Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)

[Quetzalcoatl]

My trade is

BOS injury list receives: Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown

BOS starters receive:  IT4 (min contract), 2022 lottery pick

[Csfan1984]

Greenly you do know young teams never win titles right? I don't like the team make up but making those trades is like putting a pause on contending for two to four years while you wait on Wiseman, Moody and Kuminga. There is a reason Warriors aren't heavily playing those guys currently. On top of that Warriors are rolling they may not want to risk messing up the chemistry with a trade.

But keep the trades coming someone has to keep trade thread active.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Greenly you do know young teams never win titles right?

Yep. Are you aware that no matter what we do aside from somehow getting Beal or bringing in a rookie contract who absolutely thrives into a number three role, we’re at least two years away from contending for a title?

I don't like the team make up but making those trades is like putting a pause on contending for two to four years while you wait on Wiseman, Moody and Kuminga.

Is it, though? Wiseman and Turner combined are an instant upgrade over Timelord. Grant is continuing to grow. Richardson is not that big of a drop off from Smart, if at all, but Kuminga has the potential to skyrocket as soon as next season, leaving us laughing about all those bad shots Smart is now chucking up for the Pacers instead of us. And it’s pretty obvious to some of us that Smart and Brown are not exactly buddies, so if we are going to pursue all-in on JKJB, it’s surely best to rid ourselves of Smart.

There is a reason Warriors aren't heavily playing those guys currently.

Warriors are 29-9, 0.5 games behind the best record in be league. We are not even a .500 team and currently sit 11th in the East.

Let’s stop kidding ourselves here…

On top of that Warriors are rolling they may not want to risk messing up the chemistry with a trade.

Unless Curry gets injured, getting both Sabonis and Schröder would be game-set-match for them against the Suns. This move would be as close to a guarantee of a championship as possible. It’s akin to when we were ECF contenders and passed on Kawhi for Brown, where Kawhi then went on to win the NBA Title with a weaker team than ours. There was our concern about messing up chemistry and Brown had so much potential. As we now realize sitting in 11th going, “huh? How did we go from title contention to 11th?”, it’s always stupid passing up a 99% shot of a title in favor of baby youth who may or may not pan out.

[Csfan1984]

Greenly you do know young teams never win titles right?

Yep. Are you aware that no matter what we do aside from somehow getting Beal or bringing in a rookie contract who absolutely thrives into a number three role, we’re at least two years away from contending for a title?

I don't like the team make up but making those trades is like putting a pause on contending for two to four years while you wait on Wiseman, Moody and Kuminga.

Is it, though? Wiseman and Turner combined are an instant upgrade over Timelord. Grant is continuing to grow. Richardson is not that big of a drop off from Smart, if at all, but Kuminga has the potential to skyrocket as soon as next season, leaving us laughing about all those bad shots Smart is now chucking up for the Pacers instead of us. And it’s pretty obvious to some of us that Smart and Brown are not exactly buddies, so if we are going to pursue all-in on JKJB, it’s surely best to rid ourselves of Smart.

There is a reason Warriors aren't heavily playing those guys currently.

Warriors are 29-9, 0.5 games behind the best record in be league. We are not even a .500 team and currently sit 11th in the East.

Let’s stop kidding ourselves here…

On top of that Warriors are rolling they may not want to risk messing up the chemistry with a trade.

Unless Curry gets injured, getting both Sabonis and Schröder would be game-set-match for them against the Suns. This move would be as close to a guarantee of a championship as possible. It’s akin to when we were ECF contenders and passed on Kawhi for Brown, where Kawhi then went on to win the NBA Title with a weaker team than ours. There was our concern about messing up chemistry and Brown had so much potential. As we now realize sitting in 11th going, “huh? How did we go from title contention to 11th?”, it’s always stupid passing up a 99% shot of a title in favor of baby youth who may or may not pan out.

You are contradicting yourself because you mentioned title chasers as 13th and 14th roster spots nothing about knowing it will take a while to compete.

And how are you talking about Suns as if they are a threat right now with all their injuries history and CP3's curse to boot? The Warriors just need to worry about their own health and they got it over the Suns.

You also bring up Kawhi as a sure thing and gambling on youth was bad yet you want to deal for youth?

I don't think the Warriors do that trade. And don't feel C's would be willing to wait for youth. Based on BS' moves, C's rather put their chips in an established star to go with the Jays.

[slamtheking]

Greenly you do know young teams never win titles right?

Yep. Are you aware that no matter what we do aside from somehow getting Beal or bringing in a rookie contract who absolutely thrives into a number three role, we’re at least two years away from contending for a title?

I don't like the team make up but making those trades is like putting a pause on contending for two to four years while you wait on Wiseman, Moody and Kuminga.

Is it, though? Wiseman and Turner combined are an instant upgrade over Timelord. Grant is continuing to grow. Richardson is not that big of a drop off from Smart, if at all, but Kuminga has the potential to skyrocket as soon as next season, leaving us laughing about all those bad shots Smart is now chucking up for the Pacers instead of us. And it’s pretty obvious to some of us that Smart and Brown are not exactly buddies, so if we are going to pursue all-in on JKJB, it’s surely best to rid ourselves of Smart.

There is a reason Warriors aren't heavily playing those guys currently.

Warriors are 29-9, 0.5 games behind the best record in be league. We are not even a .500 team and currently sit 11th in the East.

Let’s stop kidding ourselves here…

On top of that Warriors are rolling they may not want to risk messing up the chemistry with a trade.

Unless Curry gets injured, getting both Sabonis and Schröder would be game-set-match for them against the Suns. This move would be as close to a guarantee of a championship as possible. It’s akin to when we were ECF contenders and passed on Kawhi for Brown, where Kawhi then went on to win the NBA Title with a weaker team than ours. There was our concern about messing up chemistry and Brown had so much potential. As we now realize sitting in 11th going, “huh? How did we go from title contention to 11th?”, it’s always stupid passing up a 99% shot of a title in favor of baby youth who may or may not pan out.

You are contradicting yourself because you mentioned title chasers as 13th and 14th roster spots nothing about knowing it will take a while to compete.

And how are you talking about Suns as if they are a threat right now with all their injuries history and CP3's curse to boot? The Warriors just need to worry about their own health and they got it over the Suns.

You also bring up Kawhi as a sure thing and gambling on youth was bad yet you want to deal for youth?

I don't think the Warriors do that trade. And don't feel C's would be willing to wait for youth. Based on BS' moves, C's rather put their chips in an established star to go with the Jays.

TP - beat me to the obvious contradiction here == so many crappy trade proposals because the youth on some other team is guaranteed to blossom here yet the Allstar we kept instead of dumping him for 1 year of Kawhi who was going to leave after that one season was the wrong move then.  laughable

[GreenlyGreeny]

Too easy: I’ve watched NBA champion Kawhi Leonard win titles with the Spurs and Raptors. Jaylen Brown is no Kawhi Leonard. Jaylen is an all-star and Kawhi is a HOFer. Furthermore, we were already title contenders with Kyrie onboard when Kawhi was available. We are currently in 10th or 11th place in the East now.

We had a once-in-a-decade shot at bringing in a top five talent to win at least one title, perhaps more if he falls in love with Boston like KG did. Instead we chose the path that has led us to being currently in 10th or 11th place in the East. Do the math.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Idea to get us a reclamation project, two decent pieces and a dip below the luxury tax:

BOS In: Wood, Theis, Exum
HOU In: Horford, Schröder, 2022 BOS 1st, 2024 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st

This shores up our front court and drops our salaries by almost $6 million, albeit at a price. Wood is a good starter, probably our best bet of building a Big 3 with JT/JB, who’s still only 26, and will very nicely complement Timelord. Have to think it will cost at least a couple firsts, probably three of them, Schröder, and taking on Theis’ and Exum’s contracts. We all miss Theis off the bench. Grant Williams as that fourth piece in the frontcourt let’s us move Tatum back to the 3. Meanwhile, we get to see if Exum can bounce back at age 26:

Smart/Exum/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Richardson/Nesmith
Wood/G. Williams
Timelord/Theis

[nickagneta]

Idea to get us a reclamation project, two decent pieces and a dip below the luxury tax:

BOS In: Wood, Theis, Exum
HOU In: Horford, Schröder, 2022 BOS 1st, 2024 BOS 1st

This shores up our front court and drops our salaries by almost $6 million, albeit at a price. Wood is a good starter who’s only 26, and will nicely complement Timelord. Have to think it will cost a couple firsts and Schröder. We all miss Theis off the bench. Grant Williams as that fourth piece in the frontcourt let’s us move Tatum back to the 3. Meanwhile, we get to see if Exum can bounce back at age 26:

Smart/Exum/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Richardson/Nesmith
Wood/G. Williams
Timelord/Theis

Isn't Exum in a free agent playing in Europe? Didn't he get waived by Houston?

[GreenlyGreeny]

Idea to get us a reclamation project, two decent pieces and a dip below the luxury tax:

BOS In: Wood, Theis, Exum
HOU In: Horford, Schröder, 2022 BOS 1st, 2024 BOS 1st

This shores up our front court and drops our salaries by almost $6 million, albeit at a price. Wood is a good starter who’s only 26, and will nicely complement Timelord. Have to think it will cost a couple firsts and Schröder. We all miss Theis off the bench. Grant Williams as that fourth piece in the frontcourt let’s us move Tatum back to the 3. Meanwhile, we get to see if Exum can bounce back at age 26:

Smart/Exum/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Richardson/Nesmith
Wood/G. Williams
Timelord/Theis

Isn't Exum in a free agent playing in Europe? Didn't he get waived by Houston?

Missed that. Darn. Really like Exum’s potential right back to 2014. Guess we’d have to swap him with Nwaba (saves us slightly more than $6 mil) or Augustin (saves us just less than $4 mil, but we’ve got the Juancho deal on the horizon too), both of whom are drawing interest alongside Theis. The question mark is whether Houston would prefer to rebuild with Wood or Schröder and three first-round picks. If I were them, I’d take the latter. But if I’m Boston, I definitely take Wood over uncertain firsts and a Schröder who is unaffordable to us (his friendship with Al might even bet both of them for Houston the next couple years…Al still sells tickets/jerseys, and Houston is a great market for him). Wood could become our version of Chris Bosh in a young Big 3.

[Sophomore]

Idea to get us a reclamation project, two decent pieces and a dip below the luxury tax:

BOS In: Wood, Theis, Exum
HOU In: Horford, Schröder, 2022 BOS 1st, 2024 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st

This shores up our front court and drops our salaries by almost $6 million, albeit at a price. Wood is a good starter, probably our best bet of building a Big 3 with JT/JB, who’s still only 26, and will very nicely complement Timelord. Have to think it will cost at least a couple firsts, probably three of them, Schröder, and taking on Theis’ and Exum’s contracts. We all miss Theis off the bench. Grant Williams as that fourth piece in the frontcourt let’s us move Tatum back to the 3. Meanwhile, we get to see if Exum can bounce back at age 26:

Smart/Exum/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Richardson/Nesmith
Wood/G. Williams
Timelord/Theis

I like the player exchange, minus Exum as others have noted. Three FRPs is pretty steep for Wood and a backup center.

[slamtheking]

Idea to get us a reclamation project, two decent pieces and a dip below the luxury tax:

BOS In: Wood, Theis, Exum
HOU In: Horford, Schröder, 2022 BOS 1st, 2024 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st

This shores up our front court and drops our salaries by almost $6 million, albeit at a price. Wood is a good starter, probably our best bet of building a Big 3 with JT/JB, who’s still only 26, and will very nicely complement Timelord. Have to think it will cost at least a couple firsts, probably three of them, Schröder, and taking on Theis’ and Exum’s contracts. We all miss Theis off the bench. Grant Williams as that fourth piece in the frontcourt let’s us move Tatum back to the 3. Meanwhile, we get to see if Exum can bounce back at age 26:

Smart/Exum/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Richardson/Nesmith
Wood/G. Williams
Timelord/Theis

too many first round picks and not sure Exum is tradable.  From what I can find he's playing for Barcelona not Houston.

C's are giving Houston major cap relief by sending Al and Shroder.  maybe one first rounder but not 3.

[GreenlyGreeny]

The thing about Wood: He is averaging a double-double (17.4/10.2), 11th in rebounds, he’s only 26 and he is on a cost-controlled contract next year. That is all going to cost at least two first-round picks, if not three, as well as Schröder.

[trickybilly]

The thing about Wood: He is averaging a double-double (17.4/10.2), 11th in rebounds, he’s only 26 and he is on a cost-controlled contract next year. That is all going to cost at least two first-round picks, if not three, as well as Schröder.

Dunno about that. I think probably Horford, Romeo/Nesmith and 2 first rounders would probably land you Wood and Gordon.

[GreenlyGreeny]

If Houston would take Horford and three first-round picks for Wood, Theis and Augustin—preferably the picks would be 2023, 2025 and 2027 since I think this season is going to be a late lottery pick even with the addition of Wood/Theis—would love to then do this:

BOS In: 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd
CLE In: Schröder (via DPE), 2022 BOS 2nd

Come the 2022 draft, bundle the two second-round picks to get another pick in the first-round (albeit somewhere in the bottom third), in addition to our 2022 1st. We’d have those two firsts and this roster heading into the off-season:

Smart/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Wood/G. Williams
Timelord/Theis

Then bundle Langford, Nesmith, and a future second-round pick (or two) for TJ McConnell. Sign a ring-chasing vet for depth at 3-4, and here is the rotation with Smart as 6MOTY:

McConnell/Smart
Brown/Smart
Tatum/Richardson
Wood/G. Williams
Timelord/Theis

Positions 10-14 (keep the 15th slot open for a mid-season buyout): Pritchard, Ring-chasing vet who can play 3-4, 2022 BOS 1st, 2022 1st from trade at the top, Begarin (the leaner and meaner French Dancing Bear who can make it in the NBA? Certainly hope so!)

For those wondering about McConnell, maybe faintly remembering him from his time with the 76ers before landing in Indiana (home of Romeo Langford), check out his per 36 numbers before his injury a dozen or so games ago, and check out his passer rating in places like this: https://craftednba.com/players/t.j.-mcconnell

Definitely feel like he’s our best chance of getting a pass-first PG on the cheap.

Ultimately, if we are sticking with JT/JB like it appears, we need to find a way to get cheap upgrades who will complement those two and give us the chemistry of champions. I think Wood and McConnell could be those guys, especially with Smart and Richardson still on the team and being so rotatable when we need some strong defense and a spark off the bench. If G. Williams continues to grow, him and Theis would probably be the best backup front-court in the league, or certainly among the best. The only question mark would be McConnell’s recovery, but the potential reward outweighs that risk, and the only reason McConnell may be available is the uncertainty regarding his future as a result of the injury (and our options are severely limited in terms of moving Langford, Nesmith and seconds for a decent PG to replace Smart in that role).

[gouki88]

Ridiculous to suggest Wood is worth three first round picks.