The Superstar Ascension of Jaylen Brown

[CelticsElite]

Anyone else seeing flashes of D wade? Strong D, strong finishing, etc

[RJ87]

Other than the fact that it has been repeated endlessly, why exactly is Tatum's ceiling higher?

My take is that Tatum submitted to a max NBA training regimen since age 13. Did the most dedicated possible path through AAU/Duke. Nothing but basketball. Jaylen decided to also be a person for a while. So while Tatum is 1 1/2 years younger, he's been 100% dedicated to training for a pro career longer. When he was a rookie and Brown was a 2nd year pro, Tatum had put in more hours in the gym working on his toolkit, and everyone decided he was more talented.

Both guys have been very dedicated since they became pros, and it shows. The progression is there for both. But Jaylen has improved more, and he is considerably more athletic, and it's starting to appear that he is a bit more competitive too. Twenty games from now, it could very well be obvious that Jaylen is the alpha on this team.

I'm curious as to what you base the bolded on?

But I think Tatum is labelled as having a higher ceiling because he's more naturally gifted. To me, Jayson has an old man's game - the footwork, the shot - he was going to have a place in the NBA even if he didn't evolve into an All-Star. Whereas some guys come into basketball as hyper athletes but don't necessarily have a good feel for the game and have to learn it. There's nothing wrong with that, some guys like Giannis and Butler can get there. On the other hand, you see guys like Josh Jackson wash out. I don't necessarily know if it's about a higher ceiling for either guy because they both seem really committed to putting the work in, but I would say the floor for Tatum was higher than the floor for Brown.

[bopna]

Anyone else seeing flashes of D wade? Strong D, strong finishing, etc

nope..

D. Wade is a dang dirty player and became even worst after being paired with LeWhine.

Jaylen is carving himself his own legacy...Honestly can not see a similar player .

[Ogaju]

Also keep in mind that as he starts to show the skills that make for an all-NBA player, that he truly is a top 10 athlete in the NBA, and that athletic advantage makes him quite viable for plenty more improvement.

I will admit to being frustrated with how much more tightly controlled they have been with him than Tatum or even Smart, but now, that discipline is going to pay off. He got here with a no nonsense approach to offense. The ball doesn't stick. He is always attacking off of ball movement. He never competes with Tatum for touches. I expect this to reduces double teams and make things easier for Tatum, and that they both continue to produce more as the season progresses.

You want to know how athletic Brown is, please go and look at his college videos. Remember when he went for that dunk in the NBA and landed smack on his head. That must have set him back a bit. Once teams start to respect his outside shot, his dribble drive to the basket will be incredible. Good job Danny!! Now go and get some more BIGS, and no Tacko is not a BIG!!

[nickagneta]

Seeing Jaylen with 42 after three quarters made me think that on that night against that team, if Steven's played JB in the 4th, could JB have broken Bird's record?

[gouki88]

Seeing Jaylen with 42 after three quarters made me think that on that night against that team, if Steven's played JB in the 4th, could JB have broken Bird's record?

At the rate he was going at if he’d played 36 minutes (7 minutes in the 4th) he would have got to around 52. If he played 41 minutes (the whole last quarter) he would have gotten around 59.

So he would have been somewhat close, but I don’t think Brad has ever let someone play 12 minutes in a 4th quarter of a game that was decided.

[Silas]

Seeing Jaylen with 42 after three quarters made me think that on that night against that team, if Steven's played JB in the 4th, could JB have broken Bird's record?

I think Stevens did the right thing not playing JB in the 4th.  Give the guys at the end of the bench some playing time and avoid an injury to JB when the game is not on the line.

[Big333223]

Obviously the scoring is great but what I'm liking most is the passing and he's getting to the FT line at a nice clip so far. He should be an all star this year.

[nickagneta]

Seeing Jaylen with 42 after three quarters made me think that on that night against that team, if Steven's played JB in the 4th, could JB have broken Bird's record?

At the rate he was going at if he’d played 36 minutes (7 minutes in the 4th) he would have got to around 52. If he played 41 minutes (the whole last quarter) he would have gotten around 59.

So he would have been somewhat close, but I don’t think Brad has ever let someone play 12 minutes in a 4th quarter of a game that was decided.

Seeing Jaylen with 42 after three quarters made me think that on that night against that team, if Steven's played JB in the 4th, could JB have broken Bird's record?

I think Stevens did the right thing not playing JB in the 4th.  Give the guys at the end of the bench some playing time and avoid an injury to JB when the game is not on the line.

Completely agree with both of you. It was the right move to sit Brown and play youngsters. My thought was more whether it may have been possible he could have done it.

[Neurotic Guy]

Seeing Jaylen with 42 after three quarters made me think that on that night against that team, if Steven's played JB in the 4th, could JB have broken Bird's record?

At the rate he was going at if he’d played 36 minutes (7 minutes in the 4th) he would have got to around 52. If he played 41 minutes (the whole last quarter) he would have gotten around 59.

So he would have been somewhat close, but I don’t think Brad has ever let someone play 12 minutes in a 4th quarter of a game that was decided.

Seeing Jaylen with 42 after three quarters made me think that on that night against that team, if Steven's played JB in the 4th, could JB have broken Bird's record?

I think Stevens did the right thing not playing JB in the 4th.  Give the guys at the end of the bench some playing time and avoid an injury to JB when the game is not on the line.

Completely agree with both of you. It was the right move to sit Brown and play youngsters. My thought was more whether it may have been possible he could have done it.

The variable which was in play in both Mchale and Bird’s record-breaking games is that at a certain point teammates were feeding them and it became purely about scoring points - for Bird in particular it was about breaking McHale’s record just made a few days earlier.  So if the 4th was about feeding Jaylen and letting him try to score he definitely could have done it.   

I don’t know this for sure but I’m guessing that at some point in Kobe’s 80 point (or whatever it was) game and Wilt’s 100 pointer it became just feed them and watch them score.

[gouki88]

Seeing Jaylen with 42 after three quarters made me think that on that night against that team, if Steven's played JB in the 4th, could JB have broken Bird's record?

At the rate he was going at if he’d played 36 minutes (7 minutes in the 4th) he would have got to around 52. If he played 41 minutes (the whole last quarter) he would have gotten around 59.

So he would have been somewhat close, but I don’t think Brad has ever let someone play 12 minutes in a 4th quarter of a game that was decided.

Seeing Jaylen with 42 after three quarters made me think that on that night against that team, if Steven's played JB in the 4th, could JB have broken Bird's record?

I think Stevens did the right thing not playing JB in the 4th.  Give the guys at the end of the bench some playing time and avoid an injury to JB when the game is not on the line.

Completely agree with both of you. It was the right move to sit Brown and play youngsters. My thought was more whether it may have been possible he could have done it.

The variable which was in play in both Mchale and Bird’s record-breaking games is that at a certain point teammates were feeding them and it became purely about scoring points - for Bird in particular it was about breaking McHale’s record just made a few days earlier.  So if the 4th was about feeding Jaylen and letting him try to score he definitely could have done it.   

I don’t know this for sure but I’m guessing that at some point in Kobe’s 80 point (or whatever it was) game and Wilt’s 100 pointer it became just feed them and watch them score.

Just like when Devin Booker dropped 70 on us. The whole game for Phoenix became revolved around letting Book score - winning be [dang]ed

[nickagneta]

So are there still doubters that Jaylen Brown is ascending into superstardom? Or do you feel he has to do this all year long. I've been convinced since the 2018 playoffs that he would someday reach those lofty heights. It's a pleasure watching it happen right before our eyes.

And he is starting to garner the attention of the national people as well. I think we could be looking at All-NBA and All-Defense for him this year. Not first teams but still. That would be impressive.

[NKY fan]

So are there still doubters that Jaylen Brown is ascending into superstardom? Or do you feel he has to do this all year long. I've been convinced since the 2018 playoffs that he would someday reach those lofty heights. It's a pleasure watching it happen right before our eyes.

And he is starting to garner the attention of the national people as well. I think we could be looking at All-NBA and All-Defense for him this year. Not first teams but still. That would be impressive.

if these happen can we offer Brown the same extension that Giannis got? I’m just worried it might be tough to retain him ..
I mean convince him to stay

[footey]

So are there still doubters that Jaylen Brown is ascending into superstardom? Or do you feel he has to do this all year long. I've been convinced since the 2018 playoffs that he would someday reach those lofty heights. It's a pleasure watching it happen right before our eyes.

And he is starting to garner the attention of the national people as well. I think we could be looking at All-NBA and All-Defense for him this year. Not first teams but still. That would be impressive.

He's playing great, so far. 

Super star?  A super star is someone who makes first team all-NBA. any other definition is slanderous. I don't think he is there yet.  But I agree that he seems on track for 2nd or 3rd team, and, maybe, second team all defense. All defensive selections are trickier, and has a lot to do with media hype and less to do with metrics. I don't think the national media hype for JB defensively has reached that level yet.

[cman88]

Both brown and Tatum are averaging 26.9 ppg this year.

These guys are going to tear up the league for awhile