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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rollie mass on May 24, 2018, 08:32:58 AM
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James must realize the annihilation that the Final would bring at the hands of all stars.
.Better to go out from the exhaustion of carrying a non supporting cast.The accumulation of minutes played this season to carry this team,this far, all year was Herculean.
I think outside coming back in Cleveland for one last win might be in his script.
But the Friday night game doesn't give him much time unless some trick of modern day medicine allows him a unreal recovery.
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He's older and plays a TON of minutes sooner or later that catches up to you. Is that what is going on now? I don't know.
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Father time is undefeated
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I've seen him have bad games before and I've seen him be dehydrated, but he looks like he's finally feeling his basketball age. It's an old team and this is their last ride. Doesn't mean we're going to win because our basketball age is really young and experience counts.
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Let's just remember that the game where people are claiming James failed physically he scored 26 points, shooting 50% from the field, grabbed 10 rebounds, and dished out 5 assists. He did have 6 turnovers and he played over 39 minutes. I'll take that sort of physical failure all of the time from my players.
The Cavs problems have been and continue to be that Ty Lue is a downright awful coach. He has no understanding of rotations, play calling, etc. He is just awful. I mean this a guy who said Kyle Korver didn't play more minutes because Semi Ojeleye was removed from Boston's rotation. Here is the exact quote "Well, initially, he's been putting Ojeleye in," Lue said of Stevens after the game Wednesday. "So that's been kind of Kyle's matchup when he comes in the game. He didn't play him tonight, so it kind of threw us for a loop." Semi Ojeleye not playing threw the Cavs for a loop and led to Korver playing only like 18 minutes. That sums up the Cavs problems and is all anyone really needs to know.
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As much as I hate him...I would be really worried about a game 7 with him willing the Cavs to a win. Need to get it done in Cleveland.
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Let's just remember that the game where people are claiming James failed physically he scored 26 points, shooting 50% from the field, grabbed 10 rebounds, and dished out 5 assists. He did have 6 turnovers and he played over 39 minutes. I'll take that sort of physical failure all of the time from my players.
The Cavs problems have been and continue to be that Ty Lue is a downright awful coach. He has no understanding of rotations, play calling, etc. He is just awful. I mean this a guy who said Kyle Korver didn't play more minutes because Semi Ojeleye was removed from Boston's rotation. Here is the exact quote "Well, initially, he's been putting Ojeleye in," Lue said of Stevens after the game Wednesday. "So that's been kind of Kyle's matchup when he comes in the game. He didn't play him tonight, so it kind of threw us for a loop." Semi Ojeleye not playing threw the Cavs for a loop and led to Korver playing only like 18 minutes. That sums up the Cavs problems and is all anyone really needs to know.
Agreed on both points. Lebron had a good game overall, just not a superhuman game. The tired narrative is overblown.
Lue is absolutely awful. JR Smith was proactively killing the Cavs on both ends of the floor and Lue insists on playing him major minutes. He also made absolutely no adjustment to Baynes joining the starting lineup. Your guys are older, slower, and more tired? You got some good, athletic young guys on the bench in Nance, Clarkson, Osman and Hood. Use them! They actually cut the lead in half when he went with them for a stretch,
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LBJ played more minutes than anyone during the regular season, and is leading the league again in the playoffs. This is on top of a heavy year-over-year burden. He's been in the finals 7 straight years, and he hasn't missed much due to injury. I'd be shocked if anybody has played more basketball than he has over the last seven years. It's got to catch up to you. Incredible he decided not to rest up toward the end of the year.
I'm kind of hoping the Lakers mortgage their future to get James and PG13, and it's not enough because LeBron has lost a step and, well, PG13 isn't his old self anymore either. If LeBron wants to chase a title, he almost has to go to Houston.
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Let's just remember that the game where people are claiming James failed physically he scored 26 points, shooting 50% from the field, grabbed 10 rebounds, and dished out 5 assists. He did have 6 turnovers and he played over 39 minutes. I'll take that sort of physical failure all of the time from my players.
The Cavs problems have been and continue to be that Ty Lue is a downright awful coach. He has no understanding of rotations, play calling, etc. He is just awful. I mean this a guy who said Kyle Korver didn't play more minutes because Semi Ojeleye was removed from Boston's rotation. Here is the exact quote "Well, initially, he's been putting Ojeleye in," Lue said of Stevens after the game Wednesday. "So that's been kind of Kyle's matchup when he comes in the game. He didn't play him tonight, so it kind of threw us for a loop." Semi Ojeleye not playing threw the Cavs for a loop and led to Korver playing only like 18 minutes. That sums up the Cavs problems and is all anyone really needs to know.
This is all true, but the point that LeBron looked defeated out there is still true. True to the point where Marc Jackson was saying it. Marc freakin Jackson. I’ve never seen that from LeBron. The cramp game and all the other failures in his career have a different feel to this one.
He just looked done out there.
Ty Lue is hilariously inept though
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I believe Lue is playing JR Smith because he wants Lebron to lose.
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He's older and plays a TON of minutes sooner or later that catches up to you. Is that what is going on now? I don't know.
TP. He's a lot older now and they've relied so much on him these last few years that he's eventually going to slow down. All great players do. Now Lebron slowing down is a lot different then other players because Lebron still plays at a level 99% of the players in the NBA can't play at. But it's good to see that he is faltering to the finish line.
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I told you these old guys would start to get noodle legs. Games every other day and travel will not effect our young guys. I think we can catch them sleeping in game 6 and play more relaxed. I would push the pace early and keep it close. Lue isn't playing any of his young guys and his vets are gassed.
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They shouldn't have let him play so many minutes in the regular season.
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I told you these old guys would start to get noodle legs. Games every other day and travel will not effect our young guys. I think we can catch them sleeping in game 6 and play more relaxed. I would push the pace early and keep it close. Lue isn't playing any of his young guys and his vets are gassed.
Why Calderon gets no minutes is beyond me. You get Behind Korver is the frist Guy you put in.
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Hate see him blame other and point to them when he makes a mistake..no wonder kyrie wanted out
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The biggest thing for me about last night's game is he didn't look physically capable of giving top tier effort on the defensive end. I thought that was the biggest change to Cleveland's approach at home was how LBJ was engaged and active defensively.
We saw this in the Pacers series some and it makes sense its somewhat worse this series as its 9 games later and against an even better/deeper defensive team.
Whatever team he is on next should commit to playing him in the low 30s in minutes, I really think that'd help him similar to how it helped KG maximize his impact when on the court.
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Let's just remember that the game where people are claiming James failed physically he scored 26 points, shooting 50% from the field, grabbed 10 rebounds, and dished out 5 assists. He did have 6 turnovers and he played over 39 minutes. I'll take that sort of physical failure all of the time from my players.
The Cavs problems have been and continue to be that Ty Lue is a downright awful coach. He has no understanding of rotations, play calling, etc. He is just awful. I mean this a guy who said Kyle Korver didn't play more minutes because Semi Ojeleye was removed from Boston's rotation. Here is the exact quote "Well, initially, he's been putting Ojeleye in," Lue said of Stevens after the game Wednesday. "So that's been kind of Kyle's matchup when he comes in the game. He didn't play him tonight, so it kind of threw us for a loop." Semi Ojeleye not playing threw the Cavs for a loop and led to Korver playing only like 18 minutes. That sums up the Cavs problems and is all anyone really needs to know.
An exhausted Lebron is still better then 99% of the NBA.
But an exhausted Lebron may not be good enough to carry this Cavs team over the top in this series.
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I told you these old guys would start to get noodle legs. Games every other day and travel will not effect our young guys. I think we can catch them sleeping in game 6 and play more relaxed. I would push the pace early and keep it close. Lue isn't playing any of his young guys and his vets are gassed.
Why Calderon gets no minutes is beyond me. You get Behind Korver is the frist Guy you put in.
Because he cannot defend or make plays with the ball anymore off the bounce.
Korver is a much more solid defender in small lineups than Calderon and works better off the ball instead of as a stationary spot guy exclusively.
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Never like LBJ but appreciate he is hell of a player.
I think the MVP chase to prove a point for being in the league for 15 years and preforming at high level LBJ end up costing him now in the playoff games.
Imagine able to get pass us, how much energy there is left from him to face either of the team from the west....
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I told you these old guys would start to get noodle legs. Games every other day and travel will not effect our young guys. I think we can catch them sleeping in game 6 and play more relaxed. I would push the pace early and keep it close. Lue isn't playing any of his young guys and his vets are gassed.
He should have played his younger guys earlier in the playoffs, and at least earlier in this series. Its too late now for them to save the energy of their older starters. Hopefully we run them out of the building tomorrow.
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I think that gap between games 2 and 3 really benefited Cleveland. If there were 4 days off between every game in the playoffs, I think Cleveland would look a heck of a lot better - moreso than other teams would.
It's also worth noting that this is the first season (recently, at least) where Lebron played all 82 games - didn't take 2 weeks off and go to Miami or have all his blood replaced in Germany or something.
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Lue said of Stevens after the game Wednesday. "So that's been kind of Kyle's matchup when he comes in the game. He didn't play him tonight, so it kind of threw us for a loop." Semi Ojeleye not playing threw the Cavs for a loop and led to Korver playing only like 18 minutes. That sums up the Cavs problems and is all anyone really needs to know.
Korver averaged 22 min per game in games 1-4, including starting in game 1. I am not sure 3 more minutes of Korver changes the outcome (box score gave him 19 min) but that is a very strange thing for a coach to say after a game. Keep in mind though that Lue is not the coach, LeBron is. I think we have a coaching edge for sure but in the games that we have won, CLE has just plain played bad. This is not as simple as one coach vs. the other coach.
I did not pick up on Semi/Korver match up but I think what Lue is saying is that he was using Semi to cover for Korver's lack of defense or that it was part of how Korver was getting open. Seems reasonable and I bet if Korver had played more in place of Smith, that Brown would have had more points. Lot's of variables in play. Let's see which Cavs team shows up on Friday.
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Lue said of Stevens after the game Wednesday. "So that's been kind of Kyle's matchup when he comes in the game. He didn't play him tonight, so it kind of threw us for a loop." Semi Ojeleye not playing threw the Cavs for a loop and led to Korver playing only like 18 minutes. That sums up the Cavs problems and is all anyone really needs to know.
Korver averaged 22 min per game in games 1-4, including starting in game 1. I am not sure 3 more minutes of Korver changes the outcome (box score gave him 19 min) but that is a very strange thing for a coach to say after a game. Keep in mind though that Lue is not the coach, LeBron is. I think we have a coaching edge for sure but in the games that we have won, CLE has just plain played bad. This is not as simple as one coach vs. the other coach.
I did not pick up on Semi/Korver match up but I think what Lue is saying is that he was using Semi to cover for Korver's lack of defense or that it was part of how Korver was getting open. Seems reasonable and I bet if Korver had played more in place of Smith, that Brown would have had more points. Lot's of variables in play. Let's see which Cavs team shows up on Friday.
JR Smith is horrible. He wouldn't even be in the rotation for any other team. He provides nothing except the rare game that he seemingly hits everything. Rodney Hood should be starting. He is a decent shooter, but he is a pretty solid ball handler that can actually get to the hole. He has size. It seems like people forgot that Hood was an 18 ppg scorer for the Jazz this year. He knows how to play and his more versatile offensive game is sorely needed next to Lebron. Seriously, Lue is just so bad. A halfway decent coach and the Cavs wouldn't have struggled with Indiana and probably would have closed this series out already.
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I mean the Jazz also got a LOT good minutes out of Crowder, something Lue LBJ and the Cavs could not. Are we really surprised that Hood also can't adjust to playing on this team as well?
FWIW Hood sulked his way out of Utah when the Jazz handed the keys to Mitchel and not him and sucked in their playoff run last year. I think when Utah hits the eject button on a player it says something about them.
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Lue said of Stevens after the game Wednesday. "So that's been kind of Kyle's matchup when he comes in the game. He didn't play him tonight, so it kind of threw us for a loop." Semi Ojeleye not playing threw the Cavs for a loop and led to Korver playing only like 18 minutes. That sums up the Cavs problems and is all anyone really needs to know.
Korver averaged 22 min per game in games 1-4, including starting in game 1. I am not sure 3 more minutes of Korver changes the outcome (box score gave him 19 min) but that is a very strange thing for a coach to say after a game. Keep in mind though that Lue is not the coach, LeBron is. I think we have a coaching edge for sure but in the games that we have won, CLE has just plain played bad. This is not as simple as one coach vs. the other coach.
I think what Lue meant in the end is that he views Korver as a 4 they play when they go small with Love at the 5. Because the Celtics largely stayed pretty big it messed up their plan to match up small with Korver/Love.
Love played zero minutes at C in game 5, that's probably as big a reason as any Korver's minutes were more limited that expected. That's definitely bad coaching/rotation management. When you are struggling to score I think Korver has to be on the court more.
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Let's just remember that the game where people are claiming James failed physically he scored 26 points, shooting 50% from the field, grabbed 10 rebounds, and dished out 5 assists. He did have 6 turnovers and he played over 39 minutes. I'll take that sort of physical failure all of the time from my players.
The Cavs problems have been and continue to be that Ty Lue is a downright awful coach. He has no understanding of rotations, play calling, etc. He is just awful. I mean this a guy who said Kyle Korver didn't play more minutes because Semi Ojeleye was removed from Boston's rotation. Here is the exact quote "Well, initially, he's been putting Ojeleye in," Lue said of Stevens after the game Wednesday. "So that's been kind of Kyle's matchup when he comes in the game. He didn't play him tonight, so it kind of threw us for a loop." Semi Ojeleye not playing threw the Cavs for a loop and led to Korver playing only like 18 minutes. That sums up the Cavs problems and is all anyone really needs to know.
I don't think anyone is laying blame at Lebron's feet for the loss last night. Tyronne Lue and Lebron's supporting cast really let Lebron down.
But...Lebron was tired from almost the beginning of the gamed and looked completely gassed many times in the 2nd half. Lebron was constantly not getting back on defense after a miss or turnover, spending time haggling with the refs. He didn't constantly go inside to force the Cs into fouls. He was looking more to pass than score for almost the entire first half. In the 2nd half his jumpers and turnarounds were short and his layups rolled out. Heck, he didn't even try a run down block on Tatum which is his signature defensive move.
Thats being tired, being exhausted. And when he was sitting he looked out of it as he wiped himself down and chugged fluids. His body language was awful. I am not sure I have ever seen Lebron putting his hand on his hips while trying to catch his breath but that happened last night.
I give Lebron all the credit in the world for posting the numbers he did but last night he was just too tired to make his teammates better or to carry this bad supporting cast on his shoulders
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LBJ played more minutes than anyone during the regular season, and is leading the league again in the playoffs. This is on top of a heavy year-over-year burden. He's been in the finals 7 straight years, and he hasn't missed much due to injury. I'd be shocked if anybody has played more basketball than he has over the last seven years. It's got to catch up to you. Incredible he decided not to rest up toward the end of the year.
I'm kind of hoping the Lakers mortgage their future to get James and PG13, and it's not enough because LeBron has lost a step and, well, PG13 isn't his old self anymore either. If LeBron wants to chase a title, he almost has to go to Houston.
He doesn't look like he's lost a step -- just a little tired. Still looks like the co-GOAT to me. If he's on a team that can afford playing him 32 MPG next year, my guess is he'll still be MVP level and will have gas in the tank for the playoffs.
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LBJ played more minutes than anyone during the regular season, and is leading the league again in the playoffs. This is on top of a heavy year-over-year burden. He's been in the finals 7 straight years, and he hasn't missed much due to injury. I'd be shocked if anybody has played more basketball than he has over the last seven years. It's got to catch up to you. Incredible he decided not to rest up toward the end of the year.
I'm kind of hoping the Lakers mortgage their future to get James and PG13, and it's not enough because LeBron has lost a step and, well, PG13 isn't his old self anymore either. If LeBron wants to chase a title, he almost has to go to Houston.
He doesn't look like he's lost a step -- just a little tired. Still looks like the co-GOAT to me. If he's on a team that can afford playing him 32 MPG next year, my guess is he'll still be MVP level and will have gas in the tank for the playoffs.
Exactly. He's better than ever. And it's not just the minutes- it's that he is everything to that team. He doesn't have a Wade or anyone else to share the load. He's their freaking point guard for god's sake.
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LBJ played more minutes than anyone during the regular season, and is leading the league again in the playoffs. This is on top of a heavy year-over-year burden. He's been in the finals 7 straight years, and he hasn't missed much due to injury. I'd be shocked if anybody has played more basketball than he has over the last seven years. It's got to catch up to you. Incredible he decided not to rest up toward the end of the year.
I'm kind of hoping the Lakers mortgage their future to get James and PG13, and it's not enough because LeBron has lost a step and, well, PG13 isn't his old self anymore either. If LeBron wants to chase a title, he almost has to go to Houston.
He doesn't look like he's lost a step -- just a little tired. Still looks like the co-GOAT to me. If he's on a team that can afford playing him 32 MPG next year, my guess is he'll still be MVP level and will have gas in the tank for the playoffs.
Exactly. He's better than ever. And it's not just the minutes- it's that he is everything to that team. He doesn't have a Wade or anyone else to share the load. He's their freaking point guard for god's sake.
I don't think its so much the cumulative minutes as it is the energy he has to exert in any given game. He no long has Irving to throw it too every other possession, he has to create their offense every time down the floor. He can't do it all the time, nobody can. Its the same reason why great offensive players are rarely great defensive players, it takes energy to be the focal point.
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Let's just remember that the game where people are claiming James failed physically he scored 26 points, shooting 50% from the field, grabbed 10 rebounds, and dished out 5 assists. He did have 6 turnovers and he played over 39 minutes. I'll take that sort of physical failure all of the time from my players.
The Cavs problems have been and continue to be that Ty Lue is a downright awful coach. He has no understanding of rotations, play calling, etc. He is just awful. I mean this a guy who said Kyle Korver didn't play more minutes because Semi Ojeleye was removed from Boston's rotation. Here is the exact quote "Well, initially, he's been putting Ojeleye in," Lue said of Stevens after the game Wednesday. "So that's been kind of Kyle's matchup when he comes in the game. He didn't play him tonight, so it kind of threw us for a loop." Semi Ojeleye not playing threw the Cavs for a loop and led to Korver playing only like 18 minutes. That sums up the Cavs problems and is all anyone really needs to know.
I don't think anyone is laying blame at Lebron's feet for the loss last night. Tyronne Lue and Lebron's supporting cast really let Lebron down.
But...Lebron was tired from almost the beginning of the gamed and looked completely gassed many times in the 2nd half. Lebron was constantly not getting back on defense after a miss or turnover, spending time haggling with the refs. He didn't constantly go inside to force the Cs into fouls. He was looking more to pass than score for almost the entire first half. In the 2nd half his jumpers and turnarounds were short and his layups rolled out. Heck, he didn't even try a run down block on Tatum which is his signature defensive move.
Thats being tired, being exhausted. And when he was sitting he looked out of it as he wiped himself down and chugged fluids. His body language was awful. I am not sure I have ever seen Lebron putting his hand on his hips while trying to catch his breath but that happened last night.
I give Lebron all the credit in the world for posting the numbers he did but last night he was just too tired to make his teammates better or to carry this bad supporting cast on his shoulders
Nick I agree with all of this. Sometimes there is more than the counting stats. Lebron looked exhausted unlike I had ever seen him before and there were a few plays where he just stood there to tired to move while we got the offensive rebound. Also when Cleveland was trying to make a run he was deferring to Jordan clarkson repeatedly cause he was too tired to drive.
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LBJ played more minutes than anyone during the regular season, and is leading the league again in the playoffs. This is on top of a heavy year-over-year burden. He's been in the finals 7 straight years, and he hasn't missed much due to injury. I'd be shocked if anybody has played more basketball than he has over the last seven years. It's got to catch up to you. Incredible he decided not to rest up toward the end of the year.
I'm kind of hoping the Lakers mortgage their future to get James and PG13, and it's not enough because LeBron has lost a step and, well, PG13 isn't his old self anymore either. If LeBron wants to chase a title, he almost has to go to Houston.
He doesn't look like he's lost a step -- just a little tired. Still looks like the co-GOAT to me. If he's on a team that can afford playing him 32 MPG next year, my guess is he'll still be MVP level and will have gas in the tank for the playoffs.
Exactly. He's better than ever. And it's not just the minutes- it's that he is everything to that team. He doesn't have a Wade or anyone else to share the load. He's their freaking point guard for god's sake.
I don't think its so much the cumulative minutes as it is the energy he has to exert in any given game. He no long has Irving to throw it too every other possession, he has to create their offense every time down the floor. He can't do it all the time, nobody can. Its the same reason why great offensive players are rarely great defensive players, it takes energy to be the focal point.
Meh his wanting to play every game and every minute this year was incredibly misguided attempt to win MVP. I think he is paying price for that this series, and if they win, next round.
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I'll tell you one thing, if Lebron manages to carry this Cavs team to the Finals it may well outdo his other achievements to date. Certainly up there with the 1-3 comeback.
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Lue said of Stevens after the game Wednesday. "So that's been kind of Kyle's matchup when he comes in the game. He didn't play him tonight, so it kind of threw us for a loop." Semi Ojeleye not playing threw the Cavs for a loop and led to Korver playing only like 18 minutes. That sums up the Cavs problems and is all anyone really needs to know.
Korver averaged 22 min per game in games 1-4, including starting in game 1. I am not sure 3 more minutes of Korver changes the outcome (box score gave him 19 min) but that is a very strange thing for a coach to say after a game. Keep in mind though that Lue is not the coach, LeBron is. I think we have a coaching edge for sure but in the games that we have won, CLE has just plain played bad. This is not as simple as one coach vs. the other coach.
I did not pick up on Semi/Korver match up but I think what Lue is saying is that he was using Semi to cover for Korver's lack of defense or that it was part of how Korver was getting open. Seems reasonable and I bet if Korver had played more in place of Smith, that Brown would have had more points. Lot's of variables in play. Let's see which Cavs team shows up on Friday.
JR Smith is horrible. He wouldn't even be in the rotation for any other team. He provides nothing except the rare game that he seemingly hits everything. Rodney Hood should be starting. He is a decent shooter, but he is a pretty solid ball handler that can actually get to the hole. He has size. It seems like people forgot that Hood was an 18 ppg scorer for the Jazz this year. He knows how to play and his more versatile offensive game is sorely needed next to Lebron. Seriously, Lue is just so bad. A halfway decent coach and the Cavs wouldn't have struggled with Indiana and probably would have closed this series out already.
including hitting our players in the back
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Lebron’s exhaustion last night was a far bigger factor in last night’s result than Lue’s coaching.
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I have never been this confident in a Celtics/James series since 2008.
It's not just fatigue. His heart isn't in it. LeBron has 1 foot out the door. I think we finish it Friday night.
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he is human!
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I have never been this confident in a Celtics/James series since 2008.
It's not just fatigue. His heart isn't in it. LeBron has 1 foot out the door. I think we finish it Friday night.
FINISH HIM FRIDAY!
CLOSE OUT IN CLEVELAND!
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he is human!
IF YA WANNA BE THE MAN
YA GOTTA BEAT THE MAN
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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I have never been this confident in a Celtics/James series since 2008.
It's not just fatigue. His heart isn't in it. LeBron has 1 foot out the door. I think we finish it Friday night.
It reminds me of 2010 honestly. If we get ahead I think we'll seem them fold just like they did then. With the same offseason result for Cleveland. Driving LeBron out of town twice will be a wonderful thread to this rivalry.
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the talkers threw out that when MJ came back from baseball and got bounced first round but nobody ever remembers that, only his perfect 6-0 in finals-It would be better for his legacy not to go to finals-Broussard and Cowheard.-
If he gets bounced after carrying this team all season who in Cleveland will blame him.
Barring some miracle potion or he has his blood refreshed at some fancy clinic.
He is like out of Bourne Legacy needs his blues.
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A 33 year old player, who is as big as that, has to slow down at some point. LeBron is huge! He's in a power forwards body and plays like a guard. His best position at this point is power forward but they are playing him at point guard and he is worn out!
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I have never been this confident in a Celtics/James series since 2008.
It's not just fatigue. His heart isn't in it. LeBron has 1 foot out the door. I think we finish it Friday night.
It reminds me of 2010 honestly. If we get ahead I think we'll seem them fold just like they did then. With the same offseason result for Cleveland. Driving LeBron out of town twice will be a wonderful thread to this rivalry.
While it would certainly be amazing to see this team make the finals (and hopefully compete for a championship), I definitely don't think the best thing for the Cs is for Lebron to leave CLE. Wherever he ends up next year will surely be more competitive than where he is now.
Hopefully the additions of Irving and Hayward will offset whatever super-team Lebron has lined up next.
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I have never been this confident in a Celtics/James series since 2008.
It's not just fatigue. His heart isn't in it. LeBron has 1 foot out the door. I think we finish it Friday night.
It reminds me of 2010 honestly. If we get ahead I think we'll seem them fold just like they did then. With the same offseason result for Cleveland. Driving LeBron out of town twice will be a wonderful thread to this rivalry.
While it would certainly be amazing to see this team make the finals (and hopefully compete for a championship), I definitely don't think the best thing for the Cs is for Lebron to leave CLE. Wherever he ends up next year will surely be more competitive than where he is now.
Hopefully the additions of Irving and Hayward will offset whatever super-team Lebron has lined up next.
I agree but I think whether we beat him or not the conclusion LeBron is going to come to is that he can't carry a team full-time anymore.
Win or lose he's going to go somewhere with some young talent, and *gulp* Philly seems like the best fit. But so be it. This week's mission is sending him packing.
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Kyrie screwed him bc Lebron screwed things in the 1st place
Lebron had to do heavy lifting the whole season. Plus his age...he is burnt out no doubt
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Funny i stated multiple times during regular season Lebron isn't going younger and can't carry team by his own no more but many firmly believed he will dominate until at least 36/37
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I have never been this confident in a Celtics/James series since 2008.
It's not just fatigue. His heart isn't in it. LeBron has 1 foot out the door. I think we finish it Friday night.
It reminds me of 2010 honestly. If we get ahead I think we'll seem them fold just like they did then. With the same offseason result for Cleveland. Driving LeBron out of town twice will be a wonderful thread to this rivalry.
While it would certainly be amazing to see this team make the finals (and hopefully compete for a championship), I definitely don't think the best thing for the Cs is for Lebron to leave CLE. Wherever he ends up next year will surely be more competitive than where he is now.
Hopefully the additions of Irving and Hayward will offset whatever super-team Lebron has lined up next.
I agree but I think whether we beat him or not the conclusion LeBron is going to come to is that he can't carry a team full-time anymore.
Win or lose he's going to go somewhere with some young talent, and *gulp* Philly seems like the best fit. But so be it. This week's mission is sending him packing.
to me philly only seems like a good fit if they trade simmons
maybe for kawhi?
i just don't see simmons doing anything with lebron on that team
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Funny i stated multiple times during regular season Lebron isn't going younger and can't carry team by his own no more but many firmly believed he will dominate until at least 36/37
I was right there with you. He has played more minutes than anyone his age has either by an incredible amount. Him leading the league in minutes played this year in a desperate attempt to ge the MVP was incredibly misguided. I would not be surprised to see Lebron fall off a cliff in two seasons.
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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/24/17389794/lebron-james-fatigue-cavaliers-celtics-game-5-eastern-conference-finals-ty-lue
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he is human!
"You cut him! You hurt him! You see? You see? He's not a machine, he's a man!"
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he is human!
"You cut him! You hurt him! You see? You see? He's not a machine, he's a man!"
lol tp triboy
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I think its all an act...
if Lebron loses...then poor lebron was exhausted from having to carry this poor team!
if Lebron wins ...then Lebron is so good he can will his team to the finals while exhausted!
its typical lebron....find a way to deflect all the blame if they lose and gain all the glory if they win
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I think its all an act...
if Lebron loses...then poor lebron was exhausted from having to carry this poor team!
if Lebron wins ...then Lebron is so good he can will his team to the finals while exhausted!
its typical lebron....find a way to deflect all the blame if they lose and gain all the glory if they win
I disagree
The load he has had to carry, plus his age
he is tired. Especially with no 3-4 days in between game breaks (this was a detriment for the Celts). Most teams rest their guys at about the 5-6 min mark. Lebron/Lue leaves him out there for the whole 1st quarter and sometimes he starts the 2nd quarter , relying on TV breaks/timeouts/strolling back on D to get a breather
Celtics made him work for everything early on. And got gassed/the exhaustion is catching up to him
Game 6, he might ignore the pain and feed off the crowd. But i wouldn't be surprised if he starts breaking down by the 2nd half (it won't be like game 3, 4)
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I think its all an act...
if Lebron loses...then poor lebron was exhausted from having to carry this poor team!
if Lebron wins ...then Lebron is so good he can will his team to the finals while exhausted!
its typical lebron....find a way to deflect all the blame if they lose and gain all the glory if they win
I disagree
The load he has had to carry, plus his age
he is tired. Especially with no 3-4 days in between game breaks (this was a detriment for the Celts). Most teams rest their guys at about the 5-6 min mark. Lebron/Lue leaves him out there for the whole 1st quarter and sometimes he starts the 2nd quarter , relying on TV breaks/timeouts/strolling back on D to get a breather
Celtics made him work for everything early on. And got gassed/the exhaustion is catching up to him
Game 6, he might ignore the pain and feed off the crowd. But i wouldn't be surprised if he starts breaking down by the 2nd half (it won't be like game 3, 4)
TP, makes sense. If they can weather the 1st half they have a shot at taking this game. However, if they lose G6, the C’s will run him out of town in G7.
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he is fighting getting old ....wanting to prove he is still worth a final brinks truck, to som team
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the "fatigue" of LeBron is fake. I thought this was quite obvious, I can't believe so many get duped by this turd.
after the game 4 cavs win LeBron was asked "how are you able to do this at this age?" to which he replies(paraphrasing) "i'm in great shape, I take care of myself, work hard".
so within a game he's "fatigued"? did he run to boston from Cleveland!?!!?
this is just LeBron making his "triumphant" winning of this series look so dramatic and that more great and the adulation he'll receive that more profound.
yes, we're losing this series. the writing is on the wall, the cavs will win gm 7 watch!
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the "fatigue" of LeBron is fake. I thought this was quite obvious, I can't believe so many get duped by this turd.
after the game 4 cavs win LeBron was asked "how are you able to do this at this age?" to which he replies(paraphrasing) "i'm in great shape, I take care of myself, work hard".
so within a game he's "fatigued"? did he run to boston from Cleveland!?!!?
this is just LeBron making his "triumphant" winning of this series look so dramatic and that more great and the adulation he'll receive that more profound.u
yes, we're losing this series. the writing is on the wall, the cavs will win gm 7 watch!
Hope this is some weird reverse curse jinx.
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the "fatigue" of LeBron is fake. I thought this was quite obvious, I can't believe so many get duped by this turd.
after the game 4 cavs win LeBron was asked "how are you able to do this at this age?" to which he replies(paraphrasing) "i'm in great shape, I take care of myself, work hard".
so within a game he's "fatigued"? did he run to boston from Cleveland!?!!?
this is just LeBron making his "triumphant" winning of this series look so dramatic and that more great and the adulation he'll receive that more profound.
yes, we're losing this series. the writing is on the wall, the cavs will win gm 7 watch!
Hope this is some weird reverse curse jinx.
nope, this is how this game plays out - we play well enough to win this game(lead most of the game) but Cleveland plays well enough to hang around, comeback in the last 6 mins. and win by 20.
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the "fatigue" of LeBron is fake. I thought this was quite obvious, I can't believe so many get duped by this turd.
after the game 4 cavs win LeBron was asked "how are you able to do this at this age?" to which he replies(paraphrasing) "i'm in great shape, I take care of myself, work hard".
so within a game he's "fatigued"? did he run to boston from Cleveland!?!!?
this is just LeBron making his "triumphant" winning of this series look so dramatic and that more great and the adulation he'll receive that more profound.
yes, we're losing this series. the writing is on the wall, the cavs will win gm 7 watch!
TP. I really think you might be right. I made a post a few days ago about how every single thing that he does is calculated for the camera, and your post supports that.