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Title: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: FLCeltsFan on February 08, 2018, 11:20:05 PM
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Indiana Pacers (30-25) at Boston Celtics (40-16)
Friday, February 9, 2018
7:30 PM ET
Regular Season Game #57, Home Game #30
TV:  NBCSB, FSInd,  NBA-LP 755(DTV)/754(xfinity)
Radio: 98.5 Sports Hub, 1070 The Fan
TD Garden

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Probable Starting Matchups
Point Guard

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Kyrie Irving vs Cory Joseph

Shooting Guard

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Jaylen Brown vs Victor Oladipo

Small Forward
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Jayson Tatum vs Bojan Bogdanovic

Power Forward
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Al Horford vs Thaddeus Young

Center
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Aron Baynes vs Miles Turner

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Celtics Reserves
Abdel Nader
Semi Ojeleye
Daniel Theis
Guerschon Yabusele
Terry Rozier
Marcus Morris
Greg Monroe

Injuries

Gordon Hayward (ankle)  out
Marcus Smart  (hand)  out
Shane Larkin (knee)  out

Two Way Players
Kadeem Allen
Jabari Bird

Head Coach
Brad Stevens

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Pacers Reserves
Al Jefferson
Ike Anigbogu
TJ Leaf
Ben Moore
Alex Poythress
Domantas Sabonis
Lance Stephenson
Joe Young

Injuries
Glenn Robinson (ankle)  out
Darren Collison (knee)  out

Two Way Players
Edmond Sumner

Head Coach
Nate McMillan

Game Notes
The Celtics host the Pacers for the 3rd of 4 regular season games.  The Celtics won the first meeting 108-98 on November 25 and they won the second meeting 112-111 on December 18.  Both games were in Indiana.  They will meet one more time on March 11 in Boston. 

The Celtics are playing in the second of back to back games.  This is the tenth of fourteen total back to back sets for the Celtics.  The Celtics are 6-3 on the second night of back to back games and they are 2-1 when the games are road/home. 

The Celtics are 6-4 in their last 10 games and are 21-8 at home.  They still hold the top spot in the East but the Raptors are right there, just 1 game behind them with both teams winning on Thursday.   The Pacers are 6-4 in their last 10 games and are 11-14 on the road.  The Pacers are holding down the 6th spot in the East.  The Celtics are looking for their second straight win while the Pacers are looking to get back in the win column after a loss in their last game. 

Since January 3, the Pacers are 11-6.  That's the most wins by any team in the league over that stretch.  The Celtics have won 5 straight games between these two teams.  The Celtics can't take this team lightly as they are a tough team that plays hard and also can shoot very well from the field and also from beyond the arc. 

For the Celtics, Marcus Smart (hand), Shane Larkin (knee) and Gordon Hayward (ankle) are all out.  The Pacers are missing Darren Collison (knee) and Glen Robinson III (ankle).

Key Matchups
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Jaylen Brown vs Victor Oladipo
Jaylen Brown's defense will be tested as he is matched up with Victor Oladipo, who has been playing at an All-Star level.  He is averaging 24.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 4.1 assists, and 1.9 steals.  He is shooting 48.7% from the field and 39% from beyond the arc.  Slowing down Oladipo will go a long way toward getting a win over the Pacers. 

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Jayson Tatum vs Bojan Bogdanovic   
Bogdanovic is averaging 13.6 points, 3.2 rebounds and 1.4 assists.  He is shooting 46.8% from the field and 38.7% from beyond the arc.  Tatum needs to stay with him both in the paint and on the perimeter. 

Honorable Mention
Celtics Bench vs Pacers Bench
In both games so far against the Pacers, their reserves came up big for them.  Domantas Sabonis came up big in both games with 19 points and 7 rebounds in one game and 17 points and 7 rebounds in the other.  Sabonis is averaging 12.5 points, 8.2 rebounds and 2.2 assists for the year.  Lance Stephenson is also playing well, averaging 9.2 points, 5.5 rebounds and 3 assists per game.  The Celtics reserves have to come up big for the Celtics on both ends of the court. 

Keys to the Game
Rebound - The Celtics must box out and crash the boards.  They can't score without the ball and it will take extra effort on their part to grab the rebounds.  T In the first game between these two teams, the Pacers out-rebounded the Celtics 36-30.  The Celtics must crash the boards as a team and beat the Pacers to the rebounds. 

Be Aggressive
-  I already mentioned that the Celtics must be aggressive on the boards, but they also must be aggressive on defense, in going after loose balls,  and just all around going all out. They have to aggressively attack the basket. They need to start the game with that aggressive attitude and be aggressive through the whole game with no let up.  They can't let the Pacers be the team that works harder.

Play Defense
-  Defense wins games.  The Pacers are the 6th best 3 point shooting team in the league, shooting 37.4% from beyond the arc and so the Celtics have to close out on their outside shooters.  They also must play better defense in the paint as they have been allowing too many easy shots in recent games.  The Pacers average 106.7 points per game while the Celtics average just 103.0 points per game.  If the Celtics want to get a win in this game, they must make playing tough defense a priority. 

Move the Ball Carefully - The Celtics need to move the ball and find the open man.    The Pacers are 5th in the league with 18.1 points per game off turnovers and so the Celtics must focus on making good passes and be aware of the Pacers ability to close out the passing lanes.  If the Celtics get careless, the Pacers will make them pay as they are also 3rd in fast break points with 15.1 per game. 

Play 48 Minutes - The Celtics seem to either get a big lead and then let their opponents come back,  or they get down big and have to claw their way back into the game.  Of course there are some games like against the Raptors where they don't play well at all and they get down and stay there.  They have to play hard for 48 minutes.  Start strong and play hard all the way to the final buzzer. 

X-Factors
Home Game - The Celtics are playing in the first of 3 straight home games.  They need to draw strength and motivation from the home crowd.  Also,  the Pacers haven't been a strong road team and so the Celtics need to come out strong and take advantage of being at home. 

Fatigue -  The Celtics are playing in the second of back to back games after traveling overnight after their game in Washington.  They aren't quite as deep as they would be without the injuries that have hit,  but they still hopefully have the depth to allow them to play hard right up until the end. 
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: csfansince60s on February 08, 2018, 11:28:53 PM
TP FLCelts!


Beat the Pacers!
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: FLCeltsFan on February 08, 2018, 11:37:03 PM
TP to csfansince60s for being the first to post in the game thread!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Celtics!!!
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: hodgy03038 on February 09, 2018, 12:09:04 AM
Go Celts! Keep it going.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 09, 2018, 12:09:50 AM
I was lost ,  but Im here now
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: nickagneta on February 09, 2018, 12:29:49 AM
A continuation of growth for Rozier, Brown and Tatum as well as more expanded minutes for Kyrie and the Moose. Gonna be a good win.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: footey on February 09, 2018, 12:32:57 AM
We got this.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: liam on February 09, 2018, 01:45:01 AM
I was lost ,  but Im here now

I made it back as well...
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Surferdad on February 09, 2018, 07:18:09 AM
Missed last night, but caught all the highlights.  Looking forward to seeing more of Moose and good contributions from the entire the 2nd unit.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 09, 2018, 07:27:22 AM
I was lost ,  but Im here now

I made it back as well...

Good !

we shall feast and drink much wine. 
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: liam on February 09, 2018, 07:32:07 PM
Good to see Tommy back!
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 07:42:02 PM
At the speed rate it took to get here, this might be difficult tonight.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: liam on February 09, 2018, 07:45:49 PM
Tatum can not buy a foul!
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 07:47:53 PM
It's insane how long it's taking for this thread to load.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 07:49:51 PM
Are we ever going to get a call at the rim? Good Lord. Both Tatum and Horford have been hammered with no call.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 07:49:51 PM
Looking forward to seeing the Theis/Monroe combo again. I thought Theis looked very comfortable on defense last night.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 07:56:05 PM
Baynes needs to play within his skills set.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 08:01:35 PM
Disgusting effort so far. Brad should be ripping into our main guys hard on the bench and playing the end of the bench guys right now. They look lethargic and like they should win just by showing up tonight.

They're about playing as well as this site is running right now, which is certainly saying something.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: nickagneta on February 09, 2018, 08:03:25 PM
Celtis shots are all short and everyone looks a step slow.

Not as slow as this site, but slow
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 08:13:09 PM
Morris has been terrible tonight, not that anyone has been even average.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 08:13:10 PM
I miss Smart.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: liam on February 09, 2018, 08:13:12 PM
Really bad.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: SCeltic34 on February 09, 2018, 08:16:48 PM
I know we're tired from the game last night, but this is just an unacceptable effort.  The Pacers are getting anything they want.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 08:18:39 PM
We're getting run out of our own gym and look about as bad as we have all year, yet Brad is over there cheesing on the sideline.

Sometimes I wish he showed a bit more emotion and held these guys more accountable within games. This is inexcusable.

And we CLEARLY miss Smart's tenacity.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 08:20:26 PM
This is sad.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: PAOBoston on February 09, 2018, 08:24:09 PM
Trying to decide what is worse the offense or defense
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Snakehead on February 09, 2018, 08:24:10 PM
This team misses Smart's defense and spirit and attitude.  And yes, even his offense because no one can pass out here even.  Rozier just is not a PG.  He can have a game or two where he looks like it, usually again a bad team.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: SCeltic34 on February 09, 2018, 08:24:10 PM
Feel free to yank Nader any time now Brad.  Defensive mistakes, turnovers, missed shots.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 08:31:42 PM
By far the worst we've looked all season long. We don't even look like we care out there, even on defense. We look like Cleveland before all of the trades.

Brad is seemingly incapable of making in-game adjustments or even motivating the guys to play tonight, and we're not doing anything but chuck jumpers out there. You'd think Brad would have some easy offensive sets for us to get to the hole.

These guys deserve the boo birds that they're getting tonight.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: nickagneta on February 09, 2018, 08:42:49 PM
Embarrassingly bad. Gotta come out with more in this 2nd half.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 08:47:58 PM
Not sure what is worse the Celtics tonight or this technical disaster this forum is. Slow and hardly works
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 08:48:55 PM
If they can't get it to 10 to start the 4th just sit the starters and get ready for Cleveland. Cavs game is worrisome.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
Not sure what is worse the Celtics tonight or this technical disaster this forum is. Slow and hardly works

It's so strange. Sometime it works fast and normal, and then other times it literally takes five full minutes to load a page or upload a comment. I don't get it.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: CelticSooner on February 09, 2018, 08:50:22 PM
Games like these are a good reminder how much they are overachieving this year. Youth = inconsistency
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 08:50:55 PM
And why exactly did Al play a measly 11 minutes in the first half? I don't understand these wonky first half minutes for our two best players the last several games.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 08:51:52 PM
3 games (2 on the road) in 4 days. A back to back off an overtime game. Pacers have been sitting around since Monday not playing.

This before a major game vs Cleveland. What a tough week Boston was dealt this week
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 09, 2018, 08:52:19 PM
By far the worst we've looked all season long. We don't even look like we care out there, even on defense. We look like Cleveland before all of the trades.

Brad is seemingly incapable of making in-game adjustments or even motivating the guys to play tonight, and we're not doing anything but chuck jumpers out there. You'd think Brad would have some easy offensive sets for us to get to the hole.

These guys deserve the boo birds that they're getting tonight.

Need oven mitts to handle that hot take.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: SCeltic34 on February 09, 2018, 08:54:49 PM
Where was this earlier?  Seems like we got our 2nd wind.  Hopefully it's not too little too late.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 08:55:19 PM
Only glimmer of hope is Cleveland is in the same boat this week. plus they will have an entirely new team Sunday

Maybe Boston comes out fired up Sunday. Tonight they look DOA
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 08:55:48 PM
Try to get this to under 10 by the 4th
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Surferdad on February 09, 2018, 08:55:50 PM
Where was this earlier?  Seems like we got our 2nd wind.  Hopefully it's not too little too late.
Al Horford is leading the way.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: SCeltic34 on February 09, 2018, 08:56:42 PM
Games like these are a good reminder how much they are overachieving this year. Youth = inconsistency

Yup.  Rolling into the season with 7 rookies was by far the biggest concern I've had.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 08:57:17 PM
Where was this earlier?  Seems like we got our 2nd wind.  Hopefully it's not too little too late.
Al Horford is leading the way.

That can't be...the experts on this board tell me his is overpaid and a G league talent
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: SCeltic34 on February 09, 2018, 08:58:30 PM
Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.nit Baynes.  You don't have to shoot every time you touch the ball.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 08:58:45 PM
Where was this earlier?  Seems like we got our 2nd wind.  Hopefully it's not too little too late.
Al Horford is leading the way.

The same Al Horford who received a whopping whole 11 minutes in the first half.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Atzar on February 09, 2018, 08:59:14 PM
Tatum needs to watch his elbows.  He gets an offensive foul once a week for putting an elbow through somebody's head. 
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 08:59:51 PM
****nit Baynes.  You don't have to shoot every time you touch the ball.

I honestly don't see why he gets any minutes. Doesn't rebound. Can't finish and kill momentum with dumb ass shots
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: SCeltic34 on February 09, 2018, 09:01:57 PM
The Garden crowd has been unbelievable tonight.  They've been in the game even when the C's were getting slaughtered in the 1st half.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Atzar on February 09, 2018, 09:03:14 PM
I have to say that I'm impressed that Oladipo's rise as a star-level offensive player hasn't caused a disinterest in defense.  He's active and has quick hands as a defender. 
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:03:28 PM
Brown!

I don't understand this team's bipolar bouts of effort and energy. There's been very few games against decent to top teams that we've put together a full game's worth of good, solid effort and energy.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Atzar on February 09, 2018, 09:04:25 PM
Great defensive play by Jaylen.  His help defense bailed us out of a horrible Baynes-Oladipo mismatch.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 09:04:33 PM
I will chalk tonight up to mental and physical fatigue. Been a tough week.

Now Sunday better fetch a better performance
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:05:11 PM
This year's Garden crowd has been the loudest that I can remember in a long time. Great energy virtually every game.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:06:13 PM
Jaylen has looked really, really good the last several games. Very aggressive and confident.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 09:07:14 PM
Jaylen has looked really, really good the last several games. Very aggressive and confident.

Hope he locks Queen James down Sunday.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 09:07:34 PM
Jaylen has looked really, really good the last several games. Very aggressive and confident.

I 100% agree.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Atzar on February 09, 2018, 09:07:59 PM
Jaylen has looked really, really good the last several games. Very aggressive and confident.

There's a lot to like about his game here lately, agree.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on February 09, 2018, 09:08:24 PM
Jaylen is a stud.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 09:08:39 PM
Jaylen has looked really, really good the last several games. Very aggressive and confident.

Hope he locks Queen James down Sunday.

Semi is a LeBron stopper.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: SCeltic34 on February 09, 2018, 09:09:44 PM
What a BS call.  Semi was standing straight up.  BS.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:09:56 PM
Absolutely terrible call.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: CoachBS#1 on February 09, 2018, 09:10:01 PM
My country flag represented in support of my Celtics!! Love it, GO CELTICS!!!!!
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 09:10:08 PM
Terrible call
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 09:11:08 PM
NBA officiating is beyond bad. Just terrible
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Rosco917 on February 09, 2018, 09:11:20 PM
I wish Kyrie would facilitate a little more. Get others going...I miss Larkin and Smart.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:13:48 PM
Okay, Rozier, enough of the Jamal Crawford iso crap. You lucked out and got the foul there, but that's a bad shot.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:15:06 PM
That's what I want to see, Semi! Good, aggressive take to the hole, along with getting us a 2 for 1 opportunity.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: esel1000 on February 09, 2018, 09:19:00 PM
Wow Rozier lol
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 09:19:00 PM
No, no, no

Yes!
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 09, 2018, 09:19:00 PM
Okay, Rozier, enough of the Jamal Crawford iso crap. You lucked out and got the foul there, but that's a bad shot.

Nice Jamal Crawford, Rozier!!!
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: SCeltic34 on February 09, 2018, 09:19:00 PM
Go figure Rozier makes that, by far the hardest shot of the night while launching bricks everywhere else.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:19:00 PM
Lol of course Rozier hits that.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: BlastFromThePast on February 09, 2018, 09:20:49 PM
Paraphrasing someone else's sig line question to Rozier:  "Did you call bank?  Rozier:  I called game
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 09:22:46 PM
Of course
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:24:41 PM
Interesting that we haven't seen Moose yet in the second half.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Chief on February 09, 2018, 09:26:31 PM
Theis was a great fa pickup.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Atzar on February 09, 2018, 09:30:09 PM
Rozier and Theis are starting to show a little bit of synergy in the pick-and-roll.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Rosco917 on February 09, 2018, 09:34:01 PM
I'm looking at the total lack of participation here and I'm guessing it's the "Connection Problems."

Too bad it's a fun game.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:34:01 PM
Ugh, Rozier is killing us. He legitimately might have the lowest BBIQ in the league. You're freaking 1-10 tonight, yet you shoot two above-the-break threes in the same possession off of an offensive rebound?!
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: nickagneta on February 09, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
Sometimes you're just better off to go to the basket on a 3 on 1 than shooting a three
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Phantom255x on February 09, 2018, 09:37:49 PM
Come on C's!!
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on February 09, 2018, 09:41:31 PM
Poor Cory Joseph.  Also, how impulsive do u think Rozier was before military academy?
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Surferdad on February 09, 2018, 09:41:31 PM
A lead...whoda thunk?
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:43:51 PM
What the hell is Rozier doing? Dude is straight up awful and killing us out there.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: PAOBoston on February 09, 2018, 09:43:51 PM
So many missed opportunities this quarter for Cs. Gonna haunt them
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: RJ87 on February 09, 2018, 09:43:51 PM
I'm looking at the total lack of participation here and I'm guessing it's the "Connection Problems."


Ditto. Haven't been able to get on all game.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:47:57 PM
Yet another game where Brad isn't running anything on the offensive end down the stretch and just letting them iso the whole time.

And why the hell Rozier was left out there with Morris taken out is beyond me. Dude has been God-awful on both sides of the ball tonight, and he was responsible for that mix-up leading to the Turner tip slam.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 09, 2018, 09:55:18 PM
Such a frustrating game.

We only show up for half of the game.

Brad's rotations and lack of in-game adjustments/play-calling are maddening yet again.

Rozier has maybe his worst game of the season going 1-11 with terrible D on Dipo, yet still played major minutes down the stretch.

And Al makes about four uncharacteristically dumb decisions leading to points down the stretch.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: ETNCeltics on February 09, 2018, 09:59:11 PM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: Green-18 on February 09, 2018, 10:12:23 PM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

I understand the frustration but calling Brad an awful offensive coach is a blanket statement that is simply inaccurate.  How do you think the Warriors would look running Brad's system???

Brad is a fine offensive coach who maximizes the talents of the players on our team.  The honest truth is that we don't have any "professional" scorers aside from Kyrie.  Tatum and Brown should eventually get there but they are still very reliant upon the structure and flow of our offense.  Marcus Morris can create his own offense but he is extremely streaky.  Horford can take advantage of mismatches but he's never been a scorer by nature. 

Who on our roster can consistently create their own offense on a nightly basis regardless of the opponent?  Who is the sharpshooter than can move without the ball and drill contested shots?

We have a lot of talent on this team but Kyrie doesn't have enough help when things break down in the offense. 

Another important factor to consider is that we don't sacrifice defense for offense like many other teams.  Currently the Warriors and Raptors are the ONLY NBA team that rank in the top 10 for both offensive and defensive ratings. 
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: mctyson on February 09, 2018, 10:23:07 PM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

small.

lineups.

suck.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: KGs Knee on February 09, 2018, 10:41:25 PM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

small.

lineups.

suck.

A lot of people oddly think the Celtics should play more small lineups and ditch the bigger lineups altogether.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 10:43:01 PM
Please beat Cleveland

Please play with energy and effort
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: kozlodoev on February 09, 2018, 10:52:58 PM
Gave this game away because we just  had to hot dog it with dumb threes in crunch time. Disappointing.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 09, 2018, 11:12:16 PM
Gave this game away because we just  had to hot dog it with dumb threes in crunch time. Disappointing.

Can’t come out in the first half and get down 26 because you are going through the motions
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: kozlodoev on February 09, 2018, 11:21:21 PM
Gave this game away because we just  had to hot dog it with dumb threes in crunch time. Disappointing.

Can’t come out in the first half and get down 26 because you are going through the motions
No, but after you've closed the gap to two, whether you were down or not is irrelevant. In a two-point game, the Celtics decided to take heat checks and bad shots, and generally ran around like headless chickens on offense. It's a miracle my TV survived when we passed over a 3-on-1 fast break to opt for two Rozier three-pointers.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: mctyson on February 09, 2018, 11:25:37 PM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

small.

lineups.

suck.

A lot of people oddly think the Celtics should play more small lineups and ditch the bigger lineups altogether.

Which is weird considering their best lineups are with Horford and Baynes.  That's why they signed Monroe and not another guard.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 09, 2018, 11:59:20 PM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

Let me get my oven mitts on again for that take.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: kozlodoev on February 10, 2018, 12:09:19 AM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

Let me get my oven mitts on again for that take.
There isn't anything particularly hot about that take. Brad S has consistently failed to exploit opponent weaknesses, failed to call timely TOs, and is generally running an offense that doesn't look particularly adept at getting a good shot when it needs one.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: hodgy03038 on February 10, 2018, 08:31:04 AM
It seems like teams have a new strategy on defending Kyrie and it seems to work. They are attacking him out high and double teaming off screens, being physical with him and he still tries to dribble like Marcus Haynes around them and often times is turned over or results in a desperation shot.

Last night the Alpha Dog Oladipo kicked our butts hitting outside shots, dunking on us, 5 steals - it was just an all star performance.

Our offense could not get going. There was no flow to it, no spacing or swinging the ball. When I see Baynes shooting 3s I should probably stop watching at that point because he is o Amir Johnson.

I'm sorry but Nader is horrible. They really need to keep him out of the rotation.

We have to stop digging the 20+ point deficits by halftime. We can't come back from them all. They play pretty poorly at home lately. What's the deal?

We HAVE to play better tomorrow - much better.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: saltlover on February 10, 2018, 09:33:35 AM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

Let me get my oven mitts on again for that take.
There isn't anything particularly hot about that take. Brad S has consistently failed to exploit opponent weaknesses, failed to call timely TOs, and is generally running an offense that doesn't look particularly adept at getting a good shot when it needs one.

Looks like we have a double oven.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: greece66 on February 10, 2018, 10:22:54 AM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

Let me get my oven mitts on again for that take.
There isn't anything particularly hot about that take. Brad S has consistently failed to exploit opponent weaknesses, failed to call timely TOs, and is generally running an offense that doesn't look particularly adept at getting a good shot when it needs one.

Looks like we have a double oven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84mq7YuBIAU
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 10, 2018, 10:59:29 AM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

Let me get my oven mitts on again for that take.

Yeah, I don’t think you know what a “hot take” is....
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: JHTruth on February 10, 2018, 11:06:44 AM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

small.

lineups.

suck.

They are terrible. The East is still a big conference. The top teams still play huge. Jonas V, Polish Hammer, Turner, Embiid. We trot 5 SFs out there and chuck threes..
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 10, 2018, 11:08:16 AM
More “Brad-pologism” after last night’s game, I see. It’s becoming so commonplace around here that it probably deserves its own Wiki entry:

“Brad-pologism - an irrational defense mechanism of Celtics fans to protect their fabled coach from any sort of criticism, regardless of those critiques’ merit. This behavior usually occurs within the subsequent 24 hours of Celtics losses that Stevens’ decision-making is called into question, specifically surrounding rotation decisions and timeout and offensive set calling.”
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: saltlover on February 10, 2018, 12:28:58 PM
More “Brad-pologism” after last night’s game, I see. It’s becoming so commonplace around here that it probably deserves its own Wiki entry:

“Brad-pologism - an irrational defense mechanism of Celtics fans to protect their fabled coach from any sort of criticism, regardless of those critiques’ merit. This behavior usually occurs within the subsequent 24 hours of Celtics losses that Stevens’ decision-making is called into question, specifically surrounding rotation decisions and timeout and offensive set calling.”

It’s comments like these that make me rarely visit game threads, and I regret peeking into this one.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: jpotter33 on February 10, 2018, 12:52:35 PM
More “Brad-pologism” after last night’s game, I see. It’s becoming so commonplace around here that it probably deserves its own Wiki entry:

“Brad-pologism - an irrational defense mechanism of Celtics fans to protect their fabled coach from any sort of criticism, regardless of those critiques’ merit. This behavior usually occurs within the subsequent 24 hours of Celtics losses that Stevens’ decision-making is called into question, specifically surrounding rotation decisions and timeout and offensive set calling.”

It’s comments like these that make me rarely visit game threads, and I regret peeking into this one.

Coming from the person who just quipped about having "a double oven" to criticize a comment that you disagreed with, I'll take that as a compliment. Typical type of hypocrisy demonstrated by many on here.  ::)

So, yeah, I agree. If you're triggered simply by a dissenting opinion, perhaps it is best for you to stay off of the game threads.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: JHTruth on February 10, 2018, 02:36:54 PM
Brad's a good coach defensively, but he's flat out an awful offensive coach. He simply can't allow Morris and Rozier to keep jacking up shots no matter how many they miss while Jaylen and Jayson stand and watch. Simply unacceptable. I'm beginning to believe he's peaked.

I understand the frustration but calling Brad an awful offensive coach is a blanket statement that is simply inaccurate.  How do you think the Warriors would look running Brad's system???

Brad is a fine offensive coach who maximizes the talents of the players on our team.  The honest truth is that we don't have any "professional" scorers aside from Kyrie.  Tatum and Brown should eventually get there but they are still very reliant upon the structure and flow of our offense.  Marcus Morris can create his own offense but he is extremely streaky.  Horford can take advantage of mismatches but he's never been a scorer by nature. 

Who on our roster can consistently create their own offense on a nightly basis regardless of the opponent?  Who is the sharpshooter than can move without the ball and drill contested shots?

We have a lot of talent on this team but Kyrie doesn't have enough help when things break down in the offense. 

Another important factor to consider is that we don't sacrifice defense for offense like many other teams.  Currently the Warriors and Raptors are the ONLY NBA team that rank in the top 10 for both offensive and defensive ratings.

This is a good point. Celtics play very hard on D but are very lazy on offense. Fewest points in the paint in the L. Never go inside or attack the basket. It's a very 3-centric offense, swing the ball and jack a 3. Might be worth sliding a little on D to get better offensively.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: footey on February 10, 2018, 02:51:24 PM
Ball movement by Indiana and Toronto much better than by the Celtics. This team is too in love with puck and role plays. Very predictable offense.
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: celticinorlando on February 10, 2018, 02:56:03 PM
Boston offense often stands around and chucks 3s. Need to play as a team
Title: Re: Pacers (30-25) at Celtics (40-16) Game #57 2/9/18
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 10, 2018, 03:22:52 PM
More “Brad-pologism” after last night’s game, I see. It’s becoming so commonplace around here that it probably deserves its own Wiki entry:

“Brad-pologism - an irrational defense mechanism of Celtics fans to protect their fabled coach from any sort of criticism, regardless of those critiques’ merit. This behavior usually occurs within the subsequent 24 hours of Celtics losses that Stevens’ decision-making is called into question, specifically surrounding rotation decisions and timeout and offensive set calling.”

It’s comments like these that make me rarely visit game threads, and I regret peeking into this one.

Coming from the person who just quipped about having "a double oven" to criticize a comment that you disagreed with, I'll take that as a compliment. Typical type of hypocrisy demonstrated by many on here.  ::)

So, yeah, I agree. If you're triggered simply by a dissenting opinion, perhaps it is best for you to stay off of the game threads.

It's a hot take. That's all it is. There are plenty of other possible explanations for their performance last night.

Brad takes some blame, but your hot take is a gross exaggeration. They were on the second night of a back-to-back. Their offense is simplistic, but that's so that the young guys can learn to make the right reads.

Last year, the Celtics were a top 5 offensive team by most metrics. Our defense was awful. This year, it's flipped. The offense definitely needs work, but that's what the regular season is. Saying Stevens is not a good offensive coach because we shot almost 30% from the field in the first half doesn't really capture the causation behind the problems.

And the Pacers are good team -- let's not discredit them.

I think CBS is a top 3 coach in the NBA. Does that mean he is perfect? No. Does he carry some fault for a poor team performance? Yes. Should you make generalizations about a player or coach based on the second half of a back-to-back in February? No.