Poll: Where do you rank D-Wade among the top SG's of all time?

[gouki88]

If Wade has a chance to be top 3, it really just goes to show there haven't been a ton of top tier SGs all-time. MJ and even Kobe completely blow Wade out of the water. There is a huge gap after those two to the Allen, AI, Drexler, Wade, West, Miller tier.

In the other thread comparing Wade to Dirk, the majority of people have Dirk ahead of Wade, but a couple people have explained that since Wade is top 3 and Dirk is [at best] top 5 at their respective positions, it means that Wade is better. I just don't believe in that reasoning.

I wonder if they'd extend the kind of reasoning you highlighted in the end of your post and say that by extension, Wade is superior to Hakeem. I don't think they would

[Moranis]

Wade has had a better career than Harden, but I'd take Harden of the last couple of seasons over any Wade season and wouldn't give it a second thought.  And since I expect Harden to end up with numbers in the same general range if not better, I'd easily have Harden ahead of Wade.  West to me was a clearly better player.  So at best I'd put Wade at 5.  I haven't gone deep enough to really and truly compare Wade to Iverson, Drexler, Allen, Maravich, etc.  And yeah, I think Maravich is often overlooked.  I mean can you imagine what his scoring numbers would have been with a 3 point line.  He probably scores around 40 a game at his peak (though walking away at 32 doesn't help his career numbers). 

This of course assumes you call Oscar Robertson a PG and not a SG.  There has been many a discussion on what position the Big O played as he often was on the court with a more traditional PG (and a smaller player) and he rarely guarded the opposing PG, especially the last half of his career. 

So I'd say 5-10.

[SHAQATTACK]

  Number 1   easy ...











dirty thug guard of all time ...hands down .

[gouki88]

Wade has had a better career than Harden, but I'd take Harden of the last couple of seasons over any Wade season and wouldn't give it a second thought.  And since I expect Harden to end up with numbers in the same general range if not better, I'd easily have Harden ahead of Wade.  West to me was a clearly better player.  So at best I'd put Wade at 5.  I haven't gone deep enough to really and truly compare Wade to Iverson, Drexler, Allen, Maravich, etc.  And yeah, I think Maravich is often overlooked.  I mean can you imagine what his scoring numbers would have been with a 3 point line.  He probably scores around 40 a game at his peak (though walking away at 32 doesn't help his career numbers). 

This of course assumes you call Oscar Robertson a PG and not a SG.  There has been many a discussion on what position the Big O played as he often was on the court with a more traditional PG (and a smaller player) and he rarely guarded the opposing PG, especially the last half of his career. 

So I'd say 5-10.

I agree with pretty much all of this after a bit of thought. Harden isn't even 30 yet and has already put up 3 consecutive seasons comparable if not better than DWade's absolute peak.

Maravich is another interesting guy to bring up. Without doubt the most otherworldly college scorer ever. Averaged 44PPG over 4 years. He then had some really good NBA seasons, but I don't think he ever peaked. Add a 3 point line and you have a whole new beast with him. Sadly his story is one of things being cut short, but I agree that he is definitely overlooked

[Silky]

I think top 5 for sure. MJ and Kobe are clearly ahead of him, and then I believe West, AI and Clyde are on the same level as Wade, all depending on personal preference.

Gervin & Ray Allen are just a drop below.

I debated the same thing, but put them and Reggie above as they have both set NBA records, something wade never did.

Wade played D.  Not sure the same could necessarily be said for Ray and certainly not Reggie.

Now I recall reggie being an adequate defender.

I mean he was the guy who had to guard the opposing players best sg/sf game after game. Those pacer teams had bad wing defense, but Reggie held his own.

[td450]

I rank him fourth after West, as I'm not a fan of Harden's game. BTW, I would rank Sydney Moncrief 6th. He was a beast, although he was great only for about 5 years.

[hwangjini_1]

Wade is behind only MJ and Kobe. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

ahead of jerry west? we will have to agree to disagree.

i place wade somewhere in the top 5 to 10 range for sg. jordan, kobe, west, maravich (better, but a shorter career), then whichever flavor you like for ranking the next group. harden is making a strong case lately.

[Fan from VT]

Top 5.

In a vacuum, I might have him and West above Kobe; Kobe had a lot of counting stats but also had just about the best situation for a SG for his whole career. Other SGs did more with less.

This random list I found isn't half bad overall:

https://www.nba.com/magic/ranking-70-best-shooting-guards-history-11-20180131

The link starts with 11-20 on one page, then goes 1 by 1 counting down the top 10. I forgot how good Gervin was, if you consider him a SG. Harden may rise up depending on his 2nd half of career.

[Csfan1984]

TMac was a SG a while if he is considered he was much better than Wade.

[KGs Knee]

So this thread has gone exactly how I knew it would. A bunch of bitter, petty Celtics fans not giving Wade his due respect.

Wade in his prime was easily better than any SG not named Jordan. Kobe gets the edge for longevity and health, but outside of him no other SG named in this thread has any business being placed above Wade.

I do think it's possible when all is said and done that Harden may end up passing Wade, though. But he isn't there yet.

[Moranis]

So this thread has gone exactly how I knew it would. A bunch of bitter, petty Celtics fans not giving Wade his due respect.

Wade in his prime was easily better than any SG not named Jordan. Kobe gets the edge for longevity and health, but outside of him no other SG named in this thread has any business being placed above Wade.

I do think it's possible when all is said and done that Harden may end up passing Wade, though. But he isn't there yet.

Jerry West has more career points than Dwyane Wade despite playing in an era without the 3 point shot.  West finished 2nd in MVP voting 4 times, 3rd once, and 5th 3 separate times (he also had a 6th and 12th).  So that is 8 seasons where he was a top 5 player in the sport (Wade has 2 top 5 finishes).  Jerry West was so good on a losing team in the Finals that he was named the Finals MVP.  The All Defensive Teams weren't created until the 68-69 season, despite being 30 and 9 years into his career, West made an All Defensive Team for the next 5 seasons (including 4 1st Teams).  It would have been expected that West would have made those teams during his best years pre-dating the creation of the team.  West also had 10 1st Team All NBA and 2 2nd Teams (they didn't have a 3rd team back then).  All of those All League Teams far exceed what Wade did (yes even defense, despite it not being around). 

It seems to me that you are the one that doesn't have the appropriate appreciation of the sport or its history because the simple truth is Jerry West was a better player and had a better career than Wade.  It really isn't a question.  West was just flat out better.

[Kuberski33]

Wade has had a better career than Harden, but I'd take Harden of the last couple of seasons over any Wade season and wouldn't give it a second thought.  And since I expect Harden to end up with numbers in the same general range if not better, I'd easily have Harden ahead of Wade.  West to me was a clearly better player.  So at best I'd put Wade at 5.  I haven't gone deep enough to really and truly compare Wade to Iverson, Drexler, Allen, Maravich, etc.  And yeah, I think Maravich is often overlooked.  I mean can you imagine what his scoring numbers would have been with a 3 point line.  He probably scores around 40 a game at his peak (though walking away at 32 doesn't help his career numbers). 

This of course assumes you call Oscar Robertson a PG and not a SG.  There has been many a discussion on what position the Big O played as he often was on the court with a more traditional PG (and a smaller player) and he rarely guarded the opposing PG, especially the last half of his career. 

So I'd say 5-10.

I agree with pretty much all of this after a bit of thought. Harden isn't even 30 yet and has already put up 3 consecutive seasons comparable if not better than DWade's absolute peak.

Maravich is another interesting guy to bring up. Without doubt the most otherworldly college scorer ever. Averaged 44PPG over 4 years. He then had some really good NBA seasons, but I don't think he ever peaked. Add a 3 point line and you have a whole new beast with him. Sadly his story is one of things being cut short, but I agree that he is definitely overlooked

Maravich in today's game would be an absolute stud. The way the game is now with all the kick out passes and moving the ball around the perimeter - he was better suited to today's NBA than the era in which he played. 

[celticsclay]

So this thread has gone exactly how I knew it would. A bunch of bitter, petty Celtics fans not giving Wade his due respect.

Wade in his prime was easily better than any SG not named Jordan. Kobe gets the edge for longevity and health, but outside of him no other SG named in this thread has any business being placed above Wade.

I do think it's possible when all is said and done that Harden may end up passing Wade, though. But he isn't there yet.

Jerry West has more career points than Dwyane Wade despite playing in an era without the 3 point shot.  West finished 2nd in MVP voting 4 times, 3rd once, and 5th 3 separate times (he also had a 6th and 12th).  So that is 8 seasons where he was a top 5 player in the sport (Wade has 2 top 5 finishes).  Jerry West was so good on a losing team in the Finals that he was named the Finals MVP.  The All Defensive Teams weren't created until the 68-69 season, despite being 30 and 9 years into his career, West made an All Defensive Team for the next 5 seasons (including 4 1st Teams).  It would have been expected that West would have made those teams during his best years pre-dating the creation of the team.  West also had 10 1st Team All NBA and 2 2nd Teams (they didn't have a 3rd team back then).  All of those All League Teams far exceed what Wade did (yes even defense, despite it not being around). 

It seems to me that you are the one that doesn't have the appropriate appreciation of the sport or its history because the simple truth is Jerry West was a better player and had a better career than Wade.  It really isn't a question.  West was just flat out better.

Strong post Moranis. I agree

[Somebody]

I used to rank Hondo above him but I never realized Hondo played so much SF.

[GreenEnvy]

So this thread has gone exactly how I knew it would. A bunch of bitter, petty Celtics fans not giving Wade his due respect.

Wade in his prime was easily better than any SG not named Jordan. Kobe gets the edge for longevity and health, but outside of him no other SG named in this thread has any business being placed above Wade.

I do think it's possible when all is said and done that Harden may end up passing Wade, though. But he isn't there yet.

What makes anyone here bitter or petty, the fact that they aren’t completely overvaluing a guy who benefitted from superior teammates for his noteworthy success?

Never won an MVP. I guess a Finals MVP, scoring title, and two 1st-team All-NBA nods makes you the second-best SG of all-time?

Okayyy. I’d rather be bitter and petty than delusional.

I’m his era alone, at best I’d put him 3rd behind Kobe and Harden (he’s been far more spectacular already, and clearly better in pretty much every facet offensively). He’s already got 4 seasons of higher WS than Wade’s best season. His prime is unquestionably better. Don’t go off longevity for Wade vs Harden but dismiss it for Wade vs Kobe.