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Title: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: FLCeltsFan on October 17, 2017, 11:09:52 PM
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Milwaukee Bucks (0-0) at Boston Celtics (0-1)
Wednesday, October 18, 2017
7:30 PM ET
Regular Season Game #2 – Home Game #1
TV: NBCSB, FSN-WI, NBA-LP 757(DTV)/754(Xfinity)
Radio: 98.5 Sports Hub, 620 AM WTMJ
TD Garden

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Probable Starters
PG(https://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Irving_Kyrie_cle1617.jpg) SG(https://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Brown_Jaylen_bos1617.jpg) SF(https://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Smart_Marcus_bos1617.jpg)
PF(https://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Tatum_Jayson_duke1617.jpg)C(https://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Horford_Al_bos1617.jpg)
Kyrie Irving...Jaylen Brown...Marcus Smart... Jayson Tatum
Al Horford

Celtics Reserves

Daniel Theis
Shane Larkin
Abdel Nader
Semi Ojeleye
Terry Rozier
Aron Baynes

Injuries
Marcus Morris (knee) out
Guerschon Yabusele (illness)  questionable
Gordon Hayward (ankle)  out 

Head Coach
Brad Stevens 

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Probable Starters
PG(https://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Brogdon_Malcolm_mil1617.jpg) SG(https://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Snell_Tony_mil1617.jpg) SF(https://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Middleton_Khris_mil1617.jpg)
PF(https://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Antetokounmpo_Giannis_mil1617.jpg) C(https://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Maker_Thon_mil1617.jpg)
Malcolm Brogdon...Tony Snell...Khris Middleton
Giannis Antetokounmpo...Thon Maker

Bucks Reserves
Sterling Brown
Matthew Dellavedova
John Henson
Greg Monroe
Mirza Teletovic
Jason Terry
Rashad Vaughn
DJ Wilson

Injuries

Jabari Parker (knee)  out 

Head Coach

Jason Kidd

Game Notes
The Celtics welcome the Bucks to the Garden for their home opener of the 2017-18 season.  The Celtics are already playing in their first back to back set of the season, having played in Cleveland on Tuesday night.  The Bucks are playing in their first game of the season. 

Tuesday's season opener took a lot out of every player on the Celtics.  With just over 6 minutes to go in the first quarter, Gordon Hayward went down with a fractured ankle and was taken back to Boston to the hospital for surgery.  The Celtics certainly were playing with thoughts of Gordon on their minds.  They fell behind by as many as 18 points but came back to lose by just 3. 

The Celtics will need to regroup and find the best player to fill in for Hayward in the starting lineup.   Marcus Smart will move to the starters for this game.  Now someone, perhaps Terry Rozier, will need to fill Smart's spark off the bench. 

Marcus Morris is out with a sore knee.  There is no injury and the MRI was clean,  but he has been experiencing soreness and so the Celtics are being cautious so as not to cause an injury.  With Morris coming into camp late, it will give him a bit longer to learn the Celtics' system along with getting 100% healthy.  Guerschon Yabusele missed Tuesday's game with an illness and is questionable for this game.  Gordon Hayward is out with the ankle injury.    Jabari Parker is out for the Bucks as he rehabs from a torn ACL.  He is targeting a February return. 

Key Matchups 
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Kyrie Irving vs Malcolm Brogdon
After an emotional return to Cleveland for Kyrie, he makes his home debut at the TD Garden against last season's Rookie of the Year.  Brogdon averaged 10.2 points, 2.8 rebounds and 4.2 assists  last season and was a surprise ROY winner.  Kyrie should be able to have his way against the 2nd year player. 

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Jayson Tatum  vs Giannis Antetokounmpo
"The Greek Freak" is a tough cover for anyone and will be even more so for rookie Jayson Tatum who will get the job of trying to slow Antetokounmpo down.   Even more importantly, Jayson will need to make him work on defense to try to wear him down. 

Keys to the Game
Defense - Defense is always a key to winning.   The defense of the Celtics was a pleasant surprise in the preseason.  Hopefully, as they become more and more used to each other and the system, the defense will get even better.  The Celtics need to make defense a priority and get stops to keep the Bucks from going on big runs. 

Run! - The Celtics are very effective when they run on every possession and run on defense as well.  They need to run on offense to get easy shots before the defenses get set up. They also need to run on defense to get set up to prevent the Bucks from getting easy baskets.  When the Celtics run, good things happen.   

Move the Ball - We saw some beautiful ball movement in the preseason and the Celtics need to continue to move the ball and find the open man.  When the ball sticks and when players try to do too much themselves, it rarely ends well.  They are going to have to refigure their offense to make up for the loss of Gordon Hayward and moving the ball more would be a good start. 

Rebound - The Celtics can't score if they don't have the ball.  The Celtics struggled to rebound last season but have looked much better on the boards in the preseason.  It takes effort to rebound and when the Celtics put out that extra effort to get rebounds, it usually translates to other areas of their game.  They were out-rebounded by 3 against the Cavs and will need to work a bit harder against the very long and athletic Bucks. 

Be Aggressive
- The Celtics have to be the more aggressive team from start to finish.  They have to be aggressive in going after loose balls and on defense and going to the basket and grabbing rebounds.  The more aggressive team usually gets the benefit of the calls also.  They need to be the team that wants it more for all 48 minutes.  No let up. 

X-Factors

Fatigue - The Celtics have their first back to back already in their second game of the season.  They had a very emotional game on Tuesday night against Kyrie's former team and so they may have a let down afterwards.  This is the Bucks first game of the season and so they should be fresh and raring to go.  Fatigue may set in down the stretch for the Celtics. 

The Injury Factor - The loss of Gordon Hayward to a gruesome injury took a lot out of the Celtics.  They need to regroup and try to put that behind them, as difficult as it might be.  They will be playing short handed with Marcus Morris also out along with Yabusele.  Next man up has to be their mindset. 

Home Opener - The new look Celtics are playing in their first game in front of the home crowd.  Hopefully they will get a boost from the fans and draw energy from the home crowd.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 17, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
Time to regroup. Let's show the league what we're made of despite being inexperienced and young.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 17, 2017, 11:12:00 PM
Go Celtics!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SparzWizard on October 17, 2017, 11:12:26 PM
Woot!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 17, 2017, 11:12:42 PM
Ugh, I don't know if I can take another emotional game tomorrow  night.

Really sucks that Morris is out right now, too. He'd be really helpful tomorrow.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 17, 2017, 11:13:58 PM
This Celtics team is still very exciting and the show must go on...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: cltc5 on October 17, 2017, 11:18:04 PM
Is league pass free for a few weeks?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jambr380 on October 17, 2017, 11:20:52 PM
Is league pass free for a few weeks?

It is free for the next week, at least. I already purchased my team pass - not exactly psyched about that purchase right now. I mean, of course I want to watch all the Cs games I can, but they already have so many national games and our championship contending team turned into a middling playoff team (with exciting youngsters).

Tough back to back for the poor Cs. Let's somehow win this one guys - we are all cheering for you!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Ogaju on October 17, 2017, 11:22:08 PM
lets go Celtics....
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 17, 2017, 11:22:17 PM
Can’t believe there’s another game tomorrow. Go Celtics.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Bucketgetter on October 17, 2017, 11:23:25 PM
There is absolutely no way we put Al on Giannis. Do we want him torching us for 50?

Kyrie
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford

Should be the lineup tomorrow.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: FLCeltsFan on October 17, 2017, 11:35:06 PM
TP to mr. dee for being the first to post in the game thread!!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: FLCeltsFan on October 17, 2017, 11:36:25 PM
There is absolutely no way we put Al on Giannis. Do we want him torching us for 50?

Kyrie
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford

Should be the lineup tomorrow.

I'll probably have to change that tomorrow but I'm tired and had to get this up so just took a wild guess. 
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 17, 2017, 11:36:50 PM
There is absolutely no way we put Al on Giannis. Do we want him torching us for 50?

Kyrie
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford

Should be the lineup tomorrow.
So he's going to torch Tatum for 50 instead.   
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: trickybilly on October 17, 2017, 11:39:09 PM
Blood!

Must win game actually  ;D
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Bucketgetter on October 17, 2017, 11:39:59 PM
There is absolutely no way we put Al on Giannis. Do we want him torching us for 50?

Kyrie
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford

Should be the lineup tomorrow.
So he's going to torch Tatum for 50 instead.
Nope, Brown on Giannis. Tatum on Middleton or Snell.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
can someone explain to me how they start the season with a back to back? i thought they started the season early so we wouldn't have this situation
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:48:50 AM
Ugh, I don't know if I can take another emotional game tomorrow  night.

Really sucks that Morris is out right now, too. He'd be really helpful tomorrow.
Know how you feel. I am completely drained.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
More worried about the Bucks (minus Hayward) than the Cavs (minus Hayward / IT).

I think talent wise the Bucks and Cavs (minus IT) are about equal ... but I think the Bucks are a tougher matchup for the Celtics with Giannis and Middleton. A much more athletic team. The Celtics will not have the athletic / speed advantage they had last night against the Cavs. A lot of quick tall rangy players like Thon Maker, Henson, Snell, Brogdon.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: footey on October 18, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Is Yabu playing tonight?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: hpantazo on October 18, 2017, 06:47:53 PM
I'd like to see Theis get some minutes tonight. I was surprised he didnt play last night.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: saltlover on October 18, 2017, 06:57:19 PM
Is Yabu playing tonight?

He’s available.  Whether he gets into the game is obviously a mid-game coaching decision.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: j804 on October 18, 2017, 07:01:55 PM
Dont even know which way this could go could very well see a blowout loss and an ugly rocky start to the season or an emotional win where everybody is playing for one another and for Gordon

So much hope and excitement and thats been shattered not even excited for game day, such a bummer.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: MJohnnyboy on October 18, 2017, 07:02:04 PM
Just FYI guys. Today I sprained my ankle while playing basketball. I was wearing my Kevin Garnett shirt, and I sprained the left one.

Can't imagine what haywards going through right now.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: dwlefty13 on October 18, 2017, 07:07:57 PM
Feeling good about this one tonight. Expecting an emotional game playing sky high. Love this team get em C's!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 07:09:00 PM
can someone explain to me how they start the season with a back to back? i thought they started the season early so we wouldn't have this situation


That's exactly what I said in another tread. It's also 3 games in 4 nights to start the season.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 07:11:56 PM
I couldn't watch yesterday's game because I was on a flight.  Such terrible news to check in on the score after the game was over and see that we not only lost, but that Hayward broke his ****' ankle.

Hopefully my NBA League Pass stream works.  I don't plan on missing this one.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 18, 2017, 07:28:39 PM
Frist
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 18, 2017, 07:28:41 PM
can someone explain to me how they start the season with a back to back? i thought they started the season early so we wouldn't have this situation


That's exactly what I said in another tread. It's also 3 games in 4 nights to start the season.
speculation is that the london trip we have midseason requires breaks on either side of the trip.

Id also rather have bunches of games earlier in the year as opposed to later.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Tr1boy on October 18, 2017, 07:37:01 PM
Celtics should easily win tonight....do it for GH guys
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
Chills on that Gordon shoutout. Love it.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 07:40:17 PM
Nice shoutout to Gordon. Get well soon, bud.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: cltc5 on October 18, 2017, 07:41:39 PM
Awesome.  Tears.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Chief on October 18, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
1st class
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 07:42:03 PM
Love it.

Let's go Celtics
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 07:43:14 PM
Seeing that Gordon shout out and realizing that last night wasn't a dream

(https://i.giphy.com/media/d2lcHJTG5Tscg/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 07:43:22 PM
Dumb pass Al.

Nice D, Brown!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 07:44:09 PM
Yes Jaylen!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 07:44:38 PM
Oh good Lord. Are we really going to get screwed by the refs at home now, too?! That block was CLEAN.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 07:45:14 PM
In what world was that a foul
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 07:45:47 PM
Oh good Lord. Are we really going to get screwed by the refs at home now, too?! That block was CLEAN.

Giannis will be the future NBA Golden Boy. Get used to it.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: esel1000 on October 18, 2017, 07:46:06 PM
Tatum!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 07:46:26 PM
Tatum <3
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 07:46:28 PM
My boy, Tatum!

I'm telling ya, we need to get out and RUN! That's what these young boys are built for!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: knuckleballer on October 18, 2017, 07:47:04 PM
Makeup call
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 07:47:15 PM
Nice plays from our young fellas.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 07:47:33 PM
With Hayward out (hopefully not for the entire season), Tatum is legitimately in ROTY race now.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 07:47:35 PM
Only 2 games played so far and yet they already looked much tougher than last year's team.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 07:48:28 PM
Smmmmmaaaahhhhhtttt!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 07:49:06 PM
There you go, Smart.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 07:49:11 PM
Smart III
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 07:49:55 PM
Horford on Maker in the low post should be a good matchup for us
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 07:51:10 PM
Baynes should help against Monroe
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 07:51:18 PM
Given the lack of Morris and Hayward, I can see why Nader gets a nod.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 07:51:40 PM
Nader getting some early PT...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Tr1boy on October 18, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
its going to take time for Kyrie to integrate
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Tr1boy on October 18, 2017, 07:51:56 PM
Nader getting some early PT...

French Panda next?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 07:52:50 PM
its going to take time for Kyrie to integrate
Yeah, it's still really early and he just lost his biggest help on the offensive end.

Give it time
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 07:53:36 PM
Nader getting some early PT...

French Panda next?

Bring him in...why not.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 07:54:19 PM
Good Lord Brown is so athletic.

Tatum with the good D and length!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 07:54:34 PM
Jaylen Brown!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 07:54:52 PM
Tatum is sooooo Long!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 07:55:04 PM
Beautiful two way play
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 07:55:11 PM
Beautiful fakes by Kyrie
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 07:55:46 PM
I'm seriously just in awe of how good Tatum and Brown are looking together so far.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 07:56:31 PM
Man Jayson has game
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 07:57:32 PM
Kyrie looks like a videogame with the way he never loses the handle
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 07:58:08 PM
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.

And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 07:58:23 PM
Did Jaylen finally get a call?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Chief on October 18, 2017, 07:58:38 PM
I love that Brown can dribble down court. It seems like a little thing...but Bradley couldn't do it.

Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 07:59:06 PM
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.

And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!

Who confirmed it?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 07:59:17 PM
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.

And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!
Feeling a lot better about the injury now. Felt like an absolute gut punch when it happened
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: 2short on October 18, 2017, 07:59:36 PM
I'm seriously just in awe of how good Tatum and Brown are looking together so far.
I was just thinking Tatum is an old pro, so much like pierce, game seems to slow down for him.  Then brown got the rebound and took it the length for a drive.  Ready for this comparison?  Not comparing his as a player but his handle, speed and step reminds me of this old UMASS guy.  I think he became a doctor later in life. ;)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 08:00:17 PM
Great drive and finish by Rozier
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: cltc5 on October 18, 2017, 08:00:31 PM
I wish they'd slow it down.  Yea they want to push it but Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. we don't need to lose the whole team running break neck up and down the court.  That's ridiculous
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:00:35 PM
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.

And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!

Who confirmed it?

Just announced it at the game.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 08:00:42 PM
Terrible shot by Nader. Tatum should have shot it.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:00:51 PM
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.

And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!

Who confirmed it?

His agent confirmed the surgery in Boston tonight. They just reported about the clean break news from testing today.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on October 18, 2017, 08:00:52 PM
Pretty immediately done with Abdel Nader.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 08:01:01 PM
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.

And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!

Who confirmed it?

Just announced it at the game.

Oh okay, thanks!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 18, 2017, 08:01:13 PM
Nader, Rozier, Baynes, and a 19 y/o on the court together is quite the spectacle.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Tr1boy on October 18, 2017, 08:01:25 PM
baynes missed tatum there
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Rosco917 on October 18, 2017, 08:02:02 PM
Brown is a one-man fast break.

Kid gets the ball and goes like heck.

Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Chief on October 18, 2017, 08:02:15 PM
Pretty immediately done with Abdel Nader.

They are just testing people until Morris gets back.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:02:22 PM
Brown's only shooting 1-5 but he's having a good game...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 08:02:35 PM
I'd rather have the Dancing Bear on the floor and develop him ASAP.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 08:02:53 PM
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Chief on October 18, 2017, 08:03:22 PM
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.

Smart hurt?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:03:56 PM
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.

Nader is playing well...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 08:03:56 PM
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.

Smart hurt?

Collided with Jaylen on a charge.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:04:19 PM
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.
He's back in, so seemingly nothing of note
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:04:24 PM
I really like this Bucks team. They're going to be a tough, tough out in the playoffs. Wish we would push it as much as they do.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.

Smart hurt?

Jaylen ran into Smart and knocked him down during a defensive play. Smart came up grimacing and holding his knee.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.

Nader is playing well...

Yeah I agree,  one shot that he had to force at the end of the shot clock = he is a terrible player.
why not let him have some minutes and have a chance to develop like all our other young players.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 08:05:50 PM
Baynes mid-range automatic.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:06:03 PM
Baynes with that shot every time
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: cltc5 on October 18, 2017, 08:06:10 PM
Rozier needs to be playing sg
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 08:06:24 PM
They still haven't fixed the delay between the League Pass feed on NBA.com for anyone wondering.  The game is still a good minute behind the actual action.  Very disappointing and unacceptable.  I'd discourage anyone from buying League Pass unless you have an actual TV feed.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:06:27 PM
T-Ro!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:10:25 PM
These fouls Giannis is getting are laughable  ::)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:10:32 PM
Nader!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 08:10:48 PM
Rozier still can't finish.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 08:11:13 PM
yeah this nba LP feed is so delayed....sheesh
I feel like every comment is for something I see 4-5 min later
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 08:11:29 PM
The quality of my stream on NBA.com isn't very good right now either.  The commercials cause a huge discrepancy between the feed and the actual game action.  Currently a good 2-3 minutes behind.  Completely unacceptable.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:11:30 PM
These fouls Giannis is getting are laughable  ::)

He's getting the Bron calls!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:11:52 PM
Lol I love Smart and Rozier. Always in the middle of it!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 08:12:22 PM
These fouls Giannis is getting are laughable  ::)

He's getting the Bron calls!

They already preparing once Lebron retires.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:12:28 PM
Get it Marcus
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 08:12:44 PM
yeah this nba LP feed is so delayed....sheesh
I feel like every comment is for something I see 4-5 min later

The score on NBA.com or on another site like ESPN that shows the live score is so far ahead of the LP feed.  Ruins the enjoyment of watching what's supposed to be a live game.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:13:08 PM
Delly is dirty.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Fafnir on October 18, 2017, 08:13:19 PM
Shocker Marcus is getting into it.  ;D
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 08:13:19 PM
I love. Love. LOVE. Marcus Smart.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Fafnir on October 18, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
Delly is dirty.
Yeah not surprised he'd be the one to take a shot at Marcus when its getting rough.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: cltc5 on October 18, 2017, 08:14:22 PM
Piece of Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. Della still playing like Cavs
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:14:49 PM
Holy hell, Smart is the only one getting anything? I mean, seriously, this is just so ridiculous.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:15:04 PM
Delly is dirty.
Yeah, I hate the constant praise he gets in Australia (where I live). Never been a fan
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: esel1000 on October 18, 2017, 08:15:16 PM
No tech for Henson LOL
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:15:16 PM
WHAT!! HENSON????
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 18, 2017, 08:15:23 PM
Delly is such a tool.  And the league has decided Giannis is officially a HOFer.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: cltc5 on October 18, 2017, 08:15:57 PM
Someone like Drive Della so we can shoot the tech Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing unreal
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 08:16:10 PM
"Let's bring that to the supreme court"

hahah tommy...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 18, 2017, 08:16:13 PM
Theis!!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Rosco917 on October 18, 2017, 08:16:26 PM
this getting worse and worse in the NBA...terrible refs.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:16:40 PM
Don't poke the bear Delly!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:16:53 PM
Theis!!!!

Nice!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 18, 2017, 08:16:59 PM
Smart is so much more effective in the post.  Many posters here have been calling for more post touches since last Fall.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:17:02 PM
Theis Theis baby!

He definitely needs to be in the rotation.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 08:17:15 PM
I love how Smart just elbowed the Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. out of delle 2x by baiting him with upfakes. Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing brutal.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: PhoSita on October 18, 2017, 08:18:13 PM
Getting the sense this is going to be a fast paced team all season.  That's fun.

On the other hand, I don't think the defense is going to be good at all.  A lot of trading baskets.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:18:30 PM
I love how Smart just elbowed the **** out of delle 2x by baiting him with upfakes. ****ing brutal.

Laying some wood!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 08:18:30 PM
I love how Smart just elbowed the **** out of delle 2x by baiting him with upfakes. ****ing brutal.
That's how Parish and Bird retaliated against Laimbeer ;D
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 18, 2017, 08:19:09 PM
This team is an absolute blast to watch.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 18, 2017, 08:19:30 PM
I think Horford is on steroids and/or timulant medication.  He looks more active than I've seen him in years.  George Gervin drives out there. 
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:19:30 PM
Giannis gets the most liberal use of that off-arm that I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: cltc5 on October 18, 2017, 08:19:34 PM
I like theis
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: esel1000 on October 18, 2017, 08:20:12 PM
Jaylen is awesome!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:20:28 PM
Brown is sooooooo good in the open court. So happy that we picked up the pace from last year's team.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:20:31 PM
I think Horford is on steroids and/or timulant medication.  He looks more active than I've seen him in years.  George Gervin drives out there.

No concussion this year!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: cltc5 on October 18, 2017, 08:20:37 PM
Giannis gets the most liberal use of that off-arm that I've ever seen.

Lebron disagrees
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:20:59 PM
Jaylen is awesome!!

Jaylen is the man!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 08:21:24 PM
We're so much faster than last year and JAYLEN is AMAZING with the new pace.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 08:21:25 PM
Brown is gunning for that All-Star spot ;D
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:21:44 PM
Giannis gets the most liberal use of that off-arm that I've ever seen.

Lebron disagrees

Lebron is bad, too, but he also has the bulk where he doesn't need to utilize it as much. Watch Giannis every time he goes down low. It's always him making room or hooking with that off-arm.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:21:49 PM
Jaylen Brown is the man!

Love how we've drafted at the top
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: knuckleballer on October 18, 2017, 08:21:52 PM
Giannis gets the most liberal use of that off-arm that I've ever seen.

He threw Brown with his off hand and got away with it earlier.  He's totally getting the Lebron treatment.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Vox_Populi on October 18, 2017, 08:21:52 PM
Please become an All-Star Jaylen
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 18, 2017, 08:21:56 PM
Rozier has been terrific.  Brown impressive again.  Wow do I love this team so far.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 08:22:37 PM
Jaylen has shown so much growth. I'm excited.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:22:45 PM
Please become an All-Star Jaylen

Doctor Jaylan!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Chief on October 18, 2017, 08:22:49 PM
Morris looks intelligent with those glasses.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: knuckleballer on October 18, 2017, 08:23:27 PM
Brown is only 20 years old.  What was Jimmy Butler doing at the same age?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:25:16 PM
Brown is only 20 years old.  What was Jimmy Butler doing at the same age?

Still in college lol
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:25:21 PM
The refs are dopoop tonight...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:25:50 PM
Loving the commentary tonight
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: knuckleballer on October 18, 2017, 08:25:50 PM
I could see Rozier turning into a Vinnie Johnson type.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 08:26:25 PM
Anyone still disappointed we drafted brown over kris dunn and bender? Lol I think the dunn lovers don't exist anymore
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 08:26:42 PM
Giannis gets the most liberal use of that off-arm that I've ever seen.

He threw Brown with his off hand and got away with it earlier.  He's totally getting the Lebron treatment.

Yeah Giannis is getting away with being way too physical against Jaylen.  Plus they are calling ticky-tack fouls on Jaylen at the same time. 
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:26:56 PM
My Lord, Rozier is looking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 08:27:26 PM
The hand check rule doesn't apply to Greek freak. If it did, he wouldn't be scoring as much as he always does
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 08:28:06 PM
I am impressed with Terry's development since last year.  He is taking advantage of his raw speed to get to his spots, but then he is dialing it down to be under control when he shoots.  TR playing great.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: 2short on October 18, 2017, 08:28:37 PM
My Lord, Rozier is looking ridiculous.
His defense (and maybe whole game) will make us forget old friend Avery pretty quickly
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:28:48 PM
We didn't have anyone to guard Monroe last year but this year we do!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 08:28:57 PM
The hand check rule doesn't apply to Greek freak. If it did, he wouldn't be scoring as much as he always does

exactly.  but I like that Jaylen is again guarding the toughest player on the other team...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 08:29:04 PM
Rozier playing like a young Rondo. Tenacious on D and plays with hustle.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: satch on October 18, 2017, 08:29:48 PM
Not keeping stats but how many foul shots have the C's missed last night and tonight?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:30:17 PM
Stupidly good shot in the paint
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:30:33 PM
Not having Hayward or Morris is also terrible against the Bucks, because those would be the two main defenders for Giannis. I think Morris would actually do pretty well against him.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:32:01 PM
Jaylen needs to be getting those Freak calls!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:32:29 PM
Where the F is the foul there?? I'm getting so ticked at this star favoritism BS...

And this starting the season off with a back-to-back against two tough teams is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 08:32:40 PM
Jaylen needs to be getting those Freak calls!

That's next year.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 08:32:50 PM
These are some BS calls.  Especially that non-foul from Brown on Brogdon.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:32:55 PM
WHERE IS THAT FOUL?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:33:29 PM
Jaylen needs to be getting those Freak calls!

That's next year.

or later this year!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 08:33:31 PM
With NBA season back.. also comes the anxiety of dealing with refs...  ::)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:33:50 PM
We're getting screwed so hard
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:34:21 PM
50% free throw shooting hurts a lot
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:34:24 PM
With NBA season back.. also comes the anxiety of dealing with refs...  ::)

Well they've been awful so far, in both games!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 08:34:46 PM
Fans start chanting "gordon Hayward" out of nowhere lol

We should do this every game until he's back
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:35:09 PM
Fans start chanting "gordon Hayward" out of nowhere lol

Nice!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: slamtheking on October 18, 2017, 08:36:59 PM
that was nasty hit and landing
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 08:37:06 PM
"GORDON HAYWARD"  ;D
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:37:41 PM
that was nasty hit and landing

That's a football play!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:38:07 PM
"GORDON HAYWARD"  ;D

"Gordon Hayward"
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 08:38:22 PM

Theis going down like that wasn't a nice site after yesterday
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 08:38:29 PM
Hopefully he can see straight. I could hear the crack from his head hitting the floor!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Rosco917 on October 18, 2017, 08:39:03 PM
This Bucks team is sooo long. Their length is bothering the C's
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:39:22 PM
Tommy point for Theis!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 08:39:22 PM
We just can't stop Giannis...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:39:32 PM
Giannis gets a foul for being breathed on but Smart can get clobbered
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:39:58 PM
We just can't stop Giannis...

No him and refs too!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 08:39:59 PM
This Bucks team is sooo long. Their length is bothering the C's

We fair against them pretty well last year because of spacing. We've lost some for a trade off.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 08:40:01 PM
Theis is cool
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 08:40:08 PM
We just can't stop Giannis...

He keeps chickenwinging with his elbow. Every time.

Apparently that's "okay"?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:40:30 PM
We look like it's the second game of the season, with only 4 returning players, playing on the second night of a back to back. Why we were scheduled for this back to back on the first two nights of the season is still beyond me.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:40:37 PM
Good to see that airball
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 08:41:01 PM
We look like it's the second game of the season, with only 4 returning players, playing on the second night of a back to back. Why we were scheduled for this back to back on the first two nights of the season is still beyond me.

Lakers 1st game is tomorrow LOL.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: PhoSita on October 18, 2017, 08:41:12 PM
Defense is going to be a problem, if not all year, then at least for a while to start the season.  Does not look good against a Bucks team that doesn't have a ton of weapons apart from Giannis and Monroe.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 08:41:19 PM
Another bad call!!!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 08:41:21 PM
Greek freak just airballed a free throw. Theres those "AWESOME" shooting mechanics the giannis fans always talk abouti
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:42:10 PM
Smart can't buy a freaking call for anything. This is ridiculous. He's been getting absolutely clobbered with nothing.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 08:42:43 PM
We just can't stop Giannis...

He keeps chickenwinging with his elbow. Every time.

Apparently that's "okay"?

Oh I agree with everyone else, he is getting the pampered treatment from the refs.
But we gotta be quicker against him on the perimeter and stop him from driving to the basket.  Make him shoot some jump shots.  if he gets within 5 feet of the bucket he is so skilled that he is going to find a way to finish with those long [dang] arms.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:43:08 PM
Get Kyrie more of the ball please
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Sketch5 on October 18, 2017, 08:43:38 PM
We look like it's the second game of the season, with only 4 returning players, playing on the second night of a back to back. Why we were scheduled for this back to back on the first two nights of the season is still beyond me.

Then you add what happen last night on top of it, I'm sure everyone is drained mentally.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 08:44:17 PM
Okay, Kyrie needs to take charge this second half. This is what having your own team means. He needs to be more aggressive offensively.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: PhoSita on October 18, 2017, 08:44:18 PM
Smart can't buy a freaking call for anything. This is ridiculous. He's been getting absolutely clobbered with nothing.

You can't be a renowned flopper and get many calls.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: ETNCeltics on October 18, 2017, 08:45:06 PM
If Marcus Smart continues to shoot, we're going to lose again.

Marcus + a lot of shots = Celtic loss. The rest of the team is shooting >50%, Marcus, 1 for 7. If Brad doesn't fix that, it's going to be a long season.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 08:46:08 PM
Smart can't buy a freaking call for anything. This is ridiculous. He's been getting absolutely clobbered with nothing.

You can't be a renowned flopper and get many calls.
chris paul and harden say hi
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 08:50:50 PM
Really hope the C's take this. Need a big half from Kyrie. Hopefully Rozier, Brown and Tatum can keep it up.

Despite the heart and excellence shown by the young guns, it would still be sad to start the season 0-2 to be honest.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: j804 on October 18, 2017, 08:51:07 PM
Okay, Kyrie needs to take charge this second half. This is what having your own team means. He needs to be more aggressive offensively.
He’s not involved at all part of that is to do with Brad too. Also not his fault that he’s getting trapped to give the ball up in every pick and roll. This is why no Hayward hurts so much it’s gonna hurt Kyrie the most.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 08:54:14 PM
Smart can't buy a freaking call for anything. This is ridiculous. He's been getting absolutely clobbered with nothing.

You can't be a renowned flopper and get many calls.
chris paul and harden say hi
And LeBron.... and a multitude of other stars
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:01:33 PM
Great game from Horford. He needs to be this aggressive every game.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:01:46 PM
Jaylan is butter!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 09:02:04 PM
Downtown JAYLEN BROWN
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:02:21 PM
Jaylen EN FUEGO.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:03:20 PM
How many cheap calls are they going to call on Jaylen????
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:03:40 PM
Jesus tits, this tic-tac foul crap is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:04:29 PM
That would've been awesome
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:05:37 PM
Looks like the second half will be Smart's half this year  ;)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 09:05:56 PM
Great stuff from Tatum.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:06:01 PM
Tatum is NBA ready...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: cltc5 on October 18, 2017, 09:06:10 PM
Tatum is so tantalizing.  Semi you don't shoot ever
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:06:16 PM
Would like a second measurement of Tatum. He's got to be longer than reported.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:07:08 PM
Kyrie is so money on those threes with rhythm.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:07:40 PM
There you go Ky!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:07:54 PM
Would like a second measurement of Tatum. He's got to be longer than reported.

Yeah, he guarded Maker on the box and stopped his shot...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: trickybilly on October 18, 2017, 09:09:03 PM
Well, that was unexpected.

I just got the first pang of "I miss IT, and regret we won't see him again".... when Kyrie hit that three.

He was just so unconscious in the clutch.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:10:21 PM
Well, that was unexpected.

I just got the first pang of "I miss IT, and regret we won't see him again".... when Kyrie hit that three.

He was just so unconscious in the clutch.

The Little Guy will always be in the hearts of Boston and Celtics fans.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:12:28 PM
The NBA where cheap calls happen!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Chief on October 18, 2017, 09:13:03 PM
I love Marcus!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
Yeesh, Semi, takes some balls to take that shot.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:13:39 PM
Watch Smart is looking like a wack a mole tonight!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Ogaju on October 18, 2017, 09:14:15 PM
Greg Monroe? Mix in some steak dude?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:14:29 PM
Some real ghost calls tonight by these refs....
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 09:16:05 PM
Tommy is admitting a Celtic fouled someone? Wow. Is an apocalypse coming
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:16:34 PM
Marcus needs to get the yank if he keeps playing all this iso ball... We already have a Kyrie...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:16:37 PM
Tatum has been really impressive on the boards
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:16:44 PM
Tommy is admitting a Celtic fouled someone? Wow. Is an apocalypse coming

Well.. Walking Dead comes back on Sunday!  :laugh:

FTWD Season 3 just ended though.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 09:17:55 PM
Tommy is admitting a Celtic fouled someone? Wow. Is an apocalypse coming

Well.. Walking Dead comes back on Sunday!  :laugh:

FTWD Season 3 just ended though.

I stopped watching FTWD, I just lost interest....almost at that point with the walking dead as well....
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 09:18:34 PM
They changed the semi shot to a 3
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:18:48 PM
Smart has the second most shots on this team. That's not good.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
They changed the semi shot to a 3

Good. He doesn't settle for long 2s  ;)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
I gotta give it to the Bucks they seem to be improved this year.  Solid lineup, lots of guys who you need to not lose on def...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:19:49 PM
Smart has the second most shots on this team. That's not good.
He keeps taking the last second shots ... for no real reason
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 09:20:04 PM
Love me some nader
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:20:14 PM
Bad possession. Get inside the 3 point line sooner.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Ogaju on October 18, 2017, 09:20:15 PM
you just gotta to love the experts that gave no shot to the Celtics.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:20:19 PM
Smart has the second most shots on this team. That's not good.
He keeps taking the last second shots ... for no real reason

He's pounding the ball too long...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:20:47 PM
Love me some nader

He's having a good game...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
Brown!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: crimcartel on October 18, 2017, 09:21:17 PM
Smart has the second most shots on this team. That's not good.
He keeps taking the last second shots ... for no real reason

He's doing too much.. holding the ball too long
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:21:50 PM
So, Giannis gets to both foul with the off-arm and walk in the same possession with no call? Lovely.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: esel1000 on October 18, 2017, 09:21:52 PM
I love Jaylen!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: esel1000 on October 18, 2017, 09:22:22 PM
So, Giannis gets to both foul with the off-arm and walk in the same possession with no call? Lovely.
Whole different set of rules for guys like him and Lebron
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 09:22:43 PM
If somebody just started following the NBA this year, they'd think Brown was our best player.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Chief on October 18, 2017, 09:23:17 PM
Morris will guard the guys like LeBron and the Freak.

Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 09:23:18 PM
Brown and-1
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:23:23 PM
If somebody just started following the NBA this year, they'd think Brown was our best player.
MIP in the bag ;)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Ogaju on October 18, 2017, 09:23:33 PM
Brown is on a TEAR !!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:23:42 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 09:23:46 PM
If somebody just started following the NBA this year, they'd think Brown was our best player.

Its in the realm of possibility in the near future.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:23:56 PM
If somebody just started following the NBA this year, they'd think Brown was our best player.

If we keep this fast pace up, he might legitimately average 20 points per game this season. Add some minimal improvement to his three point shot, and I think he could do it with Gordy being out now and the shots available.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 09:23:56 PM
great pass from nader to Brown for the 3
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 09:24:21 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.

??
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:24:34 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.

What happened? (Sorry I'm not watching live on TV, only using gamecast)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:25:01 PM
great pass from nader to Brown for the 3

Nader is solid and Brown is ridiculous for a 20 year old!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 09:25:08 PM
Our team is going to be remarkably stacked once Brown and Tatum refine their games. 
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:25:10 PM
Morris will guard the guys like LeBron and the Freak.

Yep. It's hard to gauge anything with both him and Hayward out given that they were our best bets to defend the star forwards we'd face. I think both Jaylen and Tatum have done respectable jobs so far, though.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.

??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 09:26:05 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.

What happened? (Sorry I'm not watching live on TV, only using gamecast)
he just doesn't like kyrie :P
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:26:58 PM
I'm sorry, but this blatant star favoritism for Giannis is just insane. So unfair.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:27:10 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.

What happened? (Sorry I'm not watching live on TV, only using gamecast)
he just doesn't like kyrie :P

Oh lol. Some don't like Kyrie (in general), some just didn't like the trade, some absolutely loved it. Mixed reactions all over it seems.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:27:16 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.

??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
::)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mainevent on October 18, 2017, 09:27:17 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.



??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.

I guess you didn't like watching IT either
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:27:20 PM
How blatant does the travel need to be!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:27:47 PM
I'm sorry, but this blatant star favoritism for Giannis is just insane. So unfair.

Giannis "Ground" walker!!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:27:51 PM
How blatant does the travel need to be!
4 steps isn't enough!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:28:53 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.

What happened? (Sorry I'm not watching live on TV, only using gamecast)
he just doesn't like kyrie :P

Not when he's shooting 5/17 on ridiculously stupid shots.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticSooner on October 18, 2017, 09:29:15 PM
That's why you gotta love Baynes.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 09:29:19 PM
Love Baynes. Love having a big who's got toughness and rebounds!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:29:34 PM
Kyrie forcing it.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:29:43 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.



??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.

I guess you didn't like watching IT either

IT was efficient.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:30:04 PM
Well Irving is 6/19 tonight (not good), but all will be forgiven if he has a stellar finish to the 4th!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 09:30:10 PM
I'm sorry, but this blatant star favoritism for Giannis is just insane. So unfair.

Giannis "Ground" walker!!!!

Perk: That's cute

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-23-2015/pYkyBc.gif)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:30:26 PM
Nice PnP between Rozier and Baynes
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:30:36 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.



??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.

I guess you didn't like watching IT either

IT was efficient.
It's not like IT never had a bad shooting night.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 09:30:40 PM
Kyrie forcing it.

Without a wing like Hayward he's got to deal with 200% more attention from the defense and has to handle 150% of the offensive load.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 09:30:54 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.



??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.

I guess you didn't like watching IT either

IT's bad shots usually went in. Hopefully Kyrie's start to fall, too. There's no denying that his shot selection has been really bad tonight, though.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:30:57 PM
Nice PnP between Rozier and Baynes


Rozier is much improved from last year...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:31:27 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.



??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.

I guess you didn't like watching IT either

IT was efficient.

You could give him more than 1.5 games to acclimate  :P
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:32:06 PM
Nice passing by Milwaukee
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:32:50 PM
Smart finally gets the call
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:32:59 PM
Nice passing by Milwaukee

Where is our preseason passing?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:33:01 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.



??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.

I guess you didn't like watching IT either

IT was efficient.

You could give him more than 1.5 games to acclimate  :P

Nah, that's no fun.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:33:07 PM
Smart is an animal in the post. I love it.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:33:46 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.



??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.

I guess you didn't like watching IT either

IT was efficient.
It's not like IT never had a bad shooting night.

As I remember it, no, he did not. He was without flaw and you will not convince me otherwise.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:33:47 PM
You can tell we're tired with these missed free throws, probably both physically and emotionally.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 09:34:21 PM
Nice passing by Milwaukee

Where is our preseason passing?

Gone with our preseason spacing and our 3rd best ballhandler/playmaker on the team.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 09:34:57 PM
Kyrie forcing it.

Without a wing like Hayward he's got to deal with 200% more attention from the defense and has to handle 150% of the offensive load.

Unfortunately true. It's not as easy as IT made it look, carrying a team. 
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:35:09 PM
Nice passing by Milwaukee

Where is our preseason passing?

Gone with our preseason spacing and our 3rd best ballhandler/playmaker on the team.
Yeah, we're going to need a bit of time to adjust to the new offence.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:35:10 PM
Nice passing by Milwaukee

Where is our preseason passing?

Passing has been a bit dodgy when Horford has rested in these first 2 games.

Missing Olynyk = his ability to keep the ball moving on offense while Horford sat. That high post facilitator. Baynes has done good finishing plays but not so much in his passing facilitating plays.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mainevent on October 18, 2017, 09:35:58 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.



??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.

I guess you didn't like watching IT either

IT was efficient.

According to who you? IT got to the line more, had the ball in his hands more and was relied upon to score more.  He took many ill advised shots and if you can name 3 games last year where he had more than 10 assists name them.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:35:58 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.



??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.

I guess you didn't like watching IT either

IT was efficient.
It's not like IT never had a bad shooting night.

As I remember it, no, he did not. He was without flaw and you will not convince me otherwise.

It has the Celtics record: He never missed a shot!  ;)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:36:35 PM
Gordon Hayward in surgery now!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:37:27 PM
OFF TOPIC: DANG, Whiteside finished with 26 points, 22 rebounds today.

Heat lost though.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:38:12 PM
Remember how Artest would kill guys in the post back in Indiana. Especially in the 2nd unit while Jermaine O'Neal got a breather and the offense ran more through Artest down in the post. Smart reminds me so much of Artest with his post play.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
The Celtics need to make those fouls on The Freak count!!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:39:14 PM
17 seconds of Kyrie dribbling the ball ... That is what I hate to see.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:39:15 PM
Good Lord, what is with these terrible passes and hands?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:40:12 PM
Great defense on Giannis
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:40:15 PM
Just not a good game from Kyrie.

Still in this, but may need him to step up big time late, or hope Brown/Tatum take over.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticD on October 18, 2017, 09:40:19 PM
holy crap who is #11 on green.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:40:40 PM
I can't stand watching Kyrie.



??

His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.

I guess you didn't like watching IT either

IT was efficient.

According to who you? IT got to the line more, had the ball in his hands more and was relied upon to score more.  He took many ill advised shots and if you can name 3 games last year where he had more than 10 assists name them.

Math?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:40:40 PM
These missed free throws...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 18, 2017, 09:40:52 PM
C'mon, Kyrina.  Here's an opportunity to be more than a cute face. 
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SparzWizard on October 18, 2017, 09:41:16 PM
Oh mang this team isn't doing good. What happened.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:42:11 PM
Terrible possession. Swing the ball. They were all loaded up on the strong side. Nothing there.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
Worst offensive possession I've ever seen. Nice work, Kyrie.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 09:42:23 PM
Kyrie has been flat out awful in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 09:42:25 PM
Kyrie is falling into bad habits.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:42:34 PM
The offence is completely stagnant
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SparzWizard on October 18, 2017, 09:43:01 PM
Giannis looking like the next LeBron James.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: knuckleballer on October 18, 2017, 09:43:20 PM
Celts are looking ugly right now.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:43:44 PM
Kyrie 6-21... YEESH.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: PAOBoston on October 18, 2017, 09:44:01 PM
Cs offense is poopoo right now. Zero movement.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:44:19 PM
Kyrie 6-21... YEESH.

Make that 6-22...  :o
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 09:44:38 PM
Ugh. Getting ugly right now.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 09:44:42 PM
two things, gotta stop standing on offense, move yourself and move the ball
and play some d...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:44:47 PM
Well that's probably game. Sucks.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:44:51 PM
Lol Giannis literally goes back and forth  RIGHT IN FRONT OF AN EFFING REF WITH NO CALL...
It's completely game ruining. Makes watching an unpleasant experience
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SparzWizard on October 18, 2017, 09:44:54 PM
Celtics literally went from championship contenders to first-round fodders in just 24 hours.

Devastating.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:44:54 PM
Kyrie Irving is a SG. Like Iverson was.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: crimcartel on October 18, 2017, 09:45:04 PM
Smart way better catch and shoot than off dribble
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:45:07 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: slamtheking on October 18, 2017, 09:45:27 PM
we just cannot buy a foul.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 09:45:38 PM
Tatum! Nice effort.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:45:44 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us...

You speak the truth!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:45:51 PM
Haha. What a tip in by Tatum! Terrific.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: crimcartel on October 18, 2017, 09:46:03 PM
Celtics literally went from championship contenders to first-round fodders in just 24 hours.

Devastating.

Ita game 2, against a playoff team no less.. relax
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 09:46:51 PM
great effort by tatum there...

we need to get a couple stops now
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:47:25 PM
Kyrie Irving is a SG. Like Iverson was.
He wasn't yesterday
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
Would be nice if we could see better ball movement and Kyrie knocking down the shots late.

Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:47:32 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 18, 2017, 09:47:37 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

Yes.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: positivitize on October 18, 2017, 09:48:13 PM
Celtics literally went from championship contenders to first-round fodders in just 24 hours.

Devastating.

Ita game 2, against a playoff team no less.. relax

It's GAME TWO IN THE PLAYOFFS??!?!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 09:49:27 PM
GA grabs Brown's jersey and gets the foul call.  Complete BS
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: knuckleballer on October 18, 2017, 09:49:28 PM
Lol Giannis literally goes back and forth  RIGHT IN FRONT OF AN EFFING REF WITH NO CALL...
It's completely game ruining. Makes watching an unpleasant experience

He's an amazing talent, but the star treatment he's getting is making me resent him.  That last call on Brown when G was clearly fouling him was absurd.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticD on October 18, 2017, 09:49:47 PM
Giannis is gettin some insane calls
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
Jesus tits, just get on your freaking knees for Giannis!! Such BS. I'm already sick and tired of NBA officiating the second game of the season.


The Freak with a bunch of shirt!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mainevent on October 18, 2017, 09:50:21 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

Thank you. People tend to forget this
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 09:50:23 PM
terrible call on Brown there...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: slamtheking on October 18, 2017, 09:50:31 PM
of all the guys that touched the ball in that last possession, it shouldn't have ended up with Marcus to take the shot
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
Big deflection by Kyrie
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: hpantazo on October 18, 2017, 09:51:09 PM
Awful game by Kyrie tonight.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 09:51:36 PM
Hopefully this is Kyrie's low point for the season.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SparzWizard on October 18, 2017, 09:51:41 PM
NOBODY IS GUARDING THE PERIMETER OMG.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:52:19 PM
Well... On to Philly.

Horrible game by Kyrie.  :(
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:52:30 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: angryguy77 on October 18, 2017, 09:52:32 PM
I'm beating a dead horse.....this team has got to stop playing street ball and take better shots.

It's excruciating watching them on offense.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticSooner on October 18, 2017, 09:52:55 PM
Going to be a hell of a grind the first few months until these guys get more comfortable.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SparzWizard on October 18, 2017, 09:53:13 PM
Hate how the Cavs get like 3 days off after opening night, and Celtics forced to play 3 games in 4 nights to start the season.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Phantom255x on October 18, 2017, 09:53:30 PM
Going to be a hell of a grind the first few months until these guys get more comfortable.

Once Morris comes back (hopefully in a week), it should get better for the time being.

Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:53:32 PM
It's almost as if we lost our second most important player and are still trying to adjust on both ends of the court :o
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jambr380 on October 18, 2017, 09:53:34 PM
Another tough loss. I would have preferred Milwaukee at home last night and getting blown out by CLE tonight. Two close losses are never good.

Another solid effort by Brown tonight, though, and I am a continued believer in Rozier.

Really too bad about Kyrie - so far he is no IT, but I am sure he will get it figured out. Besides, IT may never be IT again, so there is that.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:53:36 PM
Team is emotionally gassed and these aren't home court REFS. Tough night after a worse one last night. Gordon Hayward is in surgery right now and I'm thinking about him more than this game, maybe team mates are too.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 18, 2017, 09:53:39 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Kyrie had a terrible shooting night.  No conclusions.  One game. 
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 09:53:43 PM
At times it looked like it would be better if Kyrie just went iso instead of having a big set a pick.  But I don't want to watch Kyrie go into iso mode all game either, he's a big reason for our terrible offensive 4th quarter.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: crimson_stallion on October 18, 2017, 09:53:52 PM
Terry Rozier looking like the Celtics Per-36 champion this year...

Per 36 over the first two games so far:
19.2 points, 8.0 rebounds, 6.4 assists, 4.8 steals, 0 turnovers, 44% FG, 43% 3PT

Edit: Corrected.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: hpantazo on October 18, 2017, 09:54:00 PM
That's an AWFUL call on Rozier. AWFUL!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: wayupnorth on October 18, 2017, 09:54:16 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

LOL you aren't biased against him at all.

He is a better player than IT. Every single GM in the league would trade IT for Kyrie.

Please, quit hating. And I hate it when people saying hating, but you truly, truly are.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 09:54:21 PM
Going to be a hell of a grind the first few months until these guys get more comfortable.

This.  We all knew it was going to take a while to gel, plus we lost Gordon.  Kyrie isn't going to bale us out every night, IT didn't either. 
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 18, 2017, 09:54:35 PM
I appreciate Rozier and Smart having cajones.  Tough guys.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:54:55 PM
Kyrie's a good player. Good players have bad games, and that's fine. But this is who Kyrie is. He's a volume scorer, a poor passer, and his default is always going to be low-percentage isolation looks. Again, he's good. Most nights will be way better than this, but he is not a superstar that will carry his team.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on October 18, 2017, 09:55:01 PM
Another BS call.  These refs need to go officiate high school games.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 09:55:16 PM
how much money do these refs have on this game?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Rosco917 on October 18, 2017, 09:55:30 PM
This is going to be a growing process...and for a while.

This team with the injury to Hayward has to depend on really young players.   
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 18, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
Kyrie's a good player. Good players have bad games, and that's fine. But this is who Kyrie is. He's a volume scorer, a poor passer, and his default is always going to be low-percentage isolation looks. Again, he's good. Most nights will be way better than this, but he is not a superstar that will carry his team.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
how much money do these refs have on this game?

a lot...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
There are going to be suspensions if you guys continue to use profanity.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:56:05 PM
Hate how the Cavs get like 3 days off after opening night, and Celtics forced to play 3 games in 4 nights to start the season.

Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous. How we get screwed like this in the first two nights of the season is beyond me.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:56:12 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Kyrie had a terrible shooting night.  No conclusions.  One game.

It's not about the shots falling; it's the way he plays. His game is inherently inefficient. He's a bad passer and defender. He's very good, but he's not a superstar.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:56:21 PM
how much money do these refs have on this game?

a lot...

I think they are trying to cover the spread!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: hpantazo on October 18, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
This is going to be a growing process...and for a while.

This team with the injury to Hayward has to depend on really young players.

Basically this. Its a whole new team, there are going to be growing pains regardless. Add to that the fact that we now have to rely heavily on young guys, its going to be a rough start to the season.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: RJ87 on October 18, 2017, 09:56:48 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

Also, first home game with his new team. He's clearly wants to impress and is having a rough shooting night. We're two games in guys - he's one good game and one bad one. Let's all take a deep breath. There's at least 80 more games to go.

Now for a different topic - what is Delly's shooting motion? My knees hurt every time I watch it.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:57:19 PM
Nice game by Jaylen, when the zebras let him play!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:57:54 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

LOL you aren't biased against him at all.

He is a better player than IT. Every single GM in the league would trade IT for Kyrie.

Please, quit hating. And I hate it when people saying hating, but you truly, truly are.

These two are not the same thing. If you want to present a coherent argument for Kyrie being better, then I'm all ears, but I doubt you can.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 09:58:23 PM
I'm frustrated right now but I want to remain patient. This is part of the process of developing the kids. Giannis getting the Lebron treatment disgust me though.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: kozlodoev on October 18, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: slamtheking on October 18, 2017, 09:58:54 PM
This is going to be a growing process...and for a while.

This team with the injury to Hayward has to depend on really young players.

Basically this. Its a whole new team, there are going to be growing pains regardless. Add to that the fact that we now have to rely heavily on young guys, its going to be a rough start to the season.
it was the young players that provided the positives tonight.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: PAOBoston on October 18, 2017, 09:58:57 PM
Sweet. At this pace, we shouldn't care about trading the Brooklyn pick. We have a good chance at the top 2 lotto picks anyways!

Offense was a mess tonight. Kyrie was just off. Brown looked good though!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: knuckleballer on October 18, 2017, 09:59:08 PM
Tatum with 10 and 9 rebounds in his first two games.  Nice to see.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 09:59:14 PM
Nice game by Jaylen, when the zebras let him play!
Which was almost never.

Back to back awful displays of officiating. So frustrating
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: wayupnorth on October 18, 2017, 09:59:17 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Kyrie had a terrible shooting night.  No conclusions.  One game.

It's not about the shots falling; it's the way he plays. His game is inherently inefficient. He's a bad passer and defender. He's very good, but he's not a superstar.

Literally everything you said about Kyrie could be said about IT. He only got super efficient after working with Brad. Give Kyrie a full season to learn the offense.

He clearly is feeling out when to shoot and when to move the ball.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 09:59:43 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: kozlodoev on October 18, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....
Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 10:00:19 PM
2 games in and Kyrie did something IT didn't do last year: 18 missed FGAs in one game.

It will get better, but these first two games have been depressing, albeit in wildly different ways.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 10:00:26 PM
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(

TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 10:00:45 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

LOL you aren't biased against him at all.

He is a better player than IT. Every single GM in the league would trade IT for Kyrie.

Please, quit hating. And I hate it when people saying hating, but you truly, truly are.

These two are not the same thing. If you want to present a coherent argument for Kyrie being better, then I'm all ears, but I doubt you can.
here's one: he can walk
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:01:10 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Kyrie had a terrible shooting night.  No conclusions.  One game.

It's not about the shots falling; it's the way he plays. His game is inherently inefficient. He's a bad passer and defender. He's very good, but he's not a superstar.

Literally everything you said about Kyrie could be said about IT. He only got super efficient after working with Brad. Give Kyrie a full season to learn the offense.

He clearly is feeling out when to shoot and when to move the ball.

No, not everything, because Isaiah did put up an historically efficient season. You're merely projecting for Kyrie.


Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:01:53 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

LOL you aren't biased against him at all.

He is a better player than IT. Every single GM in the league would trade IT for Kyrie.

Please, quit hating. And I hate it when people saying hating, but you truly, truly are.

These two are not the same thing. If you want to present a coherent argument for Kyrie being better, then I'm all ears, but I doubt you can.
here's one: he can walk

Alright, that's fair. I'll rephrase: Kyrie is not better than Isaiah was last year.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 10:02:02 PM
The other side of this is the Bucks played well.  Brogdon and Middleton both played great as 2nd and 3rd scorers behind Giannis.  They hit shots that kept us honest and not overhelping on Giannis.  If they play like this consistently they will be pushing for a home court playoff position.

We gotta play better D without fouling, even if the refs are calling everything nuts.  We needed to stop the penetration from Giannis way earlier than we did.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Rosco917 on October 18, 2017, 10:02:11 PM
Kyrie plays like he still playing with LeBron on the floor. Kyrie needs to grow into being a leader and a PG.

Still taking all into consideration we're better off with him than IT.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 10:02:23 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 10:02:33 PM
The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....
Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.
Pretty obvious conclusion when Jaylen gets a foul called on him when Giannis has a fiEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.l of Jaylen's jersey.
Terrible officiating
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Tr1boy on October 18, 2017, 10:02:38 PM
Celtics in big trouble

Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: hardlyyardley on October 18, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Shot clock wind down syndrome.....assist o basket ratio seemed low
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 10:02:55 PM
i don't know why people keep bringing up IT's historic season

...


why not bring up pierce's best year? or bird's?


none of them are happening again whether he was on our team or not
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:03:21 PM
Celtics in big trouble

Tends to happen when you lose your best player.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 10:03:29 PM
13 FT for Giannis alone. Celtics as team only have 21.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 10:03:58 PM
i don't know why people keep bringing up IT's historic season

...


why not bring up pierce's best year? or bird's?


none of them are happening again whether he was on our team or not

yup, exactly.  get over it guys, we only have the guys we have on our team right now.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: kozlodoev on October 18, 2017, 10:04:02 PM
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(

TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: D Dub on October 18, 2017, 10:04:11 PM
2 games in and Kyrie did something IT didn't do last year: 18 missed FGAs in one game.

It will get better, but these first two games have been depressing, albeit in wildly different ways.

Yea Kyrie looks terrible. 

It's going to be a long season.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 10:06:01 PM
The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....
Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.

Calling me a "loser" just highlights your ignorance....
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Tr1boy on October 18, 2017, 10:06:32 PM
2 games in and Kyrie did something IT didn't do last year: 18 missed FGAs in one game.

It will get better, but these first two games have been depressing, albeit in wildly different ways.

Yea Kyrie looks terrible. 

It's going to be a long season.

IT4 with a smile thinking.... i told you so Danny

Kyrie looking lost so far
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:06:59 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 10:07:33 PM
Tatum with 10 and 9 rebounds in his first two games.  Nice to see.
Yeah, Tatum has done a great job helping out on the boards. Aggressive rebounder.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 10:08:10 PM
2 games in and Kyrie did something IT didn't do last year: 18 missed FGAs in one game.

It will get better, but these first two games have been depressing, albeit in wildly different ways.

Yea Kyrie looks terrible. 

It's going to be a long season.

IT4 with a smile thinking.... i told you so Danny

Kyrie looking lost so far
He had one really good game and one really poor one. Am I missing something here, or are you all just overreacting??
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on October 18, 2017, 10:09:01 PM
Guys, we don’t have our best player. Plus half of our rotation is players with 1-2 years of experience.  I’m frustrated with the loss, Kyrie looked awful, but chill.  It’s very very early.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 10:09:53 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 10:09:55 PM
Don't mind this loss that much. I expected this to be a tough game. Milwaukee a hard match-up for the Celtics right now with Hayward and Morris out injured. It was a close game. The young guys did great work for the team - Jaylen, Rozier, Tatum, Smart. If it wasn't for an absolute stinker of a performance from Kyrie, they would have won.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 10:09:55 PM
CB already in their gloom and doom form already ;D. Chillax. Last season, we also have a pretty rough start with 5-5 record in  the first 10 games.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 10:10:08 PM
 :o
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(

TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.

Timeout might've helped.  :o
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: wayupnorth on October 18, 2017, 10:10:43 PM
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(

TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.

Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.

How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?

Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.

We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 10:11:54 PM
2 games in and Kyrie did something IT didn't do last year: 18 missed FGAs in one game.

It will get better, but these first two games have been depressing, albeit in wildly different ways.

Yea Kyrie looks terrible. 

It's going to be a long season.

IT4 with a smile thinking.... i told you so Danny

Kyrie looking lost so far
He had one really good game and one really poor one. Am I missing something here, or are you all just overreacting??

I don't think he was really good in Game 1, but my comments are related to tonight's game.

When Kyrie's shot is off, I don't think he currently has the skills to help the team in other ways, tangible or intangible.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:11:59 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 10:12:20 PM
Don't mind this loss that much. I expected this to be a tough game. Milwaukee a hard match-up for the Celtics right now with Hayward and Morris out injured. It was a close game. The young guys did great work for the team - Jaylen, Rozier, Tatum, Smart. If it wasn't for an absolute stinker of a performance from Kyrie, they would have won.

I don't think the bucks are getting enough credit for the win tonight.  They played tough, hit shots and didn't give us easy buckets. 

Young guys played well, and will get better each game.  It really looks like we need a little practice time to go over some fundamental player spacing and attacking the doubling that KI was facing most of the night.  We can handle that def scheme much better than we did tonight.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 10:12:30 PM
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(

TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.

Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.

How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?

Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.

We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.

I think Brad is a better coach than ozlodoev...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: kozlodoev on October 18, 2017, 10:13:09 PM
The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....
Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.

Calling me a "loser" just highlights your ignorance....
Blaming forces outside your control for losses just means you're excusing your poor results with something you can't work on or fix. Certainly the attitude of winners, Belichick and company do it every week.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: wayupnorth on October 18, 2017, 10:14:07 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Most valuable draft asset in the league?

You know that is patently incorrect right?

You dislike Kyrie goes far beyond rational.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: wayupnorth on October 18, 2017, 10:14:36 PM
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(

TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.

Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.

How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?

Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.

We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.

I think Brad is a better coach than ozlodoev...

kozolodev disagrees.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 10:16:04 PM
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(

TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.

Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.

How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?

Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.

We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.

I think Brad is a better coach than ozlodoev...

kozolodev disagrees.

That's all he can do...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 10:16:40 PM
The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....
Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.

Calling me a "loser" just highlights your ignorance....
Blaming forces outside your control for losses just means you're excusing your poor results with something you can't work on or fix. Certainly the attitude of winners, Belichick and company do it every week.
well i think we can ALL agree that no ref has ever decided the outcome of a game..
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 10:17:09 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 10:17:28 PM
I'd like to see Stevens do more to get Tatum some shots. Tatum is too talented a scorer to get only 7 shots in 37 minutes. Tatum has shown real promise as a mid-post scorer. Get him a few touches there. Let him see the ball. Take shots. Be aggressive. It'll help him stay aggressive and attack more in other situations.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 10:18:18 PM
Nets are now the 4th seed and we are 14th seed. Lo
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:19:14 PM
Nets are now the 4th seed and we are 14th seed. Lo

Play badly for Bagley
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 10:19:21 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

I think we both know how untrue this is, because a) the eggs are clearly not all in the Kyrie basket, and b) what's the alternative? Maxing out a 5'9" guy coming off a major injury? No thanks.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 10:20:11 PM
The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....
Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.

Calling me a "loser" just highlights your ignorance....
Blaming forces outside your control for losses just means you're excusing your poor results with something you can't work on or fix. Certainly the attitude of winners, Belichick and company do it every week.
well i think we can ALL agree that no ref has ever decided the outcome of a game..

Yeah, they make no difference at all...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:21:04 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 10:21:58 PM
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(

TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.

Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.

How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?

Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.

We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.

Are we really going to do the "no criticism of Brad" thing again this year? You'd think he was Jesus incarnate from your posts harping on any who dares to *gasp* criticize the almighty Brad Stevens.

He can be both an excellent coach and still make mistakes. And, yeah, one of his main flaws is to not call timeouts in those situations, especially given his ATO play-calling abilities.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 10:22:03 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SparzWizard on October 18, 2017, 10:23:02 PM
CB already in their gloom and doom form already ;D. Chillax. Last season, we also have a pretty rough start with 5-5 record in  the first 10 games.

We don't have a serviceable SF like Jae Crowder this year after Hayward went down. Kyrie so far playing lesser than IT4's level.

Celtics are in panic mode already.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:23:25 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

I think we both know how untrue this is, because a) the eggs are clearly not all in the Kyrie basket, and b) what's the alternative? Maxing out a 5'9" guy coming off a major injury? No thanks.

Why does it have to be either? No one's forcing you to make one of two bad decisions.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:24:02 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 18, 2017, 10:27:26 PM
Celtics own pick might be lottery at this rate
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 10:27:34 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.

oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish.  The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad.  We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'.  We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor.  that comes from the whole team not just one player.  KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team. 

if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you. 
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:29:06 PM
In the interest of positivity:

1. Tatum looks awesome. Really knows how to use his length in all aspects of the game.
2. Jaylen, wow. That's all I've got. He's totally shattered my expectations. Advancements he's made as a finisher and ball-handler are remarkable. He looks like a stud.
3. Terry can play. People make fun of Danny for his Terry obsession, but Terry can really play.
4. Nader looked half decent.
5. Think Theis can be useful against teams without a Monroe-type.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 10:30:35 PM
CB already in their gloom and doom form already ;D. Chillax. Last season, we also have a pretty rough start with 5-5 record in  the first 10 games.

We don't have a serviceable SF like Jae Crowder this year after Hayward went down. Kyrie so far playing lesser than IT4's level.

Celtics  *FANS* are in panic mode already.
fixed that for you ;)
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 10:30:38 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.

oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish.  The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad.  We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'.  We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor.  that comes from the whole team not just one player.  KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team. 

if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.

Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: blink on October 18, 2017, 10:31:08 PM
In the interest of positivity:

1. Tatum looks awesome. Really knows how to use his length in all aspects of the game.
2. Jaylen, wow. That's all I've got. He's totally shattered my expectations. Advancements he's made as a finisher and ball-handler are remarkable. He looks like a stud.
3. Terry can play. People make fun of Danny for his Terry obsession, but Terry can really play.
4. Nader looked half decent.
5. Think Theis can be useful against teams without a Monroe-type.

i agree 100%... tp
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.

oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish.  The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad.  We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'.  We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor.  that comes from the whole team not just one player.  KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team. 

if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.

Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
hahaha..

oh wait.. you're serious


i thought he won a championship a year ago?

i guess he was just a lowly role player


*edit* but seriously he's definitely going to have to step it up for us to have a good year

he'll need some time. i think he can do it
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: cltc5 on October 18, 2017, 10:39:50 PM
Lotta props to this team for all they've been through.  Brighter days ahead
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: wayupnorth on October 18, 2017, 11:11:27 PM
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(

TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.

Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.

How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?

Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.

We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.

Are we really going to do the "no criticism of Brad" thing again this year? You'd think he was Jesus incarnate from your posts harping on any who dares to *gasp* criticize the almighty Brad Stevens.

He can be both an excellent coach and still make mistakes. And, yeah, one of his main flaws is to not call timeouts in those situations, especially given his ATO play-calling abilities.

Comparing anyone, player or coach, to perfection is a fool's errand.

Add to that, do you think, if you met with Brad, he wouldn't have a good explanation for his decisions?

You can disagree with things he does, but chances are you are wrong.

Coaching is simply not a problem on this team, and to harp on it, is something I just don't get it.

And kozlodev constantly acts like Brad is just this terroble coach, it isn't simply critizing a decision that was made.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 11:37:07 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.

oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish.  The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad.  We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'.  We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor.  that comes from the whole team not just one player.  KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team. 

if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.

Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
hahaha..

oh wait.. you're serious


i thought he won a championship a year ago?

i guess he was just a lowly role player


*edit* but seriously he's definitely going to have to step it up for us to have a good year

he'll need some time. i think he can do it

There's a big difference between being LeBron's sidekick and carrying a team yourself. Kyrie can be a part of a winning team; he can't carry one.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: RockinRyA on October 18, 2017, 11:46:55 PM
Sucks that our first two games are against teams we could really use Hayward and Morris.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 18, 2017, 11:49:39 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.

oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish.  The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad.  We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'.  We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor.  that comes from the whole team not just one player.  KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team. 

if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.

Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
hahaha..

oh wait.. you're serious


i thought he won a championship a year ago?

i guess he was just a lowly role player


*edit* but seriously he's definitely going to have to step it up for us to have a good year

he'll need some time. i think he can do it

But, serious question: If you swapped out Kyrie, how many players are there in the league that would have won a championship with CLE in 2016? 
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: bopna on October 18, 2017, 11:50:21 PM
You guys amaze me...

Aren't we allowed to lose even if our arguably best player is out for the season?

This team is being forced to adjust on the fly the loss of GH..2 straight games we lost because we didn't really expect GH to be out yet we played these extremely talented teams at a very good level.

We need the some days off to somehow game plan ourselves for the rest of the season...heck we might even start 0-5 before we get our first win...GH is a very important element in what this team will try to accomplish this yr and now that plan will be thrown out the window.

Smart has to improve. Offensively im still seeing the exact same Smart from last season.

Kyrie and IT are two extremely talented players but two different styles as well...KI seems to me avoids contact. IT on the other hand relishes it and that is why he scores a bunch of points. I still don't think Brad has gotten the opportunity to maximise Kyrie's talent yet.

Brown is looking more and more like our defacto best player right now just because he is practically the only one who can shread the teeth of the defense and is able to score at will. Hopefully the refs would start respecting his game to give him the DWade treatment...he looks like he is almost always fouled whenever he drives to the hoop...Im also interested in giving JB plays where he posts himself up..so far in 2 games he is under utilized offensively and yet managed to be our best offensive weapon on both occasions.

And by the way...we lost because we stunk at the FT line...yup. Sink half of all of those misses and we win this game.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 11:55:01 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.

oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish.  The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad.  We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'.  We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor.  that comes from the whole team not just one player.  KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team. 

if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.

Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
hahaha..

oh wait.. you're serious


i thought he won a championship a year ago?

i guess he was just a lowly role player


*edit* but seriously he's definitely going to have to step it up for us to have a good year

he'll need some time. i think he can do it

There's a big difference between being LeBron's sidekick and carrying a team yourself. Kyrie can be a part of a winning team; he can't carry one.
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Snakehead on October 18, 2017, 11:57:52 PM
Rozier after the game:

Quote
"We messed up on a lot of plays," said Terry Rozier, who notched 15 points, seven rebounds, six assists and two steals in the defeat. "That can't happen. Like (Stevens) said after the game: We're professionals, so we better learn the plays or we won't play."
 

"We just got a lot of guys that can play multiple positions, so when we call out the plays, some guys just run to the spots that they can play, and it just kind of messes us up," Rozier said. "But like I said, we just gotta get it right. We're professionals, we gotta just play off one another."

People shouldn't be overreacting.  I think the bolded point from Stevens suggests how off they were.



Kyrie as well:


Quote
Asked how to address the issue, Kyrie Irving said simply, "Learn the plays."

"Just understand the perception that we need in our preparation comes way before the games," Irving continued. "Like I said, it's going to come in waves and you see out there, we got Nader out there now, we got Shane (Larkin) out there, and to be honest with you, we haven't even, in the first group, practiced with those guys. Now they're out there playing big-time minutes and we need to utilize them and they gotta be in spots and know their spots 1 through 5. The reliance comes on the vets on this team and it trickles all the way down to the 15th guy. We gotta ... remain confident, unwavering in our approach, and we'll be fine."

From Jay King's article.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 18, 2017, 11:58:20 PM
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.

oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish.  The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad.  We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'.  We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor.  that comes from the whole team not just one player.  KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team. 

if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.

Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
hahaha..

oh wait.. you're serious


i thought he won a championship a year ago?

i guess he was just a lowly role player


*edit* but seriously he's definitely going to have to step it up for us to have a good year

he'll need some time. i think he can do it

But, serious question: If you swapped out Kyrie, how many players are there in the league that would have won a championship with CLE in 2016?
i don't know and i don't care


hypothetical questions about the past don't matter
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Snakehead on October 19, 2017, 12:00:13 AM
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship

Yup.  This sudden "Kyrie is a superstar and should be carrying the team alone" narrative all the sudden is silly.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: GratefulCs on October 19, 2017, 12:01:35 AM
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship

Yup.  This sudden "Kyrie is a superstar and should be carrying the team alone" narrative all the sudden is silly.
agreed

TP
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: moiso on October 19, 2017, 12:21:14 AM
Rozier after the game:

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"We messed up on a lot of plays," said Terry Rozier, who notched 15 points, seven rebounds, six assists and two steals in the defeat. "That can't happen. Like (Stevens) said after the game: We're professionals, so we better learn the plays or we won't play."
 

"We just got a lot of guys that can play multiple positions, so when we call out the plays, some guys just run to the spots that they can play, and it just kind of messes us up," Rozier said. "But like I said, we just gotta get it right. We're professionals, we gotta just play off one another."

People shouldn't be overreacting.  I think the bolded point from Stevens suggests how off they were.



Kyrie as well:


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Asked how to address the issue, Kyrie Irving said simply, "Learn the plays."

"Just understand the perception that we need in our preparation comes way before the games," Irving continued. "Like I said, it's going to come in waves and you see out there, we got Nader out there now, we got Shane (Larkin) out there, and to be honest with you, we haven't even, in the first group, practiced with those guys. Now they're out there playing big-time minutes and we need to utilize them and they gotta be in spots and know their spots 1 through 5. The reliance comes on the vets on this team and it trickles all the way down to the 15th guy. We gotta ... remain confident, unwavering in our approach, and we'll be fine."

From Jay King's article.
Always beneficial to understand the perception that we need in our preparation.  This perception, it comes way before the games.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Ogaju on October 19, 2017, 12:23:47 AM
how many points did Kyrie score tonight?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Somebody on October 19, 2017, 12:25:40 AM
how many points did Kyrie score tonight?
How many shots did he miss though?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Ogaju on October 19, 2017, 12:26:24 AM
how many points did Kyrie score tonight?
How many shots did he miss though?

anyone have a link to a box score? I cant find one.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Ogaju on October 19, 2017, 12:30:12 AM
found box score.... we need more production out of Horford, and Tatum should be taking more shots.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: max215 on October 19, 2017, 12:36:18 AM
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship

Yup.  This sudden "Kyrie is a superstar and should be carrying the team alone" narrative all the sudden is silly.

Not really when you pay the price you paid for him. That haul puts the expectation of superstardom on Irving. I don't think he's capable of being that player, so I hated the trade. But everyone who defended it had the expectation that Irving would be that transformative player.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Snakehead on October 19, 2017, 12:39:46 AM
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship

Yup.  This sudden "Kyrie is a superstar and should be carrying the team alone" narrative all the sudden is silly.

Not really when you pay the price you paid for him. That haul puts the expectation of superstardom on Irving. I don't think he's capable of being that player, so I hated the trade. But everyone who defended it had the expectation that Irving would be that transformative player.

I didn't have any of this nebulous "transformative player" idea at all..  The worst move is to pay IT his next contract (it would absolutely kill your team going forward) and he had a bad injury already.  I have been operating under that thought for a while now.

We gave up Crowder and the Nets pick and I think a lot of people overrate what the pick is worth.  For me the beauty of the original Nets trade was that we got multiple chances at the top picks so it just ups your odds of success so much (seems we hit twice maybe).

Irving is a great player and he needs help.  The team was failing to execute plays and he was getting triple teamed.  Not sure what he can transform into to fix that.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Snakehead on October 19, 2017, 12:45:04 AM
found box score.... we need more production out of Horford, and Tatum should be taking more shots.

This has been bothering me too.  In the preseason Horford was firing from 3 and it was great but I think he might only have taken 1 or 2 so far.  Especially now, they need him to shoot.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 19, 2017, 12:48:12 AM
Is Smart jacking all those ISO shots in hope of a new contract?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 19, 2017, 12:50:00 AM
Is Smart jacking all those ISO shots in hope of a new contract?

Shooting himself in the foot is what he's doing.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Kuberski33 on October 19, 2017, 12:52:21 AM
found box score.... we need more production out of Horford, and Tatum should be taking more shots.
And Smart less...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 19, 2017, 12:58:12 AM
Is Smart jacking all those ISO shots in hope of a new contract?

Shooting himself in the foot is what he's doing.

Shooting himself in the wallet...
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: wayupnorth on October 19, 2017, 01:17:09 AM
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship

Yup.  This sudden "Kyrie is a superstar and should be carrying the team alone" narrative all the sudden is silly.

Not really when you pay the price you paid for him. That haul puts the expectation of superstardom on Irving. I don't think he's capable of being that player, so I hated the trade. But everyone who defended it had the expectation that Irving would be that transformative player.

You clearly have an axe to grind with Kyrie.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: gouki88 on October 19, 2017, 02:12:50 AM
Is Smart jacking all those ISO shots in hope of a new contract?

Shooting himself in the foot is what he's doing.
He shoots too much already
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: hodgy03038 on October 19, 2017, 06:32:50 AM
My impressions of this team in it's current state:
 With Smart starting it is taking the ball out of Kyrie's hands too much and when Kyrie is finally getting the ball he is trying too hard to do too much and failing. Brown is a beast and I love his aggressiveness. Tatum is still a little apprehensive and needs to become more aggressive like Brown and it will eventually work out. Al is playing well but as the #2 option he is finding it difficult to get it going. Let's face it - Milwaukee was too long and too defensive for us last night. I mean Brogdon killed us. I won't even talk about the Greek Freak. I like Baynes and he will be good for us over the long haul but we do need a little more toughness in the lineup like say a Marcus Morris - yeah Marcus when will you be playing? We need a valid second shooting option to take the pressure off Kyrie so he can get some open looks. I think Brad will figure it out and right the ship but it may take a little while. I don't even feel comfortable for Friday night. I think when Morris returns we need to send Smart back to the second unit where he thrives and so Kyrie can get going. I love Rozier and I think this will be a breakout season for him.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 19, 2017, 06:45:05 AM
Bucks have a lot of length and its deep length having Monroe on the bench.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: hodgy03038 on October 19, 2017, 06:59:18 AM
Two more things...

 Smart gets thrown to the floor by Dellavedova and jumps up and gets in Dirty Delly's face and Henson comes in and shoves Smart and these officials call Smart for a T? And dirty delly gets to take the shot? Seriously?

 Our free throw shooting needs vast improvement. Milwaukee 25-30 and we were 11-21.

Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: Drucci on October 19, 2017, 01:27:44 PM
Frustrating loss, Kyrie was forcing tonight, I don't know if he felt he should "take over" since it was a back to back but he took terrible shots most of the time (and missed a lot of open ones).

Good performances by Jaylen and Jayson again, very encouraging. Theis is already a fan favorite !

Giannis was a monster though.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: More Banners on October 19, 2017, 01:49:39 PM
Two more things...

 Smart gets thrown to the floor by Dellavedova and jumps up and gets in Dirty Delly's face and Henson comes in and shoves Smart and these officials call Smart for a T? And dirty delly gets to take the shot? Seriously?

 Our free throw shooting needs vast improvement. Milwaukee 25-30 and we were 11-21.

Definitely not how I would've called it. Smart gets the T, but so does Henson, so everyone is kept in check and no free throws. No idea that the new rules allowed "peacemakers" to shove people after a whistle with both hands. No idea why Henson didn't get T'd up too. Does the league comment on these things?  Anyone know what the officials' game report said?
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 19, 2017, 04:23:32 PM
Frustrating loss, Kyrie was forcing tonight, I don't know if he felt he should "take over" since it was a back to back but he took terrible shots most of the time (and missed a lot of open ones).

Good performances by Jaylen and Jayson again, very encouraging. Theis is already a fan favorite !

Giannis was a monster though.

I was us to have a monster.
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: liam on October 19, 2017, 04:48:28 PM
Frustrating loss, Kyrie was forcing tonight, I don't know if he felt he should "take over" since it was a back to back but he took terrible shots most of the time (and missed a lot of open ones).

Good performances by Jaylen and Jayson again, very encouraging. Theis is already a fan favorite !

Giannis was a monster though.

I was us to have a monster.

Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum say hi! They are only 19 and 20. Giannis is 22. They'll get their!
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: j804 on October 19, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
Frustrating loss, Kyrie was forcing tonight, I don't know if he felt he should "take over" since it was a back to back but he took terrible shots most of the time (and missed a lot of open ones).

Good performances by Jaylen and Jayson again, very encouraging. Theis is already a fan favorite !

Giannis was a monster though.
He’s trying to find a rhythm especially with Gordon down don’t mind him taking those shots they’ll fall rather he then Marcus
Title: Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 19, 2017, 06:05:35 PM
Frustrating loss, Kyrie was forcing tonight, I don't know if he felt he should "take over" since it was a back to back but he took terrible shots most of the time (and missed a lot of open ones).

Good performances by Jaylen and Jayson again, very encouraging. Theis is already a fan favorite !

Giannis was a monster though.

I was us to have a monster.

Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum say hi! They are only 19 and 20. Giannis is 22. They'll get their!

Maybe. Hopefully.