NFL 2021 Season

[Roy H.]

Why do ppl continue to drive while they out drinking?? Some ppl will never learn but unfortunately for Ruggs, he learn the hard way..my best friend was killed by a drunk driver in 1988

It’s insane.  Call a car.

[gouki88]

156MPH is ridiculous. That poor young woman, and her pup. Hope he has a long prison stay

[PhoSita]

I don't know that it does the world any good to lock a person up forever for making such a horrible mistake. 

But it is a profound tragedy and I hope he uses whatever time and resources he has left to him to make amends.

[RPGenerate]

I don't know that it does the world any good to lock a person up forever for making such a horrible mistake. 

But it is a profound tragedy and I hope he uses whatever time and resources he has left to him to make amends.

I'd say taking away his ability to hurt someone again does the world a certain amount of good.

[gouki88]

I don't know that it does the world any good to lock a person up forever for making such a horrible mistake. 

But it is a profound tragedy and I hope he uses whatever time and resources he has left to him to make amends.

Maybe by preventing him from killing any more innocent people? DUI is one thing. DUI at 156MPH shows a complete and utter disregard for the safety of those around him.

[Moranis]

I don't know that it does the world any good to lock a person up forever for making such a horrible mistake. 

But it is a profound tragedy and I hope he uses whatever time and resources he has left to him to make amends.

Maybe by preventing him from killing any more innocent people? DUI is one thing. DUI at 156MPH shows a complete and utter disregard for the safety of those around him.

at 3:40 am and twice the legal limit.  I mean he is just checking off all of the boxes that add time to an offense. 

[gouki88]

I don't know that it does the world any good to lock a person up forever for making such a horrible mistake. 

But it is a profound tragedy and I hope he uses whatever time and resources he has left to him to make amends.

Maybe by preventing him from killing any more innocent people? DUI is one thing. DUI at 156MPH shows a complete and utter disregard for the safety of those around him.

at 3:40 am and twice the legal limit.  I mean he is just checking off all of the boxes that add time to an offense.

About as reckless as one can possibly drive.

To be honest, once I read the speed he was going at I thought he would have been far more under the influence than that.

[RPGenerate]

Is Ruggs getting the whole book thrown at him? It's starting to look like that. 15-20 years may be a realistic possibility.

[gouki88]

Is Ruggs getting the whole book thrown at him? It's starting to look like that. 15-20 years may be a realistic possibility.

Man, what a waste. He was looking at a pretty solid individual season (on track for 1000+ yards) and is still only 22. Decided to throw that all away.

Not like a millionaire pro athlete can't afford an uber. No excuse

[PhoSita]

I don't know that it does the world any good to lock a person up forever for making such a horrible mistake. 

But it is a profound tragedy and I hope he uses whatever time and resources he has left to him to make amends.

Maybe by preventing him from killing any more innocent people? DUI is one thing. DUI at 156MPH shows a complete and utter disregard for the safety of those around him.

Forcing him into treatment and taking away his right to drive a vehicle might accomplish the same thing.  Not to say that's all that should happen to him. 

But putting a person in a cage for years and either never letting them out or only letting them out when they're old ... that's an enormous thing to do.  I'm generally very skeptical of the societal value of locking people up, especially for extended periods of time.

It's satisfying from an emotional standpoint, but hard to justify in terms of the cost and when you look for actual tangible benefits. 

The sad truth in the wake of a tragedy like this is that the person who died can no longer contribute anything positive to the world.  It is still possible that Ruggs could.  That's not an argument against punishment of any kind, but I do think it's important to push back against our cultural programming which tells us that people who make horrible tragic mistakes like this should be thrown away and forgotten about.

[gouki88]

I don't know that it does the world any good to lock a person up forever for making such a horrible mistake. 

But it is a profound tragedy and I hope he uses whatever time and resources he has left to him to make amends.

Maybe by preventing him from killing any more innocent people? DUI is one thing. DUI at 156MPH shows a complete and utter disregard for the safety of those around him.

Forcing him into treatment and taking away his right to drive a vehicle might accomplish the same thing.  Not to say that's all that should happen to him. 

But putting a person in a cage for years and either never letting them out or only letting them out when they're old ... that's an enormous thing to do.  I'm generally very skeptical of the societal value of locking people up, especially for extended periods of time.

It's satisfying from an emotional standpoint, but hard to justify in terms of the cost and when you look for actual tangible benefits. 

The sad truth in the wake of a tragedy like this is that the person who died can no longer contribute anything positive to the world.  It is still possible that Ruggs could.  That's not an argument against punishment of any kind, but I do think it's important to push back against our cultural programming which tells us that people who make horrible tragic mistakes like this should be thrown away and forgotten about.

Rehabilitating someone is the primary goal, for sure.

But you don’t, nor shouldn’t get to show such little regard for the safety of the community, killing a human and an animal, without there being something taken away from you.

That Ruggs did this, given he lost his closest friend to a car crash as a teen, indicates to me that personal experience doesn’t really impact his behaviour.

[ozgod]

He'll be facing 20 years if found guilty.

[Birdman]

So sad to see a 23 innocent victim killed by a drunk driver but we all see it every day..ppl will never learn bout drinking and driving but Ruggs learn the hard way

[Neurotic Guy]

So sad to see a 23 innocent victim killed by a drunk driver but we all see it every day..ppl will never learn bout drinking and driving but Ruggs learn the hard way

True. Unfortunately education around drinking and driving only goes so far.  Can’t put an end to  impulsive, thoughtless behavior when young, drunk, and the key to a fast car are involved.   It happens with older people too of course but acting  “responsibly” is mitigated by life circumstances in a free society - and youth and alcohol are big mitigating factors.  To be clear I’m talking about the reality of one’s  own sense of responsibility being mitigated.  Almost all of us who are well past our youth can look back on foolish things we did — irresponsible things we did.  Some of them risky to ourselves and some risky to others.  For that reason I hope there is a better sentence than just 20 years in prison.  Of course I don’t know what the exact combination of time, loss of license, treatment, education, community service,… is right.  The result of his actions may feel deserving of 20 years in prison, but I do question the value of it. 

[tazzmaniac]

I don't know that it does the world any good to lock a person up forever for making such a horrible mistake. 

But it is a profound tragedy and I hope he uses whatever time and resources he has left to him to make amends.

Maybe by preventing him from killing any more innocent people? DUI is one thing. DUI at 156MPH shows a complete and utter disregard for the safety of those around him.

Forcing him into treatment and taking away his right to drive a vehicle might accomplish the same thing.  Not to say that's all that should happen to him. 

But putting a person in a cage for years and either never letting them out or only letting them out when they're old ... that's an enormous thing to do.  I'm generally very skeptical of the societal value of locking people up, especially for extended periods of time.

It's satisfying from an emotional standpoint, but hard to justify in terms of the cost and when you look for actual tangible benefits. 

The sad truth in the wake of a tragedy like this is that the person who died can no longer contribute anything positive to the world.  It is still possible that Ruggs could.  That's not an argument against punishment of any kind, but I do think it's important to push back against our cultural programming which tells us that people who make horrible tragic mistakes like this should be thrown away and forgotten about.

It wasn't a mistake.  He chose to drive after drinking too much rather than calling a car service.  He chose to drive 150+ miles per hour.  Bad choices are not mistakes. 

The value of locking Ruggs up is that it holds him accountable.  If society doesn't do that, victims will be justified to seek their own accountability.  The value of locking Ruggs up is that he can't drive drunk and kill someone else while he's incarcerated.  The value of locking Ruggs up is that it will positively impact other people's choices at least temporarily.  Someone is going to call a car service or make sure to have a designated driver.