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Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #510 on: July 27, 2018, 09:22:29 AM »

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Listened to the latest J.J. Redick podcast.  He didn't go into details but he mentioned as an aside that he was 1 hour from signing with Indiana before the Sixers increased their offer.  Sounds like he was offered the 1 year/12M deal that Evans eventually got.

As an aside, does anyone remember when Redick was a draft bust?
He was the 11th pick.  I know people didn't think he would work out well, but even his first few seasons he was at worst going to end up as a bench 3 point specialist.  Now maybe for the 11th pick you want more than that (though historically you rarely get more than rotation level players in that range).  He certainly developed into a much better player than that.

I’m talking about after three seasons.

Coming out of the draft, Redick was a 4-year starting college senior from Duke, a 2-time ACC POY, a two-time consensus 1st-team All-American, and won virtually every major Player of the Ywar award for his senior season (Naismith, Wooden, AP, Sporting News, etc.).  This is the type of player who might lack a high ceiling, but you would expect to be a contributor relatively early in his career.  Instead he averaged 6, 4.1, and 6 points through his first three seasons, averaging under 18 MPG each season (with a low of 8 MPG in year 2), and a FG% below 40% in year 3.  He looked for all the world like someone who would be out of the league or bouncing around on 1-year minimum deals after his rookie contract ended, given he was already in his mid-20s.

The point of my original comment was not to have a debate about whether or not people misjudged Redick going into the draft.  It wasn’t to have a debate at all.  It was more about his interesting career arc.  He’s become the player many thought he would, and even a bit more than that perhaps.  But it took him 2-3 years longer to reach that career path than many would have expected.  Just something to keep in mind when judging players early in their careers.

Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
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Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
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Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #513 on: July 27, 2018, 02:24:39 PM »

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Listened to the latest J.J. Redick podcast.  He didn't go into details but he mentioned as an aside that he was 1 hour from signing with Indiana before the Sixers increased their offer.  Sounds like he was offered the 1 year/12M deal that Evans eventually got.

As an aside, does anyone remember when Redick was a draft bust?
He was the 11th pick.  I know people didn't think he would work out well, but even his first few seasons he was at worst going to end up as a bench 3 point specialist.  Now maybe for the 11th pick you want more than that (though historically you rarely get more than rotation level players in that range).  He certainly developed into a much better player than that.

I’m talking about after three seasons.

Coming out of the draft, Redick was a 4-year starting college senior from Duke, a 2-time ACC POY, a two-time consensus 1st-team All-American, and won virtually every major Player of the Ywar award for his senior season (Naismith, Wooden, AP, Sporting News, etc.).  This is the type of player who might lack a high ceiling, but you would expect to be a contributor relatively early in his career.  Instead he averaged 6, 4.1, and 6 points through his first three seasons, averaging under 18 MPG each season (with a low of 8 MPG in year 2), and a FG% below 40% in year 3.  He looked for all the world like someone who would be out of the league or bouncing around on 1-year minimum deals after his rookie contract ended, given he was already in his mid-20s.

The point of my original comment was not to have a debate about whether or not people misjudged Redick going into the draft.  It wasn’t to have a debate at all.  It was more about his interesting career arc.  He’s become the player many thought he would, and even a bit more than that perhaps.  But it took him 2-3 years longer to reach that career path than many would have expected.  Just something to keep in mind when judging players early in their careers.

You've touched on something that I find problematic with the modern setup of players leaving college so early: A lot of these one-and-done/two-and-through players have good upside, but they may take 2, 3, or even 4 years to develop, which means using roster spots on guys who might not contribute much for quite some time—yet if you don't draft them, you might be wishing (in 2, 3, or 4 years) that you had. Kind of a conundrum.
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Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #514 on: July 27, 2018, 04:14:35 PM »

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Houston has reached an agreement with Clint Capela on a 5-year, $90m extension, sources tell ESPN.

Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #515 on: July 27, 2018, 04:17:26 PM »

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Houston has reached an agreement with Clint Capela on a 5-year, $90m extension, sources tell ESPN.

Good job by Houston going for 5 years.

Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #516 on: July 27, 2018, 04:26:15 PM »

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Houston has reached an agreement with Clint Capela on a 5-year, $90m extension, sources tell ESPN.

Good job by Houston going for 5 years.

That’s a very solid AAV, too.


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Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #517 on: July 27, 2018, 04:56:38 PM »

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Houston has reached an agreement with Clint Capela on a 5-year, $90m extension, sources tell ESPN.

Good job by Houston going for 5 years.

That’s a very solid AAV, too.
yeah.  I have no idea why Capela would sign that contract.  Way less than both Adams and Gobert and I think he is at least on par with Adams (he is behind Gobert).
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Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #518 on: July 27, 2018, 05:02:26 PM »

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I agree. I actually think he’s more important to the rockets than Adam or Gobert are to their teams. HOU would have nothing in terms of an inside presence without him. Thought he’d be getting at least $22 mill a year..

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« Reply #519 on: July 27, 2018, 05:09:58 PM »

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makes sense if he doesn’t want to risk injury ruining his payday (DMC, IT)

Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #520 on: July 27, 2018, 05:13:23 PM »

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I agree. I actually think he’s more important to the rockets than Adam or Gobert are to their teams. HOU would have nothing in terms of an inside presence without him. Thought he’d be getting at least $22 mill a year..

He’s getting close to that tho.  His qualifying offer was $4.7 million.  If he’d taken that he could have gone to unrestricted free agency, where he’d have to get 4 years, $85 million to just get what the Rockets offered, or a little over $21 million per year.

Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #521 on: July 27, 2018, 06:31:36 PM »

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Houston has reached an agreement with Clint Capela on a 5-year, $90m extension, sources tell ESPN.

Good job by Houston going for 5 years.

That’s a very solid AAV, too.
yeah.  I have no idea why Capela would sign that contract.  Way less than both Adams and Gobert and I think he is at least on par with Adams (he is behind Gobert).
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3) General decline in the importance of big men especially those that can't shoot
4) Capela probably got less interest than expected this offseason even for a restricted free agent. 
5) Teams will have more cap space in 2019 but there will be more good free agents too.   

All things considered its a good deal for the Rockets and for Capela.

Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #522 on: July 27, 2018, 07:13:39 PM »

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The incentives on Clint Capela's contract, per a league source: $1 million for reaching the Western Conference finals, $500,000 for finishing with a 30% defensive rebounding rate, and $500,000 for shooting at least 65% from the free throw line. Those are for each of the 5 seasons

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1022979297047240705

I wish Smart's contract had incentives for shooting percentage!  ;D

Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #523 on: July 27, 2018, 07:19:15 PM »

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The incentives on Clint Capela's contract, per a league source: $1 million for reaching the Western Conference finals, $500,000 for finishing with a 30% defensive rebounding rate, and $500,000 for shooting at least 65% from the free throw line. Those are for each of the 5 seasons

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1022979297047240705

I wish Smart's contract had incentives for shooting percentage!  ;D
I assume the ft% is considered an unlikely incentive and the other 2 would be likely incentives. 

Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
« Reply #524 on: July 27, 2018, 07:21:24 PM »

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Listened to the latest J.J. Redick podcast.  He didn't go into details but he mentioned as an aside that he was 1 hour from signing with Indiana before the Sixers increased their offer.  Sounds like he was offered the 1 year/12M deal that Evans eventually got.

As an aside, does anyone remember when Redick was a draft bust?
He was the 11th pick.  I know people didn't think he would work out well, but even his first few seasons he was at worst going to end up as a bench 3 point specialist.  Now maybe for the 11th pick you want more than that (though historically you rarely get more than rotation level players in that range).  He certainly developed into a much better player than that.

I’m talking about after three seasons.

Coming out of the draft, Redick was a 4-year starting college senior from Duke, a 2-time ACC POY, a two-time consensus 1st-team All-American, and won virtually every major Player of the Ywar award for his senior season (Naismith, Wooden, AP, Sporting News, etc.).  This is the type of player who might lack a high ceiling, but you would expect to be a contributor relatively early in his career.  Instead he averaged 6, 4.1, and 6 points through his first three seasons, averaging under 18 MPG each season (with a low of 8 MPG in year 2), and a FG% below 40% in year 3.  He looked for all the world like someone who would be out of the league or bouncing around on 1-year minimum deals after his rookie contract ended, given he was already in his mid-20s.

The point of my original comment was not to have a debate about whether or not people misjudged Redick going into the draft.  It wasn’t to have a debate at all.  It was more about his interesting career arc.  He’s become the player many thought he would, and even a bit more than that perhaps.  But it took him 2-3 years longer to reach that career path than many would have expected.  Just something to keep in mind when judging players early in their careers.

You've touched on something that I find problematic with the modern setup of players leaving college so early: A lot of these one-and-done/two-and-through players have good upside, but they may take 2, 3, or even 4 years to develop, which means using roster spots on guys who might not contribute much for quite some time—yet if you don't draft them, you might be wishing (in 2, 3, or 4 years) that you had. Kind of a conundrum.
In a few years, teams will be dealing with high school and done again.  That's really going to be a conundrum.