« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2022, 09:07:40 AM »
I think I'm with Who on this one in that, I don't know that the trade makes Philly better (or at least better than other options). Harris is better than Barnes. Not a better shooter, but a better rebounder and passer who can do more with the ball and is a more varied and prolific scorer, and thus is a better fit with Embiid. Losing Thybulle would hurt their defense a lot, especially for Hield who is a terrible defender. Hield is obviously a much better shooter, but they don't really need shooting, especially without Simmons and his non-shooting not being on the floor. Obviously Halliburton is better than a guy not playing, but they can get more for Simmons alone than just Halliburton and a couple of 1st's. They are much better off just doing something like McCollum for Simmons straight up (though I think they could get more than just McCollum). That trade makes them better than this proposed one with the Kings.
This is pretty misguided across the board, IMO. You're overvaluing Simmons. And you're undervaluing Haliburton pretty badly.
Agree. I think a lot of teams, if given the choice between Halliburton and Simmons, straight up, would take Halliburton. Even with no pick attached. He’s not the same level of defender, but he is an excellent shooter and facilitator. Assist numbers this year are comparable to Simmons, even though he has far inferior teammates to set up and has the ball in his hands a lot less. When Fox went into the protocol. He was dishing more than 10/game.
And - by all accounts he’s an excellent teammate, glue guy, and leader. Which Simmons, most definitely, is not. Who do I want taking or setting up the last shot in a big game? Not the one-dimensional player whose limitations are widely known.
Also - Tobias Harris’ contract is a bad contract for the team. He’s overpaid, which is why Morey is shopping him.
It isn't Haliburton vs. Simmons, it is Haliburton vs. McCollum. If I'm the Sixers, I'd rather have McCollum if the goal is to win the title over the next couple of seasons.
You never look at fit. Ever.
The 76ers have Curry and Maxey. You can largely waste those players by choosing McCollum or you can look for a way to work with two points who can score but aren't really playmakers.
The fit is better with McCollum. The Sixers biggest problem over the last 5 years is they haven't had a good enough 2nd scorer next to Embiid (outside of the 1 season of Butler when they were a bounced ball away from beating eventual champion Toronto). They need a legit #2 scoring option, which is why McCollum makes way more sense. If the Sixers did that trade with Sacramento, who is the #2 scorer? Barnes, Haliburton, ugh, and they don't even have Harris in that trade (Harris is really a #3 scorer, but is still better at it then anyone coming over from Sacto). That trade takes Philly further away from a title this year and hinges their entire championship hopes on creating cap space and then trying to land a prime time player into it. That is an uber risky strategy and absolutely would waste this year.
Philly is much closer to a title with Embiid as the #1, McCollum as the #2, and Harris as the #3, supported by Thybulle, Maxey, Curry, Green, Milton, Niang, Korkmaz, and Drummond then they'd be with Embiid as the #1, Barnes as the #2, Hield as the #3, and Haliburton as the play maker with Maxey, Curry, Milton, Niang, Korkmaz, and Drummond. Frankly, I don't think it is even close.
Now as Celtics2021 points out, if the goal is to give up on the season to create future cap space and get more future assets to try to contend in the future, then sure the Sacramento trade has more merit, but I can't see the Sixers giving up title hopes this year, especially given just how good Embiid has been playing.
Sorry I got to correct this every time I see it here or anywhere else. The 76ers were not a bounced ball away from beating the raptors. It was a tied game. Their best case scenario was it missed and went to overtime. For years people have acted like the 76ers were up 2 and Leonard hit a crazy 3 (and not talking about you on this specific part mo, you only had the bounced ball part wrong) They were a bounced ball away from having a chance to beat them in overtime (and on the road no less) and this was in the semi finals. They still could have lost the next round and of course in the finals. They were not really that close but this has become like nba folk lore.
Off topic: how is it that I end up quoted in this thread even though I didn't state any of these? I see it alot here -- where the quoted person is one response off.
Your other account appears to be properly quoted.
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