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They make it to the finals every year....It doesn't matter

The true joy would be to see the Cavs eliminated in the first round and right after... camera close up of Lebron and Dan Gilberts face

I hope they get Phillly.

Anyway, I think this is why we may lose Smart this summer. His number seems to be going down though.

reading Pacers will be in hot pursuit of Smart and Gordon in the offseason

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They make it to the finals every year....It doesn't matter

The true joy would be to see the Cavs eliminated in the first round and right after... camera close up of Lebron and Dan Gilberts face

I hope they get Phillly.

Anyway, I think this is why we may lose Smart this summer. His number seems to be going down though.

reading Pacers will be in hot pursuit of Smart and Gordon in the offseason

Pacers, Mavericks, and Suns are my biggest worries in terms of re-signing Smart. Gordon isn't going anywhere, plus the Magic would be foolish to let another young and upcoming potential Allstar go away.
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They make it to the finals every year....It doesn't matter

The true joy would be to see the Cavs eliminated in the first round and right after... camera close up of Lebron and Dan Gilberts face

I hope they get Phillly.

Anyway, I think this is why we may lose Smart this summer. His number seems to be going down though.

reading Pacers will be in hot pursuit of Smart and Gordon in the offseason

Pacers, Mavericks, and Suns are my biggest worries in terms of re-signing Smart. Gordon isn't going anywhere, plus the Magic would be foolish to let another young and upcoming potential Allstar go away.

So how much do you think magic will pony up for gordon?

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I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to unload Tristan Thompson and Kyle Korver somehow.

They may also explore trading Kevin Love for several cheaper younger pieces.

As valuable as TT and JR were for them in the 2016 Finals, this shows you why it's important not to drastically overpay for replaceable talent.

It’s going to be hard for them to unload Thompson. Their best bet is moving Love for cheaper players and a pick or two.
I don't know, Thompson will only have 2 years left this summer and while he is definitely overpaid at 17.4 and 18.5, he at least serves a useful enough role that they might be able to find a taker for an Asik type player (not necessarily Asik, but something like that where the Cavs get a worse player but on a cheaper contract).

And the Cavs really only have this problem for the 18-19 season. As they can get out from Korver, Hill, and Smith before the 19-20 season (they still might be in the tax, but not so far into it that it is a huge problem).
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They make it to the finals every year....It doesn't matter

The true joy would be to see the Cavs eliminated in the first round and right after... camera close up of Lebron and Dan Gilberts face

I hope they get Phillly.

Anyway, I think this is why we may lose Smart this summer. His number seems to be going down though.

reading Pacers will be in hot pursuit of Smart and Gordon in the offseason

Pacers, Mavericks, and Suns are my biggest worries in terms of re-signing Smart. Gordon isn't going anywhere, plus the Magic would be foolish to let another young and upcoming potential Allstar go away.

So how much do you think magic will pony up for gordon?

18.4 PPG 8.3 RPG 2.4 APG with 34.6% 3P 4's don't grow on trees...

He's getting the rookie scale max no doubt. If not, someone else will.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to unload Tristan Thompson and Kyle Korver somehow.

They may also explore trading Kevin Love for several cheaper younger pieces.

As valuable as TT and JR were for them in the 2016 Finals, this shows you why it's important not to drastically overpay for replaceable talent.

It’s going to be hard for them to unload Thompson. Their best bet is moving Love for cheaper players and a pick or two.
I don't know, Thompson will only have 2 years left this summer and while he is definitely overpaid at 17.4 and 18.5, he at least serves a useful enough role that they might be able to find a taker for an Asik type player (not necessarily Asik, but something like that where the Cavs get a worse player but on a cheaper contract).

And the Cavs really only have this problem for the 18-19 season. As they can get out from Korver, Hill, and Smith before the 19-20 season (they still might be in the tax, but not so far into it that it is a huge problem).

I think I just heard someone say Tristan Thompson serves an useful role. Other than rebounding, this guy just sucks in literally every facet of the game. Can't shoot, can't pass, can't even defend as well anymore, and literally doesn't know how to move on offense besides pick and rolling, (which even any competent big man can do at the start of high school,) no one is going to offer to take his contract on lest they get offered at least a second rounder or 1st pick with protections.

Maybe I'm being too hard on Tristan, who was very vital for the championship ring, but the moment Lebron advocated for his contract, I knew it was a mistake.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to unload Tristan Thompson and Kyle Korver somehow.

They may also explore trading Kevin Love for several cheaper younger pieces.

As valuable as TT and JR were for them in the 2016 Finals, this shows you why it's important not to drastically overpay for replaceable talent.

It’s going to be hard for them to unload Thompson. Their best bet is moving Love for cheaper players and a pick or two.
I don't know, Thompson will only have 2 years left this summer and while he is definitely overpaid at 17.4 and 18.5, he at least serves a useful enough role that they might be able to find a taker for an Asik type player (not necessarily Asik, but something like that where the Cavs get a worse player but on a cheaper contract).

And the Cavs really only have this problem for the 18-19 season. As they can get out from Korver, Hill, and Smith before the 19-20 season (they still might be in the tax, but not so far into it that it is a huge problem).

I think I just heard someone say Tristan Thompson serves an useful role. Other than rebounding, this guy just sucks in literally every facet of the game. Can't shoot, can't pass, can't even defend as well anymore, and literally doesn't know how to move on offense besides pick and rolling, (which even any competent big man can do at the start of high school,) no one is going to offer to take his contract on lest they get offered at least a second rounder or 1st pick with protections.
Since Thompson went back to the starting lineup (10 games), he is playing 26 mpg and averaging 8 and 7, while "shooting" 62% from the field.  He has even been a near 60% foul shooter on the season (so not the total liability he was last year).  Obviously, that isn't worth 18 million a year, but if you are the Bulls would you rather pay Thompson 18 million a year for the next two years or Asik 11.5 million a year for the next two years.  At least you can put Thompson on the floor.   Asik is completely worthless. 
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I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to unload Tristan Thompson and Kyle Korver somehow.

They may also explore trading Kevin Love for several cheaper younger pieces.

As valuable as TT and JR were for them in the 2016 Finals, this shows you why it's important not to drastically overpay for replaceable talent.

It’s going to be hard for them to unload Thompson. Their best bet is moving Love for cheaper players and a pick or two.
I don't know, Thompson will only have 2 years left this summer and while he is definitely overpaid at 17.4 and 18.5, he at least serves a useful enough role that they might be able to find a taker for an Asik type player (not necessarily Asik, but something like that where the Cavs get a worse player but on a cheaper contract).

And the Cavs really only have this problem for the 18-19 season. As they can get out from Korver, Hill, and Smith before the 19-20 season (they still might be in the tax, but not so far into it that it is a huge problem).

I think I just heard someone say Tristan Thompson serves an useful role. Other than rebounding, this guy just sucks in literally every facet of the game. Can't shoot, can't pass, can't even defend as well anymore, and literally doesn't know how to move on offense besides pick and rolling, (which even any competent big man can do at the start of high school,) no one is going to offer to take his contract on lest they get offered at least a second rounder or 1st pick with protections.
Since Thompson went back to the starting lineup (10 games), he is playing 26 mpg and averaging 8 and 7, while "shooting" 62% from the field.  He has even been a near 60% foul shooter on the season (so not the total liability he was last year).  Obviously, that isn't worth 18 million a year, but if you are the Bulls would you rather pay Thompson 18 million a year for the next two years or Asik 11.5 million a year for the next two years.  At least you can put Thompson on the floor.   Asik is completely worthless.

That is true. I agree that I was a little harsh on Tristan, but I wish someone like him would learn how to successfully set better screens. Maybe him and Asik can teach each other their secrets so they can successfully learn how to play to garner minutes lol.
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They make it to the finals every year....It doesn't matter

The true joy would be to see the Cavs eliminated in the first round and right after... camera close up of Lebron and Dan Gilberts face

I hope they get Phillly.

Anyway, I think this is why we may lose Smart this summer. His number seems to be going down though.

reading Pacers will be in hot pursuit of Smart and Gordon in the offseason

Pacers, Mavericks, and Suns are my biggest worries in terms of re-signing Smart. Gordon isn't going anywhere, plus the Magic would be foolish to let another young and upcoming potential Allstar go away.

So how much do you think magic will pony up for gordon?

18.4 PPG 8.3 RPG 2.4 APG with 34.6% 3P 4's don't grow on trees...

He's getting the rookie scale max no doubt. If not, someone else will.

How much does Gordon actually help on defense?  He was supposed to be a hyperathletic super-switchable defender and versatile offensive player but I'm not sure how much that's really developed on the Magic.

I think his stats are hard to really evaluate given how bad the Magic are.  I wouldn't pay him a lot of $$.
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I mean, this whole luxury tax thing is just ridiculous.  There is already a cap, you build a championship team fair and square and you're punished to this degree?  Outrageous.

Of course, the Celts will definitely face this issue in the near future and is one of the reasons they will likely have to consolidate their assets in some way.  2-3 great players is better than 4-5 great plus really good players because they'll all get the max regardless.

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They make it to the finals every year....It doesn't matter

The true joy would be to see the Cavs eliminated in the first round and right after... camera close up of Lebron and Dan Gilberts face

I hope they get Phillly.

Anyway, I think this is why we may lose Smart this summer. His number seems to be going down though.

reading Pacers will be in hot pursuit of Smart and Gordon in the offseason

Pacers, Mavericks, and Suns are my biggest worries in terms of re-signing Smart. Gordon isn't going anywhere, plus the Magic would be foolish to let another young and upcoming potential Allstar go away.

So how much do you think magic will pony up for gordon?

18.4 PPG 8.3 RPG 2.4 APG with 34.6% 3P 4's don't grow on trees...

He's getting the rookie scale max no doubt. If not, someone else will.

How much does Gordon actually help on defense?  He was supposed to be a hyperathletic super-switchable defender and versatile offensive player but I'm not sure how much that's really developed on the Magic.

I think his stats are hard to really evaluate given how bad the Magic are.  I wouldn't pay him a lot of $$.

I remember in December, his defensive +/- was -1.35 which was below league average, but it seems like that is more related to the team just doing awfully bad. He's not the best athlete at switching, he also tries to soft hedges defenders on screens, but is a tad bit slow. But the Magic should learn from their Oladipo mistake... Letting him go for Ibaka was just stupid, then they gave 4/70 to Biyombo. Yikes.

At least keep Gordon in hopes that he can potentially surpass his contract and build trade value.
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I wonder what Gilbert tax returns look like  ;D

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I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to unload Tristan Thompson and Kyle Korver somehow.

They may also explore trading Kevin Love for several cheaper younger pieces.

As valuable as TT and JR were for them in the 2016 Finals, this shows you why it's important not to drastically overpay for replaceable talent.

It’s going to be hard for them to unload Thompson. Their best bet is moving Love for cheaper players and a pick or two.
I don't know, Thompson will only have 2 years left this summer and while he is definitely overpaid at 17.4 and 18.5, he at least serves a useful enough role that they might be able to find a taker for an Asik type player (not necessarily Asik, but something like that where the Cavs get a worse player but on a cheaper contract).

And the Cavs really only have this problem for the 18-19 season. As they can get out from Korver, Hill, and Smith before the 19-20 season (they still might be in the tax, but not so far into it that it is a huge problem).

I think I just heard someone say Tristan Thompson serves an useful role. Other than rebounding, this guy just sucks in literally every facet of the game. Can't shoot, can't pass, can't even defend as well anymore, and literally doesn't know how to move on offense besides pick and rolling, (which even any competent big man can do at the start of high school,) no one is going to offer to take his contract on lest they get offered at least a second rounder or 1st pick with protections.
Since Thompson went back to the starting lineup (10 games), he is playing 26 mpg and averaging 8 and 7, while "shooting" 62% from the field.  He has even been a near 60% foul shooter on the season (so not the total liability he was last year).  Obviously, that isn't worth 18 million a year, but if you are the Bulls would you rather pay Thompson 18 million a year for the next two years or Asik 11.5 million a year for the next two years.  At least you can put Thompson on the floor.   Asik is completely worthless.
Only 3M of the last year of Asik's contract is guaranteed.   No reason for the Bulls to take on Thompson's contract without draft pick compensation. 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to unload Tristan Thompson and Kyle Korver somehow.

They may also explore trading Kevin Love for several cheaper younger pieces.

As valuable as TT and JR were for them in the 2016 Finals, this shows you why it's important not to drastically overpay for replaceable talent.

It’s going to be hard for them to unload Thompson. Their best bet is moving Love for cheaper players and a pick or two.
I don't know, Thompson will only have 2 years left this summer and while he is definitely overpaid at 17.4 and 18.5, he at least serves a useful enough role that they might be able to find a taker for an Asik type player (not necessarily Asik, but something like that where the Cavs get a worse player but on a cheaper contract).

And the Cavs really only have this problem for the 18-19 season. As they can get out from Korver, Hill, and Smith before the 19-20 season (they still might be in the tax, but not so far into it that it is a huge problem).

I think I just heard someone say Tristan Thompson serves an useful role. Other than rebounding, this guy just sucks in literally every facet of the game. Can't shoot, can't pass, can't even defend as well anymore, and literally doesn't know how to move on offense besides pick and rolling, (which even any competent big man can do at the start of high school,) no one is going to offer to take his contract on lest they get offered at least a second rounder or 1st pick with protections.
Since Thompson went back to the starting lineup (10 games), he is playing 26 mpg and averaging 8 and 7, while "shooting" 62% from the field.  He has even been a near 60% foul shooter on the season (so not the total liability he was last year).  Obviously, that isn't worth 18 million a year, but if you are the Bulls would you rather pay Thompson 18 million a year for the next two years or Asik 11.5 million a year for the next two years.  At least you can put Thompson on the floor.   Asik is completely worthless.
Only 3M of the last year of Asik's contract is guaranteed.   No reason for the Bulls to take on Thompson's contract without draft pick compensation.
I just used him as an example of the type of contract that could be out there.  I mea  there are a lot of bad contracts in the nba
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They make it to the finals every year....It doesn't matter

The true joy would be to see the Cavs eliminated in the first round and right after... camera close up of Lebron and Dan Gilberts face

Yeah, then watching Bron Bron rip off his Cavs jersey in disgust as he walks down the tunnel towards the dressing room....just like when he went to the cHeat after we beat him and sent I'm home.