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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CF033 on August 09, 2018, 02:38:55 PM
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As we saw in the playoffs Brad Stevens utilized Baynes from behind the three point line quite a bit and Baynes had some success from back there. I was at Philadelphia game 1 and Baynes spent just about all of half time practicing 3 pointers.
Now, I realize we have Kyrie and Hayward coming back so it's less important for him to shoot the 3 but I could see him sneaking into the corners for a 3 point attempt here and there.
So what do you think? Was Baynes' 3 point outburst just limited to the playoffs last year?
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As we saw in the playoffs Brad Stevens utilized Baynes from behind the three point line quite a bit and Baynes had some success from back there. I was at Philadelphia game 1 and Baynes spent just about all of half time practicing 3 pointers.
Now, I realize we have Kyrie and Hayward coming back so it's less important for him to shoot the 3 but I could see him sneaking into the corners for a 3 point attempt here and there.
So what do you think? Was Baynes' 3 point outburst just limited to the playoffs last year?
It's like the hurry-up offense the Pats deploy. Use only in emergencies.
Every team needs its secret weapon!
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Absolutely. If Stevens could have a team full of shooters from 1-15 he would absolutely do so. His offense depends on flow and shooters. He won't shoot 4 a game but 1 or 2 to pull defenders out of the paint opens up driving opportunities for everyone else. If anyone the C's have on the floor, including Ojeleye and anyone else can hit open shots it will make the C's O look just like GSW. You can't leave anyone open or cheat off of your man to help on a drive to the hoop. It's a nightmare to defend because pick your poison. Let your guy drain an open 3 or let Kyrie and company drive to the hoop for a layup. If you have 5 shooters your offense is unstoppable.
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Sure, but only in bail out, end of the shotclock type of situations. And only from the corner. 8)
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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Baynes went to 3-21 from 3 during the season, or 14.3%. In the playoffs he was a completely unsustainable 47.8%. I think we need a much larger sample size to say Baynes should really be shooting 3's.
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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Baynes went to 3-21 from 3 during the season, or 14.3%. In the playoffs he was a completely unsustainable 47.8%. I think we need a much larger sample size to say Baynes should really be shooting 3's.
Regardless of percentages, it is the way our offense runs. Just look at Smart. Even Sullinger was launching them when he was here. It's Stevens system.
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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Baynes went to 3-21 from 3 during the season, or 14.3%. In the playoffs he was a completely unsustainable 47.8%. I think we need a much larger sample size to say Baynes should really be shooting 3's.
Regardless of percentages, it is the way our offense runs. Just look at Smart. Even Sullinger was launching them when he was here. It's Stevens system.
Well, maybe the "system" needs tweaks if guys like Smart have a green light on 3s
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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Baynes went to 3-21 from 3 during the season, or 14.3%. In the playoffs he was a completely unsustainable 47.8%. I think we need a much larger sample size to say Baynes should really be shooting 3's.
Really hard to say - but a decent number of centers have gone from never shooting the three to shooting them fairly regularly and fairly effectively. You could look at Dedmon or Marc Gasol, for that matter, Al Horford.
*If* Baynes can do that, he adds significantly to his value - he could spend a lot of time spotting up at the corner and force Joel Embiid or other centers to guard him out there. He wouldn't have to take many of them if other teams know he's got a fairly quick release (he did in the playoffs) and if you leave him wide open he might hit, say high thirties to 40%. They'd have to guard him, opening the lanes for the other guys. If Baynes can hit them at a half-decent clip, his offensive efficiency (which is currently dreadful) would also go up.
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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Baynes went to 3-21 from 3 during the season, or 14.3%. In the playoffs he was a completely unsustainable 47.8%. I think we need a much larger sample size to say Baynes should really be shooting 3's.
Really hard to say - but a decent number of centers have gone from never shooting the three to shooting them fairly regularly and fairly effectively. You could look at Dedmon or Marc Gasol, for that matter, Al Horford.
*If* Baynes can do that, he adds significantly to his value - he could spend a lot of time spotting up at the corner and force Joel Embiid or other centers to guard him out there. He wouldn't have to take many of them if other teams know he's got a fairly quick release (he did in the playoffs) and if you leave him wide open he might hit, say high thirties to 40%. If he can hit them at a half-decent clip, his offensive efficiency (which is currently dreadful) would also go up.
No question. It would allow us to be basically not be playing 4 on 5 on O when he's in the game and complement his stingy D.
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If he's open why wouldn't he.
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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Baynes went to 3-21 from 3 during the season, or 14.3%. In the playoffs he was a completely unsustainable 47.8%. I think we need a much larger sample size to say Baynes should really be shooting 3's.
This. I think Baynes made some lucky ones in the playoffs. He doesn’t look like a 3 point shooter to me. If he happens to be wide open, fine. But it’s not a shot I’d want him taking several times per game.
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Believe in the all 40% 3 point shooting lineup baby ;D
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See the 3
Be the 3
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He'll shoot more 3's this year than every other year in his career combined.
Which isn't saying much.
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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Baynes went to 3-21 from 3 during the season, or 14.3%. In the playoffs he was a completely unsustainable 47.8%. I think we need a much larger sample size to say Baynes should really be shooting 3's.
I agree- realistically he's probably somewhere in between. Considering the 3 wasn't really part of his game during the regular season I imagine those 21 shots weren't all quality looks. I have to imagine at least a few were buzzer beater type chucks.
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Believe in the all 40% 3 point shooting lineup baby ;D
I would bet on our starting crew (Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Horford) going to be in the vicinity of 40% (probably a little over) from the three as a unit. They will rival the GSW from behind the arc IMO.
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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Baynes went to 3-21 from 3 during the season, or 14.3%. In the playoffs he was a completely unsustainable 47.8%. I think we need a much larger sample size to say Baynes should really be shooting 3's.
I agree- realistically he's probably somewhere in between. Considering the 3 wasn't really part of his game during the regular season I imagine those 21 shots weren't all quality looks. I have to imagine at least a few were buzzer beater type chucks.
Pretty safe bet to assume he’s somewhere between a 14% and 48% 3pt shooter.
As long as he mostly takes wide open corner threes, he will be pretty successful. It’s not like he’s looking to take ‘em off the dribble at the top of the key.
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If he is wide open and feels like trolling the other teams defense he will make it rain from down town
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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correct. theis was working hard on his three game and still is. baynes will follow suit. if they can hit them with any type of consistency compared to Al based on similar attempts we will be very hard to defend this year
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with one sec remaining in OT
Baynes. for THREE ! ;D
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I mean if Stevens has accepted 4 threes a game from Smart his whole career, then I don’t see why 1 or 2 three point attempts from Baynes would rock the boat.
Hopefully Baynes can have a Horford-esque affinity for 3-point shooting once he gets his reps up. At least being serviceable from the corner would be amazing.
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I mean if Stevens has accepted 4 threes a game from Smart his whole career, then I don’t see why 1 or 2 three point attempts from Baynes would rock the boat.
Hopefully Baynes can have a Horford-esque affinity for 3-point shooting once he gets his reps up. At least being serviceable from the corner would be amazing.
I agree. There's always a place for a bailout shot when the offense breaks down and up against the shot clock. In fact, this is one reason the C's will be so good: Just about everybody in the rotation can make a shot. Philly can't claim this (looking at you, Ben Simmons).
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I sure as hell hope not, lol ;D, as he'd be much better served to hone his post game, imo.
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I sure as hell hope not, lol ;D, as he'd be much better served to hone his post game, imo.
that would be a welcome addition as well but beggars cannot be choosers! ;0
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Ummm… No thanks. I'm good with him rebounding, boxing people out, setting screens, and playing D.
He's the anti-Olynyk.
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I sure as hell hope not, lol ;D, as he'd be much better served to hone his post game, imo.
that would be a welcome addition as well but beggars cannot be choosers! ;0
Can we trade in his man bun ::) for a reliable jump hook? ;D #NoManBunCrew ;D
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I fully expect Theiss and Baynes to shoot the three, and of course Horford. A big man who can defend and hit an open three is critical to our system
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correct. theis was working hard on his three game and still is. baynes will follow suit. if they can hit them with any type of consistency compared to Al based on similar attempts we will be very hard to defend this year
theis was known as a good 3 point shooter before he came to the celtics. his career 3 point percentage there was 37.1% and in his final season he shot 41%.
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he is gonna shoot
anybody can do that
question is will he make any.
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One year the Knicks shot very well from the three.
That year they would end every practice with a three point shooting contest.
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Ummm… No thanks. I'm good with him rebounding, boxing people out, setting screens, and playing D.
He's the anti-Olynyk.
Did you not watch the series against the Sixers? We're not asking him to shoot 3 attempts every game. Just having him shoot the corner three at a decent clip once in a while helps our spacing very well, also really good against certain matchups.
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Ummm… No thanks. I'm good with him rebounding, boxing people out, setting screens, and playing D.
He's the anti-Olynyk.
Did you not watch the series against the Sixers? We're not asking him to shoot 3 attempts every game. Just having him shoot the corner three at a decent clip once in a while helps our spacing very well, also really good against certain matchups.
Not sure Baynes is getting the recognition he deserves, we don't win that series without his 3s and D. He was the MVP in that series with Tatum a strong 2nd because of what he did when CBS switched him onto TJ and when he took advantage of when we forced TJ to guard Tatum in g5. I guess CBS is in the running too, he made subtle changes that were so crucial.
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Ummm… No thanks. I'm good with him rebounding, boxing people out, setting screens, and playing D.
He's the anti-Olynyk.
Did you not watch the series against the Sixers? We're not asking him to shoot 3 attempts every game. Just having him shoot the corner three at a decent clip once in a while helps our spacing very well, also really good against certain matchups.
Not sure Baynes is getting the recognition he deserves, we don't win that series without his 3s and D. He was the MVP in that series with Tatum a strong 2nd because of what he did when CBS switched him onto TJ and when he took advantage of when we forced TJ to guard Tatum in g5. I guess CBS is in the running too, he made subtle changes that were so crucial.
Yeah, Baynes was absolutely awesome in that series. His 8/7 while making more 3's than JT and Al, and shooting more efficiently from three than both those guys, Mook, Smart and Rozier was crucial. Not to mention him averaging an offensive rebound ever 11.8 minutes played
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Ummm… No thanks. I'm good with him rebounding, boxing people out, setting screens, and playing D.
He's the anti-Olynyk.
Did you not watch the series against the Sixers? We're not asking him to shoot 3 attempts every game. Just having him shoot the corner three at a decent clip once in a while helps our spacing very well, also really good against certain matchups.
Not sure Baynes is getting the recognition he deserves, we don't win that series without his 3s and D. He was the MVP in that series with Tatum a strong 2nd because of what he did when CBS switched him onto TJ and when he took advantage of when we forced TJ to guard Tatum in g5. I guess CBS is in the running too, he made subtle changes that were so crucial.
Yeah, Baynes was absolutely awesome in that series. His 8/7 while making more 3's than JT and Al, and shooting more efficiently from three than both those guys, Mook, Smart and Rozier was crucial. Not to mention him averaging an offensive rebound ever 11.8 minutes played
In the series against Philly the C's were outscored by 40 points with Baynes on the floor, the C's were +55 points when Baynes was off the floor.
114 of Baynes 118 minutes in the series was with Embiid on the floor. The C's were outscored by by a whopping 46 points in those minutes. The series was won in the minutes Embiid was off the floor and when Horford was guarding him when he was on the floor.
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Thanks for the numbers. One question for you. Do you also have the stats for how Embiid did when Baynes was NOT on the floor?
Thanks.
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I expect Bayne to shoot 3s a bit this year, but I don't expect him to beat Amir Johnson's career high in 3PA (66 in 2013-14 and 2016-17)
Honestly, I'd be surprised if he even shoots 50
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I sure as hell hope not, lol ;D, as he'd be much better served to hone his post game, imo.
Unless he became basically elite in the post, why would we ever go to him in the post rather than doing anything else offensively? Adding a mediocre (or even "pretty good") post game wouldn't really add anything. In what situations do you go with him in the post instead of running our normal offense, or a pick-and-roll/pop, or Kyrie/Tatum/Hayward/Brown iso, etc.?
Spending his off season adding a post game would be a waste of time, while working on shooting would at least help spread the floor
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I sure as hell hope not, lol ;D, as he'd be much better served to hone his post game, imo.
Unless he became basically elite in the post, why would we ever go to him in the post rather than doing anything else offensively? Adding a mediocre (or even "pretty good") post game wouldn't really add anything. In what situations do you go with him in the post instead of running our normal offense, or a pick-and-roll/pop, or Kyrie/Tatum/Hayward/Brown iso, etc.?
Spending his off season adding a post game would be a waste of time, while working on shooting would at least help spread the floor
Yeah, no point for him working on his post game. He already has that awfully ugly left hook that mysteriously goes in
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Thanks for the numbers. One question for you. Do you also have the stats for how Embiid did when Baynes was NOT on the floor?
Thanks.
Embiid played 73 minutes when Baynes was not on the floor in the series. In those minutes the C's outscored Philly by 29 points with an offensive rating of 107.5 and a defensive rating of 92.8. In the 58 minutes when Embiid was not on the floor the C's were +32 points with an Off. Rat. of 123.9 and a Def. Rat. of 95.8.
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I sure as hell hope not, lol ;D, as he'd be much better served to hone his post game, imo.
Unless he became basically elite in the post, why would we ever go to him in the post rather than doing anything else offensively? Adding a mediocre (or even "pretty good") post game wouldn't really add anything. In what situations do you go with him in the post instead of running our normal offense, or a pick-and-roll/pop, or Kyrie/Tatum/Hayward/Brown iso, etc.?
Spending his off season adding a post game would be a waste of time, while working on shooting would at least help spread the floor
Yeah, no point for him working on his post game. He already has that awfully ugly left hook that mysteriously goes in
I love that ugly little hook shot!
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Expecting 100+ attempts :P