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Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2019, 09:15:49 AM »

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he should go to college and start over
LOL but seriously, if he did and spent the entire 4 years, he would still be only 24.

Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2019, 09:35:23 AM »

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Wonder if anyone here would want us to offer him a minimum contract

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Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2019, 09:47:44 AM »

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I watched him last night. He is years away from being a plus rotation player.

That said, I absolutely think he could get there in the right system with the right coaching, which he doesn't have.

I agree I think that if he was drafted into a more defined system with less immediate expectations he could have had a better start to his career. I could see the Spurs taking a flier on him given their track record with European Bigs.

Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2019, 11:28:00 AM »

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Wonder if anyone here would want us to offer him a minimum contract

I expect he’ll sign in Europe.

But for the minimum, sure. He’d give us at least what Jabari Bird has this season.
That says a lot. LOL

But we’re not comparing him to bird. We’re comparing him to the available field.

With the way our offense is flowing, I’d look at the stats sheet and get the best 3 pt shooter available.
Ah yes because Boston needs more 3 point shooters.

I have a lot of respect for your knowledge of basketball history and desire for hard-nosed basketball, but I think that you need to come to terms that in today's NBA, if you can't shoot a 3, you have to be able to do something amazing to see playing time. With elite 3 pt percentages reaching the mid 40s and a few guys almost touching 50%, the NBA will eventually have to do something about it. 

Our entire offense revolves around running a play and moving the ball around until we find an easy 2 or a wide open 3. I'd rather find a proven guy that shoots 40%+ from 3 that we can stick in the corner on our 2nd unit than waste a roster spot on a project on a win now championship team.

Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2019, 12:03:44 PM »

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I hope he goes overseas, plays a few years there, regains his confidence, and comes back to the NBA.

Could easily see him becoming a role player along the lines of Ilyasova or one of the Bogdanovics (in terms of value).  Just needs a team that can actually develop him.

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Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2019, 12:08:31 PM »

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Wonder if anyone here would want us to offer him a minimum contract

I expect he’ll sign in Europe.

But for the minimum, sure. He’d give us at least what Jabari Bird has this season.
That says a lot. LOL

But we’re not comparing him to bird. We’re comparing him to the available field.

With the way our offense is flowing, I’d look at the stats sheet and get the best 3 pt shooter available.
Ah yes because Boston needs more 3 point shooters.

I have a lot of respect for your knowledge of basketball history and desire for hard-nosed basketball, but I think that you need to come to terms that in today's NBA, if you can't shoot a 3, you have to be able to do something amazing to see playing time. With elite 3 pt percentages reaching the mid 40s and a few guys almost touching 50%, the NBA will eventually have to do something about it. 

Our entire offense revolves around running a play and moving the ball around until we find an easy 2 or a wide open 3. I'd rather find a proven guy that shoots 40%+ from 3 that we can stick in the corner on our 2nd unit than waste a roster spot on a project on a win now championship team.
my point was, Boston has enough 3 point shooters, it is missing other aspects of the game, such as shot blocking, rebounding, and foul shot generation. 
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Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2019, 12:37:34 PM »

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I honestly would have no issue swapping Bender for Yabusele in the offseason. Yabusele doesn’t really do anything for me. Still think there can be something salvaged from Bender. Still incredibly young.

Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2019, 12:45:39 PM »

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Wonder if anyone here would want us to offer him a minimum contract

I expect he’ll sign in Europe.

But for the minimum, sure. He’d give us at least what Jabari Bird has this season.
That says a lot. LOL

But we’re not comparing him to bird. We’re comparing him to the available field.

With the way our offense is flowing, I’d look at the stats sheet and get the best 3 pt shooter available.
Ah yes because Boston needs more 3 point shooters.

I have a lot of respect for your knowledge of basketball history and desire for hard-nosed basketball, but I think that you need to come to terms that in today's NBA, if you can't shoot a 3, you have to be able to do something amazing to see playing time. With elite 3 pt percentages reaching the mid 40s and a few guys almost touching 50%, the NBA will eventually have to do something about it. 

Our entire offense revolves around running a play and moving the ball around until we find an easy 2 or a wide open 3. I'd rather find a proven guy that shoots 40%+ from 3 that we can stick in the corner on our 2nd unit than waste a roster spot on a project on a win now championship team.
my point was, Boston has enough 3 point shooters, it is missing other aspects of the game, such as shot blocking, rebounding, and foul shot generation.

I still get the feeling that your comments are more frustration with our offensive strategy rather than players. For example, we have Robert Williams, who does all of what you just cited well, and yet he's barely getting minutes. The simple truth is he doesn't fit into this team's play-style yet. A 3 point shooter would, because that's our offensive strategy: shoot a bunch of 3s.. we're #3 in 3pt attempted this season.

Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2019, 01:11:55 PM »

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Wonder if anyone here would want us to offer him a minimum contract

I expect he’ll sign in Europe.

But for the minimum, sure. He’d give us at least what Jabari Bird has this season.
That says a lot. LOL

But we’re not comparing him to bird. We’re comparing him to the available field.

With the way our offense is flowing, I’d look at the stats sheet and get the best 3 pt shooter available.
Ah yes because Boston needs more 3 point shooters.

I have a lot of respect for your knowledge of basketball history and desire for hard-nosed basketball, but I think that you need to come to terms that in today's NBA, if you can't shoot a 3, you have to be able to do something amazing to see playing time. With elite 3 pt percentages reaching the mid 40s and a few guys almost touching 50%, the NBA will eventually have to do something about it. 

Our entire offense revolves around running a play and moving the ball around until we find an easy 2 or a wide open 3. I'd rather find a proven guy that shoots 40%+ from 3 that we can stick in the corner on our 2nd unit than waste a roster spot on a project on a win now championship team.
my point was, Boston has enough 3 point shooters, it is missing other aspects of the game, such as shot blocking, rebounding, and foul shot generation.

I still get the feeling that your comments are more frustration with our offensive strategy rather than players. For example, we have Robert Williams, who does all of what you just cited well, and yet he's barely getting minutes. The simple truth is he doesn't fit into this team's play-style yet. A 3 point shooter would, because that's our offensive strategy: shoot a bunch of 3s.. we're #3 in 3pt attempted this season.

Robert Williams can block shots and get rebounds, but the reason he doesn't play is because despite his shot blocking he is actually a bad defensive player currently.  It has nothing to do with his offensive abilities (or lack there of).  When RWIII learns to stop chasing blocks, and learns better defensive positioning while also staying within the scheme, he'll see his minutes go up.

I rarely ever agree with Moranis on much of anything, but this seems to be one of the few times.  Simply adding more three point shooters to our roster does nothing for us, it's not an area of the game the team needs to improve upon.

Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2019, 02:24:38 PM »

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Wonder if anyone here would want us to offer him a minimum contract

I expect he’ll sign in Europe.

But for the minimum, sure. He’d give us at least what Jabari Bird has this season.
That says a lot. LOL

But we’re not comparing him to bird. We’re comparing him to the available field.

With the way our offense is flowing, I’d look at the stats sheet and get the best 3 pt shooter available.
Ah yes because Boston needs more 3 point shooters.

I have a lot of respect for your knowledge of basketball history and desire for hard-nosed basketball, but I think that you need to come to terms that in today's NBA, if you can't shoot a 3, you have to be able to do something amazing to see playing time. With elite 3 pt percentages reaching the mid 40s and a few guys almost touching 50%, the NBA will eventually have to do something about it. 

Our entire offense revolves around running a play and moving the ball around until we find an easy 2 or a wide open 3. I'd rather find a proven guy that shoots 40%+ from 3 that we can stick in the corner on our 2nd unit than waste a roster spot on a project on a win now championship team.
my point was, Boston has enough 3 point shooters, it is missing other aspects of the game, such as shot blocking, rebounding, and foul shot generation.

I still get the feeling that your comments are more frustration with our offensive strategy rather than players. For example, we have Robert Williams, who does all of what you just cited well, and yet he's barely getting minutes. The simple truth is he doesn't fit into this team's play-style yet. A 3 point shooter would, because that's our offensive strategy: shoot a bunch of 3s.. we're #3 in 3pt attempted this season.

Robert Williams can block shots and get rebounds, but the reason he doesn't play is because despite his shot blocking he is actually a bad defensive player currently.  It has nothing to do with his offensive abilities (or lack there of).  When RWIII learns to stop chasing blocks, and learns better defensive positioning while also staying within the scheme, he'll see his minutes go up.

I rarely ever agree with Moranis on much of anything, but this seems to be one of the few times.  Simply adding more three point shooters to our roster does nothing for us, it's not an area of the game the team needs to improve upon.

I think what we need is a veteran backup point guard who can run the second unit and provide defensive energy off the bench.

Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2019, 03:30:33 PM »

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Wonder if anyone here would want us to offer him a minimum contract

I expect he’ll sign in Europe.

But for the minimum, sure. He’d give us at least what Jabari Bird has this season.
That says a lot. LOL

But we’re not comparing him to bird. We’re comparing him to the available field.

With the way our offense is flowing, I’d look at the stats sheet and get the best 3 pt shooter available.
Ah yes because Boston needs more 3 point shooters.

I have a lot of respect for your knowledge of basketball history and desire for hard-nosed basketball, but I think that you need to come to terms that in today's NBA, if you can't shoot a 3, you have to be able to do something amazing to see playing time. With elite 3 pt percentages reaching the mid 40s and a few guys almost touching 50%, the NBA will eventually have to do something about it. 

Our entire offense revolves around running a play and moving the ball around until we find an easy 2 or a wide open 3. I'd rather find a proven guy that shoots 40%+ from 3 that we can stick in the corner on our 2nd unit than waste a roster spot on a project on a win now championship team.
my point was, Boston has enough 3 point shooters, it is missing other aspects of the game, such as shot blocking, rebounding, and foul shot generation.

I still get the feeling that your comments are more frustration with our offensive strategy rather than players. For example, we have Robert Williams, who does all of what you just cited well, and yet he's barely getting minutes. The simple truth is he doesn't fit into this team's play-style yet. A 3 point shooter would, because that's our offensive strategy: shoot a bunch of 3s.. we're #3 in 3pt attempted this season.

Robert Williams can block shots and get rebounds, but the reason he doesn't play is because despite his shot blocking he is actually a bad defensive player currently.  It has nothing to do with his offensive abilities (or lack there of).  When RWIII learns to stop chasing blocks, and learns better defensive positioning while also staying within the scheme, he'll see his minutes go up.

I rarely ever agree with Moranis on much of anything, but this seems to be one of the few times.  Simply adding more three point shooters to our roster does nothing for us, it's not an area of the game the team needs to improve upon.

I'm pretty sure the main reasons that Williams is not playing are

a) He's been hurt.

b) He's at best the #3 big man in a rotation that plays only 2 big men.   When everyone is healthy Brad is typically playing Al ~30 minutes and Aron ~17 minutes and almost never both at the same time.  In other words, Brad is using one big man on the floor for pretty much the entire game and all those minutes are being consumed by Al & Aron.  Williams is in the same boat as Theis & Yabusele with getting whatever scrap random minutes are left over or open up due to blowouts or due to injury to Al or Aron.

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Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2019, 03:38:22 PM »

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I don't blame them .

My record on draft picks is extremely poor  :)

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Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2019, 03:44:36 PM »

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Wonder if anyone here would want us to offer him a minimum contract

I expect he’ll sign in Europe.

But for the minimum, sure. He’d give us at least what Jabari Bird has this season.
That says a lot. LOL

But we’re not comparing him to bird. We’re comparing him to the available field.

With the way our offense is flowing, I’d look at the stats sheet and get the best 3 pt shooter available.
Ah yes because Boston needs more 3 point shooters.

I have a lot of respect for your knowledge of basketball history and desire for hard-nosed basketball, but I think that you need to come to terms that in today's NBA, if you can't shoot a 3, you have to be able to do something amazing to see playing time. With elite 3 pt percentages reaching the mid 40s and a few guys almost touching 50%, the NBA will eventually have to do something about it. 

Our entire offense revolves around running a play and moving the ball around until we find an easy 2 or a wide open 3. I'd rather find a proven guy that shoots 40%+ from 3 that we can stick in the corner on our 2nd unit than waste a roster spot on a project on a win now championship team.
my point was, Boston has enough 3 point shooters, it is missing other aspects of the game, such as shot blocking, rebounding, and foul shot generation.

I still get the feeling that your comments are more frustration with our offensive strategy rather than players. For example, we have Robert Williams, who does all of what you just cited well, and yet he's barely getting minutes. The simple truth is he doesn't fit into this team's play-style yet. A 3 point shooter would, because that's our offensive strategy: shoot a bunch of 3s.. we're #3 in 3pt attempted this season.

Robert Williams can block shots and get rebounds, but the reason he doesn't play is because despite his shot blocking he is actually a bad defensive player currently.  It has nothing to do with his offensive abilities (or lack there of).  When RWIII learns to stop chasing blocks, and learns better defensive positioning while also staying within the scheme, he'll see his minutes go up.

I rarely ever agree with Moranis on much of anything, but this seems to be one of the few times.  Simply adding more three point shooters to our roster does nothing for us, it's not an area of the game the team needs to improve upon.

I'm pretty sure the main reasons that Williams is not playing are

a) He's been hurt.

b) He's at best the #3 big man in a rotation that plays only 2 big men.   When everyone is healthy Brad is typically playing Al ~30 minutes and Aron ~17 minutes and almost never both at the same time.  In other words, Brad is using one big man on the floor for pretty much the entire game and all those minutes are being consumed by Al & Aron.  Williams is in the same boat as Theis & Yabusele with getting whatever scrap random minutes are left over or open up due to blowouts or due to injury to Al or Aron.
Williams isn't playing because, for a while he was injured, but when he and every other big is healthy he is the 14th player on a team that can only suit 13 players.

Why is he 14th on a 14 man team(not counting Bird as he has been unavailable all year)? Because of what KG Knee's said. His defense is poor even though he is a supreme shot blocker. He also has little offensive skills. Even his screens on offense are weak as he tries to roll to the basket way too early.

Love Williams. Think he has great potential. But right now Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis and Yabusele are all much better overall players and so they aren't made inactive when healthy(except rest days) and they get playing time ahead of Williams.

Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2019, 04:12:44 PM »

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Wonder if anyone here would want us to offer him a minimum contract

I expect he’ll sign in Europe.

But for the minimum, sure. He’d give us at least what Jabari Bird has this season.
That says a lot. LOL

But we’re not comparing him to bird. We’re comparing him to the available field.

With the way our offense is flowing, I’d look at the stats sheet and get the best 3 pt shooter available.
Ah yes because Boston needs more 3 point shooters.

I have a lot of respect for your knowledge of basketball history and desire for hard-nosed basketball, but I think that you need to come to terms that in today's NBA, if you can't shoot a 3, you have to be able to do something amazing to see playing time. With elite 3 pt percentages reaching the mid 40s and a few guys almost touching 50%, the NBA will eventually have to do something about it. 

Our entire offense revolves around running a play and moving the ball around until we find an easy 2 or a wide open 3. I'd rather find a proven guy that shoots 40%+ from 3 that we can stick in the corner on our 2nd unit than waste a roster spot on a project on a win now championship team.
my point was, Boston has enough 3 point shooters, it is missing other aspects of the game, such as shot blocking, rebounding, and foul shot generation.

I still get the feeling that your comments are more frustration with our offensive strategy rather than players. For example, we have Robert Williams, who does all of what you just cited well, and yet he's barely getting minutes. The simple truth is he doesn't fit into this team's play-style yet. A 3 point shooter would, because that's our offensive strategy: shoot a bunch of 3s.. we're #3 in 3pt attempted this season.

Robert Williams can block shots and get rebounds, but the reason he doesn't play is because despite his shot blocking he is actually a bad defensive player currently.  It has nothing to do with his offensive abilities (or lack there of).  When RWIII learns to stop chasing blocks, and learns better defensive positioning while also staying within the scheme, he'll see his minutes go up.

I rarely ever agree with Moranis on much of anything, but this seems to be one of the few times.  Simply adding more three point shooters to our roster does nothing for us, it's not an area of the game the team needs to improve upon.

I'm pretty sure the main reasons that Williams is not playing are

a) He's been hurt.

b) He's at best the #3 big man in a rotation that plays only 2 big men.   When everyone is healthy Brad is typically playing Al ~30 minutes and Aron ~17 minutes and almost never both at the same time.  In other words, Brad is using one big man on the floor for pretty much the entire game and all those minutes are being consumed by Al & Aron.  Williams is in the same boat as Theis & Yabusele with getting whatever scrap random minutes are left over or open up due to blowouts or due to injury to Al or Aron.
Williams isn't playing because, for a while he was injured, but when he and every other big is healthy he is the 14th player on a team that can only suit 13 players.

Why is he 14th on a 14 man team(not counting Bird as he has been unavailable all year)? Because of what KG Knee's said. His defense is poor even though he is a supreme shot blocker. He also has little offensive skills. Even his screens on offense are weak as he tries to roll to the basket way too early.

Love Williams. Think he has great potential. But right now Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis and Yabusele are all much better overall players and so they aren't made inactive when healthy(except rest days) and they get playing time ahead of Williams.

I personally agree with those saying he's still incredibly raw and IF the minutes were there to play a 3rd or 4th big, I would expect Theis and/or Yabusele to get them before Williams.   But those minutes aren't really there.

Over the last 4 games, since Baynes came back,  Theis has played a total of less than 8 minutes.   Go back over the schedule.  In games where both Al and Aron are both healthy, Theis & Yabusele get almost no minutes.

Whether he's the 14th player by talent is sort of irrelevant.  He and Wanamaker play totally different positions.  Wanamaker is probably closer to getting minutes at PG (because he's #4 in a guard rotation that plays a lot more minutes) and thus would be of more immediate need should injury occur.   So it makes sense to dress him over Williams.
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Re: Suns decline Dragan Bender’s 4th-year option
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2019, 04:30:52 PM »

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Wonder if anyone here would want us to offer him a minimum contract

I expect he’ll sign in Europe.

But for the minimum, sure. He’d give us at least what Jabari Bird has this season.
That says a lot. LOL

But we’re not comparing him to bird. We’re comparing him to the available field.

With the way our offense is flowing, I’d look at the stats sheet and get the best 3 pt shooter available.
Ah yes because Boston needs more 3 point shooters.

I have a lot of respect for your knowledge of basketball history and desire for hard-nosed basketball, but I think that you need to come to terms that in today's NBA, if you can't shoot a 3, you have to be able to do something amazing to see playing time. With elite 3 pt percentages reaching the mid 40s and a few guys almost touching 50%, the NBA will eventually have to do something about it. 

Our entire offense revolves around running a play and moving the ball around until we find an easy 2 or a wide open 3. I'd rather find a proven guy that shoots 40%+ from 3 that we can stick in the corner on our 2nd unit than waste a roster spot on a project on a win now championship team.
my point was, Boston has enough 3 point shooters, it is missing other aspects of the game, such as shot blocking, rebounding, and foul shot generation.

I still get the feeling that your comments are more frustration with our offensive strategy rather than players. For example, we have Robert Williams, who does all of what you just cited well, and yet he's barely getting minutes. The simple truth is he doesn't fit into this team's play-style yet. A 3 point shooter would, because that's our offensive strategy: shoot a bunch of 3s.. we're #3 in 3pt attempted this season.

Robert Williams can block shots and get rebounds, but the reason he doesn't play is because despite his shot blocking he is actually a bad defensive player currently.  It has nothing to do with his offensive abilities (or lack there of).  When RWIII learns to stop chasing blocks, and learns better defensive positioning while also staying within the scheme, he'll see his minutes go up.

I rarely ever agree with Moranis on much of anything, but this seems to be one of the few times.  Simply adding more three point shooters to our roster does nothing for us, it's not an area of the game the team needs to improve upon.

I think what we need is a veteran backup point guard who can run the second unit and provide defensive energy off the bench.

I agree with this 100%.  We are missing a Shane Larkin type player that can play when needed to keep the 2nd unit ball movement flowing and guard small quick guards.  I am not sure if this player replaces Rozier or is just a supplement to him.