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Re: Are we witnessing Jayson Tatum becoming a top 5 NBA player?
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2022, 10:27:04 AM »

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Re: Are we witnessing Jayson Tatum becoming a top 5 NBA player?
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2022, 11:28:03 AM »

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Re: Are we witnessing Jayson Tatum becoming a top 5 NBA player?
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2022, 12:16:00 PM »

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What a crazy inconsistent season for Tatum.

There was all this chatter about him being vocal before the Atlanta game about everyone stepping up and keeping the winning streak going and then... 5/17 with 5 to's. Bad.

Not that that loss is all on him (Brown had 7 to's) but Tatum's inconsistency this season has been about as frustrating as anything.
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« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2022, 12:16:54 PM »

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Oz isn't wrong. All the talk was after two amazing games and then Tatum laid an egg last night. The main component of being a top 5-10 star in the league is to CONSISTENTLY  be amazing. Not be amazing for two games then not good for a game then amazing for a game then meh to bad for three then rinse and repeat for the next 7 games.

Tatum has shot poorly all year. His scoring on most nights sure seems like stat padding on a bad team by scoring 26 points on a ton of night on 24-26 shots. He shoots a whole bunch of bad shots out of the rhythm of the offense every night. That simply is not top 5 NBA player material.

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« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2022, 12:28:21 PM »

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Oz isn't wrong. All the talk was after two amazing games and then Tatum laid an egg last night. The main component of being a top 5-10 star in the league is to CONSISTENTLY  be amazing. Not be amazing for two games then not good for a game then amazing for a game then meh to bad for three then rinse and repeat for the next 7 games.

Tatum has shot poorly all year. His scoring on most nights sure seems like stat padding on a bad team by scoring 26 points on a ton of night on 24-26 shots. He shoots a whole bunch of bad shots out of the rhythm of the offense every night. That simply is not top 5 NBA player material.

As the OP of this thread I resemble that remark!!

But seriously, Tatum seemed to abandon his driving hard to the hoop early on after he got his shot blocked, and resorted to jump shots.  That was unfortunate, and he indicated as much in his post game comments.

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« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2022, 01:02:39 PM »

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« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2022, 01:03:02 PM »

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Tatum needed a large dose of humility.  Towards the end of last season he was making remarks about how he already is one the best players in the league.  The obvious truth is that he is nowhere close to that.  I hope that this season is that serving of humility, and that he realizes how much he needs to improve to reach an elite level.  I'm not trying to bash the guy.  But right now he's really more of a poor man's Carmelo Anthony. 

The reasons for our struggles are certainly multifactorial.  I've been a huge critic of Ime as have many others.  Our roster is clearly flawed and lacks shooting.  But how much blame does Tatum deserve for our struggles this year?  He's had tons of poor shooting games, and our 4th quarter droughts seem to revolve largely around his tendency to play at a slow pace and iso.  As a side note I'd like to add that Al's disappearance offensively this season is also a huge factor.


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« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2022, 01:24:02 PM »

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« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2022, 01:56:09 PM »

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It seems like whenever Tatum starts going out of his way to create space to launch 3's, that's generally going to be a bad-Tatum game.  Absolutely horrible shot attempts, and he's going at it like it's the most desirable shot in the NBA if he can get one off.

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« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2022, 02:17:26 PM »

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It seems like whenever Tatum starts going out of his way to create space to launch 3's, that's generally going to be a bad-Tatum game.  Absolutely horrible shot attempts, and he's going at it like it's the most desirable shot in the NBA if he can get one off.
Same flaw as Paul George that held PG13 back from becoming a top line offensive player. That settling for long distance jump-shots off the dribble instead of driving more and getting to the rim for easier shots or to the FT line for easy points.

Also comparable links between PG13 and Tatum in terms of ball-handling and passing limitations. Those stopped PG13 from becoming a Tracy McGrady type multi-faceted offensive weapon.

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« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2022, 03:02:19 PM »

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It seems like whenever Tatum starts going out of his way to create space to launch 3's, that's generally going to be a bad-Tatum game.  Absolutely horrible shot attempts, and he's going at it like it's the most desirable shot in the NBA if he can get one off.
Same flaw as Paul George that held PG13 back from becoming a top line offensive player. That settling for long distance jump-shots off the dribble instead of driving more and getting to the rim for easier shots or to the FT line for easy points.

Also comparable links between PG13 and Tatum in terms of ball-handling and passing limitations. Those stopped PG13 from becoming a Tracy McGrady type multi-faceted offensive weapon.


Tatum = Paul George

I'm not sure what the comp is for Brown. A lesser scoring focused wing. Not on the level of Middleton but better than, say, Harrison Barnes.

Would we expect a team built around Paul George and Khris Middleton, without any comparable third talent, to be particularly good?
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« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2022, 04:29:05 PM »

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Oz isn't wrong. All the talk was after two amazing games and then Tatum laid an egg last night. The main component of being a top 5-10 star in the league is to CONSISTENTLY  be amazing. Not be amazing for two games then not good for a game then amazing for a game then meh to bad for three then rinse and repeat for the next 7 games.

Tatum has shot poorly all year. His scoring on most nights sure seems like stat padding on a bad team by scoring 26 points on a ton of night on 24-26 shots. He shoots a whole bunch of bad shots out of the rhythm of the offense every night. That simply is not top 5 NBA player material.
Is it? Steph Curry, James Harden and Paul George have all been wildly inconsistent in their shooting this season, yet I don't think many would argue that they are not top 10. Maybe PG13 isn't, but Harden and Curry are firmly in it.

Steph Curry in particular has been very much like that this season. He almost has as many games under 30% from the field as he does over 50% from the field, and yet none of this kind of criticism is directed his way. In fact, he's been in MVP talks all year. The wonders of competent coaching.
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« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2022, 04:29:57 PM »

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It seems like whenever Tatum starts going out of his way to create space to launch 3's, that's generally going to be a bad-Tatum game.  Absolutely horrible shot attempts, and he's going at it like it's the most desirable shot in the NBA if he can get one off.
Same flaw as Paul George that held PG13 back from becoming a top line offensive player. That settling for long distance jump-shots off the dribble instead of driving more and getting to the rim for easier shots or to the FT line for easy points.

Also comparable links between PG13 and Tatum in terms of ball-handling and passing limitations. Those stopped PG13 from becoming a Tracy McGrady type multi-faceted offensive weapon.


Tatum = Paul George

I'm not sure what the comp is for Brown. A lesser scoring focused wing. Not on the level of Middleton but better than, say, Harrison Barnes.

Would we expect a team built around Paul George and Khris Middleton, without any comparable third talent, to be particularly good?
Given Paul George was an MVP candidate prior to his shoulder injuries and Middleton has proven to be a capable #2 alongside an MVP level talent, maybe.
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« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2022, 04:35:46 PM »

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It seems like whenever Tatum starts going out of his way to create space to launch 3's, that's generally going to be a bad-Tatum game.  Absolutely horrible shot attempts, and he's going at it like it's the most desirable shot in the NBA if he can get one off.
Same flaw as Paul George that held PG13 back from becoming a top line offensive player. That settling for long distance jump-shots off the dribble instead of driving more and getting to the rim for easier shots or to the FT line for easy points.

Also comparable links between PG13 and Tatum in terms of ball-handling and passing limitations. Those stopped PG13 from becoming a Tracy McGrady type multi-faceted offensive weapon.


Tatum = Paul George

I'm not sure what the comp is for Brown. A lesser scoring focused wing. Not on the level of Middleton but better than, say, Harrison Barnes.

Would we expect a team built around Paul George and Khris Middleton, without any comparable third talent, to be particularly good?
Given Paul George was an MVP candidate prior to his shoulder injuries and Middleton has proven to be a capable #2 alongside an MVP level talent, maybe.


Should he have ever really been talked about as a MVP candidate? When did Paul George ever carry a team?

Early in his career his Pacers teams went deep into the playoffs ...when his team was loaded with talent.  Sound familiar?

At the apex of his individual ability, George's Thunder teams won about 50 games and lost in the first round.

Hmmm....
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« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2022, 05:01:36 PM »

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It seems like whenever Tatum starts going out of his way to create space to launch 3's, that's generally going to be a bad-Tatum game.  Absolutely horrible shot attempts, and he's going at it like it's the most desirable shot in the NBA if he can get one off.
Same flaw as Paul George that held PG13 back from becoming a top line offensive player. That settling for long distance jump-shots off the dribble instead of driving more and getting to the rim for easier shots or to the FT line for easy points.

Also comparable links between PG13 and Tatum in terms of ball-handling and passing limitations. Those stopped PG13 from becoming a Tracy McGrady type multi-faceted offensive weapon.


Tatum = Paul George

I'm not sure what the comp is for Brown. A lesser scoring focused wing. Not on the level of Middleton but better than, say, Harrison Barnes.

Would we expect a team built around Paul George and Khris Middleton, without any comparable third talent, to be particularly good?
Given Paul George was an MVP candidate prior to his shoulder injuries and Middleton has proven to be a capable #2 alongside an MVP level talent, maybe.


Should he have ever really been talked about as a MVP candidate? When did Paul George ever carry a team?

Early in his career his Pacers teams went deep into the playoffs ...when his team was loaded with talent.  Sound familiar?

At the apex of his individual ability, George's Thunder teams won about 50 games and lost in the first round.

Hmmm....
He was incredible in his final season at OKC. Winning doesn't determine how good a player is, ya know?
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