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Hayward's contract
« on: June 17, 2019, 01:48:56 PM »

Offline konkmv

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If i was ainge i would try this with Hayward... i would told him that the team believes in him and was by his side all the recovery time but... as an organisation we spend 60m in 2 years for a guy playing like a 5 million guy just for one... i would ask for a new contract the 65 we owe him for the next 2 years to be spread in 3... 20 20 25... it would be fair

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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2019, 01:51:15 PM »

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I'm not sure that contracts can be re-structured in a way like NFL contracts are. The reason that Horford is essentially "re-structuring his deal" is because he actually has a player option for the final season. No one would possibly pay Horford $30 million next year, so it's a unique situation where an extension works for both sides.

Cap guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not even sure this is an option.

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2019, 01:52:22 PM »

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If i was ainge i would try this with Hayward... i would told him that the team believes in him and was by his side all the recovery time but... as an organisation we spend 60m in 2 years for a guy playing like a 5 million guy just for one... i would ask for a new contract the 65 we owe him for the next 2 years to be spread in 3... 20 20 25... it would be fair
There is specific text in his contract that it is guaranteed against lack of skill and basketball injury. The contract anticipates that he might get hurt and the Celtics assumed that risk in plain language. Same thing with him no longer playing at a NBA level, Celtics assumed that risk.

I'm not sure why you think it would be fair to demand concessions from Hayward.

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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2019, 01:53:46 PM »

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Cap guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not even sure this is an option.
You cannot renegotiate a salary down, only up if you have the necessary space three years after it was signed or last renegotiated.

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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2019, 01:54:31 PM »

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I don’t think even if Hayward was willing to do that it would be allowed by cba. I think they can ask him to not pick his next year option and give him 2 yr extension starting at 60% of prior year and then 8%decrease.
So something like - $32.4M stays his current salary
2020 - $19.4M
2021- $18M

So he ends up with more total dollars. I’m not sure Celtics want him on the payroll in 2021 though

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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2019, 01:55:22 PM »

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I don't know what's fair or not in life.. i know that i would do it... my mindset... doesn't mean evryone must agree.. i would like to help an organisation that believed in me..

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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2019, 03:21:02 PM »

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It might only be one more year with Hayward. I doubt he enjoyed last year and depending on how this year goes he could take his player option. He isn't afraid of leaving money on the table (see Utah). He wants to win.  I am probably in the minority that his 2019 portion of the season was really good after that injury and he will have a great season this year.

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Keep in mind he got hurt on the job.  If your boss came to you and wanted to pay you less, you wouldn't appreciate that.   Hayward wouldn't either. 
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2019, 04:33:26 PM »

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What you're describing is not how these things work in the NBA.


The only thing the Celts could do is waive Hayward via the stretch provision and spread out the cap hit of his contract over a number of years.  That would not really make sense for a number of reasons.


Better to keep Hayward and try to get as much value out of him as possible.  Worst case scenario he plays at around the same level as last year making him a hugely overpaid role player / borderline starter.
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2019, 08:41:12 PM »

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If i was ainge i would try this with Hayward... i would told him that the team believes in him and was by his side all the recovery time but... as an organisation we spend 60m in 2 years for a guy playing like a 5 million guy just for one... i would ask for a new contract the 65 we owe him for the next 2 years to be spread in 3... 20 20 25... it would be fair

Good luck making this happen - "sorry Gordon you sucked we want our money back" :laugh:
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2019, 08:49:18 PM »

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Bottom line, this simply is not allowed. Even if it were Hayward would not agree, no player would. Finally it would make the Celtics look absolutely horrible to the players in the league. There are already players around the league that don't like how the Celtics handled the IT situation, despite the fact that they did not do anything wrong and it was likely the right decision from a basketball standpoint. A move like this would kill their credibility.

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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2019, 08:49:42 PM »

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If i was ainge i would try this with Hayward... i would told him that the team believes in him and was by his side all the recovery time but... as an organisation we spend 60m in 2 years for a guy playing like a 5 million guy just for one... i would ask for a new contract the 65 we owe him for the next 2 years to be spread in 3... 20 20 25... it would be fair
There is specific text in his contract that it is guaranteed against lack of skill and basketball injury. The contract anticipates that he might get hurt and the Celtics assumed that risk in plain language. Same thing with him no longer playing at a NBA level, Celtics assumed that risk.

I'm not sure why you think it would be fair to demand concessions from Hayward.

Gotta side with the OP here.  He should be willing to sacrifice some money for the good of the team.  It's the right thing to do.  The dude needs to be a professional about this.

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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2019, 08:51:19 PM »

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If i was ainge i would try this with Hayward... i would told him that the team believes in him and was by his side all the recovery time but... as an organisation we spend 60m in 2 years for a guy playing like a 5 million guy just for one... i would ask for a new contract the 65 we owe him for the next 2 years to be spread in 3... 20 20 25... it would be fair
There is specific text in his contract that it is guaranteed against lack of skill and basketball injury. The contract anticipates that he might get hurt and the Celtics assumed that risk in plain language. Same thing with him no longer playing at a NBA level, Celtics assumed that risk.

I'm not sure why you think it would be fair to demand concessions from Hayward.

Gotta side with the OP here.  He should be willing to sacrifice some money for the good of the team.  It's the right thing to do.  The dude needs to be a professional about this.

Did you ignore the rest of the posts in the thread, or are you trolling?

Giving you the benefit of the doubt:  Hayward couldn't give back the money if he wanted to.  The CBA doesn't allow it.


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If i was ainge i would try this with Hayward... i would told him that the team believes in him and was by his side all the recovery time but... as an organisation we spend 60m in 2 years for a guy playing like a 5 million guy just for one... i would ask for a new contract the 65 we owe him for the next 2 years to be spread in 3... 20 20 25... it would be fair
There is specific text in his contract that it is guaranteed against lack of skill and basketball injury. The contract anticipates that he might get hurt and the Celtics assumed that risk in plain language. Same thing with him no longer playing at a NBA level, Celtics assumed that risk.

I'm not sure why you think it would be fair to demand concessions from Hayward.

Gotta side with the OP here.  He should be willing to sacrifice some money for the good of the team.  It's the right thing to do.  The dude needs to be a professional about this.
Why on earth would he do this? He got hurt on the job.

Plus teams never do players a solid like this. They do the opposite
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2019, 08:57:54 PM »

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If i was ainge i would try this with Hayward... i would told him that the team believes in him and was by his side all the recovery time but... as an organisation we spend 60m in 2 years for a guy playing like a 5 million guy just for one... i would ask for a new contract the 65 we owe him for the next 2 years to be spread in 3... 20 20 25... it would be fair
There is specific text in his contract that it is guaranteed against lack of skill and basketball injury. The contract anticipates that he might get hurt and the Celtics assumed that risk in plain language. Same thing with him no longer playing at a NBA level, Celtics assumed that risk.

I'm not sure why you think it would be fair to demand concessions from Hayward.

Gotta side with the OP here.  He should be willing to sacrifice some money for the good of the team.  It's the right thing to do.  The dude needs to be a professional about this.
Why on earth would he do this? He got hurt on the job.

Plus teams never do players a solid like this. They do the opposite

I mean... They made an above average player with no playoff success the 5th highest paid player in the NBA... I'd say they did him a solid.