotate and when to just hang on his guy.
Good eye, Chilly. Team defense is a steeper climb than individual, and Semi is getting the crash course, mistakes and all. It sure is great to watch his progress - he's a worker.
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No doubt their games are VERY different. But Semi and Draymond actually have almost identical rookie stat lines in terms of points and minutes.
Draymond added 8 minutes more per game in year 2. Not sure if we have room for that
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Amazing what length that some posters go to in an attempt to discredit rookies.The fact of going back to pre draft scouting reports that do not factor in improvement.Drew Hanlon is an NBA skills coach and has quite a client list at Pure Sweat
Pre draft he worked for three months with Tatum and Semi and other NBA prospects, so his opinions MUST be listened too!!!He has coached Tatum since he was 14.
At HOOPS HOUSE both Semi and Tatum were part of a small group that lived together ,ate together and practiced together getting ready for tryouts.There are Videos brought out following this process in two parts-HOOPS HOUSE
.Hanlon actually stated semi lateral was just average and that they worked 45 minutes a day on this area turning him into 3rd fastest in lane agility at combine.
There was an interview on CLNS Deepdive with Hanlon and he stated how surprised he was that the Celts were to get him in 2nd round and he predicted Semi's rise in minutes for a rookie.
Semi continues in the gym today working on strength for speed.Hanlon stated how hard it was to get NBA players to practice defense 45 minutes a day not problem for Semi
.He also mentioned some tweaks on form that were made resulting in good shooting at summer league-maybe Semi has fallen back into some bad habits-GO GET HANLON bring him up for a weekend with semi.
How many rookies quard 1-5 get put on Lebron,Giannis,porzingis and can keep guardsfrom turning the corner.
It is frustrating that posters call semi -"hot garbage or he sucks ,is not tough doesn't hustle and
is a paper athlete.
This is a rookie playing team defense guarding point guards to centers,switching constantly and dealing with constantly changing lineups.
The level of Bostons defense(number one) is a testament of Celtic commitment and Semi has been part of it.It doesn't matter that Hayward and Morris are down it does matter that Semi was able to step up.
This in turn has allowed Danny to not make any hasty moves or rush Morris back.
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So Semi hires Hanlon, but Hanlon's opinions MUST be listened to. I'm sure he has no motivation whatsoever and his opinions are 100% impartial.
This notion that Semi is some super defender that can cover all positions really needs to stop. He's a good positional defender, but not great. As a team defender he's pretty poor and just 2 games ago Baynes was yelling at him for a missed rotation that caused an and-1.
I'm thankful that he only received 4 minutes last game. We just look much better offensively going with a 3 guard lineup and giving Semi's minutes to Larkin and playing Snart at the 3.
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Who cares what you think-its Brad that boosted Semis stock on defense-the more time he gets the better suited he will be for the next set of injuries. re you that short sighted.?
Its better to listen to those that are more suited than your negative slant.Rookies need time to develop-rookies make mistakes-Semi is on a cost effective contract and can guard multiple positions.
You go back pre draft for a critique where there are a multitude of articles praising Semi's defense for a ROOKIE
Brad has played Semi in 4th quarters-obviously not for his shooting.
You watch a game from a TV have no pro experience or were coached by a talent like Brad or even trained at a Hanlon Level.There was celebration when the Celtics got Semi from the Hanlon group.
The best athlete at combine and at 240 lbs a NBA body-he keeps guards from turning the corner doesn't allow PF to back him down with his base and weight distribution,i have not seen many turnovers and surprisingly the refs are letting him play..
In today's game to find a player that has the lower body strength and lateral to fight over screens-Brad is grooming Semi-the playoffs get very physical and we will need him to have experience he is getting now.
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he went back into hibernation
just looks timid and also taking some bad shots. i doubt CBS has instructed him to only shoot 3s
instead of chucking them when a defender is rushing you.... pump fake and drive to the basket or pump fake , stop and pop
not a very good passer
Defense is solid but until he can figure it out on offense, he won't remain in the league very long
he is also a older rookie.
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he went back into hibernation
just looks timid and also taking some bad shots. i doubt CBS has instructed him to only shoot 3s
instead of chucking them when a defender is rushing you.... pump fake and drive to the basket or pump fake , stop and pop
not a very good passer
Defense is solid but until he can figure it out on offense, he won't remain in the league very long
he is also a older rookie.
I agree with pretty much everything you said there. I would say that his overall feel offensively is really lacking. No passing or ballhandling to speak of. People just like to put on blinders and pretend he's something special, when he's clearly not.
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Who cares what you think-its Brad that boosted Semis stock on defense-the more time he gets the better suited he will be for the next set of injuries. re you that short sighted.?
Its better to listen to those that are more suited than your negative slant.Rookies need time to develop-rookies make mistakes-Semi is on a cost effective contract and can guard multiple positions.
You go back pre draft for a critique where there are a multitude of articles praising Semi's defense for a ROOKIE
Brad has played Semi in 4th quarters-obviously not for his shooting.
You watch a game from a TV have no pro experience or were coached by a talent like Brad or even trained at a Hanlon Level.There was celebration when the Celtics got Semi from the Hanlon group.
The best athlete at combine and at 240 lbs a NBA body-he keeps guards from turning the corner doesn't allow PF to back him down with his base and weight distribution,i have not seen many turnovers and surprisingly the refs are letting him play..
In today's game to find a player that has the lower body strength and lateral to fight over screens-Brad is grooming Semi-the playoffs get very physical and we will need him to have experience he is getting now.
You criticize a fellow poster for watching basketball games on tv? For not having professional experience or playing for a coach as good as perhaps the best coach in the world? That’s just weird stuff to say. So weird.
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I like his defense but his offense leaves a lot to be desired right now. If his shot starts falling he will be useful but all he does is jack up threes basically. He really hardly looks to do anything else.
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Who cares what you think-its Brad that boosted Semis stock on defense-the more time he gets the better suited he will be for the next set of injuries. re you that short sighted.?
Its better to listen to those that are more suited than your negative slant.Rookies need time to develop-rookies make mistakes-Semi is on a cost effective contract and can guard multiple positions.
You go back pre draft for a critique where there are a multitude of articles praising Semi's defense for a ROOKIE
Brad has played Semi in 4th quarters-obviously not for his shooting.
You watch a game from a TV have no pro experience or were coached by a talent like Brad or even trained at a Hanlon Level.There was celebration when the Celtics got Semi from the Hanlon group.
The best athlete at combine and at 240 lbs a NBA body-he keeps guards from turning the corner doesn't allow PF to back him down with his base and weight distribution,i have not seen many turnovers and surprisingly the refs are letting him play..
In today's game to find a player that has the lower body strength and lateral to fight over screens-Brad is grooming Semi-the playoffs get very physical and we will need him to have experience he is getting now.
You criticize a fellow poster for watching basketball games on tv? For not having professional experience or playing for a coach as good as perhaps the best coach in the world? That’s just weird stuff to say. So weird.
For some strange reason he seems to get really hostile when anyone criticizes Semi (not sure why, but that's another story) or disagrees with any of his views. So wacky comments like that is simply the result of his emotions getting the best of him.
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he went back into hibernation
just looks timid and also taking some bad shots. i doubt CBS has instructed him to only shoot 3s
instead of chucking them when a defender is rushing you.... pump fake and drive to the basket or pump fake , stop and pop
not a very good passer
Defense is solid but until he can figure it out on offense, he won't remain in the league very long
he is also a older rookie.
true this
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Wacky comments, like your accusation of Hanlons views ,the override of Brads views the pulling out pre draft critigues ,the overide of combine stats ,the claims of that "semi sucks",doesn't hustle is a paper athlete You deserved the comment that you just watch TV are not on the floor or had the coaching of Brad. Yet you dismiss his views and his teammates on semis defense.You give no allowances for a rookie in short pre season with few practices learning multiple defensive sets and rotations while playing with mixed lineups and guarding multiple positions an Often guarding the likes of Gianiss,Curry,Anthony and George.How many times you have attacked Semi in this SUBJECT heading.The moderator said back off.
Semi again playing in 4th quarter close game-drives and set up Theis for foul line jumper,big defensive rebound and drives baseline for reverse and fouled -sinks both foul shot subbed out at about 4 minute mark solid defense and blocking out. 5 points,1-1 from three 2-2 free throws 1 assist and 1 rebound in in 14 minutes and during 4th in 6 minutes 2 pts free throws an assist and a rebound.
The development of Semi is critical for any extended playoff run with the physicality of playoffs and further injuries that come up.
Your short sighted,caustic criticism repetitively aimed at Semi who is part of the number one defense in the league and as he learns on the fly is warped and driven by some need to feel superior versus the want of someone to do well and a realistic excusing of a rookies learning and errors
-I say he has skills that are unique and works hard and has a history of being a good shooter.I post recent comments from coaches,trainers and teammates while you denigrate and smear his effort from your TV perch while thinking you have a better insight into his talent and development than the Celtic organization.
You wait for mistakes and bad games to gleefully critique and gloat as you flaunt his shooting stats while i watch for little improvements, growth through experience and good games to build on
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Wacky comments like your accusation of Hanlons views ,your override of Brads views your pulling pre draft critigues ,your overide of combine stats ,your claims of that "semi sucks",doesn't hustle is a paper athlete You deserved the comment that you just watch TV are not on the floor or had the coaching of Brad. Yet you dismiss his views and his teammates on semis defense.You give no allowances for a rookie in short pre season with few practices learning multiple defensive sets and rotations while playing with mixed lineups and guarding multiple positions an Often guarding the likes of Gianiss,Curry,Anthony and George.How many times you have attacked Semi in this SUBJECT.
Semi again playing in 4th quarter close game-drives and set up Theis for foul line jumper,big defensive rebound and drives baseline for reverse and fouled -sinks both foul shot subbed out at about 4 minute mark solid defense and blocking out. 5 points,1-1 from three 2-2 free throws 1 assist and 1 rebound in in 14 minutes and during 4th in 6 minutes 2 pts free throws an assist and a rebound.
The development of Semi is critical for any extended playoff run with the physicality of playoffs and further injuries that come up.
Your short sighted,caustic criticism repetitively aimed at Semi who is part of the number one defense in the league and as he learns on the fly is warped and driven by some need to feel superior versus the want of someone to do well and a realistic excusing of a rookies learning and errors
-I say he has skills that are unique and works hard and has a history of being a good shooter.I post recent comments from coaches,trainers and teammates while you denigrate and smear his effort from your TV perch while thinking you have a better insight into his talent and development than the Celtic organization.
You wait for mistakes and bad games to gleefully critique and gloat as you flaunt his shooting stats while i watch for little improvements, growth through experience and good games to build on
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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.
I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
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Another Snarkey post attempting to dismiss ojeleyes combine results this is a 240 lb player with chiseled physique and low body fat that had a vertical of 40.5 a incredible lateral agility score along with 8th at sprint -these drills were not elaborate and new to any players and semi's combined scores made him best athlete in combine.As a rookie you have a referee process in learning what you can and can't do.You play multiple positions against players that are expert in drawing fouls and refs giving calls to the stars.You challenge his motor-he had a shortened preseason a wholesale change in players a schedule that did afford any practices and had more to learn with playing 1-5 positions in constantly changing line-ups.
You then compare him to a BC football player who jumped his draft position because he aced the combine.Danny and Brad had been watching this kid for a long time.
You go deeper and deeper into the hole of some sour grapes critic picking on a rookie and attempting to overturn the public comment made by Brad,hHorford and a multitude of articles praising his efforts..
He will beegin to hit threes ,its just a matter of time-the guy is and has a excellant compact stroke according to shooting coaches-he will learn to attack closeouts and he was the top NCAA shooting% on pick and pops.
When asked recently about semis defense Horfords just lit up-"great defense".
31 games in and there was Semi playing 6 minutes in 4th in a sort of must win game-.i suggest you watch his assist to Theis or his corner three or his closeout in 4th quarter and dropping both foul shots.
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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
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Let's remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and let's be respectful to each other when debating those differences.
I hold out hope for Semi to be a good 3 and D player someday. But that day is not now and possibly might not even be for this team. He needs a lot of work offensively and he still misses switches defensively. But he does have potential.
I like him more than Yabusele who was a mid first rounder as compared to Semi's somewhat early second round selection
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Semi airballed a 3pt shot the other day. Disappointing
And Jordan bell is doing nice things for the warriors
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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
Ok? i bet you missed the game he shut down THE letter bro
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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
Ok? i bet you missed the game he shut down THE letter bro
Can you provide that specific game you're referring to because these are Giannis' averages over 3 games vs Boston this season:
PPG 35.0
RPG 10.7
APG 4.7
SPG 2.0
FG% 55.2
FT% 85.3
3PT% 40.0
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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
One i quote people who make those comments and it is common sense that a rookie is going to make mistakes on defense having to play 1-5.Also i expect he will make better decision as he gains experience.This is a rookie on a pretty good team -that plays some good defense.I think we will need him come playoffs-i have no idea how good he will become but i believe he can shoot,a i know he works really hard ,gym studying film and shooting.He is a very unique player but lacks the component i like best standing reach and wingspan but has the stance and upper and lower strength and lateral that is so rare .I believe others that quote shooting coaches on his stroke and ability to be a good shooter.I believe Brad and Horford and Hanlon.
He plays for our team is a rookie and i wish him well-if Brad says he is a good shooter and is close to elite on defense-those are the people i quote and its on them.
Being high on someone is reserved for Jason ,Jaylen,Horford ,kyrie and Marcus on defense--i'm high on mitchel,booker,kuzma as young players
but i will defend critics of our rookies because we may need them over the long season and playoff-Semi is the most likely to have an impact come playoffs as he will get tasked to defend some high profile players
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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
One i quote people who make those comments and it is common sense that a rookie is going to make mistakes on defense having to play 1-5.Also i expect he will make better decision as he gains experience.This is a rookie on a pretty good team -that plays some good defense.I think we will need him come playoffs-i have no idea how good he will become but i believe he can shoot,a i know he works really hard ,gym studying film and shooting.He is a very unique player but lacks the component i like best standing reach and wingspan but has the stance and upper and lower strength and lateral that is so rare .I believe others that quote shooting coaches on his stroke and ability to be a good shooter.I believe Brad and Horford and Hanlon.
He plays for our team is a rookie and i wish him well-if Brad says he is a good shooter and is close to elite on defense-those are the people i quote and its on them.
Being high on someone is reserved for Jason ,Jaylen,Horford ,kyrie and Marcus on defense--i'm high on mitchel,booker,kuzma as young players
but i will defend critics of our rookies because we may need them over the long season and playoff-Semi is the most likely to have an impact come playoffs as he will get tasked to defend some high profile players
Really think this isn't going to happen. First Morris and possibly Hayward could be back for the playoffs. Stevens tightens up his rotations during the post season, so if those guys are healthy, Semi will be frozen out of the playoff rotation
He might get some minutes if there is foul trouble or in blowouts, but I don't see him being used as a defensive specialist against the best of competition during the playoffs. Don't see that happening at all.
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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.
I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
I feel like every word of that could've been said about Jae Crowder in 2013. I know it's not working out for him in Cleveland but he was a big piece for the Cavs in the Kyrie trade this summer. If Ojeleye puts in the work and has the right mentality, I don't see any reason he couldn't be a valuable 3-and-D player for a long time.
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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.
I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
I feel like every word of that could've been said about Jae Crowder in 2013. I know it's not working out for him in Cleveland but he was a big piece for the Cavs in the Kyrie trade this summer. If Ojeleye puts in the work and has the right mentality, I don't see any reason he couldn't be a valuable 3-and-D player for a long time.
All true about Jae but let's not pretend that every 2nd round tweener is the same and will take the same career path. Almost all the time, they don't. We got lucky with Crowder.
I hope we are lucky again with Semi. I like the kid. My expectations are low though. I think he has very strong 3&D potential and could be a great addition to any rotation. Time will tell if he is.
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I think it depends on what we mean by valuable. If you are thinking he can be a useful 3 and D guy off the bench, a quality role player, then yes, I could see that happening, provided that he actually can shoot. It seems to me that some people are thinking that he is a future all-star level player. I don't see that at all. I don't even expect him to be a starter, he looks to me like a bench player at best.
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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.
I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
I feel like every word of that could've been said about Jae Crowder in 2013. I know it's not working out for him in Cleveland but he was a big piece for the Cavs in the Kyrie trade this summer. If Ojeleye puts in the work and has the right mentality, I don't see any reason he couldn't be a valuable 3-and-D player for a long time.
The difference between him and Jae, along with the other undersized players he often gets compared to like Green, PJ Tucker, etc., is the motor. Those players play really hard, give multiple efforts on plays, and have a certain toughness and edge to them that offsets their lack of height. Semi doesn't have that. His hustle stats are awful - 0.3 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 2.1 RPG in 14.2 MPG - and have been awful since college - 0.4 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 6.9 RPG in 34.1 MPG - even though he played in a weak conference against subpar opposition. There is no grittiness or fight in Semi; he's a finesse type player that plays with a gas tank that's always on E.
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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.
I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
I feel like every word of that could've been said about Jae Crowder in 2013. I know it's not working out for him in Cleveland but he was a big piece for the Cavs in the Kyrie trade this summer. If Ojeleye puts in the work and has the right mentality, I don't see any reason he couldn't be a valuable 3-and-D player for a long time.
The difference between him and Jae, along with the other undersized players he often gets compared to like Green, PJ Tucker, etc., is the motor. Those players play really hard, give multiple efforts on plays, and have a certain toughness and edge to them that offsets their lack of height. Semi doesn't have that. His hustle stats are awful - 0.3 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 2.1 RPG in 14.2 MPG - and have been awful since college - 0.4 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 6.9 RPG in 34.1 MPG - even though he played in a weak conference against subpar opposition. There is no grittiness or fight in Semi; he's a finesse type player that plays with a gas tank that's always on E.
I think that isn't completely unfair. Could be a case of him finding his feet. He transfered. Could be that once he gets more comfortable he could develop. No way I'm giving up on him breaking out - lucky he only sucks up 900K of the cap for next year...
C'mon Semi - you have 6 months and 15 days to turn into PJ Tucker.
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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.
I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
I feel like every word of that could've been said about Jae Crowder in 2013. I know it's not working out for him in Cleveland but he was a big piece for the Cavs in the Kyrie trade this summer. If Ojeleye puts in the work and has the right mentality, I don't see any reason he couldn't be a valuable 3-and-D player for a long time.
The difference between him and Jae, along with the other undersized players he often gets compared to like Green, PJ Tucker, etc., is the motor. Those players play really hard, give multiple efforts on plays, and have a certain toughness and edge to them that offsets their lack of height. Semi doesn't have that. His hustle stats are awful - 0.3 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 2.1 RPG in 14.2 MPG - and have been awful since college - 0.4 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 6.9 RPG in 34.1 MPG - even though he played in a weak conference against subpar opposition. There is no grittiness or fight in Semi; he's a finesse type player that plays with a gas tank that's always on E.
It's pretty interesting to me how much weight scouts give to steals in college. It seems like a pretty minor stat, but low steal rates raise red flags when predicting NBA success even for guys who score a ton of points and do other things well.
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Semi was Parade Magazine "player of year in high school"
Recruited by Duke but played sparingly as he was behind Jabari Parker and then Justice Winslow
Transferred to SMU and Larry Brown and red shirted for one year ,he led SMU to AAC regular season and tournament championships
Named AAC player of year averaged 18 points a game shot 40% from three and led NCAA in pick and pop%
one of 67 players invited to 2017 NBA player combine
in combine games scored in double digits twice and had 6 steals
40.5 vertical,3rd in lane agility and 8th in sprint
Dec 4 Brad stated "i think Semi can be an elite defensively and i'm not sure he is far from that now""he is a very capable shooter and he is a guy you have to guard out there" "he is going to draw attention"
Horford says" semi's defense is great has a real sense" and that is from the our defensive co-ordinator
The degree of difficulty guarding a possible 5 positions with different combinations,the ability of NBA players in terms of speed ,strength and length,the amount of switching and timing,fighting over top of screens and with all this trying not to draws fouls with Refs protecting stars and players using every trick to force our guys into them.
I believe Semi can shoot because of his history and his short compact stroke that shooting coaches have commented on and( its a matter of time maybe 2nd half of season)asnow he has alot on plate defensively.
He has been given his share of tough coverage's and is a ROOKIE filling the gap from injuries and most importantly gained the trust of BRAD
The guy was the 7th pick in 2nd round playing defense for the number 1 NBA team and number one defense against superstars and stars at 5 positions and plays in 4th quarters and even a full 4th a couple of times
Everybody can have an opinion, my wife has them galore but when they collide with Brads and Horford and Drew Hanlon then i believe either people are wrong or don't understand the difficulty or the development of a ROOKIE.
I believe the shortened training camp and pre season did not help and early season schedule with so few team practices.
I have never made claims of superstar or comparisons due to his wingspan-but i believe he will be an asset during extended playoff run as a strong body put on Lebron to wear him down even if its some physical hard fouls.I also watched him harass Curry and he said Semi doesn't get the praise he should.
How has a popular player that works so hard become so divisive and maligned on this board.This is not James Young entitled lazy and a hyped draft pick.This is a player who aspires to play defense like Marcus or Crowder and was fully ready from draft for d league experience.
Guess what learn on the fly by the big boys on National TV with Brad and Ainge watching everything.
I don't know where the low motor accusation came from-maybe its from not thowing youself around and flying in face of refs or knowing your boundaries and not overcompensating without gaining experience.In college he recklessly used his bulk much like Jaylen did .He doesn't take plays off intentionally but may be confused rookie hesitancy and gets to little on court time to judge motor-his limitations i think in NBA stem from length and wingspan not being elite..He can pick and pop and score off dribble with pull up but that is not his place -he has been tasked to play defense by Brad.
Larry Brown thought he was a fit for Boston but was concerned for Semi not getting playing time-look how that has turned out!!
Last year Jaylen made huge strides the 2nd half of season and in playoffs.
In college to quote on offensive board"semi is aggressive and has nose for the ball" as that video put back of his is a classic" thunderous dunk
No Whiteside -Baynes will be a handful for Kelly
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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
Ok? i bet you missed the game he shut down THE letter bro
Can you provide that specific game you're referring to because these are Giannis' averages over 3 games vs Boston this season:
PPG 35.0
RPG 10.7
APG 4.7
SPG 2.0
FG% 55.2
FT% 85.3
3PT% 40.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v04s3avrgY here you go
You can see the desperation in giannis when he throw up the air ball
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I am with semi but to say he can go face to face with Lebron is a bit over
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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
Ok? i bet you missed the game he shut down THE letter bro
Can you provide that specific game you're referring to because these are Giannis' averages over 3 games vs Boston this season:
PPG 35.0
RPG 10.7
APG 4.7
SPG 2.0
FG% 55.2
FT% 85.3
3PT% 40.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v04s3avrgY here you go
You can see the desperation in giannis when he throw up the air ball
So basically he missed 2 shots and dumped it off to Monroe on another, that's hardly "shutting him down". Unless you think of course Jerry Sichting shutdown MJ by blocking his shot in the game he scored 63. By the way, what was the stat line of the game "Semi shut Giannis down" in?
It was this one, right?
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400974818
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he led SMU to ACC regular season and tournament championships
Named ACC player of year
That's incorrect. SMU is NOT in the ACC and he was definitely NOT named ACC player of the year.
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Semi was Parade Magazine "player of year in high school"
Recruited by Duke but played sparingly as he was behind Jabari Parker and then Justice Winslow
Transferred to SMU and Larry Brown and red shirted for one year ,he led SMU to ACC regular season and tournament championships
Named ACC player of year averaged 18 points a game shot 40% from three and led NCAA in pick and pop%
one of 67 players invited to 2017 NBA player combine
in combine games scored in double digits twice and had 6 steals
40.5 vertical,3rd in lane agility and 8th in sprint
Dec 4 Brad stated "i think Semi can be an elite defensively and i'm not sure he is far from that now""he is a very capable shooter and he is a guy you have to guard out there" "he is going to draw attention"
Horford says" semi's defense is great has a real sense" and that is from the our defensive co-ordinator
The degree of difficulty guarding a possible 5 positions with different combinations,the ability of NBA players in terms of speed ,strength and length,the amount of switching and timing,fighting over top of screens and with all this trying not to draws fouls with Refs protecting stars and players using every trick to force our guys into them.
I believe Semi can shoot because of his history and his short compact stroke that shooting coaches have commented on and( its a matter of time maybe 2nd half of season)asnow he has alot on plate defensively.
He has been given his share of tough coverage's and is a ROOKIE filling the gap from injuries and most importantly gained the trust of BRAD
The guy was the 7th pick in 2nd round playing defense for the number 1 NBA team and number one defense against superstars and stars at 5 positions and plays in 4th quarters and even a full 4th a couple of times
Everybody can have an opinion, my wife has them galore but when they collide with Brads and Horford and Drew Hanlon then i believe either people are wrong or don't understand the difficulty or the development of a ROOKIE.
I believe the shortened training camp and pre season did not help and early season schedule with so few team practices.
I have never made claims of superstar or comparisons due to his wingspan-but i believe he will be an asset during extended playoff run as a strong body put on Lebron to wear him down even if its some physical hard fouls.I also watched him harass Curry and he said Semi doesn't get the praise he should.
How has a popular player that works so hard become so divisive and maligned on this board.This is not James Young entitled lazy and a hyped draft pick.This is a player who aspires to play defense like Marcus or Crowder and was fully ready from draft for d league experience.
Guess what learn on the fly by the big boys on National TV with Brad and Ainge watching everything.
I don't know where the low motor accusation came from-maybe its from not thowing youself around and flying in face of refs or knowing your boundaries and not overcompensating without gaining experience.In college he recklessly used his bulk much like Jaylen did .He doesn't take plays off intentionally but may be confused rookie hesitancy and gets to little on court time to judge motor-his limitations i think in NBA stem from length and wingspan not being elite..He can pick and pop and score off dribble with pull up but that is not his place -he has been tasked to play defense by Brad.
Larry Brown thought he was a fit for Boston but was concerned for Semi not getting playing time-look how that has turned out!!
Last year Jaylen made huge strides the 2nd half of season and in playoffs.
In college to quote on offensive board"semi is aggressive and has nose for the ball" as that video put back of his is a classic" thunderous dunk
No Whiteside -Baynes will be a handful for Kelly
Dude, I get you like writing, but there is a current thread about Semi (which you created) that IS LITERALLY UNDERNEATH THIS THREAD
Can we please stop creating the same thread.
I don't mind your writing at all, but it just gets annoying to see a million threads. You could have just added this comment to the "Semi starting to wake up or heat up" thread (which is already pretty interesting!
Maybe a suggestion would be to contact the Mods, and consider writing more detailed think-pieces like this one on the Fanposts tab.
Anyway Roll on Rollie Mass! Roll on!
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AAC player of year,AAC championship and winner AAC tournament--
Face to face Lebron-
i think that will happen for a few minutes not as his primary defender, i put even if its for some hard fouls -that implied that Morris would not get.If we get to finals against Clevland the celts have a history of picking up injuries-there is Jaylen,marcus morris and Semi with all the switching it is inevitable
Semi has the lateral and weight distribution to at least stay in front for a short period till Lebron adjusts.
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A rookie isn't going to be able to do anything with Lebron. He'll eat us alive for the most part, and Semi would be a snack for LBJ. If we're relying on Semi for significant minutes come playoff time, that series is already over.
We do have a guy on the roster - Marcus Morris - who has had some success defending Lebron. We really need him to be healthy come May if we have any hope of getting past CLE.
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Right now Semi isn't good. His defense is decent, which is good for a rookie, but it's not near-elite as some have claimed. He makes plenty of mistakes and I have seen him get beat by mediocre players more times than I have seen him shut down all-star players. It is fair to state, however, that he is just a rookie and he can get better. How much better is the question. As of now I haven't seen anything to make me think that he will be more than a defensive role player. College stats, especially from a secondary program, and combine results are meaningless at this point. All that matters is what he does on the court. Right now, he can play some defense so he's getting time. When Hayward comes back I suspect he won't play very much. I simply don't see where his mpg will come from with the celts at full strength. He won't take time from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or Morris. He can switch onto bigs during rotations, but I don't think they would play him as a big. Even in a small lineup you are much better off going with Morris or Tatum as a small ball 4. He's the 11th guy on the roster, counting Hayward, after the draft he could be 12th. (Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Smart, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi)
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Right now Semi isn't good. His defense is decent, which is good for a rookie, but it's not near-elite as some have claimed. He makes plenty of mistakes and I have seen him get beat by mediocre players more times than I have seen him shut down all-star players. It is fair to state, however, that he is just a rookie and he can get better. How much better is the question. As of now I haven't seen anything to make me think that he will be more than a defensive role player. College stats, especially from a secondary program, and combine results are meaningless at this point. All that matters is what he does on the court. Right now, he can play some defense so he's getting time. When Hayward comes back I suspect he won't play very much. I simply don't see where his mpg will come from with the celts at full strength. He won't take time from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or Morris. He can switch onto bigs during rotations, but I don't think they would play him as a big. Even in a small lineup you are much better off going with Morris or Tatum as a small ball 4. He's the 11th guy on the roster, counting Hayward, after the draft he could be 12th. (Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Smart, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi)
All valid points, but don't forget about the potential use of DPE. That too would push Semi down the rotation.
You have to consider the source and that the OP has a knack for consistently and unrealistically overrating our worst players. He does it yearly and some of his guys have been Nader, Green, Mickey, Datome, etc. He even said Jerebko would have a career year because JJ's neighbor built a basketball hoop and he would be using it. Next year someone will replace the hyperbole used on Semi, like Semi replaced Nader this season.
Rollie is definitely a fan, but sometimes those green glasses blur his vision.
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This thread is about Semi. Let's stop discussing individual posters.
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Right now Semi isn't good. His defense is decent, which is good for a rookie, but it's not near-elite as some have claimed. He makes plenty of mistakes and I have seen him get beat by mediocre players more times than I have seen him shut down all-star players. It is fair to state, however, that he is just a rookie and he can get better. How much better is the question. As of now I haven't seen anything to make me think that he will be more than a defensive role player.
College stats, especially from a secondary program, and combine results are meaningless at this point. All that matters is what he does on the court. Right now, he can play some defense so he's getting time. When Hayward comes back I suspect he won't play very much. I simply don't see where his mpg will come from with the celts at full strength. He won't take time from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or Morris. He can switch onto bigs during rotations, but I don't think they would play him as a big. Even in a small lineup you are much better off going with Morris or Tatum as a small ball 4. He's the 11th guy on the roster, counting Hayward, after the draft he could be 12th. (Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Smart, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi)
All valid points, but don't forget about the potential use of DPE. That too would push Semi down the rotation.
You have to consider the source and that the OP has a knack for consistently and unrealistically overrating our worst players. He does it yearly and some of his guys have been Nader, Green, Mickey, Datome, etc. He even said Jerebko would have a career year because JJ's neighbor built a basketball hoop and he would be using it. Next year someone will replace the hyperbole used on Semi, like Semi replaced Nader this season.
Rollie is definitely a fan, but sometimes those green glasses blur his vision.
Never ever rated Mickey or Dantome except he could shoot and made a in jest post to bring back GIGI after RJ and young couldn't shoot-how far back are you stalking-its getting creepy.
Nader has elite wingspan 7-1 and can hit threes and is ambidextrous at rim and was a huge upgrade over James Young.
Get this straight!! Jerebco bought a mansion with indoor full court and weight room and was going to work on his three all summer--Hows he doing with Utah he torched us.
another guy i did like was Powell who went in trade for Crowder
.Green for his ability to pile up points and his athleticism and magic with Isaiah in Phoenix as the highest scoring duo from bench in the west .Called him a Stilletto in Brads hands-as not an all purpose knife-Brad said he feared that guy when he game planned against him- ASK Chicago.
If that's all you can complain about seems like your urinating into the wind-Back off and stop stalking and baiting.
Development of a rookie that is cost effective can shoot play multiple positions is a luxury
-What is your problem..
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Getting badly beaten backdoor by Tyler Johnson. Being late on a rotation and then almost having Ellington dunk on him. Isolated 1-on-1 vs Waiters and being completely shaken out of his shoes (thankfully Waiters missed).
Some may say he has elite defense, elite athleticism, and is a good shooter, but it's hard to say that with a straight face until those things actually show up on the court. Some may point out to Stevens' trying to build up his defense, but when push comes to shove and the C's needed someone to defend Olynyk it was not Semi's "elite D" that got the nod, but the undersized Smart that received the assignment. And to think some have even suggested he can cover LeBron. Ridiculously laughable.
Offensively, what does he actually do well? The team hides him in the corner and prays he doesn't get in the way. He doesn't move well without the ball and I constantly see Stevens, Kyrie, Smart motioning to him on where he actually needs to be/corner to hide in. Let's not even talk about his passing and handles.
I can't wait for his 10-14 minutes to be redistributed elsewhere (get healthy soon Morris), as his defense isn't what it's hyped up to be and offensively he's an utter train wreck.
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So Semi had a nice couple of games and some of us praised him to the Moon and back. Now he is going through a rough patch and some others want him run out of town.
Another month on Celticsblog forum.
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Some may say he has elite defense, elite athleticism, and is a good shooter, but it's hard to say that with a straight face until those things actually show up on the court.
Actually anyone with the ability to use google and find out about his athletic ability.
2017 Combine results
Semi Ojeleye 40.50 MAX VERTICAL LEAP 5th at combine
Semi Ojeleye 35.00 STANDING VERTICAL LEAP 3rd at combine
Semi Ojeleye 10.5 LANE AGILITY 3rd at combine
https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine/
So it can be said that he has decent run and jump athletic ability because it has been empirically measured regardless of your so-called eye test. Note they did not do the bench press or make it public this year but it is a reasonable expectation given his frame and musculature that he would have done well at that.
As for his offense, being a trainwreck, a lot of the bench's offense is sketchy.
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Some may say he has elite defense, elite athleticism, and is a good shooter, but it's hard to say that with a straight face until those things actually show up on the court.
Actually anyone with the ability to use google and find out about his athletic ability.
2017 Combine results
Semi Ojeleye 40.50 MAX VERTICAL LEAP 5th at combine
Semi Ojeleye 35.00 STANDING VERTICAL LEAP 3rd at combine
Semi Ojeleye 10.5 LANE AGILITY 3rd at combine
https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine/
So it can be said that he has decent run and jump athletic ability because it has been empirically measured regardless of your so-called eye test. Note they did not do the bench press or make it public this year but it is a reasonable expectation given his frame and musculature that he would have done well at that.
As for his offense, being a trainwreck, a lot of the bench's offense is sketchy.
The combine is fascinating, so clearly based on those numbers he is more athletic then Collins, who posted a 37 inch vert. So why is that I see Collins' athleticism translate to film, while Semi's doesn't?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5baANqByW0o
Sometimes players, like Semi, train specifically for the combine which gives them numbers that exceed their on-court physical ability. That's why you have Semi outdoing the combine verticals of DeAndre Jordan (30.5), Westbrook (36.5), Blake Griffin (35.5), but what does logic tell you? I mean Sullinger even posted a higher vertical (31) than DeAndre.
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The combine is fascinating, so clearly based on those numbers he is more athletic then Collins, who posted a 37 inch vert. So why is that I see Collins' athleticism translate to film, while Semi's doesn't?
Agree
Sometimes players, like Semi, train specifically for the combine which gives them numbers that exceed their on-court physical ability. That's why you have Semi outdoing the combine verticals of DeAndre Jordan (30.5), Westbrook (36.5), Blake Griffin (35.5), but what does logic tell you? I mean Sullinger even posted a higher vertical (31) than DeAndre.
True, but you can take a look at the guy and see he is athletic. The trouble is that he does not use it or is afraid to use it in games. I think a lot of his problem is confidence or lack thereof.
One can see some of this potential in this tape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gZJGpGtPdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p_MXyYJu0I
Whether it ever translates is another matter.
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It is amazing to me that Semi is such a divisive feature of the team. Who writes a guy off as trash that's a 2nd rounder playing 15 minutes per game as a rookie being praised for elite defense?
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It is amazing to me that Semi is such a divisive feature of the team. Who writes a guy off as trash that's a 2nd rounder playing 15 minutes per game as a rookie being praised for elite defense?
That's the effect, but you're missing the cause. And that cause can be attributed to a certain poster creating thread after thread heralding Semi. One thread even suggesting that he would "eclipse" Crowder this season. Another claiming he can cover LeBron. If it wasn't for that, I would just think of Semi as another scrub player playing due to injuries. It's the constant unwarranted hype that's attracted all the negativie attention to his awful play.
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It's the constant unwarranted hype that's attracted all the negativie attention to his awful play.
...okay, but he's a rookie. He's already defending better than a lot of vets. He's got a lot of faith from the front office. He's going through a learning curve right now but I think calling him a scrub is hardly warranted. Seems like a gross overreaction the C's recent play.
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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore.
Your point about combine/college (and I would even add Summer League) has something, but they're not irrelevant. What a guy can do is not only a function of his competition - it's also a function of his skills, and those are visible in his previous work.
So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay.
Brad Stevens was the one who said "elite". There's something that many fans don't seem to get yet: They're using him as a stopper, putting him on some of the toughest covers in the NBA.
His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense.
"poor passing" - I can't tell where you might have gotten this. His turnovers are very low (10.1%, as a rookie!) and in particular he's had a grand total of three bad pass turnovers for the entire season, in 455 minutes of play. Perhaps you've seen him make a mistake passing, but you're better off doing the hard work of looking at a lot of minutes, not just go on an impression. You have to rewind!
"no handle" - the short answer reaction is 'how the hell could you even know?' - since mostly his job is to spot up and shoot if he's open, rotate the ball if he's not. But there have been some intriguing moments where he shows some really skillful stuff: the baseline drives right under the backboard in the Lakers game where he gets the ball up high on the reverse - an unblockable shot; or the open-floor drive in the Phoenix game where he switches hands and eurosteps for a layup.
My favorite so far has no razzle at all, but it's the stuff coaches love: Thaddeus Young closing out on him at the arc, he upfakes, fakes the drive left to get his man off balance, and then takes a couple of dribbles right to beat him. Sabonis rotates to take away the baseline, leaving Theis open at the elbow. Semi delivers the simple pass and Theis knocks it down. That's at 5:12 of the fourth in the Indiana game (notice that he's in the game at crunch time there), if you want to look it up.
"not in the flow of the offense" - that's not what I see, at all. He doesn't force anything, shoots when he's open, doesn't freelance. Here's a couple of telling stats: his usage rate is an absurdly low 9.6%. That's the lowest on the team. His 3-pt attempt rate is .790, which is the highest on the team (unless you count Kadeem Allen), and an absurdly high number, almost all spot-ups. 17 twos. Those stats tell you that he is doing almost nothing at all outside of the flow of the offense. I hope that I am not impolite, but I find your assertion baffling, and the opposite of the obvious reality.
As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench.
That's what he is now, already. But even saying that underestimates his role. They're using him as a stopper, putting him on some of the toughest covers in the NBA.
Are you predicting that he's already reached his ceiling? That's not likely.
He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th.
He's ninth in minutes right now, in front of Theis, so your math is likely off by at least one slot.
The return of Morris did not affect his minutes, though the re-exit of Morris seems to have increased them. It's a fluid situation, it's a long season, ups and downs are inevitable. Would he have gotten floor time if Hayward hadn't been injured, and Morris were healthy? I'd bet not. But now he's earned floor time going forward. Brad's remark that he was "kicking himself" for not putting him on Devin Booker sooner is telling: this guy has a future.
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I posted that he could be used to wear Lebron down or for some hard fouls that is a far cry from a primary defender-it is you who take those leaps ,you change could eclipse Crowder to would and with this years time frame which was not my words or worse totally misconstrued intentionally
-You fancy yourself as some board pessimist vigilante that demeans Brads quotes or other players that compliment semis defense.You are just waiting to jump on the tiniest crevice to bludgeon Semi or myself-you have stated "he sucks"no hustle ,not athletic-and negate anything positive
You interpreted a post thinking Jerebkos three point shooting could improve with him buying a mansion with indoor court and weight room-SO he could train all the time-YOU turned it into a neighbor built an outside court next door-
You attack any posts that are positive
-i use Brads quotes ,Horfords,Drew Hanlons Larry Brown
Now you try and discredit his combine results because he trained for the combine and team tryouts SO DID EVERYBODY except Fultz-Semi was known to be a big leaper in space and off two feet but his wingspan and standing reach are just average which effects his dunking in traffic but he has a quick 2nd bounce
You got some sort of fixation to the negative.I even started a separate post to lose you-but as you said "YOU WOULD CALL ME OUT"-vigilante,stalker whatever you fancy yourself to be-moderator this guy has a problem
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Stevens is giving Semi "defensive minutes" quite a few of them.
Semi is a rookie. His play at both ends is tentative. He takes a shot here and there, but shows little desire to make a play. He slashed to the rim the other night for the first time since I don't know when.
An occasional corner three attempt doesn't offer anyone an opportunity to evaluate this rookie. I think he's solid on defense, but Stevens thinks he's better than solid. He will put him on James, the Freak and other top forwards probably to show the confidence he has in the player.
Stevens is working with a lot of youth this year. I think that Semi might develop into a really good 6th or 7th best player on a good team. I also think that he might not. Year after next the contract will decide what the Celtics really think of Semi and doing little on offense on a team that is begging for baskets won't help him.
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I wonder what Beasley thinks about Semi's elite defense. So this is the guy some have suggested we throw on James during the playoffs? Yeah, that'll go amazingly well.
One thing that I have noticed is that he doesn't seem to adjust to the offensive player and always plays off the opponent at the sane distance on the perimeter. Last night he was switched on to Lee and gave him way too much space. Following a jab-step, Lee calmly drilled a basket on Semi.
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This is from C's blog and the numbers don't reflect the last 2 contests, which would bring the majority of those numbers down.
Boston is allowing 6.1 more points per 100 possessions when Ojeleye is on the floor.
Opponents are actually shooting 2.0 percent better than expected on shots that Ojeleye contests.
Ojeleye is averaging just 0.5 deflections, 0.3 steals, and 0.0 blocks per game. Such statistics aren’t perfect measurements, but they do tend to reflect a certain level of activity, particularly as a help defender.
What is of greater concern are Ojeleye’s offensive struggles. He’s shot the ball poorly, posting meager .325/.286/.632 splits. Boston’s offense has cratered in his minutes, scoring 98.6 points per 100 possessions, a full 12.8 points worse than when Ojeleye is on the bench.
The Celtics have a net rating of -8.4 points when he plays, 18.9 points worse than when he sits. It begs the dual questions of just how much time on the court Ojeleye should see, and what the team’s expectations should be for him when he plays?
Ironic how these are many of the points I've been harping upon for months and what I saw, and continue to observe, is being supported by data.
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I wonder what Beasley thinks about Semi's elite defense. So this is the guy some have suggested we throw on James during the playoffs? Yeah, that'll go amazingly well.
One thing that I have noticed is that he doesn't seem to adjust to the offensive player and always plays off the opponent at the sane distance on the perimeter. Last night he was switched on to Lee and gave him way too much space. Following a jab-step, Lee calmly drilled a basket on Semi.
The best that Courtney Lee could have been shooting at that time was a calm 1--8 or he could have been calmly 0-7.
He shot 2-9- for the game looks like a high percentage move as he was shooting poorly .
Beasley is a streaky volume scorer that got hot 2nd half-that was his second big game as he has played well while Porzingis was out.Nobody was stopping Beasley MVP last night
Put on Lebron to wear him down or some hard fouls.Obviously the primary job will be Marcus Morris Jaylen and Semi
.And thrown at seems appropriate.
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As Semi's minutes continue to diminish it's pretty clear that Stevens has lost faith in him. At this point, the best thing for him is to go down to the G-League and try to build some confidence against inferior competition. However, the problem is at the moment we have two other guys (Nader and Yabu) who aren't good enough for rotational minutes either. This is a big issue as we pretty much only have 10 players that Stevens trusts. Which is why any player missing becomes crippling and why we need to add quality roster depth with the extra roster spot and the DPE slot.
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As Semi's minutes continue to diminish it's pretty clear that Stevens has lost faith in him. At this point, the best thing for him is to go down to the G-League and try to build some confidence against inferior competition. However, the problem is at the moment we have two other guys (Nader and Yabu) who aren't good enough for rotational minutes either. This is a big issue as we pretty much only have 10 players that Stevens trusts. Which is why any player missing becomes crippling and why we need to add quality roster depth with the extra roster spot and the DPE slot.
I don't get it. He plays 3 minutes against Philly in spite of the fact that Brad calls him the best 1 to 5 defender on the team. Is Brad being coy? Trying not to discourage the kid?
Still, definitely agree they can't afford to send him down to the G-league.
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duplicate post, sorry
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This is from C's blog and the numbers don't reflect the last 2 contests, which would bring the majority of those numbers down.
Boston is allowing 6.1 more points per 100 possessions when Ojeleye is on the floor.
Opponents are actually shooting 2.0 percent better than expected on shots that Ojeleye contests.
Ojeleye is averaging just 0.5 deflections, 0.3 steals, and 0.0 blocks per game. Such statistics aren’t perfect measurements, but they do tend to reflect a certain level of activity, particularly as a help defender.
What is of greater concern are Ojeleye’s offensive struggles. He’s shot the ball poorly, posting meager .325/.286/.632 splits. Boston’s offense has cratered in his minutes, scoring 98.6 points per 100 possessions, a full 12.8 points worse than when Ojeleye is on the bench.
The Celtics have a net rating of -8.4 points when he plays, 18.9 points worse than when he sits. It begs the dual questions of just how much time on the court Ojeleye should see, and what the team’s expectations should be for him when he plays?
Ironic how these are many of the points I've been harping upon for months and what I saw, and continue to observe, is being supported by data.
98.6 per 100 Full 12.8 worse than when semi is on THE BENCH
Celtics have net rating of -8.4 18.9 points worse than when he SITS
SEEMS your saying everything is worse when he SITS- then it must be better when he plays.
Against Cleveland comeback he played 23 minutes and most of 4th
I would say his minutes may be a reflection of Morris being back and his offense
In late December he injured his back and his minutes started declining except for Cleveland but your now in Brads head and surmising he has lost confidence-could be Morris and his point production
Hey how is Crowder playing by the way!!!! and he is not a rookie
You love to eviscerate our rookies and end of bench-maybe we should have kept Green.
This a Brad quote from earlier this month"he is already close to being one of the best defenders in NBA"
"On defensive end i think he can be elite"
"I'm not sure he is far from that now"
AND my simple" he may eclipse Crowder" compared to your" he sucks" ,doesn't hustle non athletic comments-and you over ride combine stats because he trained for it -didn't everybody except Fultz,
This is a 2nd round pick getting minutes for one of the best teams with one of the best records-
It must infuriate you that Brad plays him against the best of the NBA
Even better he got an all star vote
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This is from C's blog and the numbers don't reflect the last 2 contests, which would bring the majority of those numbers down.
Boston is allowing 6.1 more points per 100 possessions when Ojeleye is on the floor.
Opponents are actually shooting 2.0 percent better than expected on shots that Ojeleye contests.
Ojeleye is averaging just 0.5 deflections, 0.3 steals, and 0.0 blocks per game. Such statistics aren’t perfect measurements, but they do tend to reflect a certain level of activity, particularly as a help defender.
What is of greater concern are Ojeleye’s offensive struggles. He’s shot the ball poorly, posting meager .325/.286/.632 splits. Boston’s offense has cratered in his minutes, scoring 98.6 points per 100 possessions, a full 12.8 points worse than when Ojeleye is on the bench.
The Celtics have a net rating of -8.4 points when he plays, 18.9 points worse than when he sits. It begs the dual questions of just how much time on the court Ojeleye should see, and what the team’s expectations should be for him when he plays?
Ironic how these are many of the points I've been harping upon for months and what I saw, and continue to observe, is being supported by data.
98.6 per 100 Full 12.8 worse than when semi is on THE BENCH
Celtics have net rating of -8.4 18.9 points worse than when he SITS
SEEMS your saying everything is worse when he SITS- then it must be better when he plays
Your reading comprehension is off. The numbers have changed since, but at the time of its posting they were a clear statistical representation of the lack of positive Semi impact has had.
To help you out....
98.6 is what the team scores when he's on the floor, which is 12.8 worse than when he's on the bench.
The net rating is 18.9 worse when he is in the game vs not.
How did all this confuse you? It's pretty self-explanatory.
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Semi's defense seems like it's mostly impressive to the degree that he is so absurdly strong that he can body up just about anybody and make himself very difficult to move, and quick enough to stay in front of them reasonably well. It's a useful skill for sure and can look great in highlights but everything aside from that has been a learning process.
He's shown a bit of promise here and there, even on offense, but he's very much not a positive contributor right now outside of that physical skillset.
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The guy is a bum. He hasn't scored a single point since December 23rd and over the last 51 minutes he's totaled the following:
Pts 0 (yes, zero)
Reb 5
Ast 1
Fouls 8
FGM 0
FGA 7
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The guy is a bum. He hasn't scored a single point since December 23rd and over the last 51 minutes he's totaled the following:
Pts 0 (yes, zero)
Reb 5
Ast 1
Fouls 8
FGM 0
FGA 7
The offense I can forgive. Its the lack of motor and contribution to other areas other than 1 on 1 defense that I am really p---ed off.
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He is terrible and is a waste of a roster spot. Send him to the [dang] G league for good.
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The guy is a bum. He hasn't scored a single point since December 23rd and over the last 51 minutes he's totaled the following:
Pts 0 (yes, zero)
Reb 5
Ast 1
Fouls 8
FGM 0
FGA 7
The offense I can forgive. Its the lack of motor and contribution to other areas other than 1 on 1 defense that I am really p---ed off.
His motor is awful. He plays with the intensity of a guy playing a pickup game on the weekend.
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The guy is a bum. He hasn't scored a single point since December 23rd and over the last 51 minutes he's totaled the following:
Pts 0 (yes, zero)
Reb 5
Ast 1
Fouls 8
FGM 0
FGA 7
Wow. Astonishing. Thanks for those stats!!
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I hope they cut his ass. He should not take a valuable roster spot next season.
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Semi's lack of motor on full display here. This is the stuff I'm talking about. All this talk about him being an athletic monster, well this the type of play where some hustle would've shown him pin that layup on the backboard. Instead, he actually slowed down while running back on defense! Inexcusable stuff from a rookie of all things.
5:48 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic8zOIE5QW0
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Celts should have drafted Bell
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Celts should have drafted Bell
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Semi has scored as many points as I have since Christmas
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Now shooting 28% from 3 on the season.
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i think he is sound asleep at the wheel.
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i think he is sound asleep at the wheel.
I don't think that he is even in the car.
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He's hitting the rookie wall.
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i think he is sound asleep at the wheel.
I don't think that he is even in the car.
lol
He's in a coma.
In all seriousness, though, I don't want him to be cut. I think he needs to go to the G-League for the rest of the year and try to give him a chance there. I remain dubious because the lack of hustle is so evident. That's something that you either have or don't. It's not something you can develop. Not to mention that it's hard to be successful offensively when your shooting, passing, and dribbling is so rudimentary.
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Trade him for Melo ...LOl
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Drew Hanlon was interviewed on Banners and is in constant contact with Tatum and management
but there was never a question about Semi.
Semi has to defend one through 5 thats a daunting task as a rookie .Also has to learn what works defensively so he isn't a foul magnet.
Often times he is tasked to guard some of the best of NBA and you know which way the fouls are going-
The Red Claws don't play defense-he be better off with some hands on work with Drew
Drew did say that Tatums progression as a 3 point shooter started at Duke-they had altered his shot before entering but when he injured ankle he reverted back to old habits -Drew worked with him and Tatum shot 38% following that tune up and he kept getting better. In tryouts he shot 80%
Ainge and Brad know what they are doing.
It looks to me like he is sticking to the ROOKIE script playing simple straight up defense while waiting for things to slow down.
He isn't forcing shots-like some players are
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The failure to hit a couple threes a game is nothing compared to turnovers ,poor shot selection and finishing ability by some.
Semi is the least of Brads worries-he is just a 2nd round rookie on a very good team and that TEAM is not performing well as a whole.
If Semi has a motor problem BRAD would know it.
Ainge would know it
Again he is just a rookie not a target or a scapegoat for personal agendas.
The guy has incredible work ethic and is smart and his combine showing does not lead to lacks motor.
nobody can minimize those three results with he trained for them
Everybody but Fultz did
-They call him the hulk and to have that vertical ,sprint and lane agility got him best athlete at combine
He is given Herculian task of guarding superstars and guarding 1 through 5 without fouling with superstars using every trick in book and getting all the calls-a daunting task for a rookie.
Brad states his defense is near elite-maybe he has hit the rookie wall on defense
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Combine athletic numbers have absolutely nothing to do with a player's motor.
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Drew Hanlon was interviewed on Banners and is in constant contact with Tatum and management
but there was never a question about Semi.
Semi has to defend one through 5 thats a daunting task as a rookie .Also has to learn what works defensively so he isn't a foul magnet.
Often times he is tasked to guard some of the best of NBA and you know which way the fouls are going-
The Red Claws don't play defense-he be better off with some hands on work with Drew
Drew did say that Tatums progression as a 3 point shooter started at Duke-they had altered his shot before entering but when he injured ankle he reverted back to old habits -Drew worked with him and Tatum shot 38% following that tune up and he kept getting better. In tryouts he shot 80%
Ainge and Brad know what they are doing.
It looks to me like he is sticking to the ROOKIE script playing simple straight up defense while waiting for things to slow down.
He isn't forcing shots-like some players are
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The failure to hit a couple threes a game is nothing compared to turnovers ,poor shot selection and finishing ability by some.
Semi is the least of Brads worries-he is just a 2nd round rookie on a very good team and that TEAM is not performing well as a whole.
If Semi has a motor problem BRAD would know it.
Ainge would know it
Again he is just a rookie not a target or a scapegoat for personal agendas.
The guy has incredible work ethic and is smart and his combine showing does not lead to lacks motor.
nobody can minimize those three results with he trained for them
Everybody but Fultz did
-They call him the hulk and to have that vertical ,sprint and lane agility got him best athlete at combine
He is given Herculian task of guarding superstars and guarding 1 through 5 without fouling with superstars using every trick in book and getting all the calls-a daunting task for a rookie.
Brad states his defense is near elite-maybe he has hit the rookie wall on defense
I dont think the lack of motor can only be seen by Brad or Ainge alone. Its been very very evident. Guys lack Smart often cannot score as well but still contribute to winning because they hustle. Semi does not.
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Combine athletic numbers have absolutely nothing to do with a player's motor.
Exactly. Rollie doesn't understand what's being criticized when his motor, or lack thereof, is brought up. Motor refers to hustle and multiple effort plays. Semi just doesn't play with any passion or energy at all and it's evident on the court. Hustle stats are often regarded as rebounds, steals, and blocks, and Semi's been bad at these numbers since college. Even though he played in a pretty weak conference.
As for the combine numbers. He's a finesse type player who's combine numbers, for one reason or another, don't translate on the court. So who really cares if a guy posts a 50 inch vert when he can't grab a rebound to save his life or block a shot (1 block in 546 minutes played)?
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Got to be someone more useful than Semi to occupy that roster spot.
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I'm going to change the name of the title for this thread, since it is really no longer about him starting to heat up, but about whether he's worthy of minutes/roster spot. - Redz
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Semi, I think will improve over the next two years. He just hasn't had that much time on the floor.
Now for the essential problem with Semi:
As of now he offers little to no offense on a second unit that offers little offense. If the bench was loaded with scorers, Semi would be a great addition. A defensive weapon...turn him loose on Lebron or the freak....Celtics can't score much and Semi can't score at all....yet.
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Combine athletic numbers have absolutely nothing to do with a player's motor.
Exactly. Rollie doesn't understand what's being criticized when his motor, or lack thereof, is brought up. Motor refers to hustle and multiple effort plays. Semi just doesn't play with any passion or energy at all and it's evident on the court. Hustle stats are often regarded as rebounds, steals, and blocks, and Semi's been bad at these numbers since college. Even though he played in a pretty weak conference.
As for the combine numbers. He's a finesse type player who's combine numbers, for one reason or another, don't translate on the court. So who really cares if a guy posts a 50 inch vert when he can't grab a rebound to save his life or block a shot (1 block in 546 minutes played)?
Semi's lack of motor on full display here. This is the stuff I'm talking about. All this talk about him being an athletic monster, well this the type of play where some hustle would've shown him pin that layup on the backboard. Instead, he actually slowed down while running back on defense! Inexcusable stuff from a rookie of all things.
5:48 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic8zOIE5QW0
If you notice Smart was on track and ahead and you know he loves to block those from behind-it looks like semi slowed enough to be in position for a miss-matter of fact Kyrie got knocked off with Marcus on line on track and with seniority-
'Semi is missing the NBA necessary length that effects steals ,blocks and closeouts-you missed his dive for loose ball and his hand down on sideline cross over that almost forced a turnover
-you can see the lack of length on closeout on Herngovez on a three
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Combine athletic numbers have absolutely nothing to do with a player's motor.
Exactly. Rollie doesn't understand what's being criticized when his motor, or lack thereof, is brought up. Motor refers to hustle and multiple effort plays. Semi just doesn't play with any passion or energy at all and it's evident on the court. Hustle stats are often regarded as rebounds, steals, and blocks, and Semi's been bad at these numbers since college. Even though he played in a pretty weak conference.
As for the combine numbers. He's a finesse type player who's combine numbers, for one reason or another, don't translate on the court. So who really cares if a guy posts a 50 inch vert when he can't grab a rebound to save his life or block a shot (1 block in 546 minutes played)?
Semi's lack of motor on full display here. This is the stuff I'm talking about. All this talk about him being an athletic monster, well this the type of play where some hustle would've shown him pin that layup on the backboard. Instead, he actually slowed down while running back on defense! Inexcusable stuff from a rookie of all things.
5:48 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic8zOIE5QW0
If you notice Smart was on track and ahead and you know he loves to block those from behind-it looks like semi slowed enough to be in position for a miss-matter of fact Kyrie got knocked off with Marcus on line on track and with seniority-
'Semi is missing the NBA necessary length that effects steals ,blocks and closeouts-you missed his dive for loose ball and his hand down on sideline cross over that almost forced a turnover
-you can see the lack of length on closeout on Herngovez on a three
So 1 dive for loose ball and suddenly he has good motor? What did Semi feed you that has got you covering your eyes to the very glaring fault that he has?
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Semi, I think will improve over the next two years. He just hasn't had that much time on the floor.
His gifts are obvious (not to everyone, apparently - though to the coaching staff), and he's a worker. Given those things, and the fact that they have found developmental court time for him, that he'll improve over the next two years is a pretty conservative projection.
As of now he offers little to no offense on a second unit that offers little offense. If the bench was loaded with scorers, Semi would be a great addition.
We could quibble about just what the "second unit" is, or even if it has any meaning, but you've got a point.
A defensive weapon...turn him loose on Lebron or the freak....
Or Spencer Dinwiddie, or Zinger, or Devin Booker...
People are buying into a weird idea that Semi lacks a motor, or doesn't hustle. This is ludicrous. Are they actually watching him play?! I'm not calling anyone out in particular - but if you're saying that, you really ought to consider how you're coming to your opinions, and whether your experience is enough to even warrant having an opinion about stuff like that.
I've been at this for a while, and I've found over some years now that the people with the most certainty are generally also the least knowledgable - perhaps you've heard of the Dunning-Krueger effect.
It's pretty normal to get attached to players irrationally, especially when you're a fan who's just starting out learning the game. I'm sympathetic to that. But I find it obnoxious, frankly, that people get attached to a player being bad. I guess that goes double when it's for players like Ojeleye who are the hardest workers.
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Semi, I think will improve over the next two years. He just hasn't had that much time on the floor.
It's pretty normal to get attached to players irrationally, especially when you're a fan who's just starting out learning the game.
I guess that's where you're at if you think Semi is any good.
I will add this, if you really think Semi is putting up these numbers and is playing hard, then that's even more of an indictment of his low skill level.
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Semi, I think will improve over the next two years. He just hasn't had that much time on the floor.
It's pretty normal to get attached to players irrationally, especially when you're a fan who's just starting out learning the game.
I guess that's where you're at if you think Semi is any good.
I will add this, if you really think Semi is putting up these numbers and is playing hard, then that's even more of an indictment of his low skill level.
Well, you certainly sound sure of yourself.
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Ojeleye seems to be a solid defender and he's always been solid 3 point shooter in college. So what gives? I'm just as perplexed as most people are to be honest.
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Semi has the potential to be an insane defensively player because of his one on one ability. He slides his feet so well and he possesses superhuman strength. Great for modern nba defense because he allows you to easily switch pick and rolls. That alone will make him a valuable player.
Now.... to the other parts of his game. At this moment he is pretty awful at everything else and doesn’t give good effort. I don’t care if he is ever a great passer, ball handler, or rebounder but he has to be able to hit his wide open threes. If he can do that, be as excellent as I think he can be playing individual defense, and starts playing a tad harder, he can be a valuable rotation piece.
As someone brilliantly mentioned earlier, he would be a lot more valuable if we actually had a decent scorer off of the bench. Hopefully that is addressed soon and Semi makes the necessary improvements. Going forward, I do believe that Semi can be a guy who plays 24 minutes a game for a good team (which we will be for the next 6 years at least).
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Ojeleye seems to be a solid defender and he's always been solid 3 point shooter in college. So what gives? I'm just as perplexed as most people are to be honest.
Rookie wall, and he hit it early. Tatum seems to be hitting it now, too albeit not as bad.
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Chuckle.
This thread brings back fond memories of the wild hyperbole on this board that surrounded the great Brandon Hunter when he joined the Celtics.
Death, taxes and every young player in green is going to be absolutely great.
In the meantime, give me Semi's roster spot for a shooter.
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Ojeleye seems to be a solid defender and he's always been solid 3 point shooter in college. So what gives? I'm just as perplexed as most people are to be honest.
Rookie wall, and he hit it early. Tatum seems to be hitting it now, too albeit not as bad.
Tatum I can buy, but Semi? Semi has only played 546 minutes this season compared to 1195 minutes last season at SMU. The reality is that it's the level of competition/Semi not being that good is the likely culprit here.
Looking back at his history, he was a very good high school player (usually a place where most physically dominant players flourish), but then went to Duke and struggled badly. He was firmly on the bench and averaged 1.6 PPG his first season and 3.0 PPG the next. He also shot pretty poor from 3 (considering the shorter distance of the college line) at 34%. The ACC proved too much for him, so instead Semi redshirted and went to SMU. There, as a 4th year Junior, he thrived playing against weaker competition. However, the NBA is a different level entirely and his lack of actual basketball skills (shooting, passing, dribbling) is on display nightly and now Semi can't physically dominant players like he could in a weaker college conference.
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Ojeleye seems to be a solid defender and he's always been solid 3 point shooter in college. So what gives? I'm just as perplexed as most people are to be honest.
He's a rookie. The NBA is a lot bigger and a lot faster than any league he's ever played in before. I bet he still makes a lot of 3's in practice. He's having trouble adjusting. Hopefully with a year of experience under his belt, he'll be able to catch up and be a reliable 3-and-D guy for the rest of his career.
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12 pages & going on an end of bench guy.
Only on Celtics Blog.
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12 pages & going on an end of bench guy.
Only on Celtics Blog.
Every player matters. ;)
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12 pages & going on an end of bench guy.
Only on Celtics Blog.
Who hasn't contributed a thing.
Only on Celtics Blog.
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12 pages & going on an end of bench guy.
Only on Celtics Blog.
Who a couple of members have grossly overrated.
Hopefully last night's DNP-CD is the first of many.
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The other night Ojeleye came out with aggression and picked up 4 fouls in record time.Its ironic i had posted about the daunting task of guarding some of the superstars and the difficulty of aggressive play and having the refs go whistle happy just days ago- the stars get preferential treatment and play the crowd.
Now this becomes even more difficult as you guard multiple players while trying to learn what you can and can't do
.The other day a poster claimed Semi had motor problems and used a play during La game where after a steal LA was on break that easily pushed Kyrie aside but Marcus who loves to block from behind was tracking and flying in-what i saw was Semi slowing a bit a deferring to Marcus while putting himself in position for a followup rebound if there was a miss.
Semi settled down after those fouls and was praised for his defense and he hit two threes and scored at rim.
It is still my belief that semi gets lost on defense but what rookie doesn't,learning defensive sets while guarding multiple position on the fly and getting no favors from refs.
Marcus Smart was known for aggressive defense coming up in NBA system,i believe the refs were aware and allowed Marcus to play hard-the celtics were in rebuild then and it was -SO WHAT.
Marcus developed his style and it is accepted and promoted -as a defensive star.
I saw Semi get real lost and i saw some real flashes of his quickness and they were wow -off ball and unnoticed.
This kid can shoot and he is being told to shoot those wide open good shots
It is part of developing for one of the best teams in league.His couple of missed three's doesn't cause losses
It is turnovers by our guards ,missed finishes at rim,ego passing and poor shot selection,missed foul shots.
Some rookies get protected as they are the leagues up and coming stars-some get rookies calls and phantom fouls inconsistent refs or just drawn by long time superstars.
The quotes i posted in past came from Brad and Horford and i know he can shoot from Hoops House to summer league and even college
Shooting is repetition and Semi is a tireless worker-the more time he gets now till playoffs is a luxury
.The game is real fast for any rookie not named Jayson
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Um, a rookie getting quick fouls against tough covers is probably not a ref issue. He's a rookie guarding great, experienced players. THAT is the MOST likely reason he picks up fouls.
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The LA game the other day was one of the worst refereed games I have ever seen.
Randle walked every time he touched the ball, and there were no calls.
Did they think he was Lebron?
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"Now this becomes more difficult guarding multiple players and positions as your learning what you can and can't do."
"or just drawn by longtime superstars"
This was included along with phantom calls,rookie calls and inconsistent referees
All of this would create a tentative player attempting to play straight up defense -not foul,not let his teammates down and not embarrass himself.
I would love to see him attack on defense or exude Marcus aggression but i feel the whistles would never be kind -maybe in playoff mode or next season.
Just look at the list of all stars and how many have semi guarded.
I was only using those quick whistles as to the difficulty of playing aggressive versus a sort of tentative defense using his base and strength and imagine the chaos of emotions going on in a rookies head
The crowd,superstars that you watched on TV and now i'm guarding them.
Studying film is great but hands on experience and mistakes is the only way to learn.Not the g league like some have posted.
And that is just the defensive end
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The rookies are definitely getting jobbed by the refs! But that has been happening for years in this league. What I found interesting was when Tatum got a tech for waving his arm after the ref called a questionable foul on him. He didn't say a word but just made the gesture. Then, you see Draymond Green's histrionics and he never gets T'd up.
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I think Celtics fans are being huge whiners lately about the refs. I constantly see it around here. The team is not drawing fouls because they don't go to the rim and play physically on offense and , a couple of bad games aside as you will find night to night in the NBA with certain refs, the foul issues are not some conspiracy.
The only thing I would say is personally I think Kyrie gets fouled going to the rim more than he gets called (which is not the case for most stars). I think it's because he has such great body control in part and can always get off shots even if he's getting hit or pushed.
Semi can foul a lot, Baynes can, Smart can. Happens.
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I think Celtics fans are being huge whiners lately about the refs. I constantly see it around here. The team is not drawing fouls because they don't go to the rim and play physically on offense and , a couple of bad games aside as you will find night to night in the NBA with certain refs, the foul issues are not some conspiracy.
The only thing I would say is personally I think Kyrie gets fouled going to the rim more than he gets called (which is not the case for most stars). I think it's because he has such great body control in part and can always get off shots even if he's getting hit or pushed.
Semi can foul a lot, Baynes can, Smart can. Happens.
Yeah, definitely whining by the OP. The OP never seems to blame Semi for his play. No, instead it's the refs fault, the system, teammates, etc. It's always someone or something other than the player himself. Pretty funny stuff.
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1)It is well known that give rookies get little lattitude on incidental defensive contact
2)It is well known stars get calls and are the whiners
3)Even lumbered with those fouls his defensive rating was 83.4 second only to Rozier
4) name another 6-7 rookie that can guard 1-5 or that is tasked to guard the players opposing teams all stars
5)You disparage direct quotes of Brads and Horfords
6)Semi is a rookie learning multiple defensive sets of multiple players
Film never prepares like experience
7)the game is still fast for Semi as it should be-he sometimes gets tentative
8)He is a rookie playing for best defense in league and learning on the fly.
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1)It is well known that give rookies get little lattitude on incidental defensive contact
2)It is well known stars get calls and are the whiners
3)Even lumbered with those fouls his defensive rating was 83.4 second only to Rozier
4) name another 6-7 rookie that can guard 1-5 or that is tasked to guard the players opposing teams all stars
5)You disparage direct quotes of Brads and Horfords
6)Semi is a rookie learning multiple defensive sets of multiple players
Film never prepares like experience
7)the game is still fast for Semi as it should be-he sometimes gets tentative
8)He is a rookie playing for best defense in league and learning on the fly.
1. True
2. Not all stars are whiners, but they do get calls.
3. False. You must be looking at offensive rating because his defensive rating is 105, which is tied with Larkin and Yabusele as the worst on the team.
4. None, but that includes Semi. He's not the defender you constantly proclaim him to be. He can't cover 5's and isn't quick enough to cover most 1's or 2's. He was completely torched by Beasley and Stevens lacked so much confidence in him that he didn't put him on Kuzma during the 4Q of the Lakers loss.
5. I love Stevens, but he's also the same guy that had James Young in his top 10 draft board and thought Demetrius Jackson and Ben Bentil would be drafted much higher. Again, it's coach speak and classic Brad. Unless, of course you have ever heard Brad say anything negative about a specific player.
6. "Film never prepares like experience" is a pretty funny and hypocritical statement since you constantly say that Ben Simmons is not a true rookie because he was on the team for 1 year.
7. Yes, it's very fast for him and he does look extremely tentative.
8. Yes, he's a rookie, but he's an older rookie (23) at that. Plus, him playing as a rookie and playing for the best defensive team in the league can also be said about a few other Celtics. Most of which have contributed much more than Semi.
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1)It is well known that give rookies get little lattitude on incidental defensive contact
2)It is well known stars get calls and are the whiners
3)Even lumbered with those fouls his defensive rating was 83.4 second only to Rozier
4) name another 6-7 rookie that can guard 1-5 or that is tasked to guard the players opposing teams all stars
5)You disparage direct quotes of Brads and Horfords
6)Semi is a rookie learning multiple defensive sets of multiple players
Film never prepares like experience
7)the game is still fast for Semi as it should be-he sometimes gets tentative
8)He is a rookie playing for best defense in league and learning on the fly.
1. True
2. Not all stars are whiners, but they do get calls.
3. False. You must be looking at offensive rating because his defensive rating is 105, which is tied with Larkin and Yabusele as the worst on the team.
4. None, but that includes Semi. He's not the defender you constantly proclaim him to be. He can't cover 5's and isn't quick enough to cover most 1's or 2's. He was completely torched by Beasley and Stevens lacked so much confidence in him that he didn't put him on Kuzma during the 4Q of the Lakers loss.
5. I love Stevens, but he's also the same guy that had James Young in his top 10 draft board and thought Demetrius Jackson and Ben Bentil would be drafted much higher. Again, it's coach speak and classic Brad. Unless, of course you have ever heard Brad say anything negative about a specific player.
6. "Film never prepares like experience" is a pretty funny and hypocritical statement since you constantly say that Ben Simmons is not a true rookie because he was on the team for 1 year.
7. Yes, it's very fast for him and he does look extremely tentative.
8. Yes, he's a rookie, but he's an older rookie (23) at that. Plus, him playing as a rookie and playing for the best defensive team in the league can also be said about a few other Celtics. Most of which have contributed much more than Semi.
3) TRUE-"even lumbered with those fouls his defensive rating 83.4 2nd to Rozier"---that was for Clippers game is there something wrong with your reading comprehension
6")Film never prepares like experience" and was not hypocritical because Simmons was on team for a year. Simmons spent a solid year watching film and even was making interactive calls to bench during games, He was immersed in NBA lifestyle, travel ,familiar with teammates ,spend quite a bit of time in weight room and watching from bench live games both home and away.
4)Semi can guard 1-5 in a switching defense but is not always successful
Beasley is streaky and was hot.Brad said" he wished he had used him on Booker"-did you see him defending Jordan and Blake.
.I remember when Semi switched onto a quick point guard and his lateral and strength kept the guard from turning corner.It was quite impressive.
9)The game is fast for most rookies,having to guard multiple positions is challenging
while inconsistent lineups adds to this.The fact that semi has been used in 4th quarters and even almost full 4th quarters speaks volumes.Inconsistency is a rookie trait
10)Semi can shoot and it is my belief that he will start hitting his open threes the 2nd half of season and that there is so much going that it has effected his shooting.
11) semi is inhibited from playing too aggressive defense and using his strength by inexperience and speed of game that most rookies have.He is often tasked with guarding stars who get preferential calls which makes him tentative the use of hands, holding and grabbing is so different than college and pro techniques can be subtle and illusive as refs play a large part in what you can and can't get away with.
Shall i remind you of your post" Semi sucks"-you have minimized his athleticism with "he trained for it" stated that it did not transfer to court-well he is playing and tasked some important near impossible defensive assignments for a rookie
Semi is a rookie learning to play NBA defense for the top defense in league and this all started with the sentence" that Semi might eclipse Crowder" and at this moment Crowder has played his way to the bench and is in conflict with Love.
In your attempt to deflect and minimize Brads praise of Semi -you throw out James "no defense" Young,Then on to Jackson and Bentil and Brad thinking they should have been drafted earlier.
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Some players just seem to be lightning rods.
Many here will remember Antoine Walker (whose nickname "Employee #8" is one of the all-time greats); that he attracted all sorts of passion, both positive and negative, was not too surprising: he was talkative and had swagger, had the ball in his hands a lot and took and missed a lot of Boston's shots.
But Semi Ojeleye? Go figure.
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But Semi Ojeleye? Go figure.
I don't see what is possibly arguable with him though as far as offense. He has been absolutely bad there and there's no debate. He hardly steps off the 3 point line and he's now shooting 29 percent.
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But Semi Ojeleye? Go figure.
I don't see what is possibly arguable with him though as far as offense. He has been absolutely bad there and there's no debate. He hardly steps off the 3 point line and he's now shooting 29 percent.
He's a disaster offensively. Yesterday he even airballed a layup. He does nothing even close to average on offense. He doesn't even move well without the ball, which is something Bradley excelled at when his offense was still a liability. To makes matters worse, Semi doesn't know his limitations like a Roberson does. No, unfortunately for us Semi seems more than willing to shoot brick after brick.
Shooting 31% from the field, 29% from 3's, and 61% from FT's is pretty hard to do. However, Semi is making it look really easy.
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But Semi Ojeleye? Go figure.
I don't see what is possibly arguable with him though as far as offense. He has been absolutely bad there and there's no debate. He hardly steps off the 3 point line and he's now shooting 29 percent.
He's a disaster offensively. Yesterday he even airballed a layup. He does nothing even close to average on offense. He doesn't even move well without the ball, which is something Bradley excelled at when his offense was still a liability. To makes matters worse, Semi doesn't know his limitations like a Roberson does. No, unfortunately for us Semi seems more than willing to shoot brick after brick.
Shooting 31% from the field, 29% from 3's, and 61% from FT's is pretty hard to do. However, Semi is making it look really easy.
well, in the there-may-still-be-hope department, in his rookie year, crowder's shooting stats in 18 mpg were:
2 pt% = 38
3 pt% = 33
FT% = 64
not quite as poor as semi, but within barking distance.
plus, in 58 games in college, semi shot:
2 pt% = 48
3 pt% = 41.5
FT% = 78.5
yes, he is p--- poor so far. but i am not yet convinced that he cannot become a decent nba shooter as well as a good defender.
let's do something radical and virutally unheard of on cb, let's be patient, reserve final judgements, and revisit this in a year.
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But Semi Ojeleye? Go figure.
I don't see what is possibly arguable with him though as far as offense. He has been absolutely bad there and there's no debate. He hardly steps off the 3 point line and he's now shooting 29 percent.
He's a disaster offensively. Yesterday he even airballed a layup. He does nothing even close to average on offense. He doesn't even move well without the ball, which is something Bradley excelled at when his offense was still a liability. To makes matters worse, Semi doesn't know his limitations like a Roberson does. No, unfortunately for us Semi seems more than willing to shoot brick after brick.
Shooting 31% from the field, 29% from 3's, and 61% from FT's is pretty hard to do. However, Semi is making it look really easy.
plus, in 58 games in college, semi shot:
2 pt% = 48
3 pt% = 41.5
FT% = 78.5
Those numbers are skewed as he had success in a weak conference. That said, while at Duke and playing in the ACC he posted the following:
2 pt% = 37.5
3 pt% = 34.8
FT% = 77.8
So basically the only time he has been successful offensively since 2013 was as a 4th year junior playing in a weak conference.
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Definite trade candidate or throw in...
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Definite trade candidate or throw in...
Trade candidate, maybe. Throw-in, less likely.
They’ve got him signed at ridiculous money for four years. He’s played rotation minutes from the jump, with no time in the G-League (compare, for example, to Terry Rozier III). They’re developing him as a stopper, so he’s got a skill that he can hang his hat on. He’s got big upside, and the risk in being patient with him is tiny.
Someone has to be the 8th, 9th, 10th man; in the next four years Boston has to come to terms with its stars, so the bottom rungs of the rotation need to be occupied by guys who can play and who don’t cost much.
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Definite trade candidate or throw in...
Trade candidate, maybe. Throw-in, less likely.
They’ve got him signed at ridiculous money for four years. He’s played rotation minutes from the jump, with no time in the G-League (compare, for example, to Terry Rozier III). They’re developing him as a stopper, so he’s got a skill that he can hang his hat on. He’s got big upside, and the risk in being patient with him is tiny.
To the 3 bolded parts -
1. He's played minutes out of sheer necessity. However, not surprisingly his minutes have been reduced to 8.2 MPG in January, which coincides with Morris' minutes restriction being lifted. Once Hayward returns and/or we add another quality 3/4 he'll get 0 minutes.
2. Rozier and Semi (and Smart) are the same age now, so bringing up Rozier playing in the G-League at such a young age is pointless. This also speaks as to how behind Semi is as a player from being a true rotational player.
3. "Big upside" is completely laughable. Hard to add anything to that except to wonder if you are you actually watching the games and/or if you know the guy on a personal level.
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3 words come to mind when I think of Semi....He...Can't...Shoot
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His lack of confidence makes KO seem assertive.
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Last night he looked absolutely lost out there.
Passed up open shots, bricked the ones he took, air-balled a layup I think, and on the defensive end didn't really help too much either.
Still think he becomes a solid rotation player in the future for us, but for now it will be a process. Patience is key.
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Last night he looked absolutely lost out there.
Passed up open shots, bricked the ones he took, air-balled a layup I think, and on the defensive end didn't really help too much either.
Still think he becomes a solid rotation player in the future for us, but for now it will be a process. Patience is key.
Funny that people can be patient with Semi but not with Yabu who happens to be younger and higher ceiling with lesser experience.
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He's a LeBron stopper. I'll be patient with his offense.
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He's a LeBron stopper. I'll be patient with his offense.
Yeah......no he is not. Kawhi Leonard is not a Lebron stopper. No one stops Lebron but Lebron.
Let's not go crazy because Stevens has put Semi on a few stars for a couple minutes in one game. Semi has potential but until he's on the floor for 30 minutes shutting down a star, let's not call him a stopper just yet.
Heck, he might not even be an NBA player just yet, nevermind a superstar stopper.
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He's a LeBron stopper. I'll be patient with his offense.
He's the Celtics stopper.
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He's a LeBron stopper. I'll be patient with his offense.
He's the Celtics stopper.
Sounds about right. Can’t wait to replace Semi’s minutes with Hayward lol
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He's a LeBron stopper. I'll be patient with his offense.
There is no Lebron stopper in the league. When he wants to score, he does and nothing the current Celtics devise to slow him down works. Semi does a decent job staying in front of him and he has 6 fouls to give but that's about it. Offensively you're playing 4 on 5 when he's on the court.
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Just a shout out to Semi for last night.
A critical three, then drawing an offensive foul, and getting a key rebound all in crunch time.
Good job!
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Just a shout out to Semi for last night.
A critical three, then drawing an offensive foul, and getting a key rebound all in crunch time.
Good job!
Only blemish was the phantom foul called on him that almost lost the C's the game. Terrible call.
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Just a shout out to Semi for last night.
A critical three, then drawing an offensive foul, and getting a key rebound all in crunch time.
Good job!
Only blemish was the phantom foul called on him that almost lost the C's the game. Terrible call.
Not only was it a phantom foul it should have been an offensive foul as Lillard clearly warded off Semi with his left hand. At worst it should have been a no call. The fact that they game him an "and one" on a play that was clearly an offensive foul is beyond me.
https://youtu.be/cX91NYsk2mM?t=536
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Plus the fact that he played effective man to man defense on at least three different positions. It is incredible how well he moves his feet laterally on defense.
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Plus the fact that he played effective man to man defense on at least three different positions. It is incredible how well he moves his feet laterally on defense.
I am very impressed with his D. Drafting sure has been better since CBS has had imput.
I think Semi play makes Smart even more expendable if he gets a big offer.
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I like Semi. He has the potential to be a nice bench player, your 3-and-D type.
I like that he’s not afraid to let the 3 fly. He’s not hitting it like he could but he takes the shot when it’s there. His defense is getting better and can be great once he figures out the NBA pace.
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I really enjoy his defense, but he need to figure out how to play on offense. There's more than a 3 point line man and thank god that's the case if you can't even shoot 30%.
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He has a ways to go, but maybe by next year (with more confidence/experience), he can become our next 3-and-D version of Crowder, coming off the bench.
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Of the scrubs that are currently 80% of our second unit, he's the only one showing glimpses of being a functional NBA player. Regardless, he has no business being any higher than being the 10th or 11th guy in the rotation right now.
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I will be interested to see what a NBA offseason does for him and his shot. Is he Marcus Smart or will be become Jae Crowder efficient. He definitely can play D though.
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I really enjoy his defense, but he need to figure out how to play on offense. There's more than a 3 point line man and thank god that's the case if you can't even shoot 30%.
You're right, but I think he hit a nice foul-line extended J at some point.
I noted it because I feel as you do that the O has to be at least occasionally from midrange and in, so I was happy he hit it I'm thinking he also had a put-back, but not sure of that one.
And I agree with others that Dame pushed off, but two things:
1. The rook will almost never get that call, especially when there looked like contact(Semi's elbow grazing Lillard's head, enough to move his head) albeit after the push off.
2. With a foul to give, Brown or Horford should've fouled Lillard before he got into the paint.
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I will be interested to see what a NBA offseason does for him and his shot. Is he Marcus Smart or will be become Jae Crowder efficient. He definitely can play D though.
Yeah, he played good defense yesterday, and early on in the season he had spurts where he guarded the likes of Greek Freak, Lebron, etc., and actually did well.
If he can hit the threes with a little more confidence/success, he can definitely be an efficient version of Crowder off the bench.
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Semi will likely never be playing down the stretch again. We were literally missing two all-stars (Kyrie, Hayward), three major rotational pieces (Smart, Morris, Monroe), and another player in Larkin who is probably ahead of him in the rotation.
I think he did a nice job and agree that the foul call on Lillard was pretty iffy, but that play almost lost us the game. Players need to read the situation and either let the easy lay-up go or give an all-out foul. Semi is a rookie and Lillard is a star - Semi isn't getting the benefit of any doubt for a while.
Anyway, thank goodness for Horford and good to Semi not crumble in a big moment.
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I really enjoy his defense, but he need to figure out how to play on offense. There's more than a 3 point line man and thank god that's the case if you can't even shoot 30%.
I noted it because I feel as you do that the O has to be at least occasionally from midrange and in, so I was happy he hit it I'm thinking he also had a put-back, but not sure of that one.
1. The rook will almost never get that call, especially when there looked like contact(Semi's elbow grazing Lillard's head, enough to move his head) albeit after the push off.
For me, the man is too big and athletic to not mix it up in the paint. I don't see how or why he won't crash the glass some for example. Or yes, a midrange shot isn't so bad. Or drive and try to kick some. Anything else at all.
On that call, I think he swiped towards Lillards head and maybe only brushed it but that alone is enough for the call in full speed game action (and this year particularly they are going all in on any head contact as a foul). He shouldn't have attempted to go for the ball and just go straight up. But, mostly I was quite happy with his defense.
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I really enjoy his defense, but he need to figure out how to play on offense. There's more than a 3 point line man and thank god that's the case if you can't even shoot 30%.
I noted it because I feel as you do that the O has to be at least occasionally from midrange and in, so I was happy he hit it I'm thinking he also had a put-back, but not sure of that one.
1. The rook will almost never get that call, especially when there looked like contact(Semi's elbow grazing Lillard's head, enough to move his head) albeit after the push off.
For me, the man is too big and athletic to not mix it up in the paint. I don't see how or why he won't crash the glass some for example. Or yes, a midrange shot isn't so bad. Or drive and try to kick some. Anything else at all.
On that call, I think he swiped towards Lillards head and maybe the ref thinks he only brushed it without actually seeing it but that alone is enough for the call in full speed game action (and this year particularly they are going all in on any head contact as a foul). He shouldn't have attempted to go for the ball and just go straight up. But, mostly I was quite happy with his defense.
I fixed it for you (bolded) and Lillard CLEARLY pushed off with the left hand which is an offensive foul.
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Semi made some key contributions no doubt, but I'm still not a believer in him as an NBA rotation player. His ceiling, as far as I am concerned, is end of the bench defensive sub. I expect that when Kyrie, Morris, and Smart are back and Monroe is signed Semi will see his time dwindle to practically nothing.
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His handles and mid range game are even worse than his 3 point shooting. The least damage he can do is to sit in the corner and try to hit open 3's. Baby steps, work on the 3 point shot, then start trying to do something off that.
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His handles and mid range game are even worse than his 3 point shooting. The least damage he can do is to sit in the corner and try to hit open 3's.
He can't rebound? We all learned how to do that in 2nd grade CYO ball. He can figure out how to do more than fire 3's up when he shoots less than 30% or he probably won't be in the NBA much longer. That's bad offense.
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I really enjoy his defense, but he need to figure out how to play on offense. There's more than a 3 point line man and thank god that's the case if you can't even shoot 30%.
I noted it because I feel as you do that the O has to be at least occasionally from midrange and in, so I was happy he hit it I'm thinking he also had a put-back, but not sure of that one.
1. The rook will almost never get that call, especially when there looked like contact(Semi's elbow grazing Lillard's head, enough to move his head) albeit after the push off.
For me, the man is too big and athletic to not mix it up in the paint. I don't see how or why he won't crash the glass some for example. Or yes, a midrange shot isn't so bad. Or drive and try to kick some. Anything else at all.
On that call, I think he swiped towards Lillards head and maybe the ref thinks he only brushed it without actually seeing it but that alone is enough for the call in full speed game action (and this year particularly they are going all in on any head contact as a foul). He shouldn't have attempted to go for the ball and just go straight up. But, mostly I was quite happy with his defense.
I fixed it for you (bolded) and Lillard CLEARLY pushed off with the left hand which is an offensive foul.
LOL. You think he pushed off on this play where he was never even near Semi long enough to extend his arm and actually push off? He was already off his feet.
https://youtu.be/PD6dAHugYBs?t=1m41s
That's some top level whining. A lot of whining around here about refs so no surprise.
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So you can see him fouling Lillard but your blinders don't allow you to see the clear push off with the left hand? It's right there on the video. Look at it again.
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So you can see him fouling Lillard but your blinders don't allow you to see the clear push off with the left hand? It's right there on the video. Look at it again.
You think he had time to push off of him in mid air when he was already past him? That's some Neo type moves man.
I didn't think it was really a foul on Semi but any swipe at anyone's head gets called his year. That's how it is. Don't swipe at someone's head and go straight up.
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So you can see him fouling Lillard but your blinders don't allow you to see the clear push off with the left hand? It's right there on the video. Look at it again.
You think he had time to push off of him in mid air when he was already past him? That's some Neo type moves man.
No I don't think he did I know he did. Check the video man. Like I originally said is at worst it should have been no call. There is no way he deserved a foul shot on that play for the lead. It was a "guess" on the part of the ref.
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So you can see him fouling Lillard but your blinders don't allow you to see the clear push off with the left hand? It's right there on the video. Look at it again.
You think he had time to push off of him in mid air when he was already past him? That's some Neo type moves man.
No I don't think he did I know he did. Check the video man.
LOL the green goggles my man. When he touches Semi he's been off his feet for second, the ball is already at the end of his finger tips and being released. Keep whining. That's not how physics work.
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So you can see him fouling Lillard but your blinders don't allow you to see the clear push off with the left hand? It's right there on the video. Look at it again.
You think he had time to push off of him in mid air when he was already past him? That's some Neo type moves man.
No I don't think he did I know he did. Check the video man.
LOL the green goggles my man. When he touches Semi he's been off his feet for second, the ball is already at the end of his finger tips and being released. Keep whining. That's not how physics work.
It doesn't matter if he was in front of Semi or beside him, he clearly puts his forearm/hand on Semi's chest to shield/push off.
Was it an offensive foul? No. But to say he didn't use his forearm against Semi is just blind on your part. Like you're trying to prove a point no matter what the evidence shows.
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So you can see him fouling Lillard but your blinders don't allow you to see the clear push off with the left hand? It's right there on the video. Look at it again.
You think he had time to push off of him in mid air when he was already past him? That's some Neo type moves man.
No I don't think he did I know he did. Check the video man.
LOL the green goggles my man. When he touches Semi he's been off his feet for second, the ball is already at the end of his finger tips and being released. Keep whining. That's not how physics work.
It doesn't matter if he was in front of Semi or beside him, he clearly puts his forearm/hand on Semi's chest to shield/push off.
Was it an offensive foul? No. But to say he didn't use his forearm against Semi is just blind on your part. Like you're trying to prove a point no matter what the evidence shows.
TP for a man with vision!
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Semi has been up and down, as you would expect a rookie to be. But I've been impressed with his defense, especially his ability to switch and disrupt passing lanes.
So long as he's hitting a decent % of spot-up threes and putting himself in the right places off-ball, he's a good guy to have around.
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Experience and confidence be patient. This has potential but its not happening next week...
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I think Semi will turn himself into a good, versatile defender who can hit catch and shoot 3s at a decent rate. He will be awful at everything else.
That's fine.
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So you can see him fouling Lillard but your blinders don't allow you to see the clear push off with the left hand? It's right there on the video. Look at it again.
You think he had time to push off of him in mid air when he was already past him? That's some Neo type moves man.
I didn't think it was really a foul on Semi but any swipe at anyone's head gets called his year. That's how it is. Don't swipe at someone's head and go straight up.
this is not a question of deduction. it is simply a case of watching the replay on the video you provided. in the slow motion replay it is very clear that lillard puts his left arm into the midsection of semi and pushes him away.
i do not understand why you can not see that very clear action in the video.
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Here's the deal on Semi, from someone who's got no skin in this game:
Dude plays great defense for a rookie. Can switch and guard multiple positions, including occasionally the other team's 5.
Dude has been really weak shooting 3's. To the point where it takes us out of games.
Dude shot 3's at a good clip in college, so there is hope his 3 point FG % will improve. If he starts hitting at a high 30's, low 40% clip, he's due for a nice contract, and would not be at all surprised to see Danny sign him to a long term deal like he did with Crowder. But if he does not improve his 3 point shooting by the end of next season, he will be gone.
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Here's the deal on Semi, from someone who's got no skin in this game:
Dude plays great defense for a rookie. Can switch and guard multiple positions, including occasionally the other team's 5.
Dude has been really weak shooting 3's. To the point where it takes us out of games.
Dude shot 3's at a good clip in college, so there is hope his 3 point FG % will improve. If he starts hitting at a high 30's, low 40% clip, he's due for a nice contract, and would not be at all surprised to see Danny sign him to a long term deal like he did with Crowder. But if he does not improve his 3 point shooting by the end of next season, he will be gone.
Disagree about the bolded. He’s a good enough defender to far outweigh his shooting issues. He takes 2 attempts per game. Even in the last 10 days with more playing time it’s only 3 attempts per game. With the Celtics almost certainly in the luxury tax by the time 2019 rolls around, a flawed but useful player on a minimum contract is someone you absolutely keep. Especially since the team has no other second-round picks to replace him with — the odds of finding someone on minimum contract who’s as useful as Semi is even shooting 30% from 3 aren’t that high.
Given the Celtics salary situation, I would be surprised to see Semi released after year 2. I would also be surprised at an extension or for him to be sent to restricted free agency (by the declining of his option in year 4) even if his shooting does improve. Ultimately he’s a role player, and one who provides the most value to the team on his current deal.
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L2M report sides with Semi. He did not foul Lillard.
http://official.nba.com/last-two-minute-report/
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L2M report sides with Semi. He did not foul Lillard.
http://official.nba.com/last-two-minute-report/
Thanks. TP. Here is the actual link:
http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/02/L2M-POR-BOS-02-04-2018.pdf (http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/02/L2M-POR-BOS-02-04-2018.pdf)
This is the description:
Ojeleye (BOS) is in a legal guarding position and jumps vertically contesting Lillard's (POR) driving shot attempt. The contact is initiated by Lillard.
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L2M report sides with Semi. He did not foul Lillard.
http://official.nba.com/last-two-minute-report/
Thanks. TP. Here is the actual link:
http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/02/L2M-POR-BOS-02-04-2018.pdf (http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/02/L2M-POR-BOS-02-04-2018.pdf)
This is the description:
Ojeleye (BOS) is in a legal guarding position and jumps vertically contesting Lillard's (POR) driving shot attempt. The contact is initiated by Lillard.
Tp right back at you! Thanks for posting the actual link.
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L2M report sides with Semi. He did not foul Lillard.
http://official.nba.com/last-two-minute-report/
Thanks. TP. Here is the actual link:
http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/02/L2M-POR-BOS-02-04-2018.pdf (http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/02/L2M-POR-BOS-02-04-2018.pdf)
This is the description:
Ojeleye (BOS) is in a legal guarding position and jumps vertically contesting Lillard's (POR) driving shot attempt. The contact is initiated by Lillard.
I guess this is just another example of refs erring on the side of stars and away from rookies. Fortunately it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
It's amazing how often they do get it right. And kudos to the league for the confidence to critique their own referees' decisions in public, and after the fact.
Ojeleye made good use of his crunch-time minutes in this game.
At 4:18 of the 4th, makes a corner three to cut the lead to three.
Drew the charge on Nurkic at 2:37. Taking one for the team.
At 2:05 he's uptop and delivers the pass to Tatum for the assist. Good to see him getting more involved in the offense. Reading in this thread, I think that there's some misunderstanding of how much the coaches allow a guy like him to do. He does not have the green light to freelance, and they are not running anything for him.
At 1:08 gets Lillard on the switch and contains the drive. Good, not great, contest on a jab step, and the three falls.
At :52 gets the offensive board, though Tatum misses the second shot. Recently Semi's upped his rebounding - two offensive, four defensive in 28 minutes in this game - which is at least encouraging given his output so far.
The and one on Lillard he's swinging his arm down, as Scal points out. That's maybe what the ref saw - though he doesn't make contact.
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Here's the deal on Semi, from someone who's got no skin in this game:
The only way to be.
Dude plays great defense for a rookie. Can switch and guard multiple positions, including occasionally the other team's 5.
Occasionally, yes. He got DeAndre Jordan on the switch a couple of times in the recent Clippers game; I thought that he was lucky to get away with what he did. But the versatility that you point to is suited to the modern game, and that bodes well for his future.
Dude has been really weak shooting 3's. To the point where it takes us out of games.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that it takes the team out of games; he's only taking two per, so he can hardly have much impact on that.
.309 is not very good, of course, but we ought to keep some perspective on it - it's actually a little better than Jaylen shot in his rookie year up through the All-Star break. Semi has picture-perfect shot mechanics and seldom takes a bad shot, so it's a good bet that he'll improve.
...But if he does not improve his 3 point shooting by the end of next season, he will be gone.
He's signed for four years at chump change. Whether he's your seventh man or your tenth man, he's on a team that is going to have to dole out big money to field a contender in the next few years. He's a very valuable commodity. Unless a deal is too tempting to turn down, it doesn't make sense to replace him, even if he only achieves the median predictable.
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Semi shoots it fine. Better than that actually. It's just a confidence thing and the lack of game reps. He looks like a great pick to me.
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TP Macho
Semi is just a rookie most rookies are awed by speed of game the athleticism and strength
Semi has been tasked with some herculean assignments,he has had to quard multiple positions with multiple defensive lineups..
He can't just react he has to think constantly
He has to learn the moves ,the strengths and weaknesses of multiple offensive players per game,what spots they like and all the play actions
.Also the strengths of his own teammates and then timing
He has refs giving calls to stars-he can't pull jerseys or push guys out of way.
Then on offense he has to keep the flow moving and HAS to take the open shot.
Semi is one of the hardest workers and he can shoot well-Drew Hanlon trained him as well as Tatum.Semi and Tatum were both part of Hoops House program. last summer.
Semi is fortunate to be gifted with lateral speed and strength because it takes considerable experience to learn how to use your own teammates and how to help and rotate on coverages.
Semi weakness is his length and wingspan which hinders rebounding and blocking shots.
This is a development year for semi while gaining experience for the best defensive team and winning games.There is no place for semi to hide and teams are gunning for celtics.
Brad is telling him to shoot, they are wide open shots but it seems he is steering the ball.
We don't see semi at practice,his shot is not broken.He has been a very good shooter and as game slows down at both ends his shooting should improve ...
I also think he plays tentative and doesn't use his bulk and strength to full advantage or he would suffer from rookie calls.The amount of pushing, pulling and grabbing and it takes time to learn what refs let things go or particular refs call.
We are fortunate to have his cheap 4 year contract, as salary management will be critical and he defends multiple positions.
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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .
He still has a ton of work to do
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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .
He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route: Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up. Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .
He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route: Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up. Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.
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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .
He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route: Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up. Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.
Semi is a poor man's Brandon Bass. I'm curious to see how long he's in town once some of the picks we have upcoming (our own, LAL/Sac, Mem, LAC) come to fruition. Not to mention this summer could be a year that we add some cheap quality veterans looking to chase a ring.
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Semi shoots it fine. Better than that actually. It's just a confidence thing and the lack of game reps. He looks like a great pick to me.
When he's played at least 10 minutes, he's shot .346 from three, which is already good.
The injuries that the team is dealing with right now are unfortunate, but they've allowed Brad Stevens to get some developmental minutes for bench players, especially Theis and Ojeleye.
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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .
He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route: Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up. Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.
He still had way more than enough explosiveness after the injuries. His sloppiness offensively really hurt him in Boston.
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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .
He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route: Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up. Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.
Semi is a poor man's Brandon Bass. .
Man could not disagree more. He plays nothing like a midrange specialist rebounding PF at all. He hardly moves off the three point line.
He is a 3-D specialist with a body like Bass, sure. Otherwise plays nothing like him. I wish he would mix it up on the boards more because he clearly can with his size.
If his shot falls from 3 he can be a good role player. If he realizes there is more to the game than shooting 3 pointers quick release he can be more.
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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .
He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route: Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up. Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.
Semi is a poor man's Brandon Bass
Dang .....ouch :o. poor Semi
whelp thats enough right there to sour me on Semi ....ugh
bad as ol concrete mitts ..... ;D
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I wish he would mix it up on the boards more because he clearly can with his size.
And his strength, speed, and footwork.
He’s improved on the offensive board - now only behind Theis, Baynes, and Horford in the rotation, and ahead of Tatum, Brown, and Rozier (!). But at 4.1% you could hardly call it a strength. On the other hand, his defensive rebounding has been poor, perhaps his weakest area.
I love to watch him play – he glides to his spots, and his acceleration is superb; he plays with a sense of purpose, energy, skill, and flair. Quick hips, quick shoulders. Check how he snaps his wrists delivering an ordinary chest pass - beautiful, but also an indicator of his attention to the details.
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Solid player for a 2nd rounder. Hopefully he keeps improving. Brad is throwing him out there in situations so looks like he has earned some trust. 3 and D is his archetype and he plays it well. I'm hoping he adds some extra wrinkles to his game during the next offseason.
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Solid player for a 2nd rounder. Hopefully he keeps improving. Brad is throwing him out there in situations so looks like he has earned some trust. 3 and D is his archetype and he plays it well. I'm hoping he adds some extra wrinkles to his game during the next offseason.
With most players, the progress to year 2 is the best predictor of long-term performance. (I’m now imagining applying that yardstick to Manchild Tatum!)
But as we saw last season with Jaylen, a coach sticking with early-season minutes, letting a rookie play through his mistakes, can pay big dividends after the all-star break in the first year. Let’s see how Ojeleye’s minutes are affected by roster changes and returns from injuries. Brad has continued to find rotation minutes for Semi, including some high-stakes crunch-time minutes.
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I wish he would mix it up on the boards more because he clearly can with his size.
And his strength, speed, and footwork.
He’s improved on the offensive board - now only behind Theis, Baynes, and Horford in the rotation, and ahead of Tatum, Brown, and Rozier (!). But at 4.1% you could hardly call it a strength. On the other hand, his defensive rebounding has been poor, perhaps his weakest area.
I love to watch him play – he glides to his spots, and his acceleration is superb; he plays with a sense of purpose, energy, skill, and flair. Quick hips, quick shoulders. Check how he snaps his wrists delivering an ordinary chest pass - beautiful, but also an indicator of his attention to the details.
I agree on all of that basically. I really like how he moves on defense as well, and in general.
He could be a great cutter and rebounder as well if he wanted (and especially the rebounding would make him be able to be played at PF or even C in a pinch) but we will see what happens with him.
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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .
He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route: Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up. Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.
Semi is a poor man's Brandon Bass. .
Man could not disagree more. He plays nothing like a midrange specialist rebounding PF at all. He hardly moves off the three point line.
He is a 3-D specialist with a body like Bass, sure. Otherwise plays nothing like him. I wish he would mix it up on the boards more because he clearly can with his size.
If his shot falls from 3 he can be a good role player. If he realizes there is more to the game than shooting 3 pointers quick release he can be more.
I'm referring in the way he's built and moves his feet. Bass was an average rebounder and remember that Stevens had him shooting corner 3's for a bit. However, let's not forget how limited Bass's passing and dribbling were. That's what I see in Semi, albeit with more range and far less finishing ability at the rim.
I wish he would mix it up on the boards more because he clearly can with his size.
I love to watch him play – he glides to his spots, and his acceleration is superb; he plays with a sense of purpose, energy, skill, and flair. Quick hips, quick shoulders. Check how he snaps his wrists delivering an ordinary chest pass - beautiful, but also an indicator of his attention to the details.
Are you talking about LeBron?
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Can Stevens stop playing Semi so much? The guy brings nothing to the table. This month he's shooting 23% from the field and 25% from 3's in a mind boggling 23 MPG.
Offensively, the guy is such a liability that whoever's defending him basically operates as a free safety by playing off of him and being in close position to help on any action in the paint. To make matters worse, Semi has no instincts of playing off the ball, so rather than making a sharp cut backdoor, he'll just stand in the corner anxiously waiting to hoist another brick.
I'm not buying this whole elite defense crap either. Sure he has good lateral movement, but that's only 1 part of defense. The parts that really concerns me is his defense off the ball and his overall defensive IQ. He also seems to constantly get hung up on screens, more than you would think looking at his build. He's also an undisciplined help defender that doesn't seem to make correct reads. Today, for example, even though Van Gundy was harping on it being Monroe's fault on the play where James got to the rim for an and 1, I don't think he was correct. Semi's job was probably to go under the screen and NOT switch, as leaving Monroe 1 on 1 vs James is a bad situation. After that play Stevens immediately yanked Semi out of the game, which would lead me to believe that it was a bad read by Semi.
4 minute mark on the Monroe/ Semi play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpGrsKEExU
Another undisciplined read by Semi, where he overcommits to helping out on Nance to the rim, even though Baynes was in pretty good position to defend. This left Clarkson wide open for a corner 3 as Semi was in no position to rotate.
6:30 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpGrsKEExU
Despite all the Semi-hype posts, this guy is absolutely killing us out there!
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Semi plays fairly well on defense against tougher foes. He did fairly well on Lebron too.
HOWEVER, my god on offense he can be a nightmare.
He looks real shaky and with minimal confidence when on the offensive end, such as when he catches a pass behind the arc and has an open look, but instead of taking it, he pump fakes then tries to drive in, while the defender who "admitted defeat" and waited for him to take the shot is like "oh he didn't shoot" then closes on him while Semi has to kick it out or force a pass somewhere since he's covered... ::)
I still have hope for Semi, but I agree with @Eddie20, CBS needs to limit his minutes as it seems to hurt our team overall. Play him more minutes in a blowout win or loss or when most of our team is missing from injury, but when the team is relatively healthy playing against great teams, he should be playing really limited minutes and only playing short spurts.
He also seems to lack confidence, which can be understandable, but in that case I'd much rather let someone else on the bench get some more minutes or play a starter a little extra especially against elite foes.
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Can Stevens stop playing Semi so much? The guy brings nothing to the table. This month he's shooting 23% from the field and 25% from 3's in a mind boggling 23 MPG.
Offensively, the guy is such a liability that whoever's defending him basically operates as a free safety by playing off of him and being in close position to help on any action in the paint. To make matters worse, Semi has no instincts of playing off the ball, so rather than making a sharp cut backdoor, he'll just stand in the corner anxiously waiting to hoist another brick.
I'm not buying this whole elite defense crap either. Sure he has good lateral movement, but that's only 1 part of defense. The parts that really concerns me is his defense off the ball and his overall defensive IQ. He also seems to constantly get hung up on screens, more than you would think looking at his build. He's also an undisciplined help defender that doesn't seem to make correct reads. Today, for example, even though Van Gundy was harping on it being Monroe's fault on the play where James got to the rim for an and 1, I don't think he was correct. Semi's job was probably to go under the screen and NOT switch, as leaving Monroe 1 on 1 vs James is a bad situation. After that play Stevens immediately yanked Semi out of the game, which would lead me to believe that it was a bad read by Semi.
4 minute mark on the Monroe/ Semi play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpGrsKEExU
Another undisciplined read by Semi, where he overcommits to helping out on Nance to the rim, even though Baynes was in pretty good position to defend. This left Clarkson wide open for a corner 3 as Semi was in no position to rotate.
6:30 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpGrsKEExU
Despite all the Semi-hype posts, this guy is absolutely killing us out there!
He brings nothing offensively. is very static with a line-drive shot that almost always is short. He does not create, does not pass, and as far as I can tell cannot handle the ball.
Yeah he is huge and probably a good defender but he is not Ben Wallace.
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He might be the worst offensive basketball player I have ever seen. He can't shoot anywhere on the court, can't pass, can't dribble, can't jump, has no instincts around the rim, has no left or right hand, and always seems to be in the wrong place when not standing in the corner.
I get that he has some lateral quickness on D and he obviously has an NBA body, but he is basically horrible right now. He seriously makes Marcus Smart look like James Harden out there.
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He might be the worst offensive basketball player I have ever seen. He can't shoot anywhere on the court, can't pass, can't dribble, can't jump, has no instincts around the rim, has no left or right hand, and always seems to be in the wrong place when not standing in the corner.
I get that he has some lateral quickness on D and he obviously has an NBA body, but he is basically horrible right now. He seriously makes Marcus Smart look like James Harden out there.
It's ok, though, because he looks like he's 275 lbs...
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Why is he getting heavy minutes? Adds zero
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Why is he getting heavy minutes? Adds zero
I would understand it if he were a really young player (say 19-20) with huge upside that we were trying to develop, but he's neither of those two things. The frustrating thing is that he's being given him minutes at the expense of Theis. Today Theis only played 11 minutes and was a +8, while Semi played 24 minutes and was a -15. What's with Stevens' refusal to stay big? We should have 4 guys playing the 4 & 5, Baynes, Monroe, Horford, and Theis. Stop playing Morris at the 4, since by doing so it means that by default Semi, or god forbid Nader, will get spoon-fed minutes.
9 man rotation
Horford-Tatum-Baynes-Irving-Brown
Theis-Monroe-Rozier-Morris
10 man rotation when Smart returns, but until then PLEASE stop playing Semi.
I understood going small when we had Amir and Zeller, but now we have pretty good big men. We go small for the sake of going small? I love Stevens, but this lacks reasoning.
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Why is he getting heavy minutes? Adds zero
I would understand it if he were a really young player (say 19-20) with huge upside that we were trying to develop, but he's neither of those two things. The frustrating thing is that he's being given him minutes at the expense of Theis. Today Theis only played 11 minutes and was a +8, while Semi played 24 minutes and was a -15. What's with Stevens' refusal to stay big? We should have 4 guys playing the 4 & 5, Baynes, Monroe, Horford, and Theis. Stop playing Morris at the 4, since by doing so it means that by default Semi, or god forbid Nader, will get spoon-fed minutes.
9 man rotation
Horford-Tatum-Baynes-Irving-Brown
Theis-Monroe-Rozier-Morris
10 man rotation when Smart returns, but until then PLEASE stop playing Semi.
I understood going small when we had Amir and Zeller, but now we have pretty good big men. We go small for the sake of going small? I love Stevens, but this lacks reasoning.
What do you do when someone.like.LeBron or Durant is at the 4 or even 5 ? You've got to match up, and I don't think Horford is going to get it done.
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Can Stevens stop playing Semi so much? The guy brings nothing to the table. This month he's shooting 23% from the field and 25% from 3's in a mind boggling 23 MPG.
Offensively, the guy is such a liability that whoever's defending him basically operates as a free safety by playing off of him and being in close position to help on any action in the paint. To make matters worse, Semi has no instincts of playing off the ball, so rather than making a sharp cut backdoor, he'll just stand in the corner anxiously waiting to hoist another brick.
I'm not buying this whole elite defense crap either. Sure he has good lateral movement, but that's only 1 part of defense. The parts that really concerns me is his defense off the ball and his overall defensive IQ. He also seems to constantly get hung up on screens, more than you would think looking at his build. He's also an undisciplined help defender that doesn't seem to make correct reads. Today, for example, even though Van Gundy was harping on it being Monroe's fault on the play where James got to the rim for an and 1, I don't think he was correct. Semi's job was probably to go under the screen and NOT switch, as leaving Monroe 1 on 1 vs James is a bad situation. After that play Stevens immediately yanked Semi out of the game, which would lead me to believe that it was a bad read by Semi.
4 minute mark on the Monroe/ Semi play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpGrsKEExU
Another undisciplined read by Semi, where he overcommits to helping out on Nance to the rim, even though Baynes was in pretty good position to defend. This left Clarkson wide open for a corner 3 as Semi was in no position to rotate.
6:30 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpGrsKEExU
Despite all the Semi-hype posts, this guy is absolutely killing us out there!
Your seething and visceral hatred for a second round draft pick is truly something to behold ::). Tell me, do you just watch these games simply to find fault with his play, because that certainly, and unfortunately, appears to be the case. I swear to god, I can see it now, "Semi didn't bring gluten free barbecue sauce to the Memorial Day cookout? TRADE THAT BUM!"
As for your other points, I completely disagree with your assessment with respect to his off-ball movement. Granted, I have not watched a ton of games this year, but there have been many instances where his defender turns his head and Semi cuts to the basket, as you should, and is wide open, and no one passes him the ball. I realize that he's not exactly a prime option on offense, but I would be willing to bet that he'd shoot much better if he got a layup to start, you know? Is that fair to say?
Also, in regards to his body type, you're completely off base, here, at least in my opinion, not that that counts for anything, as it pertains to negotiating picks/screens, or not, as in this particular case. Guys of his size and weight, such as Lebron and the artist formerly known as Ron Artest, have always struggled getting around picks/screens. It's kind of their kryptonite, defensively, so to speak, and I've been saying it for years that that is the way to beat Lebron, to really attack him, but aside from a few instances, no one seems to make a concerted effort to hone in on this glaring weakness, and for the life of me I simply cannot understand as to why. I mean, if a moron such as myself can figure it out, surely NBA coaches are cognizant of this piece of information, right? Right?
Beyond that, I don't believe that Semi is being utilized correctly on offense. Like at all. I'm not making excuses for his shooting percentages, but I think it's important to point out that the guy was primarily a power player with a great touch in college who did most of his damage in the post, yet when he's being guarded by a smaller player, such as C.J. Miles, or even Kyle Lowry, lol, no one gives him the ball, often opting to simply waive him off and tell the guy to go stand in the corner ::), which seems to be a staple of Stevens' "offense" in regards to rookies, but that's a whole other issue.
Even worse is when he's being "guarded" by guys like David West and Porzingis, for example. I know that Semi's strength and quickness allows him to guard a host of different players, but this also makes for a complete mismatch on offense for Boston, at least in my view, that the coaching staff is either completely failing to recognize or comprehend, never mind exploit. In such instances, they should run the backdoor step/blind pig option for Semi, or have him pass to the wing and cut off of the screen of the center. The result? Layups. Dunks. Free throws. In other words, easy scores. He can probably get 6-8 points a game just on those plays, alone, and then his outside shot will start to fall, but it also takes the opposing big guy off the floor, unless, of course, the opposing coaching staff has some odd interest in conceding layups and such.
Anyway, those are my misguided views :-\.
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Why is he getting heavy minutes? Adds zero
I would understand it if he were a really young player (say 19-20) with huge upside that we were trying to develop, but he's neither of those two things. The frustrating thing is that he's being given him minutes at the expense of Theis. Today Theis only played 11 minutes and was a +8, while Semi played 24 minutes and was a -15. What's with Stevens' refusal to stay big? We should have 4 guys playing the 4 & 5, Baynes, Monroe, Horford, and Theis. Stop playing Morris at the 4, since by doing so it means that by default Semi, or god forbid Nader, will get spoon-fed minutes.
9 man rotation
Horford-Tatum-Baynes-Irving-Brown
Theis-Monroe-Rozier-Morris
10 man rotation when Smart returns, but until then PLEASE stop playing Semi.
I understood going small when we had Amir and Zeller, but now we have pretty good big men. We go small for the sake of going small? I love Stevens, but this lacks reasoning.
What do you do when someone.like.LeBron or Durant is at the 4 or even 5 ? You've got to match up, and I don't think Horford is going to get it done.
Against Cleveland I would've crossed matchup. Meaning Brown on James, Horford on Osman, Tatum on Smith, Baynes on Thompson, and Irving on Hill. This would've allowed Morris to come in off the bench, resulting in bench scoring and a guy that can cover James when Brown sits. In addition, starting Baynes eliminates the Horford vs Thompson matchup, which is one that has not been historically favorable to Horford. Starting Morris just creates way too much roster imbalance as you have three bigs (Theis, Monroe, Baynes) all good enough to get playing time, while forcing a player (Semi) that's not even remotely good enough to get meaningful minutes vs elite teams.
Sean Grande:
Celtics when Baynes plays 22:30 or more: 15-0
Celtics when Baynes plays 20:00 or more: 22-3
Celtics when Baynes plays under 20:00: 18-15
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I think the problem with Semi is that since we have so many big men, he's forced to play the 3 which really highlights his lack of offense. When he plays the 4, there are more creators on offense so his lack of offense isn't as noticeable. I think we're gunna see a big year 2 jump from him when Danny can clear out this big man rotation but for now I would just prefer seeing him only in blowouts or when an individual player is just killing us and we have no other option.
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I think the problem with Semi is that since we have so many big men, he's forced to play the 3 which really highlights his lack of offense. When he plays the 4, there are more creators on offense so his lack of offense isn't as noticeable. I think we're gunna see a big year 2 jump from him when Danny can clear out this big man rotation but for now I would just prefer seeing him only in blowouts or when an individual player is just killing us and we have no other option.
He's 6'7. If he plans to play anything but the 3 in the NBA he might as well head out to Europe right now.
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There was simply no reason for Ojeleye to have essentially the same amount of playing time at halftime yesterday as Brown, Tatum and Kyrie. That was pathetic substitution by Stevens and we lost the game during that time because while Lebron sat, we could only score two points more than the Cavs. You can't freeze out your starting scorers and have a lineup of players that can't score in the game when Lebron is nursing an injury.
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I think the problem with Semi is that since we have so many big men, he's forced to play the 3 which really highlights his lack of offense. When he plays the 4, there are more creators on offense so his lack of offense isn't as noticeable. I think we're gunna see a big year 2 jump from him when Danny can clear out this big man rotation but for now I would just prefer seeing him only in blowouts or when an individual player is just killing us and we have no other option.
He's 6'7. If he plans to play anything but the 3 in the NBA he might as well head out to Europe right now.
So, uh, what're PJ Tucker and Jae Crowder, to name two, doing in the NBA, then?
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semi sux
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semi sux
Stevens is starting to realize that and it now looks like No-J-eleye has fallen completely out of the rotation.
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So, uh, what're PJ Tucker and Jae Crowder, to name two, doing in the NBA, then?
In Crowder's case struggling
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semi sux
Why go halfway? I'd say he completely sux.
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I think Semi will be better next season
it seems like he "catches" on late as evidenced from his initial struggles in college ball
but once he is comfortable he will Jae Crowder it
His defense is already capable and hopefully offense will come around sooner than later.
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I'm a believer and am thrilled that we have him on a long contract.
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For a 2nd round pick rookie, fair to say semi has outperformed expectations.
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For a 2nd round pick rookie, fair to say semi has outperformed expectations.
The fact a 2nd round pick gets any rotation mins on a top 5 team that already has 5 other rookies on the roster should be mind blowing!
I like his defense, he moves his feet really well. Come playoff time having a body to throw at someone torching you will be nice.
He clearly struggles on the offensive end but what 2nd round rookie doesn't?
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I think Semi will be better next season
it seems like he "catches" on late as evidenced from his initial struggles in college ball
but once he is comfortable he will Jae Crowder it
His defense is already capable and hopefully offense will come around sooner than later.
”Come around” makes it sound like he’s in a slump or something. The man has no offensive skills to speak of. He needs to totally learn how to play offensive basketball.
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For a 2nd round pick rookie, fair to say semi has outperformed expectations.
The fact a 2nd round pick gets any rotation mins on a top 5 team that already has 5 other rookies on the roster should be mind blowing!
Really? You don't think it goes hand in hand?
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For a 2nd round pick rookie, fair to say semi has outperformed expectations.
The fact a 2nd round pick gets any rotation mins on a top 5 team that already has 5 other rookies on the roster should be mind blowing!
Really? You don't think it goes hand in hand?
Yeah given for most of the year we had a 14 man roster with Tatum, Yabusele, Theis, Ojeleye and Nader all being rookies, it seems pretty logical given injuries that a lot of rookies were going to see a lot of playing time.
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I think Semi will be better next season
it seems like he "catches" on late as evidenced from his initial struggles in college ball
but once he is comfortable he will Jae Crowder it
His defense is already capable and hopefully offense will come around sooner than later.
”Come around” makes it sound like he’s in a slump or something. The man has no offensive skills to speak of. He needs to totally learn how to play offensive basketball.
In 58 college games he averaged 12.5 ppg, fg% = 48%, 3pt% = 41.5%, ft% = 78.5%. Not an all star for sure. But not the grim image you paint above.
Really too soon to know his offensive ceiling. But even after the the gun-jumping on Bradley and others, some CBers still do not seem to have learned patience.
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I think Semi will be better next season
it seems like he "catches" on late as evidenced from his initial struggles in college ball
but once he is comfortable he will Jae Crowder it
His defense is already capable and hopefully offense will come around sooner than later.
”Come around” makes it sound like he’s in a slump or something. The man has no offensive skills to speak of. He needs to totally learn how to play offensive basketball.
In 58 college games he averaged 12.5 ppg, fg% = 48%, 3pt% = 41.5%, ft% = 78.5%. Not an all star for sure. But not the grim image you paint above.
Really too soon to know his offensive ceiling. But even after the the gun-jumping on Bradley and others, some CBers still do not seem to have learned patience.
Those stats have absolutely no translation into prospective pro stats. Few to no college stats translate to pro stats. Always best to judge a player on skillset, intelligence, talent and work ethic.
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I think Semi will be better next season
it seems like he "catches" on late as evidenced from his initial struggles in college ball
but once he is comfortable he will Jae Crowder it
His defense is already capable and hopefully offense will come around sooner than later.
”Come around” makes it sound like he’s in a slump or something. The man has no offensive skills to speak of. He needs to totally learn how to play offensive basketball.
In 58 college games he averaged 12.5 ppg, fg% = 48%, 3pt% = 41.5%, ft% = 78.5%. Not an all star for sure. But not the grim image you paint above.
Really too soon to know his offensive ceiling. But even after the the gun-jumping on Bradley and others, some CBers still do not seem to have learned patience.
In 56 NBA games he's averaged 2.3 ppg, fg% = 30%, 3pt% = 28%, ft% = 63%. Pretty grim.
Besides, the bulk of the numbers you posted were playing in a weak conference. He struggled mightily at Duke and was receiving so little PT that he had to transfer.
The Bradley comparison is a really poor example. He was, what, 19 when we drafted him?
No-J-eleye is 23. The difference is colossal in terms of player development. You also said "Bradley and others", who are the others? I can't think of a C's player as old as Semi, struggle as badly as him, and do such a 180 that "Cbers" were all forced to give a collective mea culpa. I mean I can't think of any off the top of my head.
Again, I wish he was good because it would mean the Celtics would be a better team. I just can't blindly put lipstick on a pig.
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He's shown no improvement over the season. Actually he regressed shooting-wise in February where he played in 9 games at 18.7 MPG, managing just 19% from 3 and 24% FG% overall.
I expected nothing from him this season given that he's a 2nd round pick, so I'm not that disappointed overall. It did look like he had the potential to be a 3 & D type of bench player very early in the season but obviously that hasn't been the case this year. The amount of minutes that Stevens has given him is a bit puzzling at times. While his individual defense is good, he does everything else at a below-NBA level. What bothers me the most is his lack of motor and physicality. He's built like a tractor but he doesn't use his strength and physique to his advantage - it has come in handy when he's defending individually against a bigger player in the post, but those plays are few and far in between in today's NBA.
I'm not going to judge him as a rookie, but I don't see much offensive upside at all. He has a weak handle, poor offensive instincts, has shown no ability to get to the rim or finish at the rim, and has shown no passing abilities. All I'm hoping for is that he develops into a decent spot-up 3-point shooter.
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Long term I love the pick but right now I hope he doesn't crack the rotation.
The thing with him is he basically has shown nothing but the ability to shoot... and not to make 3's. If he keeps working with his shot and it starts falling, he can be a rotation player. The problem I would say for anything past that is his unwillingness to impact the game anywhere else. I still don't get why he isn't more of a rebounder for example. The guy is really big and should be able to get some offensive rebounds and more defensive ones.
He seems to only focus on shooting threes so if that started falling he can be a good guy to bring off the bench. I think he has had really great moments on defense and should keep being able to bring that. The problem is he might as well not be playing on offense right now.
For where he was taken and everything, I have zero complaints. There's still potential. With the squeeze for minutes between Monroe, Theis, and Baynes I don't want to see him playing anymore unless it's a blow out.
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He's shown no improvement over the season. Actually he regressed shooting-wise in February where he played in 9 games at 18.7 MPG, managing just 19% from 3 and 24% FG% overall.
I expected nothing from him this season given that he's a 2nd round pick, so I'm not that disappointed overall. It did look like he had the potential to be a 3 & D type of bench player very early in the season but obviously that hasn't been the case this year. The amount of minutes that Stevens has given him is a bit puzzling at times. While his individual defense is good, he does everything else at a below-NBA level. What bothers me the most is his lack of motor and physicality. He's built like a tractor but he doesn't use his strength and physique to his advantage - it has come in handy when he's defending individually against a bigger player in the post, but those plays are few and far in between in today's NBA.
I'm not going to judge him as a rookie, but I don't see much offensive upside at all. He has a weak handle, poor offensive instincts, has shown no ability to get to the rim or finish at the rim, and has shown no passing abilities. All I'm hoping for is that he develops into a decent spot-up 3-point shooter.
I agree with your entire post.
(Big) IF his shooting at least becomes mediocre, ideally you would want him as small ball 4 where he can stretch the floor. However, his lack of rebounding will cause you to get killed on the glass. Then, if you play him at the 3, his lack of ball-handling, slow release, and low release point will be an issue as he would be defended by quicker players that will be quicker in rotation and an aggressive close out will force Semi to have to put the ball on the floor.
As an aside, I love the big 2nd unit lineup Stevens has gone with the last couple of games (Theis-Morris-Monroe frontcourt). I don't really care for Morris' ball-handling and he seems to love going 1-on-1 on the perimeter a lot. However, this seems to occur much more often when he's covered by 4's. Against 3's, Morris actually takes advantage of his size and strength and starts backing his man down to get much cleaner/higher percentage looks. Regardless, I hate Iso-Mo's, but I have less of an issue with it when he's taking better shots.
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Semi should model his game after Brandon Bass, plus the three.
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With Monroe starting to play well, I hope Morris takes bulk of the backup 3 ninutes so Semi doesnt have to play.
Heck if I had to choose, Id play Yabu over him. At least with Yabu you can aee the upside.
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cripes. twenty pages and counting on cb for a second round draft pick. ha ha...this is why i like this place. ;D
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cripes. twenty pages and counting on cb for a second round draft pick. ha ha...this is why i like this place. ;D
High fives!! TP
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With Monroe starting to play well, I hope Morris takes bulk of the backup 3 ninutes so Semi doesnt have to play.
Heck if I had to choose, Id play Yabu over him. At least with Yabu you can aee the upside.
Our 2nd unit does seem a lot bigger than it used to be. I don't love Morris at SF, but it should help him down on the block against smaller players - he does love that turnaround J. He just needs to remain (or become) active on D.
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cripes. twenty pages and counting on cb for a second round draft pick. ha ha...this is why i like this place. ;D
I can't disagree with you there. It's fascinating to see some of the posts in this thread and not burst out with laughter. Especially when you have members saying he's a top 50 player, SF's can't stop him, we should have him attack Porzingis 1-on-1 in order to get some easy baskets, etc.
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Rough preseason for Semi No-O
FG% 16.7
3PT% 14.3 (2 for 14)
The offense is to be expected, as he offers little at that end, but his shots have been all over the place (wide left, wide right, etc.). What's even more concerning is that he continues to get wide open looks and just can't shoot.
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Rough preseason for Semi No-O
FG% 16.7
3PT% 14.3 (2 for 14)
The offense is to be expected, as he offers little at that end, but his shots have been all over the place (wide left, wide right, etc.). What's even more concerning is that he continues to get wide open looks and just can't shoot.
Shooting sub-20 is inexcusable really.
I liked the defence he displayed on occasion last season, and thought he had promise, but if he truly hasn't developed as a shooter at all (not going to make conclusions based on preseason) then I fear he doesn't have long left in the league
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Rough preseason for Semi No-O
FG% 16.7
3PT% 14.3 (2 for 14)
The offense is to be expected, as he offers little at that end, but his shots have been all over the place (wide left, wide right, etc.). What's even more concerning is that he continues to get wide open looks and just can't shoot.
Shooting sub-20 is inexcusable really.
I liked the defence he displayed on occasion last season, and thought he had promise, but if he truly hasn't developed as a shooter at all (not going to make conclusions based on preseason) then I fear he doesn't have long left in the league
Right. The problem is he doesn't move well without the ball either. I remember when Bradley couldn't really shoot, but he was a terror going backdoor on the baseline. Semi doesn't do this, instead he just stays in the weakside corner waiting to fire away another curveball. What's unsettling is that all the teams know he can't shoot, so he kills our spacing and his man plays way off him clogging any action in the paint.
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Rough preseason for Semi No-O
FG% 16.7
3PT% 14.3 (2 for 14)
The offense is to be expected, as he offers little at that end, but his shots have been all over the place (wide left, wide right, etc.). What's even more concerning is that he continues to get wide open looks and just can't shoot.
Shooting sub-20 is inexcusable really.
I liked the defence he displayed on occasion last season, and thought he had promise, but if he truly hasn't developed as a shooter at all (not going to make conclusions based on preseason) then I fear he doesn't have long left in the league
Right. The problem is he doesn't move well without the ball either. I remember when Bradley couldn't really shoot, but he was a terror going backdoor on the baseline. Semi doesn't do this, instead he just stays in the weakside corner waiting to fire away another curveball. What's unsettling is that all the teams know he can't shoot, so he kills our spacing and his man plays way off him clogging any action in the paint.
Agree completely. If he could just take a leaf out of AB's book and move off the ball, even to just make the defender aware of him, he would help out the offence a lot more than just sitting there.
Against teams like Milwaukee this particularly hurt us, because it allows their long athletic freaks like Giannis to 'man-up' on Semi but really just roam around playing help defence
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Semi is a very limited player. Strong as an ox and some decent defensive chops but that's where it ends. He should be a 14th or 15th guy on a contending team. Unfortunately we have Bird and Yabusele so he is pretty much a guy that will be active most games and probably see some action, action he shouldn't really see.
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Semi is a very limited player. Strong as an ox and some decent defensive chops but that's where it ends. He should be a 14th or 15th guy on a contending team. Unfortunately we have Bird and Yabusele so he is pretty much a guy that will be active most games and probably see some action, action he shouldn't really see.
To be honest, Yabusele has shown more this preseason than Semi has. It's a shame that Semi is so bad offensively, he seems like a good guy, but at this age (soon to be 24) and his low skill level it's hard to see him amounting to much.
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His D at times can be very good. I disagree that he is worse than Yabusele. Both of these guys have big time confidence issues and do not use their bodies well.
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Semi is a very limited player. Strong as an ox and some decent defensive chops but that's where it ends. He should be a 14th or 15th guy on a contending team. Unfortunately we have Bird and Yabusele so he is pretty much a guy that will be active most games and probably see some action, action he shouldn't really see.
To be honest, Yabusele has shown more this preseason than Semi has. It's a shame that Semi is so bad offensively, he seems like a good guy, but at this age (soon to be 24) and his low skill level it's hard to see him amounting to much.
That being said, how about Gershon?
Yabuselle skillset feels like its been scaling up nicely. When we played the Cavs the other night Yabu was assertive and productive in his minutes. He has legitimate athleticism with that body type.
We could really have something if Yabuselle can slide into the 4th big man spot.
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Semi is a very limited player. Strong as an ox and some decent defensive chops but that's where it ends. He should be a 14th or 15th guy on a contending team. Unfortunately we have Bird and Yabusele so he is pretty much a guy that will be active most games and probably see some action, action he shouldn't really see.
To be honest, Yabusele has shown more this preseason than Semi has. It's a shame that Semi is so bad offensively, he seems like a good guy, but at this age (soon to be 24) and his low skill level it's hard to see him amounting to much.
That being said, how about Gershon?
Yabuselle skillset feels like its been scaling up nicely. When we played the Cavs the other night Yabu was assertive and productive in his minutes. He has legitimate athleticism with that body type.
We could really have something if Yabuselle can slide into the 4th big man spot.
Assertive is the exact word I was thinking for describing Yabu. Another word was aggressive, which he showed when he was clearly fouled and sprinted down the floor to block a shot into the second row. He doesn't really know how to use his size, and put that shoulder into a defender's chest, to create space for his shot, but hopefully that'll come.
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It is wild to me that Semi can't get a shot to go down. All indications are he should be a better shooter. I don't get it.
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It is wild to me that Semi can't get a shot to go down. All indications are he should be a better shooter. I don't get it.
Reminds me of RJ Hunter in that regard
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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
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It is wild to me that Semi can't get a shot to go down. All indications are he should be a better shooter. I don't get it.
It's crazy. We take guys people say can't shoot coming in and they shoot well in the NBA, we get guys that shot well or had the makings of a shooter/scorer in college and they look like poo. People still get on Danny for taking "poor shooters" but his formula may just be on the money lol. That or we need to get better shooting coaches! :o
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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems. Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game. He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general. You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems. Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game. He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general. You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
Picturing Mo Bamba’s rail thin arms on Semi’s massive body is hilarious
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rename this thread
Semi's Can't Shoot a lick Thread
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rename this thread
Semi's Can't Shoot a lick Thread
Yeah seems like Semi has taken a step back in progress.
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geez louise folks, semi was the seventh pick in the second round. last year he had real and valuable contributions to the team when injuries occurred. and so far we have only seen pre-season games.
let's be patient and see what he turns into after a few years.
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He ia a role player calm down... we need just certain things feom him
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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems. Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game. He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general. You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
well, he was a pretty good shooter in college, averaging 41.5% on 3 pointers. so it is not as if he has never been a good shooter. the question is what has happened to him so far in the nba. and by so far in the nba i mean ONE SEASON of 73 games at 16 minutes per game.
i will once again play the role of the broken record...why not wait and see whether he develops before jumping to a conclusion on the entirety of his career as a professional?
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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems. Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game. He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general. You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
well, he was a pretty good shooter in college, averaging 41.5% on 3 pointers. so it is not as if he has never been a good shooter. the question is what has happened to him so far in the nba. and by so far in the nba i mean ONE SEASON of 73 games at 16 minutes per game.
i will once again play the role of the broken record...why not wait and see whether he develops before jumping to a conclusion on the entirety of his career as a professional?
I think both Yabusele and Ojeleye have exactly one year to convince management they are ready to become prime time players because after the 2019 draft we could end up with a Cam Reddish or Nassir Little, Jontae Porter or Jaylen Hoarde and then a player at the end of the first round. This upcoming draft could seal the fate of a bunch of players on the Celtics bench, depending on which players the Celtics decide to keep out of Rozier, Morris, Theis, Bird, Yabusele, Wannamaker and Ojeleye
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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems. Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game. He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general. You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
well, he was a pretty good shooter in college, averaging 41.5% on 3 pointers. so it is not as if he has never been a good shooter. the question is what has happened to him so far in the nba. and by so far in the nba i mean ONE SEASON of 73 games at 16 minutes per game.
i will once again play the role of the broken record...why not wait and see whether he develops before jumping to a conclusion on the entirety of his career as a professional?
He actually wasn't that great of a shooter in college despite claims saying otherwise. He had one good shooting year in a weak conference, but he also played 2 seasons in the much tougher ACC where he shot 34.8%. That's not good when you consider the closer 3PT college line, but it's more indicative of his shooting ability when you factor in the level of competition.
You're also dismissive of the sample size of his "one NBA season", but that sample size is much larger than the one you use (his 1 season at SMU) to make a case that he can actually shoot. So the breakdown is as follows:
College
Duke FG% 37.5 - 3PT% 34.8 ACC - 23 games
SMU FG% 48.7 - 3PT% 42.4 AAC - 35 games (huge difference in that one letter)
NBA
Regular season FG% 34.6 - 3PT% 32.0 - 73 games
Playoffs FG% 30.3 - 3PT% 27.3 - 17 games
As you see, the lone season he had at SMU is an aberration when you consider his overall shooting during his past college and current NBA career. Another thing to factor in, besides the level of competition and shorter college 3PT line, is where were these shots coming from. Where they coming off-the dribble or was he spotting up? Perhaps Semi, who was likely SMU's best player, had the ball in his hands a lot and the majority of these shots were not coming on catch and shoot looks as he's getting on the Celtics and received as a bench player at Duke. It could be entirely possible that he not only has issues with the longer distance in the NBA, but isn't that good in catch and shoot. Jamal Crawford is a player that comes to mine that is a much better shooter off-the-dribble than he is on catch and shoots.
This preseason Semi finished with shooting percentages of 19% from the field and 17.6% from 3's. Not exactly encouraging when you think that's what he needed to work on during the summer and so far seems to have regressed (if possible) shooting the ball.
You preach patience and cite Bradley and Perkins as references. The problem with that comparison is that Perkins was 19 and never played college, while Bradley was 20 and played one season in college. Semi is turning 24 in less than 60 days.
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Give Williams Semi's minutes.
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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems. Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game. He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general. You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
well, he was a pretty good shooter in college, averaging 41.5% on 3 pointers. so it is not as if he has never been a good shooter. the question is what has happened to him so far in the nba. and by so far in the nba i mean ONE SEASON of 73 games at 16 minutes per game.
i will once again play the role of the broken record...why not wait and see whether he develops before jumping to a conclusion on the entirety of his career as a professional?
He actually wasn't that great of a shooter in college despite claims saying otherwise. He had one good shooting year in a weak conference, but he also played 2 seasons in the much tougher ACC where he shot 34.8%. That's not good when you consider the closer 3PT college line, but it's more indicative of his shooting ability when you factor in the level of competition.
You're also dismissive of the sample size of his "one NBA season", but that sample size is much larger than the one you use (his 1 season at SMU) to make a case that he can actually shoot. So the breakdown is as follows:
College
Duke FG% 37.5 - 3PT% 34.8 ACC - 23 games
SMU FG% 48.7 - 3PT% 42.4 AAC - 35 games (huge difference in that one letter)
NBA
Regular season FG% 34.6 - 3PT% 32.0 - 73 games
Playoffs FG% 30.3 - 3PT% 27.3 - 17 games
As you see, the lone season he had at SMU is an aberration when you consider his overall shooting during his past college and current NBA career. Another thing to factor in, besides the level of competition and shorter college 3PT line, is where were these shots coming from. Where they coming off-the dribble or was he spotting up? Perhaps Semi, who was likely SMU's best player, had the ball in his hands a lot and the majority of these shots were not coming on catch and shoot looks as he's getting on the Celtics and received as a bench player at Duke. It could be entirely possible that he not only has issues with the longer distance in the NBA, but isn't that good in catch and shoot. Jamal Crawford is a player that comes to mine that is a much better shooter off-the-dribble than he is on catch and shoots.
This preseason Semi finished with shooting percentages of 19% from the field and 17.6% from 3's. Not exactly encouraging when you think that's what he needed to work on during the summer and so far seems to have regressed (if possible) shooting the ball.
You preach patience and cite Bradley and Perkins as references. The problem with that comparison is that Perkins was 19 and never played college, while Bradley was 20 and played one season in college. Semi is turning 24 in less than 60 days.
very good points. thanks for expanding the discussion and adding even more data. this does make me rethink my origin position and raises new questions. tp. ;D