2013 CB Draft: Western Semi Finals: Oklahoma City(2) vs Dallas(3)

[fitzhickey]

I wouldn't put Gordon on Rose because I think Shumpert would torch Nash. You might be able to get me to buy Nash on Buddinger.

I'm not sure that Shumpert can really torch anybody. 

Shumpert is primarily a perimeter player.  He only shot 39.5% on inside shots last year, which might be the lowest percentage of any player I've ever seen.

Words can't express how horrific that number is.  Heck, the guy only converted 40% of his dunk attempts!! 

Nash is fine defending Shumpert on the perimeter, and he doesn't have to worry at all about penetration.

Shumpert on jump shots last season: 52.5% eFG.

Is Steve Nash really going to contest jumpers out to the three point line?

yes. he will put pressure on him, enabling chump to drive and flail about with those dunk attempts of his.

[Lucky17]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

[Roy H.]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

I think that says more about the Bulls overall defense than it does Gibson.  Smith has started 13 of those games, Gibson only 3.  They weren't matched up against each other.

[fitzhickey]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

if Gibson is that effective on smith I will just defer to Deng
he is being guarded by budinger. that speaks for itself

and thibs defenses usually bother some players I have noticed

[Lucky17]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

I think that says more about the Bulls overall defense than it does Gibson.  Smith has started 13 of those games, Gibson only 3.  They weren't matched up against each other.

The minutes totals suggest that they were matched up against each other quite often.

In this case, I'm substituting Dwight Howard for Joakim Noah. That's an even stronger defensive pairing in the frontcourt than the Bulls'.

[Lucky17]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

if Gibson is that effective on smith I will just defer to Deng
he is being guarded by budinger. that speaks for itself

and thibs defenses usually bother some players I have noticed

How, exactly? Will Deng try to put the ball on the floor, or will he try to shoot over Budinger?

[nickagneta]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

I think those stats show a fairly significant advantage for Josh Smith myself.

15.8 PPG vs 10.1 PPG
8.7 RPG vs 7.2 RPG
3.5 APG vs 1.2 APG
1.4 SPG vs 0.5 SPG
2.1 BPG vs 1.5 BPG
Smith getting to the line 4 times a game vs 1 for Gibson.

Gibson only outscore Smith once, 10 points to 8 on a horrific shooting night from Smith, things he tends to have every once in a while against everyone because he falls in love with the outside shot.

In their playoff matchups the difference becomes even greater in Smiths favor, so say the stats on that page you provided.

[fitzhickey]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

if Gibson is that effective on smith I will just defer to Deng
he is being guarded by budinger. that speaks for itself

and thibs defenses usually bother some players I have noticed

How, exactly? Will Deng try to put the ball on the floor, or will he try to shoot over Budinger?

either or. I have absolute faith that Deng can get past Budinger or shoot over him. if Howard is roaming around I would go over, with a height advantage to Deng. if Howard is drawn away then I will drive on you.

actually even if Howard is there Deng will drive and kick it to Al for the mid range jumper

[fitzhickey]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

in their playoff matchups smith gets 21 more mins approx and absolutely dominates him.

[Lucky17]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

I think those stats show a fairly significant advantage for Josh Smith myself.

15.8 PPG vs 10.1 PPG
8.7 RPG vs 7.2 RPG
3.5 APG vs 1.2 APG
1.4 SPG vs 0.5 SPG
2.1 BPG vs 1.5 BPG
Smith getting to the line 4 times a game vs 1 for Gibson.

Gibson only outscore Smith once, 10 points to 8 on a horrific shooting night from Smith, things he tends to have every once in a while against everyone because he falls in love with the outside shot.

In their playoff matchups the difference becomes even greater in Smiths favor, so say the stats on that page you provided.

Except Dallas' reliance on Smith's offensive production is so much greater than OKC's on Gibson.

If you told me that the net difference is 5-6 points a night in Dallas' favor, I'd take it. Especially when Smith is shooting below 40% from the field to get those points.

[fitzhickey]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

I think those stats show a fairly significant advantage for Josh Smith myself.

15.8 PPG vs 10.1 PPG
8.7 RPG vs 7.2 RPG
3.5 APG vs 1.2 APG
1.4 SPG vs 0.5 SPG
2.1 BPG vs 1.5 BPG
Smith getting to the line 4 times a game vs 1 for Gibson.

Gibson only outscore Smith once, 10 points to 8 on a horrific shooting night from Smith, things he tends to have every once in a while against everyone because he falls in love with the outside shot.

In their playoff matchups the difference becomes even greater in Smiths favor, so say the stats on that page you provided.

Except Dallas' reliance on Smith's offensive production is so much greater than OKC's on Gibson.

If you told me that the net difference is 5-6 points a night in Dallas' favor, I'd take it. Especially when Smith is shooting below 40% from the field to get those points.

he's third option at best
your third option is one of these three offensive dynamos:
shumpert, gibson or budinger

[Lucky17]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

in their playoff matchups smith gets 21 more mins approx and absolutely dominates him.

So what happens when I up Gibson's minutes to closer to 25 or 30 a night?

From the look of things, Gibson outrebounds and matches Smith's scoring.

[Lucky17]

I still don't understand how Dallas' half-court offense even works if Steve Nash is being hounded by Derrick Rose or Iman Shumpert.

[nickagneta]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

I think those stats show a fairly significant advantage for Josh Smith myself.

15.8 PPG vs 10.1 PPG
8.7 RPG vs 7.2 RPG
3.5 APG vs 1.2 APG
1.4 SPG vs 0.5 SPG
2.1 BPG vs 1.5 BPG
Smith getting to the line 4 times a game vs 1 for Gibson.

Gibson only outscore Smith once, 10 points to 8 on a horrific shooting night from Smith, things he tends to have every once in a while against everyone because he falls in love with the outside shot.

In their playoff matchups the difference becomes even greater in Smiths favor, so say the stats on that page you provided.

Except Dallas' reliance on Smith's offensive production is so much greater than OKC's on Gibson.

If you told me that the net difference is 5-6 points a night in Dallas' favor, I'd take it. Especially when Smith is shooting below 40% from the field to get those points.

Yeah but those stats say come the playoffs the difference is 8 PPG, 5 RPG, 3 APG, and over 1 SPG and 1.5 BPG. This is the playoffs.

[Who]

Also, I like Taj Gibson on Josh Smith. Historically, Smith has scored over 20 points against Gibson's Bulls once, in 13 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=smithjo03&p2=gibsota01

In three of those meetings, the woeful Gibson has outscored or matched Josh Smith's point totals.

if Gibson is that effective on smith I will just defer to Deng
he is being guarded by budinger. that speaks for itself

and thibs defenses usually bother some players I have noticed

How, exactly? Will Deng try to put the ball on the floor, or will he try to shoot over Budinger?

I think Deng is too physical and big for Budinger. I think Deng can get a lot of joy coming off screens (for midrange shots, or quick 1-2 dribble drives, or cuts and finishes) and down in the post. Budinger just doesn't have the size to push Deng out of prime real estate. Deng will able to get catches in high percentage areas of the court.

It'll be the same whenever Deng gets a step on Budinger, tough for Budinger to get back in the play ... Deng too big and strong. Along with Deng's usual transition scoring + spot up shooting.