CelticsStrong

Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: green_bballers13 on February 10, 2018, 08:07:16 PM

Title: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: green_bballers13 on February 10, 2018, 08:07:16 PM
Here's an opportunity to predict where IT will land and for how much.

My prediction: DET, ORL, NYK, BKN

Contract: 3 years, $60m
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2018, 08:11:17 PM
Brooklyn has D'angelo Russell, and Lin will be back too. I don't see them going for IT

IT is a Knicks type of player, I can see that happening.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RJ87 on February 10, 2018, 08:15:56 PM
One of the LA teams on a 2 year deal between $20m-25m, with a partial guarantee on the 2nd year so they can be players in the 2019 FA market.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: hodgy03038 on February 10, 2018, 08:48:03 PM
I can see DET, NYK or MIA. 2 years /30 mill. 2nd year a team option.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: cman88 on February 11, 2018, 09:54:04 AM
Thomas might have to play 1 year on a prove it deal unless he lights it up with the lakers.

I feel pretty bad for IT actually. a year ago today he was averaging 28ppg, leading the #1 seed in the east, was an MVP cantidate, on his way to earning a max contract

Now hes been traded by the Celtics to the cavs. The cavs then during the trade process killed his value by trashing him to squeeze a 2nd round pick out of danny. Then he struggles with the cavs for 15 games and they ship him off to the lakers.

I really hope for IT he regains his value on the lakers.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on February 11, 2018, 10:11:18 AM
Lou Williams' contract (3 yr/24 mil), while not awful for him, has set a low market value for guys like IT.  Unfortunately, he may make much less than expected.  That said, it only takes 1 team that believes in him to extend a much larger offer.

Side note: If Lou is making 8 mil, what does that mean for Smart?
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Who on February 11, 2018, 10:32:22 AM
Here's an opportunity to predict where IT will land and for how much.

My prediction: DET, ORL, NYK, BKN

Contract: 3 years, $60m

Orlando is a good one. Desperate for a go-to scorer and in need of a new PG.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: green_bballers13 on February 11, 2018, 10:36:20 AM
Lou Williams' contract (3 yr/24 mil), while not awful for him, has set a low market value for guys like IT.  Unfortunately, he may make much less than expected.  That said, it only takes 1 team that believes in him to extend a much larger offer.

Side note: If Lou is making 8 mil, what does that mean for Smart?

I still think Marcus gets 4x10. He's younger and can help change a defense's culture.

I find it hard to have sympathy for guys that will get paid millions to play a kids game. I feel bad for guys like Ryan Shazier who get really hurt playing a game.

I wonder if Pop would kick the tires on IT in SA. He would be their main playmaker, besides Kawhi.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: footey on February 11, 2018, 10:44:19 AM
Proven healthy IT will get a 20mm per year multi-year contract. Unhealthy IT lucky to get league min.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Gomesfan on February 11, 2018, 10:52:08 AM
Any chance Isaiah gets bought out?
My dream is “IT” gets bought out as the LAL have compassion and let him sign with a real contender and we all know the love he has for the Celtics! I know that’s a lot of guards, but if anyone can make it work Stevens can!
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RodyTur10 on February 11, 2018, 11:14:52 AM
I think that Philadelphia lands LeBron and that the Lakers fail to sign the top free agents and wait out another year and offer Thomas a one-year-contract of around 15-18 million. Maybe the Knicks offer Thomas a multi-year deal, but I think even the Knicks don't want to take the gamble anymore after the catastrophe with Noah.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 11, 2018, 11:26:46 AM
I think that Philadelphia lands LeBron and that the Lakers fail to sign the top free agents and wait out another year and offer Thomas a one-year-contract of around 15-18 million. Maybe the Knicks offer Thomas a multi-year deal, but I think even the Knicks don't want to take the gamble anymore after the catastrophe with Noah.

Hope you are correct that LeBron sign with Philly.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 11, 2018, 11:27:00 AM
Found this interesting:

Quote
A brief poll of some NBA front-office executives on Thomas’s value this summer revealed that a long-term, rich contract is likely out of the question. Their responses settled around the mid-level exception (roughly $8.5 million) with one saying, “something under $10 million” and another adding, “someone will give him a one-year deal.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/02/10/isaiah-thomas-earned-a-long-overdue-raise-he-just-fell-short-of-getting-it/?utm_term=.dfe5c4e25e51
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 11, 2018, 11:27:09 AM
If LA bombs on Bron .....I d give IT 50 % chance taking a decn offer.  He is liked in LA fan base .  If LA bombs out on Bron and PG .....I think IT is lock for a nce contract with Lakers l. He is entertaining and fits well with younger dudes. 

If Lakers get two Max players .....IT is probably gone ..... I like the Orlando fit the best , maybe Knicks .
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: jambr380 on February 11, 2018, 11:31:40 AM
Lou Williams' contract (3 yr/24 mil), while not awful for him, has set a low market value for guys like IT.  Unfortunately, he may make much less than expected.  That said, it only takes 1 team that believes in him to extend a much larger offer.

Side note: If Lou is making 8 mil, what does that mean for Smart?

Lou Williams set his own market value by not waiting until FA to field offers from other teams. But, in general, I agree - as teams just won't have as much money to spend this offseason.

At the very least, I see IT getting a JJ Redick type contract to bring excitement to a place like NYK or ORL. If the Lakers strike out, he may very well fit in there, too. Lonzo is a taller PG and IT can play on or off the ball.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on February 11, 2018, 11:33:08 AM
Found this interesting:

Quote
A brief poll of some NBA front-office executives on Thomas’s value this summer revealed that a long-term, rich contract is likely out of the question. Their responses settled around the mid-level exception (roughly $8.5 million) with one saying, “something under $10 million” and another adding, “someone will give him a one-year deal.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/02/10/isaiah-thomas-earned-a-long-overdue-raise-he-just-fell-short-of-getting-it/?utm_term=.dfe5c4e25e51

TP for the link.  That's right in Lou's vicinity.  Hopefully one team really covets him -- maybe LAL -- and he can regain some of his form in the next couple of months.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: GreenShooter on February 11, 2018, 11:44:06 AM
Im not worried about Lebron going to LA. He's no spring chicken, has played 15 years already and has seen his better days. Though he's still dominant the fact that he'll be 34 next year, has logged about the most minutes during the past 15 years says a lot about how he's going to age. He's also a big boy and that could work against him, unless he's got some serious "recovery" medicine.
We're in good position to take over the Eastern Conference, whether Lebron stays or goes.
I'm more worried about staying healthy, picking up a good shooter and keeping this team mostly intact for the next few years.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on February 11, 2018, 12:01:50 PM
Lou Williams' contract (3 yr/24 mil), while not awful for him, has set a low market value for guys like IT.  Unfortunately, he may make much less than expected.  That said, it only takes 1 team that believes in him to extend a much larger offer.

Side note: If Lou is making 8 mil, what does that mean for Smart?

Lou Williams set his own market value by not waiting until FA to field offers from other teams. But, in general, I agree - as teams just won't have as much money to spend this offseason.

At the very least, I see IT getting a JJ Redick type contract to bring excitement to a place like NYK or ORL. If the Lakers strike out, he may very well fit in there, too. Lonzo is a taller PG and IT can play on or off the ball.

It was his choice though, so you'd assume it's a reflection of maybe a desire for security along with the offseason market.  Hard to tell how influential it'll be, but it is a precedent from a guy that has scored 30 points 15x already this year.

I hope you're right re: IT.  A Redick-like offer would be more than ideal for him.  I'd imagine there will only be 1 or 2 teams at play.  I don't understand ORL; LAL prob strikes out on LBJ/PG. Agree that NYK could be the most likely -- they have Ntilikina and now Mudiay to manage, but they've also been the most frequent employers of short-term flamethrowers for the past decade.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/michael-beasley-is-instant-offense-but-hes-stuck-being-an-nba-nomad/#fn-2   (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/michael-beasley-is-instant-offense-but-hes-stuck-being-an-nba-nomad/#fn-2)
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Phantom255x on February 11, 2018, 12:18:16 PM
I think if Lakers completely strike out in the 2018 FA class, they sign Isaiah to something like a 2/36M deal (2nd year team option of course).

Otherwise, teams like ORL and NYK come to mind who can offer Isaiah 3 year deals at 18-20M/Year.

But yeah, he's unfortunately not getting a max-contract from any team. Still could get paid well though so long as he's healthy and averaging 18-20 PPG.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RJ87 on February 11, 2018, 12:28:43 PM
Any chance Isaiah gets bought out?
My dream is “IT” gets bought out as the LAL have compassion and let him sign with a real contender and we all know the love he has for the Celtics! I know that’s a lot of guards, but if anyone can make it work Stevens can!

I don't think the locker room dynamics would work at all. I don't see IT coming here and deferring to the guy Danny traded him for. I think it'd be a complete disaster something like the Cavs dealt with before trading him.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 11, 2018, 02:03:38 PM
Do you think Lou Williams just set Thomas' next contract?

Williams' year this year is comparable to his first full season with the Celtics.
http://bkref.com/tiny/sAqKn

Thomas is younger, but Williams doesn't have the injury concerns.

7 million in 17-18, 8 million in 18-19, 8 million in 19-20, and 1.5 million guarenteed (8 million total) in 20-21
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Eddie20 on July 02, 2018, 07:41:39 PM
Not looking good....
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 02, 2018, 07:43:38 PM
Detroit is a good place to go, especially if they are trying to make the Playoffs. Orlando is an obvious choice, DJ Augustin is not a good PG.

Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RJ87 on July 02, 2018, 07:45:05 PM
Quote
Keith Smith

Verified account
 
@KeithSmithNBA
 8m8 minutes ago
More
The Los Angeles Lakers have renounced the free rights to guard Isaiah Thomas.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Eddie20 on July 02, 2018, 07:47:08 PM
Detroit is a good place to go, especially if they are trying to make the Playoffs. Orlando is an obvious choice, DJ Augustin is not a good PG.

But at what price? At this point giving him the MLE seems like you're only bidding against yourself, so is he going to start getting vet minimum offers, or at the best Baynes type money.

Never in my wildest dreams would I think that Rondo and Van Fleet would have a much better market in free agency.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 02, 2018, 07:52:37 PM
Detroit is a good place to go, especially if they are trying to make the Playoffs. Orlando is an obvious choice, DJ Augustin is not a good PG.

But at what price? At this point giving him the MLE seems like you're only bidding against yourself, so is he going to start getting vet minimum offers, or at the best Baynes type money.

Never in my wildest dreams would I think that Rondo and Van Fleet would have a much better market in free agency.



Joe Harris could have landed more guaranteed money than both Isaiah Thomas and Demarcus Cousins get combined. No one probably saw that coming.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Eddie20 on July 02, 2018, 07:56:39 PM
Detroit is a good place to go, especially if they are trying to make the Playoffs. Orlando is an obvious choice, DJ Augustin is not a good PG.

But at what price? At this point giving him the MLE seems like you're only bidding against yourself, so is he going to start getting vet minimum offers, or at the best Baynes type money.

Never in my wildest dreams would I think that Rondo and Van Fleet would have a much better market in free agency.



Joe Harris could have landed more guaranteed money than both Isaiah Thomas and Demarcus Cousins get combined. No one probably saw that coming.

That's a comment full of racist undertones.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: celticsclay on July 02, 2018, 07:58:06 PM
Detroit is a good place to go, especially if they are trying to make the Playoffs. Orlando is an obvious choice, DJ Augustin is not a good PG.

But at what price? At this point giving him the MLE seems like you're only bidding against yourself, so is he going to start getting vet minimum offers, or at the best Baynes type money.

Never in my wildest dreams would I think that Rondo and Van Fleet would have a much better market in free agency.



Joe Harris could have landed more guaranteed money than both Isaiah Thomas and Demarcus Cousins get combined. No one probably saw that coming.

That's a comment full of racist undertones.

??
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Tr1boy on July 02, 2018, 08:01:08 PM
I can see DET, NYK or MIA. 2 years /30 mill. 2nd year a team option.

no way

Thomas will get 4-5 million 1 year deal from somebody.

If I was Thomas, right now, don't care about the money vs opportunity to start
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Eddie20 on July 02, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
I can see DET, NYK or MIA. 2 years /30 mill. 2nd year a team option.

no way

Thomas will get 4-5 million 1 year deal from somebody.

If I was Thomas, right now, don't care about the money vs opportunity to start

Okay, nane the teams.

- Little money out there

- Injury concerns

- Majority of teams have PG's

- Teams without PG's will likely be looking to tank and/or develop younger players

- Pretty much every contender, teams trying to win now, has their starter in place

- Teams know that Isaiah is going to come in looking to get his (not in a good way - jacking up a lot of shots) as he'll be looking to have a bounce back year to get paid next summer

- He's made it clear he's not a backup
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Phantom255x on July 02, 2018, 08:09:24 PM
He'll come back to Boston on a 1 year, veteran minimum "prove it" deal  ;D
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Fred Roberts on July 02, 2018, 08:10:35 PM
Orlando.
1 year, $5M.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Birdman on July 02, 2018, 08:11:22 PM
He'll come back to Boston on a 1 year, veteran minimum "prove it" deal  ;D
wouldnt surprise me
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 02, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
He ll be back eventually

he belongs to the Celts cult
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Sketch5 on July 02, 2018, 08:19:59 PM
He'll come back to Boston on a 1 year, veteran minimum "prove it" deal  ;D
wouldnt surprise me

IT coming off the bench would help with scoring lulls. Makes Rozier a bit easier to move. Imagine if we got lucky and Just had to move Rozier/Morris/Yabu and fodder, and a bunch of picks for Leonard.

Starters::: Irving/Leonard/HAyward/Tatum/Horford
Bench:::IT/Smart/Brown/Theis/Baynes/Williams/Wanamaker
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Celts Fan 508 on July 02, 2018, 08:29:21 PM
He'll come back to Boston on a 1 year, veteran minimum "prove it" deal  ;D
wouldnt surprise me

IT coming off the bench would help with scoring lulls. Makes Rozier a bit easier to move. Imagine if we got lucky and Just had to move Rozier/Morris/Yabu and fodder, and a bunch of picks for Leonard.

Starters::: Irving/Leonard/HAyward/Tatum/Horford
Bench:::IT/Smart/Brown/Theis/Baynes/Williams/Wanamaker

Our bench would finish top 4 in the East.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: jambr380 on July 02, 2018, 08:40:29 PM
Detroit is a good place to go, especially if they are trying to make the Playoffs. Orlando is an obvious choice, DJ Augustin is not a good PG.

But at what price? At this point giving him the MLE seems like you're only bidding against yourself, so is he going to start getting vet minimum offers, or at the best Baynes type money.

Never in my wildest dreams would I think that Rondo and Van Fleet would have a much better market in free agency.



Joe Harris could have landed more guaranteed money than both Isaiah Thomas and Demarcus Cousins get combined. No one probably saw that coming.

That's a comment full of racist undertones.

I see what you did there...very funny

Hoping for the best for IT and Bradley - pretty funny we were all worried about them getting well over $20M/yr each and now they might very well not get the MLE.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: ThaPreacher on July 02, 2018, 09:05:54 PM
Wow.
A year ago he was untradeable and worth MAX money to some people on this blog.
Now, we are wondering what team he will land with and whether he will come off the bench.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RLewis35 on July 02, 2018, 09:38:45 PM
New York Knicks - 1 year 5M.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: JSD on July 02, 2018, 10:40:59 PM
Back to Cleveland with 1 Year MLE, player option on second year.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 02, 2018, 10:47:55 PM
IT would get the best both worlds in NY.... he can get the exposure AND the playing time.

This is his chance to show 2016-17 wasn’t a fluke and he deserves a nine-figure deal.

Take a few million less to showcase yourself.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 02, 2018, 10:48:38 PM
Back to Cleveland with 1 Year MLE, player option on second year.

no,way...those fans hated him .   IT got too much pride to play in thta hell hole.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: TA9 on July 03, 2018, 08:05:39 AM
Seems like Orlando is a real possibility:

Quote
Alex Kennedy: Isaiah Thomas followed the Orlando Magic on Twitter today. It seems Thomas wants to go somewhere he can play a lot, so Orlando makes a lot of sense. He’d get a lot of touches and the only other point guard on the roster is DJ Augustin.

Probably going to be a 1-year contract.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 03, 2018, 11:54:29 AM
Bad team gives him 4.5M to help them sell tickets
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: apc on July 03, 2018, 12:00:07 PM
Pelicans
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 12:01:56 PM
Seems like Orlando is a real possibility:

Quote
Alex Kennedy: Isaiah Thomas followed the Orlando Magic on Twitter today. It seems Thomas wants to go somewhere he can play a lot, so Orlando makes a lot of sense. He’d get a lot of touches and the only other point guard on the roster is DJ Augustin.

Probably going to be a 1-year contract.

1 year at the mid-level isn’t the worst for either.  The Magic would like to stop losing and IT wants a starting role and hates losing.  Might have a second year with a player option if I had to guess.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: bdm860 on July 03, 2018, 12:49:10 PM
I like my NBA salty, and I guess part of Demarcus Cousins' narrative is that he was upset teams weren't offering what he felt he deserved, so he said "screw you all, you won't pay me big money, I'm joining the Warriors for the mid-level."

I'd actually love it if Isaiah did the same.  "I'm an All-NBA All-Star who averaged 30ppg, played the day after my sister died, actually played the whole playoffs on a bum hip, put up a monster 53 point game, and ya'll still don't think I'm worth a brinks truck!?  You only want to offer me the mid-level?  Screw you all, I'm joining the Warriors for the minimum."

Plus it'd be interesting to see how the narrative on him does a 180.  From never getting back to his '17 level to suddenly the Warriors signed another automatic All-Star to be their 8th man.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: ozgod on July 03, 2018, 12:51:32 PM
Kind of sad how it turned out for IT  :( but life throws you a lot of curveballs I guess.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Fafnir on July 03, 2018, 12:52:59 PM
I like my NBA salty, and I guess part of Demarcus Cousins' narrative is that he was upset teams weren't offering what he felt he deserved, so he said "screw you all, you won't pay me big money, I'm joining the Warriors for the mid-level."

I'd actually love it if Isaiah did the same.  "I'm an All-NBA All-Star who averaged 30ppg, played the day after my sister died, actually played the whole playoffs on a bum hip, put up a monster 53 point game, and ya'll still don't think I'm worth a brinks truck!?  You only want to offer me the mid-level?  Screw you all, I'm joining the Warriors for the minimum."

Plus it'd be interesting to see how the narrative on him does a 180.  From never getting back to his '17 level to suddenly the Warriors signed another automatic All-Star to be their 8th man.
I don't think the Warriors would want him.

They want to get younger and more athletic at the wing reportedly.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on July 03, 2018, 12:58:05 PM
I just think it is sad McBucketts scored a contract before him.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: BitterJim on July 03, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
How would New Orleans be as a destination? Boogie is gone, Rondo is gone, why not try an IT/Jrue Holiday backcourt?
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: action781 on July 03, 2018, 01:09:25 PM
How would New Orleans be as a destination? Boogie is gone, Rondo is gone, why not try an IT/Jrue Holiday backcourt?
They did sign Elfrid Payton, but I'd say IT is better than him, so I'd try it if I were them.  They've gotta be kinda desperate for potential talent.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: SparzWizard on July 03, 2018, 01:15:06 PM
Isaiah Thomas did his thing and helped sabotaged the Cavaliers and Lakers.

He was a true Celtic deep down. Too bad, he now thrown around like a ragged doll in the NBA.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 01:16:09 PM
How would New Orleans be as a destination? Boogie is gone, Rondo is gone, why not try an IT/Jrue Holiday backcourt?
They did sign Elfrid Payton, but I'd say IT is better than him, so I'd try it if I were them.  They've gotta be kinda desperate for potential talent.

Accordingly they only have the minimum left, unless they make a trade before completing the signings after the moratorium.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: CelticsElite on July 03, 2018, 01:18:43 PM
Kind of sad how it turned out for IT  :( but life throws you a lot of curveballs I guess.
how did it turn out? No one knows what he will get offered
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Rakulp on July 03, 2018, 01:29:17 PM
Kind of sad how it turned out for IT  :( but life throws you a lot of curveballs I guess.
how did it turn out? No one knows what he will get offered
It won't be a Brinks truck...be lucky if it's a U-Haul.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: action781 on July 03, 2018, 01:39:32 PM
How would New Orleans be as a destination? Boogie is gone, Rondo is gone, why not try an IT/Jrue Holiday backcourt?
They did sign Elfrid Payton, but I'd say IT is better than him, so I'd try it if I were them.  They've gotta be kinda desperate for potential talent.

Accordingly they only have the minimum left, unless they make a trade before completing the signings after the moratorium.

If they waive some of their non-guaranteed players, can they sign Randle with cap space and Payton with the biannual to still preserve their MLE?
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 01:40:24 PM
How would New Orleans be as a destination? Boogie is gone, Rondo is gone, why not try an IT/Jrue Holiday backcourt?
They did sign Elfrid Payton, but I'd say IT is better than him, so I'd try it if I were them.  They've gotta be kinda desperate for potential talent.

Accordingly they only have the minimum left, unless they make a trade before completing the signings after the moratorium.

If they waive some of their non-guaranteed players, can they sign Randle with cap space and Payton with the biannual to still preserve their MLE?

No.  Firstly they wouldn’t have the cap space.  Secondly you don’t get to use cap space AND and MLE.  It’s one or the other.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: ozgod on July 03, 2018, 01:45:08 PM
Kind of sad how it turned out for IT  :( but life throws you a lot of curveballs I guess.
how did it turn out? No one knows what he will get offered
It won't be a Brinks truck...be lucky if it's a U-Haul.

Might be the trunk of a Ford Focus :(
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 01:45:57 PM
Kind of sad how it turned out for IT  :( but life throws you a lot of curveballs I guess.
how did it turn out? No one knows what he will get offered
It won't be a Brinks truck...be lucky if it's a U-Haul.

Might be the trunk of a Ford Focus :(

People are welcome to fill the trunk of my Ford Focus with cash.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: action781 on July 03, 2018, 06:22:44 PM
How would New Orleans be as a destination? Boogie is gone, Rondo is gone, why not try an IT/Jrue Holiday backcourt?
They did sign Elfrid Payton, but I'd say IT is better than him, so I'd try it if I were them.  They've gotta be kinda desperate for potential talent.

Accordingly they only have the minimum left, unless they make a trade before completing the signings after the moratorium.

If they waive some of their non-guaranteed players, can they sign Randle with cap space and Payton with the biannual to still preserve their MLE?

No.  Firstly they wouldn’t have the cap space.  Secondly you don’t get to use cap space AND and MLE.  It’s one or the other.

Ahhh, always wondered about the Secondly.  Thanks and TP!
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Androslav on July 03, 2018, 06:37:31 PM
Orlando or Detroit.
I think he will go to Florida, but I'd love healthy IT "encore".
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 03, 2018, 06:40:43 PM
How would New Orleans be as a destination? Boogie is gone, Rondo is gone, why not try an IT/Jrue Holiday backcourt?
They did sign Elfrid Payton, but I'd say IT is better than him, so I'd try it if I were them.  They've gotta be kinda desperate for potential talent.

Accordingly they only have the minimum left, unless they make a trade before completing the signings after the moratorium.

If they waive some of their non-guaranteed players, can they sign Randle with cap space and Payton with the biannual to still preserve their MLE?

No.  Firstly they wouldn’t have the cap space.  Secondly you don’t get to use cap space AND and MLE.  It’s one or the other.

Ahhh, always wondered about the Secondly.  Thanks and TP!
They are able to use the room exception (~4.4M) . 
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 06:42:08 PM
How would New Orleans be as a destination? Boogie is gone, Rondo is gone, why not try an IT/Jrue Holiday backcourt?
They did sign Elfrid Payton, but I'd say IT is better than him, so I'd try it if I were them.  They've gotta be kinda desperate for potential talent.

Accordingly they only have the minimum left, unless they make a trade before completing the signings after the moratorium.

If they waive some of their non-guaranteed players, can they sign Randle with cap space and Payton with the biannual to still preserve their MLE?

No.  Firstly they wouldn’t have the cap space.  Secondly you don’t get to use cap space AND and MLE.  It’s one or the other.

Ahhh, always wondered about the Secondly.  Thanks and TP!
They are able to use the room exception (~4.4M) .

Yes, but I knew that wasn’t what he meant. 
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 04, 2018, 12:27:36 AM
Quote
Isaiah Thomas and the Orlando Magic are negotiating a possible deal, according to league sources. Nothing has been agreed to yet, but it seems both sides want to get this done

https://twitter.com/alexkennedynba/status/1014315281576005634?s=21
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: colincb on July 04, 2018, 01:24:32 AM
Quote
Isaiah Thomas and the Orlando Magic are negotiating a possible deal, according to league sources. Nothing has been agreed to yet, but it seems both sides want to get this done

https://twitter.com/alexkennedynba/status/1014315281576005634?s=21

Great landing spot for him. Wonder if they'll do a 1+1 contract.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 04, 2018, 02:31:32 AM
Celtics should just trade Kyrie for Kawhi and then resign IT!

Then we can make the play for AD without Kyrie and his Rose Rule contract.

Brown/SAC19/MEM19/Morris/Yabu/fillers.


I’m kidding, but that could be a really fun team if IT returns to glory. If not, he’s still a super sub and Rozier can start alongside Leonard, Hayward, Horford, and Davis.

Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2018, 03:51:43 AM
Already posted this in the rumours thread.

Looks like Orlando is interested.

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1014248999245803520
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Fred Roberts on July 04, 2018, 09:14:10 PM
Orlando.
1 year, $5M.

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Report-Orlando-Magic-negotiating-a-contract-with-Isaiah-Thomas--119569266/

Looks like the Magic. I think he's an awesome fit for them. He can run the show and pump his stats and help the youngsters grow. Will he get more than $5M? Probably!
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Big333223 on July 04, 2018, 09:38:42 PM
Good. Orlando is a terrific fit for him. He might even push them into the playoffs, the way the East is. Remember how hot Orlando started last season?

If IT can get close to his old form and they get any development out of Jonathan Isaac, I think they've got enough veterans to win 42 games in this conference.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Phantom255x on July 04, 2018, 10:15:14 PM
Orlando.
1 year, $5M.

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Report-Orlando-Magic-negotiating-a-contract-with-Isaiah-Thomas--119569266/

Looks like the Magic. I think he's an awesome fit for them. He can run the show and pump his stats and help the youngsters grow. Will he get more than $5M? Probably!

Don't think it's official yet. I think Isaiah will get a 2 year deal (2nd year option of sorts), and it will be for around 8-10M/Year. I'd be happy for him  ;D
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RJ87 on July 04, 2018, 10:17:45 PM
Orlando.
1 year, $5M.

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Report-Orlando-Magic-negotiating-a-contract-with-Isaiah-Thomas--119569266/

Looks like the Magic. I think he's an awesome fit for them. He can run the show and pump his stats and help the youngsters grow. Will he get more than $5M? Probably!

Don't think it's official yet. I think Isaiah will get a 2 year deal (2nd year option of sorts), and it will be for around 8-10M/Year. I'd be happy for him  ;D

That much? That feels like an overpay at this point. I think $5mil or less.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: footey on July 04, 2018, 10:18:00 PM
Good. Orlando is a terrific fit for him. He might even push them into the playoffs, the way the East is. Remember how hot Orlando started last season?

If IT can get close to his old form and they get any development out of Jonathan Isaac, I think they've got enough veterans to win 42 games in this conference.

42? Orlando? Whoa there.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Phantom255x on July 04, 2018, 10:19:00 PM
Orlando.
1 year, $5M.

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Report-Orlando-Magic-negotiating-a-contract-with-Isaiah-Thomas--119569266/

Looks like the Magic. I think he's an awesome fit for them. He can run the show and pump his stats and help the youngsters grow. Will he get more than $5M? Probably!

Don't think it's official yet. I think Isaiah will get a 2 year deal (2nd year option of sorts), and it will be for around 8-10M/Year. I'd be happy for him  ;D

That much? That feels like an overpay at this point. I think $5mil or less.

Kind of optimistic, yes. Honestly feel bad he'd have to just settle for 5M when almost a year ago there were arguments on whether he was a "max-player". The injury (and trade) definitely put a damper on things for him. He may have annoyed us with the Brinks Truck talk, but he truly did bleed green in his time here, and so I hope he gets a nice deal at Orlando (or somewhere else).

I actually think Isaiah (if healthy) could really increase his value with a great season, and it's a good fit in Orlando IMHO.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 04, 2018, 10:28:38 PM
Orlando.
1 year, $5M.

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Report-Orlando-Magic-negotiating-a-contract-with-Isaiah-Thomas--119569266/

Looks like the Magic. I think he's an awesome fit for them. He can run the show and pump his stats and help the youngsters grow. Will he get more than $5M? Probably!

Don't think it's official yet. I think Isaiah will get a 2 year deal (2nd year option of sorts), and it will be for around 8-10M/Year. I'd be happy for him  ;D

That much? That feels like an overpay at this point. I think $5mil or less.

Kind of optimistic, yes. Honestly feel bad he'd have to just settle for 5M when almost a year ago there were arguments on whether he was a "max-player". The injury (and trade) definitely put a damper on things for him. He may have annoyed us with the Brinks Truck talk, but he truly did bleed green in his time here, and so I hope he gets a nice deal at Orlando (or somewhere else).

I actually think Isaiah (if healthy) could really increase his value with a great season, and it's a good fit in Orlando IMHO.
If Orlando gives him 8-10M, they're bidding against themselves.  Where else can IT go where he'd be able to start?  Giving him a player option would be a big mistake.  The only reason he'd use it is if he played poorly or got injured again.  If I'm Orlando, I make half of what he gets contingent on him playing 40+ games. 
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Big333223 on July 05, 2018, 07:09:09 AM
Good. Orlando is a terrific fit for him. He might even push them into the playoffs, the way the East is. Remember how hot Orlando started last season?

If IT can get close to his old form and they get any development out of Jonathan Isaac, I think they've got enough veterans to win 42 games in this conference.

42? Orlando? Whoa there.

Sure. With Steve Clifford coming on board, if those two things happen I can definitely see them winning 42 games.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 05, 2018, 07:26:00 AM
My only concern for Orlando is that IT soaks up all the profit from Disney World.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Redz on July 05, 2018, 08:48:21 AM
My only concern for Orlando is that IT soaks up all the profit from Disney World.

Snow White looking for a new "little guy"?
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 05, 2018, 11:48:30 AM
My only concern for Orlando is that IT soaks up all the profit from Disney World.

Snow White looking for a new "little guy"?

Lol.  Speedy, the 8th dwarf.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: mmmmm on July 05, 2018, 01:37:57 PM
Orlando.
1 year, $5M.

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Report-Orlando-Magic-negotiating-a-contract-with-Isaiah-Thomas--119569266/

Looks like the Magic. I think he's an awesome fit for them. He can run the show and pump his stats and help the youngsters grow. Will he get more than $5M? Probably!

Don't think it's official yet. I think Isaiah will get a 2 year deal (2nd year option of sorts), and it will be for around 8-10M/Year. I'd be happy for him  ;D

That much? That feels like an overpay at this point. I think $5mil or less.

Kind of optimistic, yes. Honestly feel bad he'd have to just settle for 5M when almost a year ago there were arguments on whether he was a "max-player". The injury (and trade) definitely put a damper on things for him. He may have annoyed us with the Brinks Truck talk, but he truly did bleed green in his time here, and so I hope he gets a nice deal at Orlando (or somewhere else).

I actually think Isaiah (if healthy) could really increase his value with a great season, and it's a good fit in Orlando IMHO.
If Orlando gives him 8-10M, they're bidding against themselves.  Where else can IT go where he'd be able to start?  Giving him a player option would be a big mistake.  The only reason he'd use it is if he played poorly or got injured again.  If I'm Orlando, I make half of what he gets contingent on him playing 40+ games.

In this kind of scenario the two working models are either:

Low salary + a player option.  The team is protected by the low salary.  Player is protected against a bad year (or slow recovery from the injury), gets a second year chance to prove it.  If the player comes back strong he is protected by being able to re-enter the FA pool and the team probably doesn't mind that they got a great year for dirt cheap.

Higher salary + team option.  The player is protected by the higher salary.  The team is protected from long term commitment should the player struggle or get re-injured.  And if he comes back strong the team is rewarded with a second year of control.

So I would guess likely contract options for Thomas might be either a 4-5M deal with a player option or a ~8M deal with a team option.

Note that the total dollars (and how much is guaranteed) tend to matter more to the player while the control of their cap space and tax liabilities tend to matter more to the teams.   
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: No Nickname on July 05, 2018, 01:52:48 PM
Orlando.
1 year, $5M.

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Report-Orlando-Magic-negotiating-a-contract-with-Isaiah-Thomas--119569266/

Looks like the Magic. I think he's an awesome fit for them. He can run the show and pump his stats and help the youngsters grow. Will he get more than $5M? Probably!

Don't think it's official yet. I think Isaiah will get a 2 year deal (2nd year option of sorts), and it will be for around 8-10M/Year. I'd be happy for him  ;D

That much? That feels like an overpay at this point. I think $5mil or less.

Kind of optimistic, yes. Honestly feel bad he'd have to just settle for 5M when almost a year ago there were arguments on whether he was a "max-player". The injury (and trade) definitely put a damper on things for him. He may have annoyed us with the Brinks Truck talk, but he truly did bleed green in his time here, and so I hope he gets a nice deal at Orlando (or somewhere else).

I actually think Isaiah (if healthy) could really increase his value with a great season, and it's a good fit in Orlando IMHO.
If Orlando gives him 8-10M, they're bidding against themselves.  Where else can IT go where he'd be able to start?  Giving him a player option would be a big mistake.  The only reason he'd use it is if he played poorly or got injured again.  If I'm Orlando, I make half of what he gets contingent on him playing 40+ games.

In this kind of scenario the two working models are either:

Low salary + a player option.  The team is protected by the low salary.  Player is protected against a bad year (or slow recovery from the injury), gets a second year chance to prove it.  If the player comes back strong he is protected by being able to re-enter the FA pool and the team probably doesn't mind that they got a great year for dirt cheap.

Higher salary + team option.  The player is protected by the higher salary.  The team is protected from long term commitment should the player struggle or get re-injured.  And if he comes back strong the team is rewarded with a second year of control.

So I would guess likely contract options for Thomas might be either a 4-5M deal with a player option or a ~8M deal with a team option.

Note that the total dollars (and how much is guaranteed) tend to matter more to the player while the control of their cap space and tax liabilities tend to matter more to the teams.

Really well put.  Kudos.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 01:58:43 PM
Orlando.
1 year, $5M.

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Report-Orlando-Magic-negotiating-a-contract-with-Isaiah-Thomas--119569266/

Looks like the Magic. I think he's an awesome fit for them. He can run the show and pump his stats and help the youngsters grow. Will he get more than $5M? Probably!

Don't think it's official yet. I think Isaiah will get a 2 year deal (2nd year option of sorts), and it will be for around 8-10M/Year. I'd be happy for him  ;D

That much? That feels like an overpay at this point. I think $5mil or less.

Kind of optimistic, yes. Honestly feel bad he'd have to just settle for 5M when almost a year ago there were arguments on whether he was a "max-player". The injury (and trade) definitely put a damper on things for him. He may have annoyed us with the Brinks Truck talk, but he truly did bleed green in his time here, and so I hope he gets a nice deal at Orlando (or somewhere else).

I actually think Isaiah (if healthy) could really increase his value with a great season, and it's a good fit in Orlando IMHO.
If Orlando gives him 8-10M, they're bidding against themselves.  Where else can IT go where he'd be able to start?  Giving him a player option would be a big mistake.  The only reason he'd use it is if he played poorly or got injured again.  If I'm Orlando, I make half of what he gets contingent on him playing 40+ games.

They’re not entirely bidding against themselves.  The Magic don’t look to have tons of cap room next year as is, relative to most teams.  It’s not entirely impossible that they have no cap room at all if they keep Terrance Ross or Nikola Vucevic around.  Giving IT the full MLE this year enables them to re-sign him next year at a salary beginning at $10.3 million using non-Bird rights.  It’s not impossible IT has a limited market next summer again — sure, tons of teams have cap room, but there will be a massive amount of free agents, and teams could still be scared off from his health.  Giving him a 1-year deal this year at $8.6 million is a relatively small price increase compared to the $5-6 million he might get from someone else if it gives you the opportunity to make a competitive offer to IT next summer, should things work out well enough this year.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: BMark on July 05, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
I agree Orlando is perfect for IT.  With Bamba, Isaac and Gordon backing him up he won't have to play any defense!
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: No Nickname on July 05, 2018, 03:26:14 PM
Orlando.
1 year, $5M.

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Report-Orlando-Magic-negotiating-a-contract-with-Isaiah-Thomas--119569266/

Looks like the Magic. I think he's an awesome fit for them. He can run the show and pump his stats and help the youngsters grow. Will he get more than $5M? Probably!

Don't think it's official yet. I think Isaiah will get a 2 year deal (2nd year option of sorts), and it will be for around 8-10M/Year. I'd be happy for him  ;D

That much? That feels like an overpay at this point. I think $5mil or less.

Kind of optimistic, yes. Honestly feel bad he'd have to just settle for 5M when almost a year ago there were arguments on whether he was a "max-player". The injury (and trade) definitely put a damper on things for him. He may have annoyed us with the Brinks Truck talk, but he truly did bleed green in his time here, and so I hope he gets a nice deal at Orlando (or somewhere else).

I actually think Isaiah (if healthy) could really increase his value with a great season, and it's a good fit in Orlando IMHO.
If Orlando gives him 8-10M, they're bidding against themselves.  Where else can IT go where he'd be able to start?  Giving him a player option would be a big mistake.  The only reason he'd use it is if he played poorly or got injured again.  If I'm Orlando, I make half of what he gets contingent on him playing 40+ games.

They’re not entirely bidding against themselves.  The Magic don’t look to have tons of cap room next year as is, relative to most teams.  It’s not entirely impossible that they have no cap room at all if they keep Terrance Ross or Nikola Vucevic around.  Giving IT the full MLE this year enables them to re-sign him next year at a salary beginning at $10.3 million using non-Bird rights.  It’s not impossible IT has a limited market next summer again — sure, tons of teams have cap room, but there will be a massive amount of free agents, and teams could still be scared off from his health.  Giving him a 1-year deal this year at $8.6 million is a relatively small price increase compared to the $5-6 million he might get from someone else if it gives you the opportunity to make a competitive offer to IT next summer, should things work out well enough this year.

This was the same philosophy that could have helped the Celtics re-sign Greg Monroe this summer, if he had turned out to be the player many had wanted.  Obviously Monroe was signed with the injury exception but the same principle of signing him to a specific amount which would help in re-signing him the next year was something bandied about on this board (and possibly the C's front office).
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: action781 on July 08, 2018, 09:31:49 AM
Who woulda imagined a year ago that Kelly Olynyk would be likely earning more money from 2017-2021 than IT?
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RJ87 on July 08, 2018, 10:06:48 AM
Looks like Orlando has cooled on him now. It's a shame because I can't think of another team where he'd make sense, especially if he's still refusing a bench role.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: MattyIce on July 08, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
This question is about Isaiah Thomas. Almost every conversation I had yesterday with teams, agents, fellow media and fans came around to this. Everyone is curious and no one knows. Several people only half-jokingly suggested the Warriors for the minimum for 1 year.

https://twitter.com/keithsmithnba/status/1015962954498359296?s=21
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Phantom255x on July 08, 2018, 11:37:04 AM
If his market is truly down, bring him back here on a 1 year, prove it deal (at minimum)!  ;D
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 08, 2018, 11:52:45 AM
If his market is truly down, bring him back here on a 1 year, prove it deal (at minimum)!  ;D

im game
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 08, 2018, 12:00:50 PM
IT may want to consider playing in China.  He'd be a hit over there.  Then he can see what opportunities open up later in the season. 
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RJ87 on July 08, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
If his market is truly down, bring him back here on a 1 year, prove it deal (at minimum)!  ;D

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/80609962.jpg)

I just don't think his ego would allow him to be a backup to the guy he was traded for or to come off the bench for the team he says he built. He was a wrecking ball to that Cleveland locker room, I like the chemistry of this team as is.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Androslav on July 08, 2018, 01:21:49 PM
Detroit, mid level, one year deal.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Eja117 on July 08, 2018, 01:48:24 PM
IT may want to consider playing in China.  He'd be a hit over there.  Then he can see what opportunities open up later in the season.
I was just starting to think that
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Monkhouse on July 08, 2018, 01:53:59 PM
Definitely not encouraging signs if Magic seems adamant on passing him up, despite the apparent lack of any able to play PG, let alone start.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RJ87 on July 08, 2018, 02:24:03 PM
Detroit, mid level, one year deal.

Detroit's flirting with the hard cap. They already have Reggie Jackson, Ish Smith, and Jose Calderon. Don't see Detroit putting themselves further in financial turmoil to bring in another offensive only, defensively challenged PG.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Androslav on July 08, 2018, 02:42:06 PM
Detroit, mid level, one year deal.

Detroit's flirting with the hard cap. They already have Reggie Jackson, Ish Smith, and Jose Calderon. Don't see Detroit putting themselves further in financial turmoil to bring in another offensive only, defensively challenged PG.
Tp. You definitely have a point there.
Ish is a fine backup PG, Calderon is a nice vet 3rd stringer.
Still, trades can be made, and maybe I just want him there as I think he would have a good year there.
Here are my points:
- they need offense, IT helps there
- they need a magnet for the empty arena and name Isaiah Thomas could do wonders there, especially since his stature makes him so likable. They were 29th in home attendance %, under 83%. I also believe that the Blake trade was made with this in mind. This can also qualify as financial solution.
- Detroit wants to make the playoffs, they have little flexibility
- other teams want to give that playimg time to young prospects
- Detroit can make him a good offer considering other options and this year's market
- Reggie and Calderon are very questionable health-wise last 2 years, therefore he may be needed more than it seems
- Ish can be moved easily, 6 mil expiring contact, some like his speed, offering free minutes. Jose can log 15 DNPs - CD at this phase of his career.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: CelticsElite on July 09, 2018, 02:21:49 AM
Orlando signed Isaiah Briscoe. I don't think they will sign IT now. I'm starting to think there is no market for IT. china lol
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: JSD on July 09, 2018, 04:13:20 AM
Going back to Cleveland makes the most sense.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: ederson on July 09, 2018, 04:36:51 AM
Orlando signed Isaiah Briscoe. I don't think they will sign IT now. I'm starting to think there is no market for IT. china lol


lol ??????????????????
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 09, 2018, 07:26:34 AM
Orlando signed Isaiah Briscoe. I don't think they will sign IT now. I'm starting to think there is no market for IT. china lol


lol ??????????????????

Yeah I don't get the lol part. This guy bled green for us. I am wishing the best for him.

Isaiah Briscoe?? Yeah I guess now that you have Briscoe why would you want someone that was top 5 MVP last year. C'mon man.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: saltlover on July 09, 2018, 07:44:49 AM
Orlando signed Isaiah Briscoe. I don't think they will sign IT now. I'm starting to think there is no market for IT. china lol


lol ??????????????????

Yeah I don't get the lol part. This guy bled green for us. I am wishing the best for him.

Isaiah Briscoe?? Yeah I guess now that you have Briscoe why would you want someone that was top 5 MVP last year. C'mon man.

I thought the LOL was that someone thought Briscoe at th minimum meant that the Magic therefore had no more need for or interest in IT. 
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 09, 2018, 07:47:26 AM
Orlando signed Isaiah Briscoe. I don't think they will sign IT now. I'm starting to think there is no market for IT. china lol


lol ??????????????????

Yeah I don't get the lol part. This guy bled green for us. I am wishing the best for him.

Isaiah Briscoe?? Yeah I guess now that you have Briscoe why would you want someone that was top 5 MVP last year. C'mon man.

I thought the LOL was that someone thought Briscoe at th minimum meant that the Magic therefore had no more need for or interest in IT.

Oh okay that makes sense then.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: jambr380 on July 09, 2018, 10:22:51 AM
Orlando signed Isaiah Briscoe. I don't think they will sign IT now. I'm starting to think there is no market for IT. china lol


lol ??????????????????

Yeah I don't get the lol part. This guy bled green for us. I am wishing the best for him.

Isaiah Briscoe?? Yeah I guess now that you have Briscoe why would you want someone that was top 5 MVP last year. C'mon man.

I thought the LOL was that someone thought Briscoe at th minimum meant that the Magic therefore had no more need for or interest in IT.

Makes total sense, but I thought the lol being used in conjunction with so many ??? meant that ederson was questioning CE’s usage of lol when mentioning China as a possible IT destination.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RJ87 on July 09, 2018, 10:41:27 AM
Orlando signed Isaiah Briscoe. I don't think they will sign IT now. I'm starting to think there is no market for IT. china lol


lol ??????????????????

Yeah I don't get the lol part. This guy bled green for us. I am wishing the best for him.

Isaiah Briscoe?? Yeah I guess now that you have Briscoe why would you want someone that was top 5 MVP last year. C'mon man.

It seems like such a long time ago that he finished top 5 in MVP voting. Last season, he played mediocre basketball, was a questionable locker room presence in Cleveland, and ended his season early to have a hip surgery he should've had a year ago for an injury that already cost him half a season.

Yes he bled green for us, but the player he was for us is not the player he is now.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Eja117 on July 09, 2018, 04:33:52 PM
Seeing what just happened to Brook Lopez I think IT will have to sign the minimum, which is just a stupid good deal. If you can get IT for the minimum right now and you don't do it you simply don't deserve to be in the playoffs or even a winning team. I mean really. Jabari Bird might get a minimum but not IT. That's incredibly stupid
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 09, 2018, 04:48:02 PM
Kind of sad how it turned out for IT  :( but life throws you a lot of curveballs I guess.
how did it turn out? No one knows what he will get offered
It won't be a Brinks truck...be lucky if it's a U-Haul.

Might be the trunk of a Ford Focus :(

Sure looking like it.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RJ87 on July 09, 2018, 04:48:54 PM
Seeing what just happened to Brook Lopez I think IT will have to sign the minimum, which is just a stupid good deal. If you can get IT for the minimum right now and you don't do it you simply don't deserve to be in the playoffs or even a winning team. I mean really. Jabari Bird might get a minimum but not IT. That's incredibly stupid

I have a sneaking suspicion that if Mr. Brinks Truck was willing to accept a minimum deal, he'd be on someone's roster right now.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: MattyIce on July 09, 2018, 04:51:05 PM
yup, GSW :(
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Diggles on July 09, 2018, 05:13:22 PM
Man I just went on a ghost chase for IT w/ the Warriors...  LOL.    If I were him....he could really rehab and win a ring....LOL   
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: Roy H. on July 09, 2018, 06:14:19 PM
Quote
Last season, he played mediocre basketball, was a questionable locker room presence in Cleveland, and ended his season early to have a hip surgery he should've had a year ago for an injury that already cost him half a season.

The first and third criticisms are factual. I think the second is overblown. He was an issue in the locker room because he tried to get his teams to play hard, and the entrenched stars didn’t appreciate it. They were content to sleepwalk through games.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: celticsclay on July 09, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
Quote
Last season, he played mediocre basketball, was a questionable locker room presence in Cleveland, and ended his season early to have a hip surgery he should've had a year ago for an injury that already cost him half a season.

The first and third criticisms are factual. I think the second is overblown. He was an issue in the locker room because he tried to get his teams to play hard, and the entrenched stars didn’t appreciate it. They were content to sleepwalk through games.

His experience also mirrored what Crowder said when he got to Utah if memory serves correct. The team was a dumpster fire and wade was also a big part of it. From everything i have heard Crowder had no issues with Utah and played a bit better there.
Title: Re: IT's next Team and Contract
Post by: RJ87 on July 09, 2018, 06:33:27 PM
Quote
Last season, he played mediocre basketball, was a questionable locker room presence in Cleveland, and ended his season early to have a hip surgery he should've had a year ago for an injury that already cost him half a season.

The first and third criticisms are factual. I think the second is overblown. He was an issue in the locker room because he tried to get his teams to play hard, and the entrenched stars didn’t appreciate it. They were content to sleepwalk through games.

He was an issue in the locker room because he publicly criticized his teammates and coaching staff in the media despite the fact that he was shooting 36% from the field while being historically bad on defense.

I'm not saying he was the only problem in that locker room, hence the midseason reset, but I won't martyr him either.