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Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1200 on: October 04, 2018, 07:18:03 AM »

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If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting working his tail off but is getting minutes based on that ability.
There, fixed it for you.
Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.
Great point.  Being a rookie, I was just waiting for the refs to call an illegal (moving) screen on him. 

I think many will agree that the refs tend to do that kind of stuff to rookies until they get used them.  They like to establish themselves as being in charge and this is part of their indoctrination of rookies.  (likely deserves its own thread)

Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1201 on: October 04, 2018, 07:23:48 AM »

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If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting working his tail off but is getting minutes based on that ability.
There, fixed it for you.
Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.
Great point.  Being a rookie, I was just waiting for the refs to call an illegal (moving) screen on him. 

I think many will agree that the refs tend to do that kind of stuff to rookies until they get used them.  They like to establish themselves as being in charge and this is part of their indoctrination of rookies.  (likely deserves its own thread)
Yeah, it's like their own weird form of hazing whereby they are overly harsh on them, or don't give them any calls. Annoying that the rules change from player to player.
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Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1202 on: October 04, 2018, 08:03:48 AM »

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If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting working his tail off but is getting minutes based on that ability.
There, fixed it for you.
He has probably been coasting throughout his life like celtics4ever said.  Probably just started working hard recently.

Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1203 on: October 04, 2018, 08:05:11 AM »

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I guess the question is, who's minutes would he cut into?

Theis was pretty brutal last night IMO. It's really hard to have 2 players recovering from injuries between him and Hayward. Feels like we always have someone out there who is out of rhythym and playing tentatively.

Hayward seemed to be getting his legs under him in the 3rd quarter but I'm not sure if this team with it's championship aspirations will have time to wait for Theis to round back into form. Especially with Big Block Robert Williams looking like a real matchup problem for opposing front courts.

Yup, it'd be Theis- the only question is if Baynes is also coming off the bench, how would it work?
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Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1204 on: October 04, 2018, 08:09:13 AM »

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If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting working his tail off but is getting minutes based on that ability.
There, fixed it for you.
Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.

TP, I think he's definitely been working hard, and I agree about his picks. 

Watching him the other night at TD, I thought that if our big man depth chart was Horford-Baynes-Williams, they'd all seemingly be great screen setters.
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Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1205 on: October 04, 2018, 08:11:17 AM »

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Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.

What I meant by that, is a lot of his defensive ability comes from sheer athletic ability.   He is not even remotely a polished defender, and has a lot of work in that area.    That being said, his athletic ability is immense and he is still pretty good.   If we can develop his game, to could be a real good player.

His workwork is a little shoddy, but he can make up for it, with his footspeed and athletic ability.     He flails at shots, but can jump out of the gym.

I love his game and I am excited for him to come into the game each time.   I think the sky is limit for him.   

Don't confuse hustle with knowledge of the game.   You can have great effort and not know what you're doing.  You can be high energy and still be raw, which I present he is folks

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http://www.nbadraft.net/players/robert-williams


Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1206 on: October 04, 2018, 08:28:00 AM »

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Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.

What I meant by that, is a lot of his defensive ability comes from sheer athletic ability.   He is not even remotely a polished defender, and has a lot of work in that area.    That being said, his athletic ability is immense and he is still pretty good.   If we can develop his game, to could be a real good player.

His workwork is a little shoddy, but he can make up for it, with his footspeed and athletic ability.     He flails at shots, but can jump out of the gym.

I love his game and I am excited for him to come into the game each time.   I think the sky is limit for him.   

Don't confuse hustle with knowledge of the game.   You can have great effort and not know what you're doing.  You can be high energy and still be raw, which I present he is folks

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Sometimes relies too much on his athleticism ... Still a raw prospect who, despite making a big leap in development his freshman year, didn’t progress nearly as much as a sophomore ..

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/robert-williams

You guys are both right.

His amazing physical profile and abilities help mask little things like being out of position off ball and making his rim protection better than it probably should be, etc.

That said, he knows the plays, on offense he moves well and sets good screens, if anything it's his teammates that can't throw lobs.  On defense he's playing well, due to physical attributes but also a good feel for the game and above average awareness for a rookie big man.

Add it all up, and you've got a strong performance so far from a guy who looks better than Theis.
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Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1207 on: October 04, 2018, 03:43:51 PM »

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They got a video in practice at the end of a lob over on reddit

Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
« Reply #1208 on: October 04, 2018, 03:47:41 PM »

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Nice short video at practice slaming home another poor lob almost hit his head on rim over at celtics reddit

Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
« Reply #1209 on: October 04, 2018, 03:51:35 PM »

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The Brad Wannamaker-Robert Williams pick and roll is gonna be the NBA Hipsters' wet dream.

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Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
« Reply #1210 on: October 12, 2018, 08:54:47 PM »

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Robert Williams needs to start. The Celtics have a glaring need to get buckets down low. Also a glaring need to have a rim protector.

Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
« Reply #1211 on: October 12, 2018, 09:04:53 PM »

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Robert Williams needs to start. The Celtics have a glaring need to get buckets down low. Also a glaring need to have a rim protector.

Do you throw batteries like the other Philly Fans?   Too bad you're team lack the fight you do and was beaten by the Celtics without Irving and Hayward....Face it, OUR BENCH BEAT YOUR STARTERS.

Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
« Reply #1212 on: October 12, 2018, 09:35:26 PM »

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Robert Williams needs to start. The Celtics have a glaring need to get buckets down low. Also a glaring need to have a rim protector.
Lol. How is it a glaring need when it hasn't impacted our ability to win so far?

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Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
« Reply #1213 on: October 12, 2018, 09:45:31 PM »

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Robert Williams needs to start. The Celtics have a glaring need to get buckets down low. Also a glaring need to have a rim protector.

Do you throw batteries like the other Philly Fans?   Too bad you're team lack the fight you do and was beaten by the Celtics without Irving and Hayward....Face it, OUR BENCH BEAT YOUR STARTERS.

Well, the logic here is that since the Celtics didn't start Williams last year and lost, starting him this year should result in a win  ::)

Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
« Reply #1214 on: October 15, 2018, 09:55:35 AM »

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Robert Williams needs to start. The Celtics have a glaring need to get buckets down low. Also a glaring need to have a rim protector.

Probably won't happen. But there was enough demonstrated in the pre-season games that we'll likely get to see meaningful minutes for him this season. Boy is he quick! Quick side to side and quick off the floor, and quick with his shoulders so that he gets blocks that he shouldn't be able to.

Looks like the thing to track is his minutes versus Yabusele's, since Yabu is the least secure big on the roster.
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