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Title: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Roy H. on February 25, 2018, 09:49:56 AM
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The New York Rangers have traded six-time All-Star forward Rick Nash to the Boston Bruins, the Rangers announced Sunday.

The Rangers will receive forwards Ryan Spooner and Matt Beleskey, prospect defenseman Ryan Lindgren, the Bruins' 2018 first-round draft pick and a 2019 seventh-round pick.

I love that they’re going for it.  He’s on the downside of his career, but he’ll help.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Donoghus on February 25, 2018, 09:52:42 AM
This could be a really fun spring ahead with the Bruins & Celtics.

B’s are definitely going for it, huh?
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Csfan1984 on February 25, 2018, 10:01:04 AM
That is a honest move to go for it. Not sure it's enough though.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Phantom255x on February 25, 2018, 10:22:04 AM
Am I the only one who thinks this is a pretty big overpay?

5 assets including 1st rounder, Spooner and another solid prospect for a pure rental?

I mean yeah, it's nice to get rid of 50% Beleskey's salary, and maybe Nash does help in the playoffs, but it still seems risky.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: esel1000 on February 25, 2018, 10:25:16 AM
Am I the only one who thinks this is a pretty big overpay?

5 assets including 1st rounder, Spooner and another solid prospect for a pure rental?

I mean yeah, it's nice to get rid of 50% Beleskey's salary, and maybe Nash does help in the playoffs, but it still seems risky.

Spooner was a FA and they get out of at least part of Belesky’s awful contract. A bit of an overpay but in the scheme of things I don’t think it’s that bad.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: kozlodoev on February 25, 2018, 10:26:03 AM
That's an awful lot to give up (quantity if not quality) for someone who's going to hit free agency end of season and is already 33 anyway.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Eja117 on February 25, 2018, 10:43:21 AM
I don't know much about hockey. It seems he'll be one of the oldest on the team. Would it be likely for him to resign at reasonable money if the team does well?
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: TomHeinsohn on February 25, 2018, 11:20:36 AM
33 isn't terribly old for hockey
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: nickagneta on February 25, 2018, 02:42:59 PM
This is a great go for it all trade. The Bruins have all their draft picks for the next few years, they are extremely young, they have the best playing line and best playing goalie in the league, and could be looking at home ice advantage throughout the playoffs by having a great ending stretch. Love this trade.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Phantom255x on February 25, 2018, 02:50:00 PM
Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.

I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the B's missed that in some instances)

Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Roy H. on February 25, 2018, 03:00:10 PM
Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.

I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the C's missed that in some instances)

Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...

You’ve got to look at the “assets”, though:

* An inferior wing who is a restricted free agent
* A mediocre prospect defenseman
* A wing with negative trade value
* A late 1st rounder
* A 7th rounder

Spooner is the only asset that is likely to add anything to a team, and Nash is an upgrade.

This is the Bruins’ equivalent of “Yabu + #1 for Tyreke”. I’d still do that deal.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: kozlodoev on February 25, 2018, 03:09:02 PM
33 isn't terribly old for hockey
Well if you're Jaromir Jagr it's, like, the start of your prime?
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: KGs Knee on February 25, 2018, 03:41:09 PM
Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.

I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the C's missed that in some instances)

Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...

You’ve got to look at the “assets”, though:

* An inferior wing who is a restricted free agent
* A mediocre prospect defenseman
* A wing with negative trade value
* A late 1st rounder
* A 7th rounder

Spooner is the only asset that is likely to add anything to a team, and Nash is an upgrade.

This is the Bruins’ equivalent of “Yabu + #1 for Tyreke”. I’d still do that deal.


A late 1st Rd pick in the NHL is still a very valuable asset. Sure, it's not as valuable as a higher pick, but the difference in value between the beginning and end of the 1st round in the NHL is far different than what that difference would be in the NBA.

That said, I still like this deal for the Bruins. Nash is a proven veteran (but not too old) that could very well give the B's that extra push they need to win the Cup this year.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Roy H. on February 25, 2018, 03:48:54 PM
Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.

I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the C's missed that in some instances)

Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...

You’ve got to look at the “assets”, though:

* An inferior wing who is a restricted free agent
* A mediocre prospect defenseman
* A wing with negative trade value
* A late 1st rounder
* A 7th rounder

Spooner is the only asset that is likely to add anything to a team, and Nash is an upgrade.

This is the Bruins’ equivalent of “Yabu + #1 for Tyreke”. I’d still do that deal.


A late 1st Rd pick in the NHL is still a very valuable asset. Sure, it's not as valuable as a higher pick, but the difference in value between the beginning and end of the 1st round in the NHL is far different than what that difference would be in the NBA.

That said, I still like this deal for the Bruins. Nash is a proven veteran (but not too old) that could very well give the B's that extra push they need to win the Cup this year.

Those picks still aren’t worth very much:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-value-nhl-draft-picks/

A late first rounder apparently isn’t worth all much more than a 3rd rounder.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: KGs Knee on February 25, 2018, 03:54:35 PM
Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.

I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the C's missed that in some instances)

Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...

You’ve got to look at the “assets”, though:

* An inferior wing who is a restricted free agent
* A mediocre prospect defenseman
* A wing with negative trade value
* A late 1st rounder
* A 7th rounder

Spooner is the only asset that is likely to add anything to a team, and Nash is an upgrade.

This is the Bruins’ equivalent of “Yabu + #1 for Tyreke”. I’d still do that deal.


A late 1st Rd pick in the NHL is still a very valuable asset. Sure, it's not as valuable as a higher pick, but the difference in value between the beginning and end of the 1st round in the NHL is far different than what that difference would be in the NBA.

That said, I still like this deal for the Bruins. Nash is a proven veteran (but not too old) that could very well give the B's that extra push they need to win the Cup this year.

Those picks still aren’t worth very much:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-value-nhl-draft-picks/

A late first rounder apparently isn’t worth all much more than a 3rd rounder.

I think that study isn't worth a whole lot when they immediately throw out two of the most important positions in the game as part of the study.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Roy H. on February 25, 2018, 04:05:59 PM
Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.

I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the C's missed that in some instances)

Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...

You’ve got to look at the “assets”, though:

* An inferior wing who is a restricted free agent
* A mediocre prospect defenseman
* A wing with negative trade value
* A late 1st rounder
* A 7th rounder

Spooner is the only asset that is likely to add anything to a team, and Nash is an upgrade.

This is the Bruins’ equivalent of “Yabu + #1 for Tyreke”. I’d still do that deal.


A late 1st Rd pick in the NHL is still a very valuable asset. Sure, it's not as valuable as a higher pick, but the difference in value between the beginning and end of the 1st round in the NHL is far different than what that difference would be in the NBA.

That said, I still like this deal for the Bruins. Nash is a proven veteran (but not too old) that could very well give the B's that extra push they need to win the Cup this year.

Those picks still aren’t worth very much:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-value-nhl-draft-picks/

A late first rounder apparently isn’t worth all much more than a 3rd rounder.

I think that study isn't worth a whole lot when they immediately throw out two of the most important positions in the game as part of the study.

They’re measuring production. Judging defensemen and particularly goalies by the same standard wouldn’t make any sense.

And, if anything, goalies bring down the value of a 1st rounder:

https://www.thesportster.com/hockey/ranking-every-goalie-selected-in-the-first-round-since-2000/
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on February 25, 2018, 07:55:43 PM
These moves aren't gonna mean much if the Bruins can't snap out of this funk they're suddenly in.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Jiri Welsch on February 25, 2018, 09:17:24 PM
Took that big L today.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Phantom255x on February 25, 2018, 09:42:56 PM
Meanwhile, there goes Spooner recording his first assist as a Ranger...  :(
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Roy H. on February 25, 2018, 09:53:18 PM
These moves aren't gonna mean much if the Bruins can't snap out of this funk they're suddenly in.

We’re talking two losses in a row, for perspective.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on February 25, 2018, 11:31:48 PM
These moves aren't gonna mean much if the Bruins can't snap out of this funk they're suddenly in.

We’re talking two losses in a row, for perspective.

Yes, but they've lost 3 out of their last 4, and 2 of those losses were beatdowns to the woeful Canucks and Sabres. They also lost to the Sabres 2 weeks ago. They had been staying within a point of best record in the NHL, but this little slump has dropped them to third in the East. Not trending in the right direction.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: Roy H. on February 27, 2018, 09:42:19 PM
Nash was great tonight. He scored a goal and saved one, too.

Awesome win without Bergeron. The 3rd period felt like playoff hockey.
Title: Re: Bruins trade for Rick Nash
Post by: esel1000 on February 27, 2018, 09:53:46 PM
Nash was great tonight. He scored a goal and saved one, too.

Awesome win without Bergeron. The 3rd period felt like playoff hockey.

He’s been good both games since he’s been here. The knock against him has always been his playoff performances. Hopefully he shines here!