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Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2019, 05:06:35 PM »

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
the students get paid

Free housing (thousands of dollars worth)
Free meals (thousands)
Free books
Free tuition

That's enough. us peasants and non athletes don't  get there amazing benefits

You dont have the skills  they do. In every other profession in this country people get paid according to the goods and services they provide. Except for the NCAA when for some reason the person(s) generating the money get paid only a tiny fraction of the money they deserve in order to allow others to profit. That a really dumb system.

Key word: profession

They are not professionals, they are students, and the NCAA isn't a professional league. It is a bunch of schools that you conveniently forget. Schools pay students thousands already to bounce a ball via free housing, tuition, etc

Us mere peasants don't get that luxury. They already get hefty rewards

This is a meaningless distinction, the only difference between the two in this context is the word you use to describe them. Again the benefits they receive are only a tiny fraction of the benefits they deserve given the value the generate. Thats wrong, and calling them "student athletes" doesn't change that.

Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2019, 05:54:26 PM »

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
the students get paid

Free housing (thousands of dollars worth)
Free meals (thousands)
Free books
Free tuition

That's enough. us peasants and non athletes don't  get there amazing benefits

You dont have the skills  they do. In every other profession in this country people get paid according to the goods and services they provide. Except for the NCAA when for some reason the person(s) generating the money get paid only a tiny fraction of the money they deserve in order to allow others to profit. That a really dumb system.

Key word: profession

They are not professionals, they are students, and the NCAA isn't a professional league. It is a bunch of schools that you conveniently forget. Schools pay students thousands already to bounce a ball via free housing, tuition, etc

Us mere peasants don't get that luxury. They already get hefty rewards

This is a meaningless distinction, the only difference between the two in this context is the word you use to describe them. Again the benefits they receive are only a tiny fraction of the benefits they deserve given the value the generate. Thats wrong, and calling them "student athletes" doesn't change that.
the ceo of a company gets paid $60 million  while the peasants are lucky to make $25k. Welcome to capitalism

If you want share the wealth economics, move to Venezuela or cuba

Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2019, 06:18:57 PM »

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If you want share the wealth economics, move to Venezuela or cuba

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And for the record, Penny gave the Wiseman family the money for them to move in 2008 long before he was Memphis or even Wiseman's coach.

Yep, agree.

Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2019, 08:20:09 PM »

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
the students get paid

Free housing (thousands of dollars worth)
Free meals (thousands)
Free books
Free tuition

That's enough. us peasants and non athletes don't  get there amazing benefits

The market value of someone like Wiseman is literally 100s of times more than this. This just seems like shallow resentment.


]the ceo of a company gets paid $60 million  while the peasants are lucky to make $25k. Welcome to capitalism

If you want share the wealth economics, move to Venezuela or cuba

Oh, maybe just anti-worker in general. Anyway, there are employers willing to them pay millions per year so this doesn't make sense either. And without artificial market restrictions like the rookie contract scale they'd get even more.

Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2019, 08:22:26 PM »

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
the students get paid

Free housing (thousands of dollars worth)
Free meals (thousands)
Free books
Free tuition

That's enough. us peasants and non athletes don't  get there amazing benefits

You dont have the skills  they do. In every other profession in this country people get paid according to the goods and services they provide. Except for the NCAA when for some reason the person(s) generating the money get paid only a tiny fraction of the money they deserve in order to allow others to profit. That a really dumb system.

Key word: profession

They are not professionals, they are students, and the NCAA isn't a professional league. It is a bunch of schools that you conveniently forget. Schools pay students thousands already to bounce a ball via free housing, tuition, etc

Us mere peasants don't get that luxury. They already get hefty rewards

This is a meaningless distinction, the only difference between the two in this context is the word you use to describe them. Again the benefits they receive are only a tiny fraction of the benefits they deserve given the value the generate. Thats wrong, and calling them "student athletes" doesn't change that.
the ceo of a company gets paid $60 million  while the peasants are lucky to make $25k. Welcome to capitalism

If you want share the wealth economics, move to Venezuela or cuba
Not only is it immoral, but it's not even actual capitalism that you're describing.
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Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2019, 08:28:47 PM »

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
the students get paid

Free housing (thousands of dollars worth)
Free meals (thousands)
Free books
Free tuition

That's enough. us peasants and non athletes don't  get there amazing benefits

You dont have the skills  they do. In every other profession in this country people get paid according to the goods and services they provide. Except for the NCAA when for some reason the person(s) generating the money get paid only a tiny fraction of the money they deserve in order to allow others to profit. That a really dumb system.

Key word: profession

They are not professionals, they are students, and the NCAA isn't a professional league. It is a bunch of schools that you conveniently forget. Schools pay students thousands already to bounce a ball via free housing, tuition, etc

Us mere peasants don't get that luxury. They already get hefty rewards

This is a meaningless distinction, the only difference between the two in this context is the word you use to describe them. Again the benefits they receive are only a tiny fraction of the benefits they deserve given the value the generate. Thats wrong, and calling them "student athletes" doesn't change that.
the ceo of a company gets paid $60 million  while the peasants are lucky to make $25k. Welcome to capitalism

If you want share the wealth economics, move to Venezuela or cuba

Again man, what are you talking about? In that case everybody is paid the wage the market dictates. If that was the case here Wiseman would be making millions. He's no because the NCAA rules are meant to artificially suppress worker wage so that the organization can reap the benefits. I'm literally talking bout the opposite of "share the wealth" economics. I'm talking about NCAA players being able too earn what they are actually worth.

Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2019, 08:50:58 PM »

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
the students get paid

Free housing (thousands of dollars worth)
Free meals (thousands)
Free books
Free tuition

That's enough. us peasants and non athletes don't  get there amazing benefits

You dont have the skills  they do. In every other profession in this country people get paid according to the goods and services they provide. Except for the NCAA when for some reason the person(s) generating the money get paid only a tiny fraction of the money they deserve in order to allow others to profit. That a really dumb system.

Key word: profession

They are not professionals, they are students, and the NCAA isn't a professional league. It is a bunch of schools that you conveniently forget. Schools pay students thousands already to bounce a ball via free housing, tuition, etc

Us mere peasants don't get that luxury. They already get hefty rewards

This is a meaningless distinction, the only difference between the two in this context is the word you use to describe them. Again the benefits they receive are only a tiny fraction of the benefits they deserve given the value the generate. Thats wrong, and calling them "student athletes" doesn't change that.
the ceo of a company gets paid $60 million  while the peasants are lucky to make $25k. Welcome to capitalism

If you want share the wealth economics, move to Venezuela or cuba
The CEO is worth that and the "peasants" aren't.  That isn't the case here, where the most valuable people are the athletes.  They are the ones that provide a skill only a tiny fraction can, and in the case of someone like Wiseman, is basically irreplaceable.  The athletes generate the revenue.  They are in fact the CEO in your scenario yet aren't paid like it.
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Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2019, 11:43:23 AM »

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Apparently, Wiseman & their legal team has withdrawn their lawsuit, "he has been declared ineligible, & will be withheld from competition while it awaits reinstatment from the NCAA." per reports.


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Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2019, 05:16:35 PM »

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The NCAA has suspended potential No. 1 pick James Wiseman of Memphis for 12 total games and will clear him on Jan. 12.


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Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2019, 05:34:48 PM »

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The NCAA has suspended potential No. 1 pick James Wiseman of Memphis for 12 total games and will clear him on Jan. 12.

However...

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NCAA also says Wiseman "must donate $11,500 to a charity of his choice." Wiseman will be cleared to play on Jan. 12 at South Florida.

Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. every single bit of the NCAA. James Wiseman should tell them to pound sand.

Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2019, 05:44:20 PM »

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The guys who play overseas after high school have the right idea. 

Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2019, 02:56:17 PM »

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He left Memphis:

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Potential No. 1 pick James Wiseman of Memphis has left the university, will sign with an agent and begin preparing for 2020 NBA draft.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1207748317876277250

Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2019, 03:10:38 PM »

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He left Memphis:

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Potential No. 1 pick James Wiseman of Memphis has left the university, will sign with an agent and begin preparing for 2020 NBA draft.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1207748317876277250

Wow. I don't see anyone else challenging him for the first pick. Good decision by him. Bummer for Memphis. Penny Hardaway of all people understands the importance of making money to play basketball when you have the chance.

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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2019, 03:15:13 PM »

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He left Memphis:

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Potential No. 1 pick James Wiseman of Memphis has left the university, will sign with an agent and begin preparing for 2020 NBA draft.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1207748317876277250

I'm assuming he just told the NCAA to take a hike and never paid that ridiculous $11,500 donation "penalty"?


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Re: James Wiseman Saga
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2019, 03:16:43 PM »

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It's absurd. The NCAA is such a hypocritical organization, making tons of money off these kids but not letting the kids make anything. And now the NCAA wants to ice out perhaps its most exciting player. Bravo.
first off they are not kids they are adults

Second off as adults they can make a choice - play for a scholarship or play overseas

Not every school is rolling in money, so don't even go there

Fine, they're adults. But all of the big programs (and their boosters) have plenty of money. These players comprise a product that the schools make money off, and the NCAA makes money off, but the players can't get any compensation for it? I think that's ridiculous and unfair. Of course, a lot of this could be avoided if the NBA would just allow people to go straight to the NBA and skip the token year of "college."
the students get paid

Free housing (thousands of dollars worth)
Free meals (thousands)
Free books
Free tuition

That's enough. us peasants and non athletes don't  get there amazing benefits

You dont have the skills  they do. In every other profession in this country people get paid according to the goods and services they provide. Except for the NCAA when for some reason the person(s) generating the money get paid only a tiny fraction of the money they deserve in order to allow others to profit. That a really dumb system.

Key word: profession

They are not professionals, they are students, and the NCAA isn't a professional league. It is a bunch of schools that you conveniently forget. Schools pay students thousands already to bounce a ball via free housing, tuition, etc

Us mere peasants don't get that luxury. They already get hefty rewards

This is a meaningless distinction, the only difference between the two in this context is the word you use to describe them. Again the benefits they receive are only a tiny fraction of the benefits they deserve given the value the generate. Thats wrong, and calling them "student athletes" doesn't change that.
the ceo of a company gets paid $60 million  while the peasants are lucky to make $25k. Welcome to capitalism

If you want share the wealth economics, move to Venezuela or cuba

Do you even know what capitalism means?

Because what you just described is the opposite of capitalism.

He left Memphis:

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Potential No. 1 pick James Wiseman of Memphis has left the university, will sign with an agent and begin preparing for 2020 NBA draft.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1207748317876277250

Good for him.

He gets some money for working hard and being extremely gifted from people who see his potential, and the NCAA steps in trying to refuse that? Yeah okay.
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