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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Smartacus on June 13, 2018, 10:18:22 PM
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Recently heard rumblings that despite Joakim Noah reaching out to David fizdale, it's likely that he will be stretched by the Knicks.
Noah's tenure in New York is by far one of the worst in recent memory. He was basically ineffective the moment he arrived, became plagued by injuries, and finally let his overly public fued with Jeff hornacek fracture any trust that the organization might have still had in him.
Meanwhile the Knicks are probably going to tank this year. Porzingis might not even be back and whoever they take with their first round pick this year will be most likely looking at heavy minutes. Joakim Noah has become irrelevant in NYC but does that mean that he's done?
4 years ago this guy was all NBA first team and the defensive player of the year. Sure his post Chicago years have not been kind to him, but he was always an intelligent passer, a stout presence at the rim, and a capable help and switch Defender.
While at Florida he teamed up with Al Horford, and won back-to-back championships. Is this guy really done or could he be the final piece? One that not only gives Al Horford the type of rest he should end up needing going forward but could possibly even provide something special playing extended minutes with Horf. After all there might not be a player in the league with more built-in Horford chemistry aside from maybe Paul Millsap.
If Joakim Noah gets stretched would you take a flyer on him?
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Noah is beyond cooked. Not worth a 10-day contract.
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I think he's cooked.
I'd invite him to training camp, but wouldn't offer him a guaranteed contract.
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Noah is likely done being a productive NBA player. However if he is bought out he will be worth a look of Baynes can not be retained.
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Hmmm let me think about this....NO.
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Depends. Is he still working at the Rainforest Cafe? ;) ::) ;D
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Fork him
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Doubt he's got anything left
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seriously? this is a thread?
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lol the words joakin noah and put us over the top should never be used in the same sentence. stick a fork in him, the dude is done. he went from energy big, to very good defensive big, to irrelevant over the course of his career and that's where he sits at right now. i'd rather have Baynes back than Noah tbh.
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Camp body / try out, sure! Slim chance he's playable, but I'll always take a look.
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seriously? this is a thread?
I think it’s interesting because of the Horford connection, and because Noah is young enough to have something left in the tank.
I just think his body is too badly broken.
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I always liked Noah's intensity. If it was a minimum deal I'd be ok with it. He can probably still play reasonable bench minutes.
Still think Theis is a better backup big, and Noah isn't large enough to do what Baynes did for us last year.
Nice thought though!
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At this stage I like what Theis brings to the table way more than Noah. Too broken down at this stage
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If he was 7 years younger yeah.
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maybe we should check on Corey Maggette while we're at it.
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I think Kyrie and Hayward will put us over the top.
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He could be the weed guy slash horford buddy. We shouls bring in Brewer too. Win a title for those florida teams. Underrated in history.
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Sorry OP, he's under contract with the Phoenix Mercury.
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What about Greg Oden?
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Opened this just to applaud, and give TP.
Then realized it was a serious thread. :o :-[
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Seems as good a thread as any to ask this, but would anyone have interest in Vince Carter if he agreed to a minimum deal?
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Seems as good a thread as any to ask this, but would anyone have interest in Vince Carter if he agreed to a minimum deal?
he could almost be old enough to be tatums grandfather :laugh:
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Seems as good a thread as any to ask this, but would anyone have interest in Vince Carter if he agreed to a minimum deal?
Maybe he can teach JB to throw down some wicked jams!
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Recently heard rumblings that despite Joakim Noah reaching out to David fizdale, it's likely that he will be stretched by the Knicks.
Noah's tenure in New York is by far one of the worst in recent memory. He was basically ineffective the moment he arrived, became plagued by injuries, and finally let his overly public fued with Jeff hornacek fracture any trust that the organization might have still had in him.
Meanwhile the Knicks are probably going to tank this year. Porzingis might not even be back and whoever they take with their first round pick this year will be most likely looking at heavy minutes. Joakim Noah has become irrelevant in NYC but does that mean that he's done?
4 years ago this guy was all NBA first team and the defensive player of the year. Sure his post Chicago years have not been kind to him, but he was always an intelligent passer, a stout presence at the rim, and a capable help and switch Defender.
While at Florida he teamed up with Al Horford, and won back-to-back championships. Is this guy really done or could he be the final piece? One that not only gives Al Horford the type of rest he should end up needing going forward but could possibly even provide something special playing extended minutes with Horf. After all there might not be a player in the league with more built-in Horford chemistry aside from maybe Paul Millsap.
If Joakim Noah gets stretched would you take a flyer on him?
Tp for all the effort over...Noah
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No, but Alonzo Mourning might...
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seriously? this is a thread?
Would you rather have another Lebron thread? :)
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4 years ago this guy was all NBA first team and the defensive player of the year. Sure his post Chicago years have not been kind to him, but he was always an intelligent passer, a stout presence at the rim, and a capable help and switch Defender.
In short, no, it is time to put him out to pasture because his best days are long gone. He would take up a roster spot from someone that could contribute. Note this does not include Nader, I would rather have a shot Noah than Nader.
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GP last four years: 7, 46, 29, 67.
I don't think I want to go down that path.
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I like trickyb's idea of bringing in Vince Carter for the minimum. He's looked good every time I've seen him. Then again, I don't follow him on a regular basis.
As for Noah. ah....NO!!!!
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Yep, he's cooked. Pass over...
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For a non-guaranteed contract for the camp, why not? See if he has anything left to help a team. Use him sparingly in the regular season and save him as a 5-10 minute match-up based big man in the playoffs if it looks like he could contribute.
But definitely not a replacement for Baynes.
And I also agree he is probably cooked.
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I guess it really depends if he is injured or if the most recent injury took it out of him. 2 seasons ago he grabbed 8.8 rpg in just 22 mpg. Boston could absolutely use that sort of skill off the bench.
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I wouldn’t have wanted him at his apex.
Now? Ha.
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I guess it really depends if he is injured or if the most recent injury took it out of him. 2 seasons ago he grabbed 8.8 rpg in just 22 mpg. Boston could absolutely use that sort of skill off the bench.
Dude is a playmaker too.
Bizarro Horford. Can't shoot, but will do all sorts of big-man stuff. But was also very switchy on defense.
Love myself some skillful undersized centers.
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Six years ago, sure.
Non-scoring, non-shooting big men can't stay on the floor in the playoffs unless they're absolute monsters in other facets. Don't see the point of using a roster spot on him.
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I would give him a training camp invite. He’s only a year older than Horford. 3 years removed from dominant play as he’s had 2 shoulder surgeries and knee issues. He says he feels healthy now, but had the strange CD-DNP thing going on with Hornacek.
If he can be the anti Monroe to provide D and rebounding along with bringing back Baynes that would be great.
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You know, I clicked this thread thinking it was a thread posted a few years ago and someone just bumped it up yesterday or today.
Nope, someone actually posted this just recently... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I mean sure, training camp invite, vet. min deal? I'm okay with that. But to say Joakim Noah "puts us over the top" is absolutely comical.
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Noah is still on the hook for the Knicks. He's reportedly refusing to give up some of the money in the buyout. So ergo, he's still with the Knicks to this date. If you haven't watched his recent video with his blond beard on his exile. Then you would know the Knicks clearly aren't going to bring him back.
Horford is still high on Noah, so if he gets waived/bought out, I could see him coming here, and having a decent impact like Baynes in sparse 7-10 minutes.
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When a person who doesn't have much actual NBA skill and is pure hustle, athleticism, and heart gets injured, he's finished. He'd look like Greg Monroe had Monroe never touched a basketball before. He also can't shoot 3s, which is required of all NBA players now due to Curry/advanced analytics "figuring out" that 40% 3pt scores more points than 50% 2pt.
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You know, I clicked this thread thinking it was a thread posted a few years ago and someone just bumped it up yesterday or today.
Nope, someone actually posted this just recently... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I mean sure, training camp invite, vet. min deal? I'm okay with that. But to say Joakim Noah "puts us over the top" is absolutely comical.
Yes to a camp invite on a vet. min deal. You'd have nothing to lose.
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LOL when's the last time he played a game? If he was healthy I loved his game but seems like he is done!
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You know, I clicked this thread thinking it was a thread posted a few years ago and someone just bumped it up yesterday or today.
Nope, someone actually posted this just recently... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I mean sure, training camp invite, vet. min deal? I'm okay with that. But to say Joakim Noah "puts us over the top" is absolutely comical.
Yes to a camp invite on a vet. min deal. You'd have nothing to lose.
Using that logic, why not sign Bill Russell to a vet minimum deal? You'd lose a roster slot to a person who can actually still play basketball.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: hold on let me think about this title again...yeah :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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You know, I clicked this thread thinking it was a thread posted a few years ago and someone just bumped it up yesterday or today.
Nope, someone actually posted this just recently... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I mean sure, training camp invite, vet. min deal? I'm okay with that. But to say Joakim Noah "puts us over the top" is absolutely comical.
Yes to a camp invite on a vet. min deal. You'd have nothing to lose.
Using that logic, why not sign Bill Russell to a vet minimum deal? You'd lose a roster slot to a person who can actually still play basketball.
Russell to the MAX anytime he wants!!!!
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I honestly laughed out loud when I saw this topic ;D ;D
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I honestly laughed out loud when I saw this topic ;D ;D
I actually puked in my mouth.
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I am dumbfounded that this thread made it to 4 pages.
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I initially thought that this was an old thread from 5 years ago. I was wrong. (Sigh)
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Who?
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of the luxury tax?
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Eeewwwhh..
WTH man. This isnt 2010.
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Here is what Uncle Drew would say to that...
https://youtu.be/BVdp4q5diAY (https://youtu.be/BVdp4q5diAY)
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NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
what IS you smoking ...OMG talk about washed up has been
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Here is what Uncle Drew would say to that...
https://youtu.be/BVdp4q5diAY (https://youtu.be/BVdp4q5diAY)
you stole my line ..TP....LOL
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Here is what Uncle Drew would say to that...
https://youtu.be/BVdp4q5diAY (https://youtu.be/BVdp4q5diAY)
you stole my line ..TP....LOL
You know what sucks is when you say TP but you don't actually give one.
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Knicks look ready to stretch Joakim.
Would you take him on as a low cost vet?
spare tire if the injury bug hits?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24323522/new-york-knicks-david-fizdale-plan-part-joakim-noah
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Hard to see how he’d deserve minutes, even if we deal with some injuries. Horford, Baynes, Theis are all much better. And in a doomsday scenario, I’d rather let Williams and/or Yabu learn on the job or play Morris out of position than give time to Noah. He’s cooked.
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Wouldn't take him unless he paid us
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Hard to see how he’d deserve minutes, even if we deal with some injuries. Horford, Baynes, Theis are all much better. And in a doomsday scenario, I’d rather let Williams and/or Yabu learn on the job or play Morris out of position than give time to Noah. He’s cooked.
Fair enough, but if he can still tie his shoes he’s a better defender than moose.
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I posed this question about a month ago.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=96801.msg2528527#msg2528527
The consensus seems to be that he's cooked but I detail why I think he'd be a potential coup of a signing.
I'm still pro Noah.
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I posed this question about a month ago.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=96801.msg2528527#msg2528527
The consensus seems to be that he's cooked but I detail why I think he'd be a potential coup of a signing.
I'm still pro Noah.
The last times I've seen him on the court he looks cooked, but it that's not the case he would be a good pickup....
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He and Al go WAY back. Have Al Contact Noah and see where he is mentally and physically. Once Celtics have that information then the Celtics would know how to proceed.
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Noah is the ultimate team player, but I'd have to know where he is physically and mentally before offering a non-guaranteed minimum.
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If this happens, I think this means that the Knicks are out of the running for a two superstar summer.
By my count, if they stretched Noah, renounced all free agents except Zinger, and traded Lee and Hardaway. they would only have about 56 million dollars in space. That would leave room for one max guy and one 24 million dollar free agent.
Even assuming a superstar and all-star level player would do that, would that core be a contender? Nah. And they would only have 7 guys on the roster.
Waiving Noah might open up some cap space, but the inability to trade his contract is going to cost them about 7.5 million in space, which is the difference between two max contracts and a max contract + an 80% contract.
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The roster is full.
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No room on the roster but can we invite him to camp? Give the young bigs another role model and he and Horford can hang out. He's looked cooked the last few seasons but if he shows anything you can file that away in case a spot opens up later.
I don't know if that's worth it.
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Two-letter word beginning with N.
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Another piece for Thibadeau's reconstruction of his Bulls teams!
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yeah he is
called
The Old Folks Home
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Wouldnt mind Noah on this team at all..give Horford some rest plus injuries are always a concern
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nee, nao, niet, nein, nahi, voch, non, jo, Aye, Na, Nann, Ne, m hai and Finally Hell No.
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He's the kind of player you sign mid-season if you experience injuries at the position.
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If this happens, I think this means that the Knicks are out of the running for a two superstar summer.
By my count, if they stretched Noah, renounced all free agents except Zinger, and traded Lee and Hardaway. they would only have about 56 million dollars in space. That would leave room for one max guy and one 24 million dollar free agent.
Even assuming a superstar and all-star level player would do that, would that core be a contender? Nah. And they would only have 7 guys on the roster.
Waiving Noah might open up some cap space, but the inability to trade his contract is going to cost them about 7.5 million in space, which is the difference between two max contracts and a max contract + an 80% contract.
They'd have to trade one of their garbage contracts for one of their targets. Problem is they'd almost definitely have to trade one or more of their young core to do it. Would Zinger plus Noah for Kyrie have any appeal here? Kyrie opts out and that gives maybe them room to maybe go get KD and Butler, then go over the cap to sign Kyrie as they would have his bird rights. IDK, just thinking out loud..
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This guy has been in he league for about 10 years and I still have no idea how to pronounce his first name.
JOE-KEEM? or WA-KEEM?
Regardless, loved him in his prime. Think he’s long past that though.
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Keep looking Jo, I hear the Big 3 league is up and coming.
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nee, nao, niet, nein, nahi, voch, non, jo, Aye, Na, Nann, Ne, m hai and Finally Hell No.
i would like to add Ochi to the list :D
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When Horford was quoted last year that Noah still had game I thought about and it might be true. If Noah is ok physically (who knows), I do think he's worth a small gamble look. You never know, he just might be another Horford.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkK3-zrWsAATxRW.jpg:large)
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I still can't believe it has only been 4 seasons since Noah finished 4th in MVP voting after the 13-14 season when he was just 28 years old. Talk about a fast fall from grace.
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He's always hurt, and he looks like he running on empty.
That said, I did like his game 4 or 5 years ago.
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Never liked his game or his personality. No in his prime, no when he’s fried.
Just no.
If Monroe couldn’t get burn in the playoffs, what is he going to provide in Stevens system? Utterly useless, if you want him for depth, we are screwed if we have to rely on him anyway.
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If this happens, I think this means that the Knicks are out of the running for a two superstar summer.
By my count, if they stretched Noah, renounced all free agents except Zinger, and traded Lee and Hardaway. they would only have about 56 million dollars in space. That would leave room for one max guy and one 24 million dollar free agent.
Even assuming a superstar and all-star level player would do that, would that core be a contender? Nah. And they would only have 7 guys on the roster.
Waiving Noah might open up some cap space, but the inability to trade his contract is going to cost them about 7.5 million in space, which is the difference between two max contracts and a max contract + an 80% contract.
They'd have to trade one of their garbage contracts for one of their targets. Problem is they'd almost definitely have to trade one or more of their young core to do it. Would Zinger plus Noah for Kyrie have any appeal here? Kyrie opts out and that gives maybe them room to maybe go get KD and Butler, then go over the cap to sign Kyrie as they would have his bird rights. IDK, just thinking out loud..
Kyrie's cap hold is too large, so he'd presumably need to be signed first. Aldo the knicks have another $30M in toxic contracts which will be very hard to move. If they traded for Irving (which IMO is unlikely with Noahs contract unless there's a third team involved) they'd only have room for one additional max at best. So MAYBE Kyrie + Butler.
And if they can dump Noah and wait for Kyrie in free agency, maybe they keep Porzingis. But IMO Kyrie Porzingis and Butler is not enough to win a championship.
He would be stupid to leave here, I don't think it's happening.
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we had a more healthy athletic version of Joakim, (greg monroe) last year and i still wanted to buy his ticket out of Boston.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkK3-zrWsAATxRW.jpg:large)
Lol, TP ;D.
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I still can't believe it has only been 4 seasons since Noah finished 4th in MVP voting after the 13-14 season when he was just 28 years old. Talk about a fast fall from grace.
The fact that Noah ever finished in the top five for the MVP award in any season is a complete and utter joke, imo.
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we had a more healthy athletic version of Joakim, (greg monroe) last year and i still wanted to buy his ticket out of Boston.
Noah is washed up but he was excellent for a few years. And he’s nothing like Monroe other than rebounding ability. One is an offensive player and one is a defensive player.
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we had a more healthy athletic version of Joakim, (greg monroe) last year and i still wanted to buy his ticket out of Boston.
Noah is washed up but he was excellent for a few years. And he’s nothing like Monroe other than rebounding ability. One is an offensive player and one is a defensive player.
I too am struggling to see any similarity between Moose and Noah, except that they're both NBA big men.
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we had a more healthy athletic version of Joakim, (greg monroe) last year and i still wanted to buy his ticket out of Boston.
Noah is washed up but he was excellent for a few years. And he’s nothing like Monroe other than rebounding ability. One is an offensive player and one is a defensive player.
I too am struggling to see any similarity between Moose and Noah, except that they're both NBA big men.
On defense, they are virtually identical in uselessness. Have you see Noah switched on a guard recently? Goodness
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Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others. Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens. Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace. All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30. Never would have seen it coming for either. Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30. Same thing happened with Luol Deng too.
Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30. You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.
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Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others. Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens. Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace. All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30. Never would have seen it coming for either. Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30. Same thing happened with Luol Deng too.
Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30. You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.
Didn't Deng and Noah both get run into the ground by Tibbs? Makes you wonder how Jimmy Butler will hold up.
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Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others. Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens. Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace. All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30. Never would have seen it coming for either. Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30. Same thing happened with Luol Deng too.
Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30. You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.
Didn't Deng and Noah both get run into the ground by Tibbs? Makes you wonder how Jimmy Butler will hold up.
People hypothesize that, but in the case of Deng he had two healthy and productive years in Miami after Thibs, and then his game went off a cliff in LA. There are other examples too (Roy Hibbert) to remind us that even in this generation of improved training and medicine, some guys just crater about 5 years earlier than you might expect.
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Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others. Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens. Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace. All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30. Never would have seen it coming for either. Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30. Same thing happened with Luol Deng too.
Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30. You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.
Didn't Deng and Noah both get run into the ground by Tibbs? Makes you wonder how Jimmy Butler will hold up.
People hypothesize that, but in the case of Deng he had two healthy and productive years in Miami after Thibs, and then his game went off a cliff in LA. There are other examples too (Roy Hibbert) to remind us that even in this generation of improved training and medicine, some guys just crater about 5 years earlier than you might expect.
I think the kind of miles and the kind of person is integral to the way they age. D-Wade is a great example of a lot of 'hard miles' early on in his career. Gerald 'Crash' Wallace is another good example. Wade is likely good for a throwback game once in a great while but his body just can't recover as quickly and daily maintenance to maintain peak condition has probably tripled or quadrupled from the time he was 25.
But the kind of person you are and the way you approach changing your game and your body as you age is also critically important. Jamal Crawford is a great example of a person who never stopped recommitting to his craft and his body. Vince Carter is a guy who probably puts in hours we don't believe just to maintain his old man game. Ray Allen of course is immortal.
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Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others. Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens. Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace. All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30. Never would have seen it coming for either. Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30. Same thing happened with Luol Deng too.
Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30. You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.
Didn't Deng and Noah both get run into the ground by Tibbs? Makes you wonder how Jimmy Butler will hold up.
People hypothesize that, but in the case of Deng he had two healthy and productive years in Miami after Thibs, and then his game went off a cliff in LA. There are other examples too (Roy Hibbert) to remind us that even in this generation of improved training and medicine, some guys just crater about 5 years earlier than you might expect.
I dunno. Is Luol Deng's game really that bad? He literally never sees the floor so there is hardly any basis to say if his touch is gone or not. For one I suspect he still has decent enough defensive chops to help LeBron out on undesired defensive assignments. He may not be worth the 18 million a year he is owed but he is worth something
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Some players just fall off a cliff earlier than others. Noah hit that wall right around age 30, which is unusual for a player who had recently been of All-Star caliber, but it happens. Same thing happened to Gerald Wallace. All-Star at 27 (and probably should have been at 25 or 26), and washed up by age 30. Never would have seen it coming for either. Sure, they could have been past their peak, but to go from star level to unplayable in 2-3 years, without having experienced a major traumatic injury like an ACL or Achilles, was quite surprising for a player turning 30. Same thing happened with Luol Deng too.
Just something to keep in mind when signing players to long contracts who’ve reached 30. You’re starting to reach the danger zone, even if the odds are still in your favor for the early 30s.
Didn't Deng and Noah both get run into the ground by Tibbs? Makes you wonder how Jimmy Butler will hold up.
People hypothesize that, but in the case of Deng he had two healthy and productive years in Miami after Thibs, and then his game went off a cliff in LA. There are other examples too (Roy Hibbert) to remind us that even in this generation of improved training and medicine, some guys just crater about 5 years earlier than you might expect.
I dunno. Is Luol Deng's game really that bad? He literally never sees the floor so there is hardly any basis to say if his touch is gone or not. For one I suspect he still has decent enough defensive chops to help LeBron out on undesired defensive assignments. He may not be worth the 18 million a year he is owed but he is worth something
The fact that he never saw the floor for a bad team last year is, in itself, reason to conclude he's lost it.
But the year before, he played 26 mpg and was awful in those minutes.
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Sources: The Knicks and center Joakim Noah are expected to part ways before training camp; team has continued to work trade calls, although waiving and stretching Noah's contract looms as a route.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1040649426895814656
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The issue is always to see if you need the strengths a guy has.. noah was a good defensive center.. was... you probably play with tatum Horford as frontcourt with baynes morris theis coming from bench.. and you got yabu and williams too where will he play?find a player to replace bird and we are ok
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Sources: The Knicks and center Joakim Noah are expected to part ways before training camp; team has continued to work trade calls, although waiving and stretching Noah's contract looms as a route.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1040649426895814656
Send him to Minnesota. They're becoming the Minnesota Timberbulls after all.
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Always thought a Deng for Noah experiment made send for both the Lakers and Knickerbockers. Too late with Deng waived
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is this thread a warning?
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I don't know that Noah's cooked. I never appreciated his game much but the guy hasn't played in a long time nor with the right team around him. If I were the C's I'd kick the tires. I recall Horford saying last year that Noah still had game. He might become a reliable sub for Horford - good D, passing and rebounding.
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I actually always liked Noah's game, especially at his peak. He was one of the best defensive bigs and players in the league, a good rebounder and an excellent passing big man that knew his limitations on offense and played within himself being content to set picks, roll to the basket, be a garbage man and occasionally get hot from mid range.
Sadly, Thibs ran every player into the ground and he lost his athleticism and his game nosedived.
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He look terrible in the DLeague game i saw him in against Maine.
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Sources on @TheAthleticNBA @WatchStadium: Joakim Noah and the New York Knicks are near agreement on his waive and stretch. Noah will not report to training camp this week as sides part ways before media day.
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1043846052854550529?s=21
Noah has worked diligently this offseason, and several teams are monitoring his upcoming entrance in free agency.
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1043847528746291201?s=21
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not even for free
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It's unbelievable that Al Horford and Noah entered the NBA at the same time, yet they have aged completely differently. Noah has been a shell of himself for years it seems.
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It's unbelievable that Al Horford and Noah entered the NBA at the same time, yet they have aged completely differently. Noah has been a shell of himself for years it seems.
That whole Noah-era Bulls core fell off a collective cliff.
Rose, Noah, Boozer, Luol Deng, Hinrich, John Salmons, even Ben Gordon. Pretty peculiar, actually. Taj Gibson is pretty much the only one who aged well.
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It's unbelievable that Al Horford and Noah entered the NBA at the same time, yet they have aged completely differently. Noah has been a shell of himself for years it seems.
That whole Noah-era Bulls core fell off a collective cliff.
Rose, Noah, Boozer, Luol Deng, Hinrich, John Salmons, even Ben Gordon. Pretty peculiar, actually. Taj Gibson is pretty much the only one who aged well.
I have to believe Thibs is a key proponent and real reason behind that...
He literally drives his players into the ground with how many minutes, and inability to create a successful rotation not always driven predominantly by his starters.
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No, in horse terms he needs shot or put out to pasture. Not much left in the tank, you wait until someone cuts him then you can sign him without giving up any resources.
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No, in horse terms he needs shot or put out to pasture. Not much left in the tank, you wait until someone cuts him then you can sign him without giving up any resources.
Pretty simple. Just sign him to a make good or non guaranreed deal.
Invite him to camp.
If he is done then send him on his way.
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Noah was a great defensive center.. was.. to sign a guy like that you must release bird and trade yabu for a guard...
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I would rather Horford, Baynes, Theis and Williams get all the center minutes this year. Noah is cooked.
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I'd rather we make space for Williams. Noah is not an NBA-level any more.
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I'd rather sing Fabricio Oberto.
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I'd rather sing Fabricio Oberto.
Championship experience!
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If he is done then send him on his way.
I don't think we need to invite him to camp to see he is done. His play the last few years denotes that.