Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Ogaju]

So, reading the SI article again, Paul didn’t technically say that AD absolutely would not resign in Boston. Rather, what he said is essentially the same thing he said about every other team - that there will be no extension and AD will go into free agency in 2020. Read it again:

“They can trade for him, but it’ll be for one year,” Paul says. “I mean: If the Celtics traded for Anthony Davis, we would go there and we would abide by our contractual [obligations] and we would go into free agency in 2020. I’ve stated that to them. But in the event that he decides to walk away and you give away assets? Don’t blame Rich Paul.”   

That second bolded clause is clearly a conditional, not a statement of fact. He’s saying that IF (NOT WHEN) AD LEAVES IN FREE AGENCY, it wouldn’t be his fault for Ainge wasting assets, as he warned them that AD’s preferences are LA or NY. That is much different than what is being reported.

And when combined with the first clause and the “one year” comment, I think that refers to him saying merely that AD is not signing any extensions (with any team), rather than a categorical statement that he will not resign in Boston. It’s just a statement of fact that AD will test free agency, which he’ll do with every team as he’s not signing an extension.

Thus, the more I read this and the more I look at all the other reports, it looks more and more like much of this narrative about AD not resigning in Boston at all is being misinterpreted to fit a more juicy media narrative. Clearly AD and Klutch have preferences for a bigger market and LAL in particular (for obvious reasons given who Rich Paul is), but there really is no base for these claims and reports that AD’s camp is suggesting he will categorically not resign in Boston.

And that’s all beside the fact that even if this was the case that his camp was putting this message out there it’s very likely an empty threat as recent history demonstrates, and teams can definitely win over players by winning and having them in a good and stable environment.

I disagree. Rich Paul is basically saying Davis will not re-sign in Boston. It does not mean he will not as things do change. But the message is agent is sending right now is that he will not re-sign in Boston.

[CelticsElite]

So, reading the SI article again, Paul didn’t technically say that AD absolutely would not resign in Boston. Rather, what he said is essentially the same thing he said about every other team - that there will be no extension and AD will go into free agency in 2020. Read it again:

“They can trade for him, but it’ll be for one year,” Paul says. “I mean: If the Celtics traded for Anthony Davis, we would go there and we would abide by our contractual [obligations] and we would go into free agency in 2020. I’ve stated that to them. But in the event that he decides to walk away and you give away assets? Don’t blame Rich Paul.”   

That second bolded clause is clearly a conditional, not a statement of fact. He’s saying that IF (NOT WHEN) AD LEAVES IN FREE AGENCY, it wouldn’t be his fault for Ainge wasting assets, as he warned them that AD’s preferences are LA or NY. That is much different than what is being reported.

And when combined with the first clause and the “one year” comment, I think that refers to him saying merely that AD is not signing any extensions (with any team), rather than a categorical statement that he will not resign in Boston. It’s just a statement of fact that AD will test free agency, which he’ll do with every team as he’s not signing an extension.

Thus, the more I read this and the more I look at all the other reports, it looks more and more like much of this narrative about AD not resigning in Boston at all is being misinterpreted to fit a more juicy media narrative. Clearly AD and Klutch have preferences for a bigger market and LAL in particular (for obvious reasons given who Rich Paul is), but there really is no base for these claims and reports that AD’s camp is suggesting he will categorically not resign in Boston.

And that’s all beside the fact that even if this was the case that his camp was putting this message out there it’s very likely an empty threat as recent history demonstrates, and teams can definitely win over players by winning and having them in a good and stable environment.

I disagree. Rich Paul is basically saying Davis will not re-sign in Boston. It does not mean he will not as things do change. But the message is agent is sending right now is that he will not re-sign in Boston.

1 year of playing with the bff kyrie and getting to the finals (likely) will change that mans mind. Then when you show him the money, it'll be like paul george in OKC. he will forget about LA

[CelticsElite]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/2019-20-nba-championship-odds-warriors-bucks-celtics-rockets

2020 NBA Championship Odds: Lakers Move To 2nd-Favorite Amid Free Agency Rumors

[gouki88]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/2019-20-nba-championship-odds-warriors-bucks-celtics-rockets

2020 NBA Championship Odds: Lakers Move To 2nd-Favorite Amid Free Agency Rumors

Weren't they one of the favourites after they signed LeBron last season?

[CelticsElite]

Interesting update:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PWk9Aa2KkpAWsFMh6mpS2?si=nVjQLIkDTKm-EymIqRQKJg

On the most recent episode of “The Lowe Post,” Zach Lowe of ESPN said that Boston’s stance of trading for Davis hasn’t changed despite Rich Davis’ agent, Rich Paul of Klutch Sports, saying that he won’t re-sign if they do:

“Everything I’ve heard, and this is really interesting, is that Boston is not afraid. Boston is not afraid of Rich Paul coming out again in Sports Illustrated and saying ‘they can trade for him, it’s just going to be for a year.’ They’re not afraid. And I don’t see a way that Boston can get him without trading (Jayson) Tatum. Now, whether you have to include Tatum and the Memphis, which is their only golden chip left -- and by the way, the last golden chip they had was the Kings pick, and it didn’t turn out to be all that golden because the Kings got pretty good. So you never know.”

Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN was on SportsCenter on Wednesday, he said he didn’t know if Boston was planning on offering Tatum in a package for Davis. Meanwhile, he’s reported that the Lakers are building a package centered around Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram and the No. 4 pick.

As it stands, we don’t know how the Lakers’ package stacks up against Boston’s because they don’t have one yet. Sure, Tatum might theoretically be the best prospect the Pelicans can get back in a trade, but there’s no guarantee the Celtics offer that, especially when all signs point to Kyrie Irving skipping town.

[Silky]

What about:

Smart, Yabuselle and Williams to Houston

Capella, Brown, #20 and Memphis pick to New Orleans

Davis to Boston.

Houston adds an all defensive wing to offset Hardens lack of defense, use MLE to get themselves a new center, and have Williams as depth. I would have to imagine after some of the showings Smart has put on against houston they would like him alot. If they move Paul, Smart is a great starter to offset Hardens offense with defense.

NOP gets a good young, locked up center and a very solid ptential star 2 way player in the backcourt in Brown. and the 20th this year and the pearl that is the Memphis pick.

Boston gets Davis.
Pretty sure Irving resigns as he wanted Hayward to play in Cleveland with him, Davis is one of his best friends and so is Tatum. And who doesnt like AL.

Irving/Wannamaker
Hayward/Gibson
Tatum/Semi
Horford/Theis
Davis/Baynes

Would have some work to do with MLE, LLE and 2 draft picks to fill out the roster.

[JBcat]

Interesting update:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PWk9Aa2KkpAWsFMh6mpS2?si=nVjQLIkDTKm-EymIqRQKJg

On the most recent episode of “The Lowe Post,” Zach Lowe of ESPN said that Boston’s stance of trading for Davis hasn’t changed despite Rich Davis’ agent, Rich Paul of Klutch Sports, saying that he won’t re-sign if they do:

“Everything I’ve heard, and this is really interesting, is that Boston is not afraid. Boston is not afraid of Rich Paul coming out again in Sports Illustrated and saying ‘they can trade for him, it’s just going to be for a year.’ They’re not afraid. And I don’t see a way that Boston can get him without trading (Jayson) Tatum. Now, whether you have to include Tatum and the Memphis, which is their only golden chip left -- and by the way, the last golden chip they had was the Kings pick, and it didn’t turn out to be all that golden because the Kings got pretty good. So you never know.”

Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN was on SportsCenter on Wednesday, he said he didn’t know if Boston was planning on offering Tatum in a package for Davis. Meanwhile, he’s reported that the Lakers are building a package centered around Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram and the No. 4 pick.

As it stands, we don’t know how the Lakers’ package stacks up against Boston’s because they don’t have one yet. Sure, Tatum might theoretically be the best prospect the Pelicans can get back in a trade, but there’s no guarantee the Celtics offer that, especially when all signs point to Kyrie Irving skipping town.

I read that Brandon Ingram has been cleared to play for next year.  Has anyone else seen that?  If true that changes things a little bit.  It can be a career ending thing just look at Chris Bosh.

[gouki88]

Interesting update:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PWk9Aa2KkpAWsFMh6mpS2?si=nVjQLIkDTKm-EymIqRQKJg

On the most recent episode of “The Lowe Post,” Zach Lowe of ESPN said that Boston’s stance of trading for Davis hasn’t changed despite Rich Davis’ agent, Rich Paul of Klutch Sports, saying that he won’t re-sign if they do:

“Everything I’ve heard, and this is really interesting, is that Boston is not afraid. Boston is not afraid of Rich Paul coming out again in Sports Illustrated and saying ‘they can trade for him, it’s just going to be for a year.’ They’re not afraid. And I don’t see a way that Boston can get him without trading (Jayson) Tatum. Now, whether you have to include Tatum and the Memphis, which is their only golden chip left -- and by the way, the last golden chip they had was the Kings pick, and it didn’t turn out to be all that golden because the Kings got pretty good. So you never know.”

Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN was on SportsCenter on Wednesday, he said he didn’t know if Boston was planning on offering Tatum in a package for Davis. Meanwhile, he’s reported that the Lakers are building a package centered around Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram and the No. 4 pick.

As it stands, we don’t know how the Lakers’ package stacks up against Boston’s because they don’t have one yet. Sure, Tatum might theoretically be the best prospect the Pelicans can get back in a trade, but there’s no guarantee the Celtics offer that, especially when all signs point to Kyrie Irving skipping town.

I read that Brandon Ingram has been cleared to play for next year.  Has anyone else seen that?  If true that changes things a little bit.  It can be a career ending thing just look at Chris Bosh.

I feel that even while being cleared to play next season his value has taken a big hit. 2 seasons in a row where he hasn't been able to crack 60 games (although his durability is still much more impressive than Lonzo's, who is made of glass) and he has these clots dangling over him. Not good for his value.

I hope he can come back and play for years without issue, but you don't want to mess around with that

[RodyTur10]

What about:

Smart, Yabuselle and Williams to Houston

Capella, Brown, #20 and Memphis pick to New Orleans

Davis to Boston.

Houston adds an all defensive wing to offset Hardens lack of defense, use MLE to get themselves a new center, and have Williams as depth. I would have to imagine after some of the showings Smart has put on against houston they would like him alot. If they move Paul, Smart is a great starter to offset Hardens offense with defense.

NOP gets a good young, locked up center and a very solid ptential star 2 way player in the backcourt in Brown. and the 20th this year and the pearl that is the Memphis pick.

Boston gets Davis.
Pretty sure Irving resigns as he wanted Hayward to play in Cleveland with him, Davis is one of his best friends and so is Tatum. And who doesnt like AL.

Irving/Wannamaker
Hayward/Gibson
Tatum/Semi
Horford/Theis
Davis/Baynes

Would have some work to do with MLE, LLE and 2 draft picks to fill out the roster.

I don't think you want to start Irving/Hayward/Tatum/Horford/Davis, then you have the same problem as this year that there are not enough shots to satisfy everybody. Irving or Hayward should be the 6th man and then start Wanamaker or Ojeleye.

[IDreamCeltics]

Dear lord... This is such a situation where Ainge is about to double down on sunk costs.

My only hope is that his luck holds and that the Lakers outbid us. 

[ETNCeltics]

What about:

Smart, Yabuselle and Williams to Houston

Capella, Brown, #20 and Memphis pick to New Orleans

Davis to Boston.

Houston adds an all defensive wing to offset Hardens lack of defense, use MLE to get themselves a new center, and have Williams as depth. I would have to imagine after some of the showings Smart has put on against houston they would like him alot. If they move Paul, Smart is a great starter to offset Hardens offense with defense.

NOP gets a good young, locked up center and a very solid ptential star 2 way player in the backcourt in Brown. and the 20th this year and the pearl that is the Memphis pick.

Boston gets Davis.
Pretty sure Irving resigns as he wanted Hayward to play in Cleveland with him, Davis is one of his best friends and so is Tatum. And who doesnt like AL.

Irving/Wannamaker
Hayward/Gibson
Tatum/Semi
Horford/Theis
Davis/Baynes

Would have some work to do with MLE, LLE and 2 draft picks to fill out the roster.

I don't think you want to start Irving/Hayward/Tatum/Horford/Davis, then you have the same problem as this year that there are not enough shots to satisfy everybody. Irving or Hayward should be the 6th man and then start Wanamaker or Ojeleye.

lol starting one of those guys over Irving or a healthy Hayward.

[RMO]

Interesting update:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PWk9Aa2KkpAWsFMh6mpS2?si=nVjQLIkDTKm-EymIqRQKJg

On the most recent episode of “The Lowe Post,” Zach Lowe of ESPN said that Boston’s stance of trading for Davis hasn’t changed despite Rich Davis’ agent, Rich Paul of Klutch Sports, saying that he won’t re-sign if they do:

“Everything I’ve heard, and this is really interesting, is that Boston is not afraid. Boston is not afraid of Rich Paul coming out again in Sports Illustrated and saying ‘they can trade for him, it’s just going to be for a year.’ They’re not afraid. And I don’t see a way that Boston can get him without trading (Jayson) Tatum. Now, whether you have to include Tatum and the Memphis, which is their only golden chip left -- and by the way, the last golden chip they had was the Kings pick, and it didn’t turn out to be all that golden because the Kings got pretty good. So you never know.”

Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN was on SportsCenter on Wednesday, he said he didn’t know if Boston was planning on offering Tatum in a package for Davis. Meanwhile, he’s reported that the Lakers are building a package centered around Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram and the No. 4 pick.

As it stands, we don’t know how the Lakers’ package stacks up against Boston’s because they don’t have one yet. Sure, Tatum might theoretically be the best prospect the Pelicans can get back in a trade, but there’s no guarantee the Celtics offer that, especially when all signs point to Kyrie Irving skipping town.

I read that Brandon Ingram has been cleared to play for next year.  Has anyone else seen that?  If true that changes things a little bit.  It can be a career ending thing just look at Chris Bosh.

I thought (and I could very well be wrong) that the bigger issue was if he eventually needs to take blood thinners to treat these blood clots.  The affects of the medication would make the toll ones body takes when playing competitive basketball (let alone NBA level basketball) very dangerous.  Has it been ruled out that he'll need medication at some point?  If that's unknown I would think it would definitely lower his value.

Again I don't know if I'm accurate on this.

[ETNCeltics]

I could maybe tolerate taking a gamble on AD if the price tag doesn't include Tatum. But trading Tatum and then losing AD would be the most devastating personnel loss for this franchise since Len Bias.

[Silky]

Interesting update:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PWk9Aa2KkpAWsFMh6mpS2?si=nVjQLIkDTKm-EymIqRQKJg

On the most recent episode of “The Lowe Post,” Zach Lowe of ESPN said that Boston’s stance of trading for Davis hasn’t changed despite Rich Davis’ agent, Rich Paul of Klutch Sports, saying that he won’t re-sign if they do:

“Everything I’ve heard, and this is really interesting, is that Boston is not afraid. Boston is not afraid of Rich Paul coming out again in Sports Illustrated and saying ‘they can trade for him, it’s just going to be for a year.’ They’re not afraid. And I don’t see a way that Boston can get him without trading (Jayson) Tatum. Now, whether you have to include Tatum and the Memphis, which is their only golden chip left -- and by the way, the last golden chip they had was the Kings pick, and it didn’t turn out to be all that golden because the Kings got pretty good. So you never know.”

Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN was on SportsCenter on Wednesday, he said he didn’t know if Boston was planning on offering Tatum in a package for Davis. Meanwhile, he’s reported that the Lakers are building a package centered around Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram and the No. 4 pick.

As it stands, we don’t know how the Lakers’ package stacks up against Boston’s because they don’t have one yet. Sure, Tatum might theoretically be the best prospect the Pelicans can get back in a trade, but there’s no guarantee the Celtics offer that, especially when all signs point to Kyrie Irving skipping town.

I read that Brandon Ingram has been cleared to play for next year.  Has anyone else seen that?  If true that changes things a little bit.  It can be a career ending thing just look at Chris Bosh.

As of April 10th he could barely lift his arm,

The Doctors had done surgery on a rib they "believe" was causing the clots, but as far as I know it remains to be seen if it remedied it.

The only reports out there is from the Lakers stating they believe he should be fine to play next season.....which is what one would expect them to state no matter what, but especially if they are shopping the player in question.

And the article in question also states that the resulting clot was from a shoulder issue, when it is reported by the lakers that the clots was coming from a rib.

[Silky]

What about:

Smart, Yabuselle and Williams to Houston

Capella, Brown, #20 and Memphis pick to New Orleans

Davis to Boston.

Houston adds an all defensive wing to offset Hardens lack of defense, use MLE to get themselves a new center, and have Williams as depth. I would have to imagine after some of the showings Smart has put on against houston they would like him alot. If they move Paul, Smart is a great starter to offset Hardens offense with defense.

NOP gets a good young, locked up center and a very solid ptential star 2 way player in the backcourt in Brown. and the 20th this year and the pearl that is the Memphis pick.

Boston gets Davis.
Pretty sure Irving resigns as he wanted Hayward to play in Cleveland with him, Davis is one of his best friends and so is Tatum. And who doesnt like AL.

Irving/Wannamaker
Hayward/Gibson
Tatum/Semi
Horford/Theis
Davis/Baynes

Would have some work to do with MLE, LLE and 2 draft picks to fill out the roster.

I don't think you want to start Irving/Hayward/Tatum/Horford/Davis, then you have the same problem as this year that there are not enough shots to satisfy everybody. Irving or Hayward should be the 6th man and then start Wanamaker or Ojeleye.

While I agree that Hayward should probaly come off the bench for a while to run the bench unit, the team would need to draft or use the MLE to sign a suitable starting SG who is purely a 3 and d player.

That lineup needs a wing defender. Ideally I would hope that Danny Green would accept a multi year full MLE deal.