Chris Paul contract already affecting Suns? (Ayton not signed)

[Moranis]

Prior to the playoffs, a number of Suns fans were arguing about who they would rather see the team invest in long term - Ayton or Mikal Bridges.

Interestingly a number of them preferred Bridges (more dependable night to night) but Ayton's strong showing in the playoffs I am sure changed some minds.

It does not look like they can keep both & CP3 and Booker.

And that is what I was getting at.  Having Paul signed means they probably need to pick between Ayton and Bridges.  No Paul, you don't have to make that decision.

[Moranis]

It's official.  No extension for Ayton.  They did extend Bridges though.  Should be interesting to see what they do with Ayton now.

[jambr380]

Ayton wanted a max and the Suns didn't want to go that high. It isn't necessarily good business, but I don't see a world where they don't match whatever he's offered in RFA. You can't just let him go for nothing, and at the very least, you work out a s&t.

[Vermont Green]

"I love Phoenix, but I'm really disappointed we haven't really gotten a deal done yet," said Ayton last Tuesday.  "We were two wins away from winning a championship and I just really want to be respected, to be honest. To be respected like my peers are being respected by their teams."

Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Trae Young (Atlanta Hawks), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder) and Michael Porter Jr. (Denver Nuggets), all 2018 draft picks, have received max extensions, but none have reached the finals like Ayton, the No. 1 pick in the draft that year.

DEN probably overpaid for Porter (for example) and so Ayton wants PHO to overpay for him.  I am not sure if you can connect this back to the Chris Paul contract in terms of willingness to pay for Ayton or having enough money for Ayton.  5 years $172M is a lot of money for Ayton.  But they were willing to overpay for Chris Paul so I can see why Ayton thought they would overpay for him.

[SparzWizard]

Any chance we go after Ayton? If the KAT plan fails he could be our backup! 

[Celtics2021]

I thought they'd choose Ayton over Bridges, but it's been clear they'd have a problem keeping everyone.  We'll see if they turn down a rookie deal option in the next week -- Cam Johnson and Jalen Smith have a combined $10.5 million coming their way next year.  It'd be surprising, but not shocking, if one or both didn't get their deals picked up.

[nickagneta]

Any chance we go after Ayton? If the KAT plan fails he could be our backup! 

I know Timelord has a poison pill provision, but wonder if there is a way to use the large TPE and Williams to facilitate an Ayton to Boston trade.

[Celtics2021]

Any chance we go after Ayton? If the KAT plan fails he could be our backup! 

I know Timelord has a poison pill provision, but wonder if there is a way to use the large TPE and Williams to facilitate an Ayton to Boston trade.

We could trade Williams for Ayton straight up by using the TPE, yes.  Other small salaries could also be sent along if that’s how the negotiations went, but TL for Ayton works on its own salary-wise thanks to the TPE.

[RJD1974]

Any chance we go after Ayton? If the KAT plan fails he could be our backup! 

I know Timelord has a poison pill provision, but wonder if there is a way to use the large TPE and Williams to facilitate an Ayton to Boston trade.

We could trade Williams for Ayton straight up by using the TPE, yes.  Other small salaries could also be sent along if that’s how the negotiations went, but TL for Ayton works on its own salary-wise thanks to the TPE.

I don't think you can use the TPE in conjunction with another player's salary.

Edit to add: https://franchisesports.co.uk/nba-tpe-explained/

[tazzmaniac]

Any chance we go after Ayton? If the KAT plan fails he could be our backup! 

I know Timelord has a poison pill provision, but wonder if there is a way to use the large TPE and Williams to facilitate an Ayton to Boston trade.

We could trade Williams for Ayton straight up by using the TPE, yes.  Other small salaries could also be sent along if that’s how the negotiations went, but TL for Ayton works on its own salary-wise thanks to the TPE.

I don't think you can use the TPE in conjunction with another player's salary.

You can't.  TPEs can't be combined either. 

[Celtics2021]

Any chance we go after Ayton? If the KAT plan fails he could be our backup! 

I know Timelord has a poison pill provision, but wonder if there is a way to use the large TPE and Williams to facilitate an Ayton to Boston trade.

We could trade Williams for Ayton straight up by using the TPE, yes.  Other small salaries could also be sent along if that’s how the negotiations went, but TL for Ayton works on its own salary-wise thanks to the TPE.

I don't think you can use the TPE in conjunction with another player's salary.

You can’t aggregate a TPE with a player’s salary.  You can use a TPE to absorb a contract that fits into the TPE by itself, thus meaning you don’t need to worry about matching salaries, as long as it matches for the other team.  And that’s what this idea centers around.

[Moranis]

In Ayton's 3 seasons they are 85-93 (47.75%) with him and 17-30 (36.17%) without him and in his career are 1.6 points per 100 possessions with him in the game.  So he clearly affects them in a positive way on the court, though not at an elite level

[nickagneta]

Any chance we go after Ayton? If the KAT plan fails he could be our backup! 

I know Timelord has a poison pill provision, but wonder if there is a way to use the large TPE and Williams to facilitate an Ayton to Boston trade.

We could trade Williams for Ayton straight up by using the TPE, yes.  Other small salaries could also be sent along if that’s how the negotiations went, but TL for Ayton works on its own salary-wise thanks to the TPE.

I don't think you can use the TPE in conjunction with another player's salary.

You can’t aggregate a TPE with a player’s salary.  You can use a TPE to absorb a contract that fits into the TPE by itself, thus meaning you don’t need to worry about matching salaries, as long as it matches for the other team.  And that’s what this idea centers around.

Exactly. Simultaneous trades. Ayton for the TPE and then Timelord for whatever. It helps solve the poison pill issue because the Celtics can arrange the overarching trade one way and the Suns a different way to make it work for both teams.

[pearljammer10]

Since 2008 there are two first round draft picks that didn’t reach extensions with their teams. Anthony Bennet and Deandre Ayton.

I think it’s looney that the Suns didn’t sign Ayton to an extension. He’s 22, he’s coming off a Finals run where he averaged 16 and 12 while anchoring the defense. Chris Paul got locked down and if he has a better series distributing the ball you could argue Aytons numbers are even better. He has the second longest streak of consecutive playoff games shooting 60% or above at 17 behind Shaq.

If you’re dishing out 60 plus million dollars next year to Paul, Bridges, and Shamet, you gotta give Deandre the money. This could greatly impact team chemistry this season

[Birdman]

Still shock Paul got that long of a contract & money..Suns will regret it