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Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« on: September 27, 2021, 08:36:58 PM »

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The Denver Nuggets and forward Michael Porter Jr. have agreed on a five-year designated maximum extension that could be worth up to $207 million, Porter's agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Porter will hit that $207 million number if he makes one of the three All-NBA teams this season. Otherwise, he will get the five-year rookie max of $172 million.

Denver is going to have some payroll problems in the future.


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Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2021, 08:40:59 PM »

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They better hope that Porter's previous health problems don't start to flare up again.
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Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2021, 08:42:00 PM »

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The Denver Nuggets and forward Michael Porter Jr. have agreed on a five-year designated maximum extension that could be worth up to $207 million, Porter's agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Porter will hit that $207 million number if he makes one of the three All-NBA teams this season. Otherwise, he will get the five-year rookie max of $172 million.

Denver is going to have some payroll problems in the future.

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I literally said that in a previous post, what you’ve also got to factor in is Jokic’s upcoming super max…somethings got to give.
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Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
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They better hope that Porter's previous health problems don't start to flare up again.

Multiple journalists suggested MPJ’s contract would be similar to Embiid’s, in terms of injury protections.
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Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2021, 09:55:36 PM »

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The Denver Nuggets and forward Michael Porter Jr. have agreed on a five-year designated maximum extension that could be worth up to $207 million, Porter's agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Porter will hit that $207 million number if he makes one of the three All-NBA teams this season. Otherwise, he will get the five-year rookie max of $172 million.

Denver is going to have some payroll problems in the future.
They won't hit repeater tax for several seasons though (the aren't even paying the tax this year).  So they have some time till that kicks in.  Also, unless MPJ gets the boost, their big 3 will all be around 30 million until 23-24 when Jokic's 35% will kick in, which is a lot different than a team like the Lakers where Davis is 3rd in salary at 35 million, but would lead the Nuggets by a few million.  It is the guys on the 35% contracts that become super crippling to a cap and the Nuggets guys are all 25% (again unless MPJ gets the boost to 30%).  Even if they want to keep Gordon, they can pretty easily get cheaper bench players than guys like Barton, JaMychal Green, and Morris to shave salary if they want to.  So in sum, I don't think they actually have payroll problems, at least not for a little while, so they can actually see if they can contend over the next couple of seasons before figuring out who to keep, who to trade, etc. 
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Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2021, 10:21:40 PM »

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The Denver Nuggets and forward Michael Porter Jr. have agreed on a five-year designated maximum extension that could be worth up to $207 million, Porter's agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Porter will hit that $207 million number if he makes one of the three All-NBA teams this season. Otherwise, he will get the five-year rookie max of $172 million.

Denver is going to have some payroll problems in the future.
They won't hit repeater tax for several seasons though (the aren't even paying the tax this year).  So they have some time till that kicks in.  Also, unless MPJ gets the boost, their big 3 will all be around 30 million until 23-24 when Jokic's 35% will kick in, which is a lot different than a team like the Lakers where Davis is 3rd in salary at 35 million, but would lead the Nuggets by a few million.  It is the guys on the 35% contracts that become super crippling to a cap and the Nuggets guys are all 25% (again unless MPJ gets the boost to 30%).  Even if they want to keep Gordon, they can pretty easily get cheaper bench players than guys like Barton, JaMychal Green, and Morris to shave salary if they want to.  So in sum, I don't think they actually have payroll problems, at least not for a little while, so they can actually see if they can contend over the next couple of seasons before figuring out who to keep, who to trade, etc.

Denver is currently slated to have a luxury tax bill in excess of $50 million next season if they don’t make any moves other than filling out their roster to 14 players (currently only 10 are under contract).  That’s a big payroll and tax bill on its own, repeater tax or no.

Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2021, 10:49:43 PM »

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That.... seems like a lot of money for MPJ, especially given the injury concerns.

Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2021, 11:03:33 PM »

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Porter Jr is a worthy rookie max extension player. His efficiency combined with his attributes is off the charts for a young player. He will mature into an overqualified 3rd option and push Murray for the 2nd scoring option within the next couple of seasons.

I don’t like the Aaron Gordon extension long term cap wise either, but it’s a solid fit on the court with him tasked to be the defensive stopper and 4th scoring option. They have an MVP caliber player on the roster and are 2 deep at every position, as long as they’re healthy, they’re the most dangerous team in the West.

Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2021, 12:25:43 AM »

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That.... seems like a lot of money for MPJ, especially given the injury concerns.

Unlike most max contracts, he has the talent to live up to the contract if healthy. There are plenty of healthy max guys that don’t have that ability.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2021, 04:16:40 AM »

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They are giving him that basing on his potential. That's a huge gamble and could potentially hurt them in the future if it doesn't pay off.

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2021, 06:51:41 AM »

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The Denver Nuggets and forward Michael Porter Jr. have agreed on a five-year designated maximum extension that could be worth up to $207 million, Porter's agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Porter will hit that $207 million number if he makes one of the three All-NBA teams this season. Otherwise, he will get the five-year rookie max of $172 million.

Denver is going to have some payroll problems in the future.
They won't hit repeater tax for several seasons though (the aren't even paying the tax this year).  So they have some time till that kicks in.  Also, unless MPJ gets the boost, their big 3 will all be around 30 million until 23-24 when Jokic's 35% will kick in, which is a lot different than a team like the Lakers where Davis is 3rd in salary at 35 million, but would lead the Nuggets by a few million.  It is the guys on the 35% contracts that become super crippling to a cap and the Nuggets guys are all 25% (again unless MPJ gets the boost to 30%).  Even if they want to keep Gordon, they can pretty easily get cheaper bench players than guys like Barton, JaMychal Green, and Morris to shave salary if they want to.  So in sum, I don't think they actually have payroll problems, at least not for a little while, so they can actually see if they can contend over the next couple of seasons before figuring out who to keep, who to trade, etc.

Denver is currently slated to have a luxury tax bill in excess of $50 million next season if they don’t make any moves other than filling out their roster to 14 players (currently only 10 are under contract).  That’s a big payroll and tax bill on its own, repeater tax or no.
true, but that is at least a year away and they aren't anywhere near repeater.  They can do that for a couple of seasons.
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Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2021, 07:32:34 AM »

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The Denver Nuggets and forward Michael Porter Jr. have agreed on a five-year designated maximum extension that could be worth up to $207 million, Porter's agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Porter will hit that $207 million number if he makes one of the three All-NBA teams this season. Otherwise, he will get the five-year rookie max of $172 million.

Denver is going to have some payroll problems in the future.
They won't hit repeater tax for several seasons though (the aren't even paying the tax this year).  So they have some time till that kicks in.  Also, unless MPJ gets the boost, their big 3 will all be around 30 million until 23-24 when Jokic's 35% will kick in, which is a lot different than a team like the Lakers where Davis is 3rd in salary at 35 million, but would lead the Nuggets by a few million.  It is the guys on the 35% contracts that become super crippling to a cap and the Nuggets guys are all 25% (again unless MPJ gets the boost to 30%).  Even if they want to keep Gordon, they can pretty easily get cheaper bench players than guys like Barton, JaMychal Green, and Morris to shave salary if they want to.  So in sum, I don't think they actually have payroll problems, at least not for a little while, so they can actually see if they can contend over the next couple of seasons before figuring out who to keep, who to trade, etc.

Denver is currently slated to have a luxury tax bill in excess of $50 million next season if they don’t make any moves other than filling out their roster to 14 players (currently only 10 are under contract).  That’s a big payroll and tax bill on its own, repeater tax or no.
true, but that is at least a year away and they aren't anywhere near repeater.  They can do that for a couple of seasons.

What does it matter if it’s a year away?  That’s the whole point of the discussion — with this deal and Gordon’s extension, not to mention Jokic’s supermax, Denver is going to have a really high salary and tax bill barring moves to shed salary, and it’s curious what they’re going to do, having not been at this tax threshold before.

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2021, 08:11:42 AM »

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The Denver Nuggets and forward Michael Porter Jr. have agreed on a five-year designated maximum extension that could be worth up to $207 million, Porter's agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Porter will hit that $207 million number if he makes one of the three All-NBA teams this season. Otherwise, he will get the five-year rookie max of $172 million.

Denver is going to have some payroll problems in the future.
They won't hit repeater tax for several seasons though (the aren't even paying the tax this year).  So they have some time till that kicks in.  Also, unless MPJ gets the boost, their big 3 will all be around 30 million until 23-24 when Jokic's 35% will kick in, which is a lot different than a team like the Lakers where Davis is 3rd in salary at 35 million, but would lead the Nuggets by a few million.  It is the guys on the 35% contracts that become super crippling to a cap and the Nuggets guys are all 25% (again unless MPJ gets the boost to 30%).  Even if they want to keep Gordon, they can pretty easily get cheaper bench players than guys like Barton, JaMychal Green, and Morris to shave salary if they want to.  So in sum, I don't think they actually have payroll problems, at least not for a little while, so they can actually see if they can contend over the next couple of seasons before figuring out who to keep, who to trade, etc.

Denver is currently slated to have a luxury tax bill in excess of $50 million next season if they don’t make any moves other than filling out their roster to 14 players (currently only 10 are under contract).  That’s a big payroll and tax bill on its own, repeater tax or no.
true, but that is at least a year away and they aren't anywhere near repeater.  They can do that for a couple of seasons.

What does it matter if it’s a year away?  That’s the whole point of the discussion — with this deal and Gordon’s extension, not to mention Jokic’s supermax, Denver is going to have a really high salary and tax bill barring moves to shed salary, and it’s curious what they’re going to do, having not been at this tax threshold before.
I don't think the salary issue becomes unmanageable for them for a few seasons.  That was the point I was making.  I think they can give it a couple of seasons before they have to do anything and that should be enough time to tell them what to do.
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Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2021, 08:26:45 AM »

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Can't say that I'm a big fan of this deal. Maybe it's just a gut feeling, but it's a bad gut feeling.

Re: Michael Porter Jr. Agrees to 5-Year Max
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2021, 12:08:03 PM »

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I am trying to refresh my memory on Porter.  He was a star prospect who had back surgery, dropped to 14 in the draft, and missed his entire rookie year, correct?  But has been durable the last two seasons?

His 2020-21 season was great.  Incredible 3p% (44.5% of 6.5 3PA per game).  There is always injury risk with any big contract but if they were able to get some protections against recurring injuries specific to the previous injury, that seems like a pretty safe deal.  Any player can get injured at any time with no team protection.

Denver to me looks to have a very solid and complimentary big 3.  They have a scoring PG (who may be the biggest injury concern), a wing who is big enough to play PF, and an MVP level center who can dominate.  Why not go all in?  What is the alternative?  Trade for Simmons?  He has been injured as much as anyone and he can't even shoot.  Why not go with the player that can shoot 44% from 3 and has contract injury protections vs. the one that can't shoot and has no contract injury protections?

I like where Denver is at.  Just need to see how the injury impacts Murray.