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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #300 on: February 05, 2018, 09:24:52 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #301 on: February 05, 2018, 09:30:54 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #302 on: February 05, 2018, 09:40:35 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.

or maybe Patricia went along with it so Butler signs with the Lions next season (jk)

Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #303 on: February 05, 2018, 09:51:43 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.

If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.

It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #304 on: February 05, 2018, 09:57:10 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.

If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.

It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.

I think I agree. Belichick is the head coach and has proven that he should get the last call. The problem with that responsibility is that he's to blame when they lose. This loss is on him for not getting the defense prepared. He is also the GM, so he is responsible for a defense lacking talent and depth.

I'm trying to hold off on the Butler gossip until we know something. It doesn't look pretty though.

Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #305 on: February 05, 2018, 09:59:16 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.

If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.

It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #306 on: February 05, 2018, 10:02:38 PM »

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I'm trying to hold off on the Butler gossip until we know something. It doesn't look pretty though.
Maybe not pretty. But Chandler Jones played in a playoff game after he turned up in a police station all messed up by synthetic marijuana.

I'm sure the remaining 51 Patriots players learned a great lesson yesterday while watching Johnson Bademosi p--- away their SB chances because he can't make an open field tackle.
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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #307 on: February 05, 2018, 10:06:00 PM »

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I'm trying to hold off on the Butler gossip until we know something. It doesn't look pretty though.
Maybe not pretty. But Chandler Jones played in a playoff game after he turned up in a police station all messed up by synthetic marijuana.

I'm sure the remaining 51 Patriots players learned a great lesson yesterday while watching Johnson Bademosi p--- away their SB chances because he can't make an open field tackle.

One of two lessons:

1) Keep your head down and do what the coaching staff tells you to do.

or

2) Belichick is a ****head and stubborn moves generally are not the best ones.

I'm hoping most of the players are taking the first lesson.

Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #308 on: February 05, 2018, 10:09:36 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.

If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.

It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.

Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #309 on: February 05, 2018, 10:10:05 PM »

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I'm trying to hold off on the Butler gossip until we know something. It doesn't look pretty though.
Maybe not pretty. But Chandler Jones played in a playoff game after he turned up in a police station all messed up by synthetic marijuana.

I'm sure the remaining 51 Patriots players learned a great lesson yesterday while watching Johnson Bademosi p--- away their SB chances because he can't make an open field tackle.

One of two lessons:

1) Keep your head down and do what the coaching staff tells you to do.

or

2) Belichick is a ****head and stubborn moves generally are not the best ones.

I'm hoping most of the players are taking the first lesson.
or

(3) Your hard work might not really matter because I'm prepared to throw away any game to send a "message".
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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #310 on: February 05, 2018, 10:12:04 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.

If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.

It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.

Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
How about Brady? Does the OC outrank the player? How about the HC? Should the player never overrule the call from the sideline? Should they bench Brady if he does?
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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #311 on: February 05, 2018, 10:17:09 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.

If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.

It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.

Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
How about Brady? Does the OC outrank the player? How about the HC? Should the player never overrule the call from the sideline? Should they bench Brady if he does?

I think you know that Brady is a special player. He could have missed curfew 5 nights in a row and started the game.

Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #312 on: February 05, 2018, 10:20:48 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.

If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.

It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.

Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
How about Brady? Does the OC outrank the player? How about the HC? Should the player never overrule the call from the sideline? Should they bench Brady if he does?

I think you know that Brady is a special player. He could have missed curfew 5 nights in a row and started the game.
Of course. I always knew it was more of a "We did what we thought we could get away with" rather than "We did what we thought was best for the team".

But I'm telling you, having Butler in there over Bademosi and Richards sure looks pretty special right now. Brady can't cover Nelson Agholor even if he goes to bed one hour early every day.
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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #313 on: February 05, 2018, 10:57:32 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.

If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.

It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.

Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.

Would you say, then, that BB didn't "do his job"? Because from my standpoint, it looks like he kinda didn't.
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Re: Super Bowl LII: NE vs. PHI
« Reply #314 on: February 05, 2018, 11:25:15 PM »

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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.

What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.

If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.

It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.

Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.

Would you say, then, that BB didn't "do his job"? Because from my standpoint, it looks like he kinda didn't.

I think Bill is very much responsible for this loss. He put an inferior defense together on paper, then had an inferior defensive gameplan. If Bill was average in this respect, the Pats prob. have 6 rings.