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Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2021, 07:18:37 PM »

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Trading one of our stars for rookie you can only hope become as good as our stars in 3-5 years only sets this team farther back from winning a title.

No thanks to trading either Jay for any of the top 5 prospects in this draft
these are the same people that would find $100 in the street and instead of considering themselves fortunate to have that $100, run to blow it all on lottery tickets thinking that they'll win so much more.



 Wrong Slam. You can see the effect on winning that Brown has. He very good. He's not truly special.

 Chet has a chance to be special on both ends. The goal is not to be good, the goal is to win it all and we are not on that path with this current core.

This is exactly what people said about Cade Cunningham last year. “He’s the next Luka, guaranteed superstar, etc. How’s that working out? Certainly doesn’t look like one to me. Holmgren is far from a sure thing, if he was, he would be dominating on both ends and putting up more than 13pts, 6rebs, and 3ast per game. Chet’s not even the number one option on his team.

Jaylen on the other hand is a proven NBA all-star who just turned 25 and is still getting better.  Trading him for a player that isn’t dominating at the college level and isn’t a consensus #1 pick would be a terrible idea. He’s not a Lebron, Duncan, Zion, type of prospect.
Wembenyama, however, is ;)

Idk, he doesn’t seem to be tearing it up overseas. Obviously he’s young, but I feel like Luka and Rubio were doing a lot more at the same age. 
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Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2021, 07:36:41 PM »

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I really like Holmgren but he has a lot of work to do. He is 7 foot with 7.6 wingspan and a good head for the game. But he's going to have to get stronger.

Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2021, 07:51:56 PM »

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Trading one of our stars for rookie you can only hope become as good as our stars in 3-5 years only sets this team farther back from winning a title.

No thanks to trading either Jay for any of the top 5 prospects in this draft
these are the same people that would find $100 in the street and instead of considering themselves fortunate to have that $100, run to blow it all on lottery tickets thinking that they'll win so much more.



 Wrong Slam. You can see the effect on winning that Brown has. He very good. He's not truly special.

 Chet has a chance to be special on both ends. The goal is not to be good, the goal is to win it all and we are not on that path with this current core.

This is exactly what people said about Cade Cunningham last year. “He’s the next Luka, guaranteed superstar, etc. How’s that working out? Certainly doesn’t look like one to me. Holmgren is far from a sure thing, if he was, he would be dominating on both ends and putting up more than 13pts, 6rebs, and 3ast per game. Chet’s not even the number one option on his team.

Jaylen on the other hand is a proven NBA all-star who just turned 25 and is still getting better.  Trading him for a player that isn’t dominating at the college level and isn’t a consensus #1 pick would be a terrible idea. He’s not a Lebron, Duncan, Zion, type of prospect.
Wembenyama, however, is ;)

Idk, he doesn’t seem to be tearing it up overseas. Obviously he’s young, but I feel like Luka and Rubio were doing a lot more at the same age.
Guards and a kid who was 7’2 at 16 are incomparable, their developmental arcs are going to be totally different. Did you miss his U18 dominance?
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Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2021, 09:21:03 PM »

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Trading one of our stars for rookie you can only hope become as good as our stars in 3-5 years only sets this team farther back from winning a title.

No thanks to trading either Jay for any of the top 5 prospects in this draft
these are the same people that would find $100 in the street and instead of considering themselves fortunate to have that $100, run to blow it all on lottery tickets thinking that they'll win so much more.



 Wrong Slam. You can see the effect on winning that Brown has. He very good. He's not truly special.

 Chet has a chance to be special on both ends. The goal is not to be good, the goal is to win it all and we are not on that path with this current core.

This is exactly what people said about Cade Cunningham last year. “He’s the next Luka, guaranteed superstar, etc. How’s that working out? Certainly doesn’t look like one to me. Holmgren is far from a sure thing, if he was, he would be dominating on both ends and putting up more than 13pts, 6rebs, and 3ast per game. Chet’s not even the number one option on his team.

Jaylen on the other hand is a proven NBA all-star who just turned 25 and is still getting better.  Trading him for a player that isn’t dominating at the college level and isn’t a consensus #1 pick would be a terrible idea. He’s not a Lebron, Duncan, Zion, type of prospect.
Wembenyama, however, is ;)

Idk, he doesn’t seem to be tearing it up overseas. Obviously he’s young, but I feel like Luka and Rubio were doing a lot more at the same age.
Guards and a kid who was 7’2 at 16 are incomparable, their developmental arcs are going to be totally different. Did you miss his U18 dominance?

Yeah, not sold on him or Holmgren. Both are huge question marks at the next level. I don’t care what they did in an U18 tournament.
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Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2021, 09:36:51 PM »

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Trading one of our stars for rookie you can only hope become as good as our stars in 3-5 years only sets this team farther back from winning a title.

No thanks to trading either Jay for any of the top 5 prospects in this draft
these are the same people that would find $100 in the street and instead of considering themselves fortunate to have that $100, run to blow it all on lottery tickets thinking that they'll win so much more.



 Wrong Slam. You can see the effect on winning that Brown has. He very good. He's not truly special.

 Chet has a chance to be special on both ends. The goal is not to be good, the goal is to win it all and we are not on that path with this current core.

This is exactly what people said about Cade Cunningham last year. “He’s the next Luka, guaranteed superstar, etc. How’s that working out? Certainly doesn’t look like one to me. Holmgren is far from a sure thing, if he was, he would be dominating on both ends and putting up more than 13pts, 6rebs, and 3ast per game. Chet’s not even the number one option on his team.

Jaylen on the other hand is a proven NBA all-star who just turned 25 and is still getting better.  Trading him for a player that isn’t dominating at the college level and isn’t a consensus #1 pick would be a terrible idea. He’s not a Lebron, Duncan, Zion, type of prospect.
Wembenyama, however, is ;)

Idk, he doesn’t seem to be tearing it up overseas. Obviously he’s young, but I feel like Luka and Rubio were doing a lot more at the same age.
Guards and a kid who was 7’2 at 16 are incomparable, their developmental arcs are going to be totally different. Did you miss his U18 dominance?

Yeah, not sold on him or Holmgren. Both are huge question marks at the next level. I don’t care what they did in an U18 tournament.

Holmgren will be able to do some things at the NBA level.

Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2021, 09:39:18 PM »

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He reminds me a bit of Jonathon Bender.

Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2021, 11:28:49 PM »

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Everytime we talk about prospects, it's a crapshoot.

Sure someone can always be a Giannis, or a Luka, but these are far from sure fire things.  You could probably find an expert say something about every draft class and how one player shows "transcendent talent."

It's not that these kids won't potentially turn into that, it's that nobody knows and if you think someone knows, show me their history of getting 100% of their guesses right on prospects.

Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2021, 11:28:53 PM »

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https://youtu.be/z-GU71xc1oE

 This video is great if you want to get to know the kid. He stuffed Steph Curry, then crossed him over and dunked it.

 Then Step drains a deep three then compliments the kid on his move.

Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2021, 02:52:44 PM »

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The unique thing about Chet is. I've never seen a kid this skinny who is tough as nails. Really competitive.  Had great coaching.

 Hes a sure thing if he's healthy IMO.

Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2021, 09:14:13 PM »

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Dude needs to add weight & muscles or he won’t make it
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Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2021, 03:07:31 AM »

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Well he's playing Duke tonight so we can compare him and Banchero side by side.
Any odd typos are because I suck at typing on an iPhone :D

Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2021, 03:33:53 PM »

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Well he's playing Duke tonight so we can compare him and Banchero side by side.
Dang, not until 2:30 AEST - I'll be stuck at work by then!
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Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2021, 11:25:50 PM »

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Well he's playing Duke tonight so we can compare him and Banchero side by side.

This is a great game. Paolo is a beast.
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Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2021, 11:45:23 PM »

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Well he's playing Duke tonight so we can compare him and Banchero side by side.

This is a great game. Paolo is a beast.

Paolo definitely going to go No1 if he plays like this the rest of the season
Any odd typos are because I suck at typing on an iPhone :D

Re: Chet Holmgren awareness thread
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2021, 11:54:19 PM »

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Well he's playing Duke tonight so we can compare him and Banchero side by side.

This is a great game. Paolo is a beast.

Paolo definitely going to go No1 if he plays like this the rest of the season

 Agreed. Two top 3 picks makes me happy 😊