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Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #150 on: August 15, 2021, 06:31:45 PM »

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Horford (22) / Williams (26)
Tatum (34) / Parker (10) / Horford (4)
Brown (34) / Nesmith (14)
Smart (24) / Richardson (24)
Schroder (24) / Pritchard (20) / Smart (4)

That's how I'd go with the minutes. In total:
Tatum (34)
Brown (34)
Smart (28)
Horford (28)
Timelord (26)
Richardson (24)
Schroder (24)
Pritchard (20)
Nesmith (14)
Parker (10)
And as I mentioned before, the MPG would actually be higher as players will miss games meaning other will play more MPG to replace the injured player.

So looking at PG alone, at the end of the year the actual MPG probably ends up more like Schroder 27, Pritchard 22 and Smart 7-8(at the PG spot alone).

Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #151 on: August 15, 2021, 07:02:11 PM »

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Horford (22) / Williams (26)
Tatum (34) / Parker (10) / Horford (4)
Brown (34) / Nesmith (14)
Smart (24) / Richardson (24)
Schroder (24) / Pritchard (20) / Smart (4)

That's how I'd go with the minutes. In total:
Tatum (34)
Brown (34)
Smart (28)
Horford (28)
Timelord (26)
Richardson (24)
Schroder (24)
Pritchard (20)
Nesmith (14)
Parker (10)
And as I mentioned before, the MPG would actually be higher as players will miss games meaning other will play more MPG to replace the injured player.

So looking at PG alone, at the end of the year the actual MPG probably ends up more like Schroder 27, Pritchard 22 and Smart 7-8(at the PG spot alone).
Yeah, exactly. Plus Kanter and Grant will get minutes here and there, especially with the likely Jabari Parker injury
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Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #152 on: August 15, 2021, 09:07:52 PM »

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Horford (22) / Williams (26)
Tatum (34) / Parker (10) / Horford (4)
Brown (34) / Nesmith (14)
Smart (24) / Richardson (24)
Schroder (24) / Pritchard (20) / Smart (4)

That's how I'd go with the minutes. In total:
Tatum (34)
Brown (34)
Smart (28)
Horford (28)
Timelord (26)
Richardson (24)
Schroder (24)
Pritchard (20)
Nesmith (14)
Parker (10)
And as I mentioned before, the MPG would actually be higher as players will miss games meaning other will play more MPG to replace the injured player.

So looking at PG alone, at the end of the year the actual MPG probably ends up more like Schroder 27, Pritchard 22 and Smart 7-8(at the PG spot alone).
Yeah, exactly. Plus Kanter and Grant will get minutes here and there, especially with the likely Jabari Parker injury
Can’t wait to check back on these projections during the season. I suspect they will be some head scratching.

Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #153 on: August 15, 2021, 10:50:07 PM »

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Horford (22) / Williams (26)
Tatum (34) / Parker (10) / Horford (4)
Brown (34) / Nesmith (14)
Smart (24) / Richardson (24)
Schroder (24) / Pritchard (20) / Smart (4)

That's how I'd go with the minutes. In total:
Tatum (34)
Brown (34)
Smart (28)
Horford (28)
Timelord (26)
Richardson (24)
Schroder (24)
Pritchard (20)
Nesmith (14)
Parker (10)
And as I mentioned before, the MPG would actually be higher as players will miss games meaning other will play more MPG to replace the injured player.

So looking at PG alone, at the end of the year the actual MPG probably ends up more like Schroder 27, Pritchard 22 and Smart 7-8(at the PG spot alone).
Yeah, exactly. Plus Kanter and Grant will get minutes here and there, especially with the likely Jabari Parker injury
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Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #154 on: August 16, 2021, 01:57:31 AM »

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Horford (22) / Williams (26)
Tatum (34) / Parker (10) / Horford (4)
Brown (34) / Nesmith (14)
Smart (24) / Richardson (24)
Schroder (24) / Pritchard (20) / Smart (4)

That's how I'd go with the minutes. In total:
Tatum (34)
Brown (34)
Smart (28)
Horford (28)
Timelord (26)
Richardson (24)
Schroder (24)
Pritchard (20)
Nesmith (14)
Parker (10)
9-man rotation:

PG: Schroder (28) - Smart (10) - Pritchard (10)
SG: Brown (12) - Pritchard (14) - JRich (12) - Smart (10)
SF: Nesmith (24) - Brown (8 ) - JRich (12) - Smart (4)
PF: Tatum (32) - Brown (12) - Smart (4)
C: Horford (24) - Timelord (24)

Minutes in total:
Tatum, Brown: 32 each
Schroder, Smart: 28 each
Horford, Timelord, JRich, Pritchard, Nesmith: 24 each

(or something along these lines)

Kanter would be my 10th guy. He'd get playing time depending on matchups/injuries. Jabari would be my 11th guy. Wouldn't use anybody else unless we are battling with injuries or/and it's Gino time.

I reckon we could have a use for an off-ball specialist alongside Tatum, Brown and Schroder. With this in mind, I'd start Nesmith. I'd love us to give even more playing time to Pritchard, but we are very deep at ball handlers. Wouldn't be against decreasing Schroder's minutes in favour of Pritchard's.

I'm low on Jabari. I'd rather use Brown as our backup 4. Per cleaningtheglass.com, he played 8% of his minutes at PF last season. I could even see Smart providing some cover at the 4.

I'd rather use Smart on the ball instead of Pritchard. Smart is a mediocre shooter. Pritchard is perfectly suited to play off the ball.
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Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #155 on: August 16, 2021, 08:55:30 AM »

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Horford (22) / Williams (26)
Tatum (34) / Parker (10) / Horford (4)
Brown (34) / Nesmith (14)
Smart (24) / Richardson (24)
Schroder (24) / Pritchard (20) / Smart (4)

That's how I'd go with the minutes. In total:
Tatum (34)
Brown (34)
Smart (28)
Horford (28)
Timelord (26)
Richardson (24)
Schroder (24)
Pritchard (20)
Nesmith (14)
Parker (10)
9-man rotation:

PG: Schroder (28) - Smart (10) - Pritchard (10)
SG: Brown (12) - Pritchard (14) - JRich (12) - Smart (10)
SF: Nesmith (24) - Brown (8 ) - JRich (12) - Smart (4)
PF: Tatum (32) - Brown (12) - Smart (4)
C: Horford (24) - Timelord (24)

Minutes in total:
Tatum, Brown: 32 each
Schroder, Smart: 28 each
Horford, Timelord, JRich, Pritchard, Nesmith: 24 each

(or something along these lines)

Kanter would be my 10th guy. He'd get playing time depending on matchups/injuries. Jabari would be my 11th guy. Wouldn't use anybody else unless we are battling with injuries or/and it's Gino time.

I reckon we could have a use for an off-ball specialist alongside Tatum, Brown and Schroder. With this in mind, I'd start Nesmith. I'd love us to give even more playing time to Pritchard, but we are very deep at ball handlers. Wouldn't be against decreasing Schroder's minutes in favour of Pritchard's.

I'm low on Jabari. I'd rather use Brown as our backup 4. Per cleaningtheglass.com, he played 8% of his minutes at PF last season. I could even see Smart providing some cover at the 4.

I'd rather use Smart on the ball instead of Pritchard. Smart is a mediocre shooter. Pritchard is perfectly suited to play off the ball.
Brown and Smart aren't going to play PF this year, at least not with regular consistency (a few minutes here and there, but not game in and game out).

PG - Schroder 30, Smart 8, Pritchard 10
SG - Smart 22, Richardson 26
SF - Brown 35, Nesmith 13
PF - Tatum 36, Parker/G. Williams 12
C - Horford 24, R. Williams 24

Something like that.  Kanter will probably play most every night, but will be heavily match-up dependent and no set rotation.  Parker and Grant will be heavily match-up dependent on who plays. 
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Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #156 on: August 16, 2021, 10:12:14 AM »

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G - Schroeder, Pritchard
W - Smart, Nesmtih
W - Brown, Nesmith
W - Tatum, Richardson
B -  Williams, Horford

If Nesmith continues to show the improvement we've seen this summer, he's going to get more minutes backing up the wings than Richardson will as the season progresses. A player as below average as Richardson is offensively is too big of a handicap to carry a lot of minutes, regardless of how good he is defensively.

Parker is another wildcard. If he shows up for camp out of shape, I doubt he'll even be on the roster. Then again, he could show up ready to play, and tease us with the occasional big game as he has other teams for years.

Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #157 on: August 16, 2021, 10:30:36 AM »

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PG - Schroder 30, Smart 8, Pritchard 10
SG - Smart 22, Richardson 26
SF - Brown 35, Nesmith 13
PF - Tatum 36, Parker/G. Williams 12
C - Horford 24, R. Williams 24

Something like that.  Kanter will probably play most every night, but will be heavily match-up dependent and no set rotation.  Parker and Grant will be heavily match-up dependent on who plays.

I agree with certain key aspects of this.  First, I agree that Schroder will be the primary PG for the team with Pritchard as the primary back up.  If Dunn is still on the team, he can provide a different defensive look as an alternate back up to Pritchard but not regular minutes.  There is really no reason to play Smart at PG at all, but if he is still on the team, maybe 8 minutes, I don't know, I suspect less than that.

As to the PFs though (Parker, GWilliams, Fernando), it is a sorry group but I feel they are going to need to play more than 12 minutes total.  Further, I don't see us playing two of Horford, RWilliams, and Kanter at the same time as a way to get a second big on the court, just as this prior post indicates.  Last season, GWill had 18 min and Parker 14 min (while with Boston).  That is 32 min.  Semi played 17 min in addition (I know the box score minutes and the kind of average rotation projection minutes aren't the same but this is still 49 min vs 12 min projected for PFs).   It may not be that much this season but I think more than 12 min.

I call it the Hayward line up, that is when we principally used the 1 big approach.  That will be used and I think it will be Schroder-Brown-Richardson-Tatum-Horford mostly, but you just can't play the whole game that way or the whole season.  Especially when it is resulting in your best player being forced to play out of position.


Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #158 on: August 16, 2021, 11:03:49 AM »

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Horford (22) / Williams (26)
Tatum (34) / Parker (10) / Horford (4)
Brown (34) / Nesmith (14)
Smart (24) / Richardson (24)
Schroder (24) / Pritchard (20) / Smart (4)

That's how I'd go with the minutes. In total:
Tatum (34)
Brown (34)
Smart (28)
Horford (28)
Timelord (26)
Richardson (24)
Schroder (24)
Pritchard (20)
Nesmith (14)
Parker (10)
And as I mentioned before, the MPG would actually be higher as players will miss games meaning other will play more MPG to replace the injured player.

So looking at PG alone, at the end of the year the actual MPG probably ends up more like Schroder 27, Pritchard 22 and Smart 7-8(at the PG spot alone).

I would hope that Nesmith plays 24+ regularly, and Richardson takes what's left and plays more when someone is out.

I'd also say that Shroder and Smart isn't appealing as a pairing, with both needing the ball and not enough shooting. Smart makes the most sense with Pritchard, and Shroder fits better with Nesmith.

It's also occurred to me that none of us knows how the new coach feels about any of this or what his priorities are. I assume we will all be surprised some.

Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #159 on: August 16, 2021, 11:13:15 AM »

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I’m still really concerned with shooting in the backcourt. Smart, Schroeder, and Richardson are all good defenders but sub-par from deep.

A solution to this would be a starting lineup of Pritchard, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and R Williams. Pritchard’s  ability to shoot from very deep, plus Timelord as a lob threat, solves a lot of problems.

A second unit that includes players like Schroeder, Richardson, and Langford (and for that matter, Dunn) needs to have Nesmith on the floor. Otherwise it would be a clogged mess offensively.

I guess the point is that you need one of Pritchard or Nesmith, or possibly Horford, out there most of the time to make sure you’ve got enough shooting on the floor.


Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #160 on: August 16, 2021, 11:15:56 AM »

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Horford (22) / Williams (26)
Tatum (34) / Parker (10) / Horford (4)
Brown (34) / Nesmith (14)
Smart (24) / Richardson (24)
Schroder (24) / Pritchard (20) / Smart (4)

That's how I'd go with the minutes. In total:
Tatum (34)
Brown (34)
Smart (28)
Horford (28)
Timelord (26)
Richardson (24)
Schroder (24)
Pritchard (20)
Nesmith (14)
Parker (10)
9-man rotation:

PG: Schroder (28) - Smart (10) - Pritchard (10)
SG: Brown (12) - Pritchard (14) - JRich (12) - Smart (10)
SF: Nesmith (24) - Brown (8 ) - JRich (12) - Smart (4)
PF: Tatum (32) - Brown (12) - Smart (4)
C: Horford (24) - Timelord (24)

Minutes in total:
Tatum, Brown: 32 each
Schroder, Smart: 28 each
Horford, Timelord, JRich, Pritchard, Nesmith: 24 each

(or something along these lines)

Kanter would be my 10th guy. He'd get playing time depending on matchups/injuries. Jabari would be my 11th guy. Wouldn't use anybody else unless we are battling with injuries or/and it's Gino time.

I reckon we could have a use for an off-ball specialist alongside Tatum, Brown and Schroder. With this in mind, I'd start Nesmith. I'd love us to give even more playing time to Pritchard, but we are very deep at ball handlers. Wouldn't be against decreasing Schroder's minutes in favour of Pritchard's.

I'm low on Jabari. I'd rather use Brown as our backup 4. Per cleaningtheglass.com, he played 8% of his minutes at PF last season. I could even see Smart providing some cover at the 4.

I'd rather use Smart on the ball instead of Pritchard. Smart is a mediocre shooter. Pritchard is perfectly suited to play off the ball.
Brown and Smart aren't going to play PF this year, at least not with regular consistency (a few minutes here and there, but not game in and game out).
Don't expect Nesmith to start either (at least not early in the season). I just posted what I would do.

More and more teams are going small. PJ Washington is 6'7'', yet he played 46% of his minutes at Center last season. Likewise, Draymond Green is 6'7'' and he played 44% of his minutes at Center last season. Daniel Theis is 6'8'' and he's now regarded a legit Center. He was a PF when he entered the league 4 years ago. You want another exaple? Precious Achiuwa is 6'8'' and he played 98% of his minutes at Center last season. I could go on and on...

The C's are very deep at ball handlers. I bet we'll see plenty of lineups with at least 2 of Schroder/Smart/Pritchard sharing the court. We are also worryingly thin at swings and traditional PFs. It makes perfect sense to go small and use multiple ball handlers and (s)wings at the same time. Brown has already played lots of minutes at the 4 throughout his career. Smart can provide cover 1 through 4 on defense. They are both very versatile defenders. Don't see why we cannot play them at the 4. I'd much rather play Brown/Smart over Jabari/Grant.

Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #161 on: August 16, 2021, 11:19:10 AM »

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PG - Schroder 30, Smart 8, Pritchard 10
SG - Smart 22, Richardson 26
SF - Brown 35, Nesmith 13
PF - Tatum 36, Parker/G. Williams 12
C - Horford 24, R. Williams 24

Something like that.  Kanter will probably play most every night, but will be heavily match-up dependent and no set rotation.  Parker and Grant will be heavily match-up dependent on who plays.

I agree with certain key aspects of this.  First, I agree that Schroder will be the primary PG for the team with Pritchard as the primary back up.  If Dunn is still on the team, he can provide a different defensive look as an alternate back up to Pritchard but not regular minutes.  There is really no reason to play Smart at PG at all, but if he is still on the team, maybe 8 minutes, I don't know, I suspect less than that.

As to the PFs though (Parker, GWilliams, Fernando), it is a sorry group but I feel they are going to need to play more than 12 minutes total.  Further, I don't see us playing two of Horford, RWilliams, and Kanter at the same time as a way to get a second big on the court, just as this prior post indicates.  Last season, GWill had 18 min and Parker 14 min (while with Boston).  That is 32 min.  Semi played 17 min in addition (I know the box score minutes and the kind of average rotation projection minutes aren't the same but this is still 49 min vs 12 min projected for PFs).   It may not be that much this season but I think more than 12 min.

I call it the Hayward line up, that is when we principally used the 1 big approach.  That will be used and I think it will be Schroder-Brown-Richardson-Tatum-Horford mostly, but you just can't play the whole game that way or the whole season.  Especially when it is resulting in your best player being forced to play out of position.
Parker was playing more minutes (and Grant) because there were so many injuries and not as much guard depth.  With better guard depth and with the roster as currently constructed, I don't see Tatum playing anything but PF and Tatum is going to play around 36 mpg (just as he did last year).  With Horford and Kanter (in addition to RW), I also don't think Parker or G. Williams will be playing center this year.  This is of course discussing a fully healthy roster, which we all know isn't going to happen every game.  There will be missed games which will adjust the rotation and minutes. 

I do agree with you though, Tatum should not be playing PF much, if at all, but with this roster, he has to.  That is why I'd be fine with with a Smart + non-Nesmith young guy for Gallinari or other similar level PF.  That would provide a real PF and allow Tatum to play at SF where he should be playing. 

So if you traded Smart + G. Williams for Gallinari that would leave the rotation something like this:

PG - Schroder 30, Pritchard/Dunn 18
SG - Brown 29, Richardson 19
SF - Tatum 24, Brown 6, Nesmith 18
PF - Gallinari 24, Tatum 12, Parker 12
C - Horford 24, R. Williams 24

That just makes a lot more sense to me.  Clears up some of the log jam in the backcourt and just provides for a better more cohesive roster construction with Tatum playing the majority of his time at SF where he belongs.  It also gets more minutes available for Nesmith and Pritchard so the team can really see what they might become.  Langford won't play much barring injury or his ability to just take minutes from Richardson, but at least with that sort of trade there is more potential for minutes for him. 
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Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #162 on: August 16, 2021, 01:37:46 PM »

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DNPs should factor into PT avg. So that's why I'm a little reluctant to give minutes break down for regular season. Tatum, Smart, Schro, Al, TL and Brown will likely only play 74 games or less. That's a lot a games for avgs of other guys minutes to go up.

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« Reply #163 on: August 16, 2021, 03:11:49 PM »

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Horford (22) / Williams (26)
Tatum (34) / Parker (10) / Horford (4)
Brown (34) / Nesmith (14)
Smart (24) / Richardson (24)
Schroder (24) / Pritchard (20) / Smart (4)

That's how I'd go with the minutes. In total:
Tatum (34)
Brown (34)
Smart (28)
Horford (28)
Timelord (26)
Richardson (24)
Schroder (24)
Pritchard (20)
Nesmith (14)
Parker (10)
9-man rotation:

PG: Schroder (28) - Smart (10) - Pritchard (10)
SG: Brown (12) - Pritchard (14) - JRich (12) - Smart (10)
SF: Nesmith (24) - Brown (8 ) - JRich (12) - Smart (4)
PF: Tatum (32) - Brown (12) - Smart (4)
C: Horford (24) - Timelord (24)

Minutes in total:
Tatum, Brown: 32 each
Schroder, Smart: 28 each
Horford, Timelord, JRich, Pritchard, Nesmith: 24 each

(or something along these lines)

Kanter would be my 10th guy. He'd get playing time depending on matchups/injuries. Jabari would be my 11th guy. Wouldn't use anybody else unless we are battling with injuries or/and it's Gino time.

I reckon we could have a use for an off-ball specialist alongside Tatum, Brown and Schroder. With this in mind, I'd start Nesmith. I'd love us to give even more playing time to Pritchard, but we are very deep at ball handlers. Wouldn't be against decreasing Schroder's minutes in favour of Pritchard's.

I'm low on Jabari. I'd rather use Brown as our backup 4. Per cleaningtheglass.com, he played 8% of his minutes at PF last season. I could even see Smart providing some cover at the 4.

I'd rather use Smart on the ball instead of Pritchard. Smart is a mediocre shooter. Pritchard is perfectly suited to play off the ball.
Brown and Smart aren't going to play PF this year, at least not with regular consistency (a few minutes here and there, but not game in and game out).
Don't expect Nesmith to start either (at least not early in the season). I just posted what I would do.

More and more teams are going small. PJ Washington is 6'7'', yet he played 46% of his minutes at Center last season. Likewise, Draymond Green is 6'7'' and he played 44% of his minutes at Center last season. Daniel Theis is 6'8'' and he's now regarded a legit Center. He was a PF when he entered the league 4 years ago. You want another exaple? Precious Achiuwa is 6'8'' and he played 98% of his minutes at Center last season. I could go on and on...

The C's are very deep at ball handlers. I bet we'll see plenty of lineups with at least 2 of Schroder/Smart/Pritchard sharing the court. We are also worryingly thin at swings and traditional PFs. It makes perfect sense to go small and use multiple ball handlers and (s)wings at the same time. Brown has already played lots of minutes at the 4 throughout his career. Smart can provide cover 1 through 4 on defense. They are both very versatile defenders. Don't see why we cannot play them at the 4. I'd much rather play Brown/Smart over Jabari/Grant.

I think what you're getting at is to just start Nesmith or Richardson along with Smart, the Jays, and a big (R Williams or Horford). You'd have switchable defenders 1-4 and enough strength and muscle to guard most opposing starting fives.

Re: Celtics Depth Chart 2021-2022 season
« Reply #164 on: August 16, 2021, 04:07:36 PM »

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As to the PFs though (Parker, GWilliams, Fernando), it is a sorry group but I feel they are going to need to play more than 12 minutes total.  Further, I don't see us playing two of Horford, RWilliams, and Kanter at the same time as a way to get a second big on the court, just as this prior post indicates.  Last season, GWill had 18 min and Parker 14 min (while with Boston).  That is 32 min.  Semi played 17 min in addition (I know the box score minutes and the kind of average rotation projection minutes aren't the same but this is still 49 min vs 12 min projected for PFs).   It may not be that much this season but I think more than 12 min.
Parker was playing more minutes (and Grant) because there were so many injuries and not as much guard depth.  With better guard depth and with the roster as currently constructed, I don't see Tatum playing anything but PF and Tatum is going to play around 36 mpg (just as he did last year).  With Horford and Kanter (in addition to RW), I also don't think Parker or G. Williams will be playing center this year.  This is of course discussing a fully healthy roster, which we all know isn't going to happen every game.  There will be missed games which will adjust the rotation and minutes. 

I do agree with you though, Tatum should not be playing PF much, if at all, but with this roster, he has to.  That is why I'd be fine with with a Smart + non-Nesmith young guy for Gallinari or other similar level PF.  That would provide a real PF and allow Tatum to play at SF where he should be playing. 

I understand that injuries, foul trouble, etc are all going to affect the final season averages but I think this mental exercise is to assume the whole roster is available, what is the expected or baseline for minutes for a given game.  Also assumes that no one is in foul trouble and that there is no garbage time.

If GWilliams, Parker, or Ojeleye played more due to injuries, it was because of injuries to other bigs.  We played almost exclusively a traditional 2-big core line up until Theis was traded.  Even after Theis was traded, we mostly played with two bigs.

GWill, Parker, and Ojeleye had their playing time vary from game to game but on average, it was not all that much different before the Theis trade and after (Parker was only on the team after).  Even after the Theis trade, and we started with a 1-big line up, these 3 players saw the minutes indicated on average.

People just kind of make a blanket statement that we haven't played with a PF for several seasons and that is just not the case.  In fact there was only one season where our most used line up was a one big line up (2019-20 with Hayward).  Every other year for the last several, there was a PF or swing in our most used line up:

2016-17    Amir Johnson / Horford
2017-18    Horford / Baynes
2018-19    Horford / Morris
2019-20    Theis  / 3-wings (Hayward line up)
2020-21    Thompson / Theis (until we traded Theis)