Knicks played yesterday, yet this thread wasn't bumped by those pro-Fournier people.
It is early in the season, but Fournier is going to be who has always been over the course of a season. Boston letting him go just doesn't matter because he isn't good enough to make a meaningful difference for Boston.
I'll bump this up after he has a good game, you'll bump it up if he has a bad game.
Deal?
Fournier had 32 pts against us then 18 @ ORL and 8 vs. ORL. I don't think signing him or not is a big deal but why don't we let him settle in for NYK and see what he is going to do, say over 10 games? My prediction is that he keeps his numbers up in the 18 pts range but that they end up being fairly "soft" points, like he was in ORL and like he was for 16 games for us.
In terms of Hayward, really, are we still going back to that? Hayward at $30M is an overpay. You don't become a title contender overpaying players like Hayward. He is a good player, probably not an all star anymore, but a good player. Just not a player we need enough to overpay for. Plus last season, Hayward was very inconsistent in terms of scoring. Check the game log, there are as many 7, 8, 9 pts games as there are 30+ games. 18 pts and 6 assists is nice but we have to move on.
I think you’re right, he’ll be around 18 ppg with elite shooting. I guess we can quibble if that’s enough production for a third option, but you’re correct to point out that guys who have averaged around those numbers for us (Hayward, Kemba) are playing on max contracts. For the price of Hayward or Kemba, we could have essentially had Fournier, Richardson and Schroder. The problem was, we decided to cheap out instead.
I don't understand this. Hayward is $30M, Kemba is now $9M, and Fournier is $17M, total $56M. Instead, we have Horford ($28M), Richardson ($12M), and Schroder ($6M), total $46M. I think what you are saying is somehow trade Kemba for Fournier and Richardson while signing Schroder so we don't end up with Horford?
That is really a whole new debate, to have Fournier instead of Horford?
No, I’m saying that the Celts originally had two max salary slots, allocated to Kemba ($35 million) and Hayward. If Horford takes one of those slots in the short term, there would have been money to fill the other slot with Fournier, Richardson and Schroder (whose combined salaries are roughly Kemba’s).
OK, I know you really feel that the Celtics are cheap for not signing Fournier but I think the progression is as follows:
2019 Hayward + Walker, about $65M
2020 Walker + Thompson + Teague + Fournier (half Season)
2021 Horford + Richardson + Schroder
What you are not figuring into this is that in 2020, Brown went to a max and in 2021 Tatum went max. Fournier at $17M is not that bad of a contract, it is actually a fair contract for what you expect to get from him. We just didn't need another wing. Brad had a good look at Fournier and decided not to sign him. I don't see it as them wanting him but not having the money. Who knows though.
In my mind, Fournier does not solve any problem, just gives us more options at a position we are already stacked at (Brown, Tatum, Richardson, Langford, Nesmith, and Smart sometimes). Now if Fournier was a comparably talented legit big and they let him go, I would be with you.
