Memphis Grizzlies 2019-2020 Watch Thread (#14)

[slamtheking]

Memphis beats the Timberwolves tonight. Booooo

Ideally they'd win enough games to not get into a top 4 slot so they get a pick in the 5-6 range to just miss out on the top prospects in this draft

Yep.  4th worst is ideal.  Not the top lottery odds, but it would take three teams jumping up for the pick to convey, and if it did convey, it would be 7th or 8th.

Yup, we don't want them to lose too many games.

I realize it's still early in the college season to get a good sense of how deep this draft will really be but I admit I'm on the fence about whether it would be good for the pick to carryover to next year. 

[Fierce1]

I don't think we ever see this pick.  I believe it will be dealt, along with players, for a big, like a Drummod or KAT.

That's very unlikely because the Celts would have to include Hayward or Smart or Kemba.

Right now the price the Celts can afford is around 18m, a player with a salary of 18m this season.

Both KAT and Drummond are getting 27m each this season.
So that's out of the Celts' price range.

[Somebody]

I don't think we ever see this pick.  I believe it will be dealt, along with players, for a big, like a Drummod or KAT.

That's very unlikely because the Celts would have to include Hayward or Smart or Kemba.

Right now the price the Celts can afford is around 18m, a player with a salary of 18m this season.

Both KAT and Drummond are getting 27m each this season.
So that's out of the Celts' price range.

I'd trade Tatum, Smart and picks for KAT, he's a truly transcendent big man talent. But if we somehow don't need to give up Tatum/Brown for KAT I'd be happy to trade Smart plus filler like Theis/Hayward and every pick/prospect we have.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I don't think we ever see this pick.  I believe it will be dealt, along with players, for a big, like a Drummod or KAT.

That's very unlikely because the Celts would have to include Hayward or Smart or Kemba.

Right now the price the Celts can afford is around 18m, a player with a salary of 18m this season.

Both KAT and Drummond are getting 27m each this season.
So that's out of the Celts' price range.

I mostly agree with you. See that, Fierce1. We can get along!!

I would say that there's no way we are dealing one of those guys for Drummond, which makes the trade an impossibility. KAT might be a little different.

Still, I watched some of him this year and I HATE his body language. He doesn't carry himself like an unselfish, mature, team guy. He seems much more entitled, selfish, chip-and-his-shoulders-but-not-in-the-good-way.

Teammates just don't look happy playing with him.

The talent is undeniable, but if there is anything we learned from Kyrie, it's that you have to have the right kind of guy, not just the right level of talent.

[Androslav]

I don't think we ever see this pick.  I believe it will be dealt, along with players, for a big, like a Drummod or KAT.

That's very unlikely because the Celts would have to include Hayward or Smart or Kemba.

Right now the price the Celts can afford is around 18m, a player with a salary of 18m this season.

Both KAT and Drummond are getting 27m each this season.
So that's out of the Celts' price range.

I mostly agree with you. See that, Fierce1. We can get along!!

I would say that there's no way we are dealing one of those guys for Drummond, which makes the trade an impossibility. KAT might be a little different.

Still, I watched some of him this year and I HATE his body language. He doesn't carry himself like an unselfish, mature, team guy. He seems much more entitled, selfish, chip-and-his-shoulders-but-not-in-the-good-way.

Teammates just don't look happy playing with him.

The talent is undeniable, but if there is anything we learned from Kyrie, it's that you have to have the right kind of guy, not just the right level of talent.

TP.
That is fan lore right there.

[PhoSita]

The talent is undeniable, but if there is anything we learned from Kyrie, it's that you have to have the right kind of guy, not just the right level of talent.

Amen.


The Celts may not have a realistic chance of winning a title with the current formula (a bunch of versatile guys who play hard and like each other), but I would rather try to do it that way than attempt to build around a malcontent who doesn't "get it."

[Fierce1]

I don't think we ever see this pick.  I believe it will be dealt, along with players, for a big, like a Drummod or KAT.

That's very unlikely because the Celts would have to include Hayward or Smart or Kemba.

Right now the price the Celts can afford is around 18m, a player with a salary of 18m this season.

Both KAT and Drummond are getting 27m each this season.
So that's out of the Celts' price range.

I'd trade Tatum, Smart and picks for KAT, he's a truly transcendent big man talent. But if we somehow don't need to give up Tatum/Brown for KAT I'd be happy to trade Smart plus filler like Theis/Hayward and every pick/prospect we have.

Tatum, Smart, and picks for KAT is good for the Celts, not for the Wolves.
It will be the T-Wolves that will become a team of wings and no big man.
But if the Wolves called Ainge and said we want Tatum, Smart, and picks for KAT, no doubt Ainge will pull trigger instantly.

I'm a big Tatum fan, but if that's the offer then I would also agree as it would greatly benefit the Celts.

But I just don't think that's a realistic scenario.
That's a trade that only benefits the Celtics.
Wolves will be back to where they were a few years ago.

[saltlover]

I don't think we ever see this pick.  I believe it will be dealt, along with players, for a big, like a Drummod or KAT.

That's very unlikely because the Celts would have to include Hayward or Smart or Kemba.

Right now the price the Celts can afford is around 18m, a player with a salary of 18m this season.

Both KAT and Drummond are getting 27m each this season.
So that's out of the Celts' price range.

I'd trade Tatum, Smart and picks for KAT, he's a truly transcendent big man talent. But if we somehow don't need to give up Tatum/Brown for KAT I'd be happy to trade Smart plus filler like Theis/Hayward and every pick/prospect we have.

Tatum, Smart, and picks for KAT is good for the Celts, not for the Wolves.
It will be the T-Wolves that will become a team of wings and no big man.
But if the Wolves called Ainge and said we want Tatum, Smart, and picks for KAT, no doubt Ainge will pull trigger instantly.

I'm a big Tatum fan, but if that's the offer then I would also agree as it would greatly benefit the Celts.

But I just don't think that's a realistic scenario.
That's a trade that only benefits the Celtics.
Wolves will be back to where they were a few years ago.

Reposting because I agree.

Let's not hijack the Memphis Grizzlies thread, even though it started to go off the rails when someone suggested we trade the pick for Myles Turner.

I agree. I think the 4 for 1 big man deal idea has hijacked enough threads. Let's stick to this being about the Memphis team and their results this year

[Donoghus]

This is a pick watch thread, not a trade idea thread.   Start a new thread for that.  Get back on track.  We're not going off the rails in another thread like we did the other night in the game thread.

[bopna]

I don't think we ever see this pick.  I believe it will be dealt, along with players, for a big, like a Drummod or KAT.

Where do I sign up for KAT?

Imagining KAT in the same division as Embiid would be epic and ESPN would be all over it.

Im also not hesitating a Tatum , Memphis pick plus fillers for KAT deal...but id hold on to Smart, the guy is just going to win us a playoff series just with his d...Imagine Smart and Brown all over Lebron and Kat neutralizing AD...sign me up.

[PhoSita]

Speaking of the Grizz, I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but it's disappointing to see the Jaren Jackson has had a slow, even bad, start to the year.

Thought he was a breakout candidate.  I suppose you have to chalk a lot of that up to playing with so many young players, in particular a rookie point guard.

To some extent it shouldn't be surprising that a young big man is a lot less productive playing alongside a rookie high-usage point guard than he did playing with Mike Conley.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Speaking of the Grizz, I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but it's disappointing to see the Jaren Jackson has had a slow, even bad, start to the year.

Thought he was a breakout candidate.  I suppose you have to chalk a lot of that up to playing with so many young players, in particular a rookie point guard.

To some extent it shouldn't be surprising that a young big man is a lot less productive playing alongside a rookie high-usage point guard than he did playing with Mike Conley.

From what I've seen, he's mainly just not hitting shots right now. I've always been dubious about his real upside because of his offensive feel and low shot release, but I think you'll see his numbers creep up throughout the year.

[libermaniac]

Is the general consensus that we don't want this pick to convey this year because it's a weak draft?

[rondofan1255]

From what I've seen, he's mainly just not hitting shots right now. I've always been dubious about his real upside because of his offensive feel and low shot release, but I think you'll see his numbers creep up throughout the year.

I agree.

JJJ is still getting in foul trouble too early and often
Some fouls are silly ones too, same problem last year

[Who]

Speaking of the Grizz, I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but it's disappointing to see the Jaren Jackson has had a slow, even bad, start to the year.

Thought he was a breakout candidate.  I suppose you have to chalk a lot of that up to playing with so many young players, in particular a rookie point guard.

To some extent it shouldn't be surprising that a young big man is a lot less productive playing alongside a rookie high-usage point guard than he did playing with Mike Conley.

The moment you saw Memphis had decided to start Jonas Valanciunas at center instead of Jaren Jackson + had decided to try and force Jaren Jackson into being a PF = you just knew things were being stacked against him.

I hate seeing teams hurt their own players. Especially when those players are so talented and are their future.

Jaren Jackson is a center. Not a PF. He has less advantages at PF. He has to chase smaller quicker guys around all the time. He has to play on the perimeter more often to space the floor and gets fewer easy baskets on rolls / cuts to the rim. He gets defended by quicker players who are adept at covering the three point line decreasing the value of his outside shooting.

Like I said, they are stacking the deck against him.

Terrible management. Terrible coaching.

Hurting his development.