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Re: Strongest guy in the nba and the celtics
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2010, 01:59:09 PM »

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Boykins has short arms, that's why he can bench so much. Very small range of motion.

Yup.  You can't emphasize how much of a difference short arms make when it comes to benching.

I've never understood this theory. Yes it's a small range of motion but the other guys have arms and chests probably three times the size of him. Doesn't that even out?

Re: Strongest guy in the nba and the celtics
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Nene and Artest should be on that list....pound for pound I would have to go with Derek Fisher.
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2010, 02:02:46 PM »

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Boykins has short arms, that's why he can bench so much. Very small range of motion.

Yup.  You can't emphasize how much of a difference short arms make when it comes to benching.

I've never understood this theory. Yes it's a small range of motion but the other guys have arms and chests probably three times the size of him. Doesn't that even out?

Says the short guy.

No I'm kidding, but this is a fight I had all through highschool with one of my friends. I'm 6'4 and he's 5'3 or 5'5 (depending on his shoes), and I was really busting my hump to get up to reps at 325 and he got there in like 11th grade.

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Re: Strongest guy in the nba and the celtics
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2010, 02:10:07 PM »

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I heard Gerald Green used to put up, 10, even 20 pounds at any given time, simply amazing stuff - he got the trophy all the way over his head, and it only took 3 tries!

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Re: Strongest guy in the nba and the celtics
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2010, 02:16:47 PM »

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Boykins has short arms, that's why he can bench so much. Very small range of motion.

Yup.  You can't emphasize how much of a difference short arms make when it comes to benching.

I've never understood this theory. Yes it's a small range of motion but the other guys have arms and chests probably three times the size of him. Doesn't that even out?

It's simple physics. He gets more leverage. The chest is the muscle doing most of the work and the further away the force is from the chest, the more torque the chest will endure. The shorter the moment arm (in this case his arms), the less torque on the body.

Think of a wrench. The longer the wrench handle is, the more force you can put on the bolt with less turning force at the hand.

Edit: The wrench example confuses the point sorry. The bolt is the chest muscle. The longer the wrench handle, the more torque you put on the bolt with the same amount of force turning the wrench. So...same weight on the bench press, more torque on the chest with longer arms.
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Re: Strongest guy in the nba and the celtics
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I'd go with Shaq, and if Wilt played during this decade he'd no doubt be a inhuman monster. The guy was a monster in the 60's when weightlifting for basketball as unheard of.
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Re: Strongest guy in the nba and the celtics
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2010, 02:42:03 PM »

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Boykins has short arms, that's why he can bench so much. Very small range of motion.

Yup.  You can't emphasize how much of a difference short arms make when it comes to benching.

I've never understood this theory. Yes it's a small range of motion but the other guys have arms and chests probably three times the size of him. Doesn't that even out?

Says the short guy.

No I'm kidding, but this is a fight I had all through highschool with one of my friends. I'm 6'4 and he's 5'3 or 5'5 (depending on his shoes), and I was really busting my hump to get up to reps at 325 and he got there in like 11th grade.

Maybe your buddy was just stronger than you. Now i'm kidding. I'm not denying that it doesn't play a factor I just didn't really understand why. Although it was odd when I could lift more than some of my friends who were bigger. I usually just attributed it to my mental and physical abilities. I like sticking with that reasoning a little more

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2010, 02:43:13 PM »

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Boykins has short arms, that's why he can bench so much. Very small range of motion.

Yup.  You can't emphasize how much of a difference short arms make when it comes to benching.

I've never understood this theory. Yes it's a small range of motion but the other guys have arms and chests probably three times the size of him. Doesn't that even out?

Says the short guy.

No I'm kidding, but this is a fight I had all through highschool with one of my friends. I'm 6'4 and he's 5'3 or 5'5 (depending on his shoes), and I was really busting my hump to get up to reps at 325 and he got there in like 11th grade.

Maybe your buddy was just stronger than you. Now i'm kidding. I'm not denying that it doesn't play a factor I just didn't really understand why. Although it was odd when I could lift more than some of my friends who were bigger. I usually just attributed it to my mental and physical abilities. I like sticking with that reasoning a little more

See my post above.

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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2010, 02:44:51 PM »

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Boykins has short arms, that's why he can bench so much. Very small range of motion.

Yup.  You can't emphasize how much of a difference short arms make when it comes to benching.

I still can't emphasize how impressed I am by Earl Boykins benching 300+.... Earl Boykins!
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Re: Strongest guy in the nba and the celtics
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2010, 02:52:33 PM »

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Boykins has short arms, that's why he can bench so much. Very small range of motion.

Yup.  You can't emphasize how much of a difference short arms make when it comes to benching.

I've never understood this theory. Yes it's a small range of motion but the other guys have arms and chests probably three times the size of him. Doesn't that even out?

Says the short guy.

No I'm kidding, but this is a fight I had all through highschool with one of my friends. I'm 6'4 and he's 5'3 or 5'5 (depending on his shoes), and I was really busting my hump to get up to reps at 325 and he got there in like 11th grade.

Maybe your buddy was just stronger than you. Now i'm kidding. I'm not denying that it doesn't play a factor I just didn't really understand why. Although it was odd when I could lift more than some of my friends who were bigger. I usually just attributed it to my mental and physical abilities. I like sticking with that reasoning a little more

See my post above.

Yeah I was just looking at that. Makes a lot more sense especially after you explained the wrench analogy a little bit further haha

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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2010, 02:55:26 PM »

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Boykins has short arms, that's why he can bench so much. Very small range of motion.

Yup.  You can't emphasize how much of a difference short arms make when it comes to benching.

I've never understood this theory. Yes it's a small range of motion but the other guys have arms and chests probably three times the size of him. Doesn't that even out?

Says the short guy.

No I'm kidding, but this is a fight I had all through highschool with one of my friends. I'm 6'4 and he's 5'3 or 5'5 (depending on his shoes), and I was really busting my hump to get up to reps at 325 and he got there in like 11th grade.

Maybe your buddy was just stronger than you. Now i'm kidding. I'm not denying that it doesn't play a factor I just didn't really understand why. Although it was odd when I could lift more than some of my friends who were bigger. I usually just attributed it to my mental and physical abilities. I like sticking with that reasoning a little more

See my post above.

Yeah I was just looking at that. Makes a lot more sense especially after you explained the wrench analogy a little bit further haha

Yeah that was confusing it a bit.

Hey but who knows, maybe Newton was just a long armed physicist who needed a reason why he couldnt bench press squat when he came up with this stuff. ;)

Re: Strongest guy in the nba and the celtics
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2010, 03:16:46 PM »

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Re: Strongest guy in the nba and the celtics
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2010, 03:31:16 PM »

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Are we talking strength here or power? If it's just strength then are we talking pound for pound or just the ability to move the most weight? On pure power I'd go with Shaq. I doubt you would find a single player in the NFL who could do what Shaq did 15 years ago when he toppled the whole goal post, backboard and all over. In fact I bet you couldnt find another NFL player in the last 15 years. BBD wouldnt be far behind either on pure power.

Strength is a different thing though. The ability to move a certain amount of weight while isolating a few muscles is strength. Boykins is apparently very strong as I bet Nate would be with his legs. Wilt was probably the strongest to ever play the game but he wasn't more powerful then Shaq.

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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2010, 03:39:26 PM »

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I'd go with Shaq, and if Wilt played during this decade he'd no doubt be a inhuman monster. The guy was a monster in the 60's when weightlifting for basketball as unheard of.

As obsessed as Wilt was with individual numbers, I think he'd've been a gym rat too.  Plus I'm sure he'd be willing to get a little "creative" with his supplement regimen.  Would probably have wound up built like a thicker Dwight Howard.  Which is a pretty scary thought.

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2010, 04:04:02 PM »

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Wilt already was a thicker version of Howard and probably much, much stronger.